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those
Hydra is melee only though, how does it work?
Vulf
It's been a really long time since i've gotten this fed as jungle Warwick.

theowest
Any cool updates I should be aware of in this game since I quit last year?
those
Should read new champions and item changes for season 3... that's about it.
Also jungle changes if you play jungle.
GeeNX
those, kassadin is melee so np about hydra xD I kill people with W and muramana, without W too, so stronk xD
those
Oh should've checked you were referring to Kass
tyrael6192

those wrote:

Oh should've checked you were referring to Kass
ya, i thought you were talking about fiddlesticks :o
Synchrostar

God Nasus is fun
Vulf
They over buffed Nasus. He has been so bad for the past 2 years that I'm okay with it. lol
GeeNX
try iceborn gauntlet instead of infinity edge
Try black cleaver instead of last whisper, or I am not sure about this one, but there are much better items than LW to nasus

always in my oppinion ofc
Synchrostar
Went IE cuz i was so far ahead, don't need slow from gauntlet if i can 3-shot them~
i should try playing more ad, it was my most proficient role in S2 (shifted to mid)
Justykanna
Quick question regarding Galio!
I lack a support character in my pool of champions that I have bought (almost all of mine are bruisers or tanks), but I really like Galio. He feels like he can be a good enough support though (something I lack). Is he viable as a support, aside the part that his basic attack is melee?
Aoriki
I lack everyone in general. I hardly have any AD's, Tank and close range champs. All I have are AP champs, and supports. (...crap, that just sad) Someone should recommend me some champs. ( I do have some AD Champs and maybe one close range)
Justykanna
Melee's almost all of what I have.
Aoriki
I do need more champs. The fact I lack on them is pretty sad. I wanna try melee's but...I'm the type who goes for range then close range.
Justykanna

Aoriki wrote:

I do need more champs. The fact I lack on them is pretty sad. I wanna try melee's but...I'm the type who goes for range then close range
I know a lot of people who don't like melee in most games that include combat so you are no exception, based on what I've seen through the years. =P
If you wanna try melee, I'd recommend building a bruiser / tank since they don't die as easily as someone who goes for straight kills (since ranged don't usually need as much health/armor/magic resistance). So Garen, Singed or Renekton are all pretty basic bruisers.
Aoriki
Well, since Garen is a free champ this week, I may try him out and see my self just failed as a major tank/melee.
tyrael6192
yeah play garen

spin city

i've seen some galio supports and he can be quite good what with the shield and the aoe slow, as well as his ult at 6

but his passive and mr are useless for bot lane, which is quite unfortunate. back in the days you'd go mid with null-magic mantle and pots, have like 70mr and 50 ap at level 1...
Justykanna

tyrael6192 wrote:

've seen some galio supports and he can be quite good what with the shield and the aoe slow, as well as his ult at 6

but his passive and mr are useless for bot lane, which is quite unfortunate. back in the days you'd go mid with null-magic mantle and pots, have like 70mr and 50 ap at level 1...
What, that's insane, lol.
I did read he can go mage but it's... odd.
I might just stick to going top and gearing him full tank.
those
Vulf
I used to play galio support often. He is very mana hungry and has a long CD on his only support ability. You'd be better off playing janna or taric for the same effect.

Galio top lane is kinda bad now with what is very popular in that lane. His mid is decent, but definitely lacking.
WishfulFiction

Vulf wrote:

I used to play galio support often. He is very mana hungry and has a long CD on his only support ability. You'd be better off playing janna or taric for the same effect.

Galio top lane is kinda bad now with what is very popular in that lane. His mid is decent, but definitely lacking.
because MR items for tanks no longer exist except for runic bulwark
spirit visage is somewhat viable, but it got nerfed

edit:
actually I'm wrong
chalice/abyssal is good
its more because of the focus on AD scaling champs in the current meta that makes galio less viable
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

I used to play galio support often. He is very mana hungry and has a long CD on his only support ability. You'd be better off playing janna or taric for the same effect.

Galio top lane is kinda bad now with what is very popular in that lane. His mid is decent, but definitely lacking.
I am not a fan of Taric or Janna. =P
I don't care what's popular, I more care about if it works.
Do they actually put out champions that are 100% not viable? That'd be dumb.

WishfulFiction wrote:

because MR items for tanks no longer exist except for runic bulwark
spirit visage is somewhat viable, but it got nerfed

edit:
actually I'm wrong
chalice/abyssal is good
its more because of the focus on AD scaling champs in the current meta that makes galio less viable
Yeah, I used the Chalice a few times.
I haven't really found that there are more ADs than APs in the games I've played - it's been pretty even.
Also to note, I play normal, not ranked.

Eh, meta doesn't mean it always happens. If meta happened all the time, there'd be an AP and AD carry, so he'd be useful that way, no?
tyrael6192
his early game damage is scary as hell but come lategame he's basically just a shieldbot for the carry and a flash ult engage man
Vulf
Let me put it this way. Galio needs items to scale into the game which he wouldn't get as a 0 cs support (this is why karma is a bad support). In other words no it won't work most of the time because of heavy mana cost meaning he has to spend 900 extra gold to help his ADC, and he has long CD's on everything but his Q. He needs specific items to get going.

To answer another question. There are some champions in this game that aren't viable hence why some stuff get kit reworks.

Edit: The reason he isn't very good mid/top anymore is because of all the random AD bruiser and casters that got major buffs in season 3 making it hard for him to lane. It's not that he isn't viable he just fell out of favor. The whole point of his kit is to be the counter to all AP, but seeing as AP carries aren't the only thing that goes mid anymore it has dwindled him to a niche pick.
BrokenArrow
Am I the only one who wants this fucking Kayle to get removed from this game immediately
Justykanna
The people that I play with would 'like' everyone to fill any role, but I'm still without a support and AD carry (mostly because I don't like a large number ranged champions).

tyrael6192 wrote:

his early game damage is scary as hell but come lategame he's basically just a shieldbot for the carry and a flash ult engage man
He seemed pretty strong early game, yeah.

Vulf wrote:

Let me put it this way. Galio needs items to scale into the game which he wouldn't get as a 0 cs support (this is why karma is a bad support). In other words no it won't work most of the time because of heavy mana cost meaning he has to spend 900 extra gold to help his ADC, and he has long CD's on everything but his Q. He needs specific items to get going.

To answer another question. There are some champions in this game that aren't viable hence why some stuff get kit reworks.

Edit: The reason he isn't very good mid/top anymore is because of all the random AD bruiser and casters that got major buffs in season 3 making it hard for him to lane. It's not that he isn't viable he just fell out of favor. The whole point of his kit is to be the counter to all AP, but seeing as AP carries aren't the only thing that goes mid anymore it has dwindled him to a niche pick.
What's a kit?
Viable, out of favour, what's the difference?
Disappoint. So I'm still without a champion with a support role then.
At least looking through the champion filter for support anyway.

BrokenArrow wrote:

Am I the only one who wants this fucking Kayle to get removed from this game immediately
What's wrong with Kayle? She's a fantastic champion. =/
tyrael6192
Kit is just the set of abilities (+specific stats) a champion has and the versatility of those abilities.

Just because people don't play something doesn't mean it isn't viable. Jungle fizz in s2 wasn't really in the public sphere at all and not many people did it, but it was scary as hell when done right... this is just an example but like you know what i mean

something can be underplayed but still really strong
Vulf
Kit = skill set.
Viable means they are still playable in the meta. Galio is still a good mid just not as strong as he used to be when double AP was very popular like a year and a half ago (aka fell out of favor) basically there are better options than him now. Nonviable mostly means that their skill set is so odd or outdated they will have a hard time no matter what. Take Sion for example his skill set makes zero sense whatsoever. That's why he is getting a rework. Other examples are karma, heimerdinger, and warwick. inb4 "those said champions are good!" no they aren't thats why riot is reworking them.

You can play galio support, but don't expect it to ever out perform any of the standard supports that can do what he does but way better. Heck i used to play ashe and caitlyn support awhile back lol. If your playing 5's and they don't mind you playing unconventional supports then go for it, but in solo que you'll probably end up getting banned for playing against the meta. I learned this after i got a suspension for playing roam annie like 5 games in a row.
Justykanna

tyrael6192 wrote:

something can be underplayed but still really strong
Yeah, but it takes someone of decent skill to do that. I'm still slightly new to the game so I'm not really aiming for such at the moment.

Vulf wrote:

You can play galio support, but don't expect it to ever out perform any of the standard supports that can do what he does but way better. Heck i used to play ashe and caitlyn support awhile back lol. If your playing 5's and they don't mind you playing unconventional supports then go for it, but in solo que you'll probably end up getting banned for playing against the meta. I learned this after i got a suspension for playing roam annie like 5 games in a row.
I don't have any standard supports that I like yet. Any suggestions?
Like I said, most of my champions I like go top (Darius, Garen, Renekton, Jarvin IV, Irelia, Xin Zhao, Gangplank, Wukong, Tryndamere).
What the crap? You can get a suspension for that? That's... dumb. If a person can make it work, who cares?
Vulf
If you like playing bruiser type champions you might like Leona, Blitzcrank, Thresh, Nunu, or Alistar all of those are very good supports. Generally anything that has hard CC (non ults preferably), sustain, a steroid and doesn't need items to scale as the game progresses usually makes a decent 0 cs support.

There are also the unconventional (these are champions that can support, but they aren't very strong at that role) supports like galio, shen, mundo, gangplank, malphite etc.. If you ever decide to go into solo queue ranked i would advise not playing these cause people will complain.

Well according to riot you cannot get banned for playing against the meta, but you can get banned for failing to communicate with your team. This is what riots support told me when i asked about my ban last year lol. If your team is fine with you playing against the meta then it's okay, but if pre game chat explodes about you playing something crazy like jungle Vlad then the odds are you will eventually get banned after a few reports. lol
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

If you like playing bruiser type champions you might like Leona, Blitzcrank, Thresh, Nunu, or Alistar all of those are very good supports. Generally anything that has hard CC (non ults preferably), sustain, a steroid and doesn't need items to scale as the game progresses usually makes a decent 0 cs support. There are also the unconventional (these are champions that can support, but they aren't very strong at that role) supports like galio, shen, mundo, gangplank, malphite etc.. If you ever decide to go into solo queue ranked i would advise not playing these cause people will complain.

Well according to riot you cannot get banned for playing against the meta, but you can get banned for failing to communicate with your team. This is what riots support told me when i asked about my ban last year lol. If your team is fine with you playing against the meta then it's okay, but if pre game chat explodes about you playing something crazy like jungle Vlad then the odds are you will eventually get banned after a few reports. lol
Was not a fan of Leona, Blitzcrank or Thresh.
Nunu might be worth a try, but I never knew he was a full support.
Alistar's on my list of 'wanting to try'.

Eh, Shen and Mundo work more top based on what I've seen.
My team has actually banned me from using Gangplank. Apparently he doesn't "bring enough".
Malphite I own and actually like him top. I dunno how I'd make him support though, lol.

Failing to communicate, huh? I'm 100% terrible at paying attention to the chat panel, simply because the team I usually play with uses vent so I don't usually need it.
Maybe they lied to you... lol.
It's odd, yeah. But like I said, if someone can make something work, who cares? I've never seen Renekton go jungle, but I do just fine with him, farming wise.

It's not that I love bruiser, it's that I like melee. And my team says melee should always get extra health / survivability over ranged. So then it just kinda turns into a bruiser...
Kanye West
Yeah all this discussion about what's "viable" is bullshit

Every hero is viable with some role. Situational maybe, but still viable. Galio mid/top is fine, yeah he has weaknesses but so does every single other hero. There are players who have carried to high elo with every champion ever made, even the ones that we call "bad", including warwick, karma, poppy, heimer etc. So basically anything is viable situationally in some role. Obviously don't pick a jungler that is terrible at clearing jungle and/or ganking, don't pick a support that can't do shit with 0 cs, don't counterpick yourself etc.
Vulf
Exactly stuff like shen and mundo work much better in other places, but they could go bot lane as a support. They just won't be as good as actual supports most of the time.

Well you shouldn't have to worry about stuff like that in premades, but in solo queue it's definitely reportable. lol
Kanye West

Vulf wrote:

Exactly stuff like shen and mundo work much better in other places, but they could go bot lane as a support. They just won't be as good as actual supports most of the time.

Well you shouldn't have to worry about stuff like that in premades, but in solo queue it's definitely reportable. lol
Not really, double bruiser bot lanes work fine if you know how to play them. You just focus on killing/zoning more than farming/protecting AD. If done correctly, you can deny the enemy AD hard and pick up some kills on the way
Vulf

Kanye West wrote:

Obviously don't pick a jungler that is terrible at clearing jungle and/or ganking
You just described Warwick. LOL


and those are called kill lanes which are a lot different than the standard AD/support. Even still some AD/Support combos can shut that lane down.
Kanye West
play him toplane .

and sure, if they pick janna/ez/corki/graves then it just becomes a skill matchup and you should really never pick double bruiser if they pick janna first anyways
Vulf
Warwick top is very niche and even that has faded in season 3. He isn't getting a kit rework cause riot feels like it. It's because he is outdated and literally no reason to pick him over something like Vi.
tyrael6192
Vi is a broken ass bitch

alSO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY PAGE HEADER; LOOK AT THIS, LITERALLY DYING FROM LAUGHTER

Kanye West
mid and feed? that takes some skill .
YoukaiZone

Vulf wrote:

Warwick top is very niche and even that has faded in season 3. He isn't getting a kit rework cause riot feels like it. It's because he is outdated and literally no reason to pick him over something like Vi.
To be honest, Vi is just extremely strong right now, she's going to get toned down soon, but even then she'll still be picked for her ult. Vi for Viable I guess.
Vulf
I know she is. Also they just nerfed AP trynd lol.

What i was referring to is that Vi can do what warwick does but a lot better. Similar to how Skarner is ww v2.

It's called powercreep and it's starting to get stupid with this game.
GeeNX
AP TRYN IS NERFED? OH FUCK YOU RIOT

Vi is so op.... even on silver/gold is starting to get banned so much
ReverseLight
ouranhshc
Wow
noneed_old
if you'd be less of a dick reverselight, you'd have made challenger hundreds of games earlier.
whatever, do know that you are pretty toxic and a lot of times reported - sakujoyou
ouranhshc
Oh and if anyone wants to add me, my name on NA is

ouranhshc osu
Vulf

GeeNX wrote:

AP TRYN IS NERFED? OH FUCK YOU RIOT

Vi is so op.... even on silver/gold is starting to get banned so much
I was watching quality player play AP trynd yesterday. It's pretty broken. 500 heal on a 5 second CD and a spin on an even lower CD. You don't even need to win lane to play that since it has the best push and back door capabilities out of all the champions in the game right now. You basically just split push to win.
Aoriki
That crystal line. Holy crap I'll never see one in my life.
noneed_old
shit which happens when I get krepo to support me on broken champ:
tyrael6192
support mf no sightstone

i laughed a bit too hard that's genius
noneed_old

tyrael6192 wrote:

support mf no sightstone

i laughed a bit too hard that's genius
if you were watching the stream, youd see him ks'ing some early kills, snowballing us so much ahead that he successfully 1v2'd them.
I suggested jokingly to buy support stuff, lol
Fabi
Stefan


First try we made.
ReverseLight

noneed wrote:

if you'd be less of a dick reverselight, you'd have made challenger hundreds of games earlier.
whatever, do know that you are pretty toxic and a lot of times reported - sakujoyou
i like be toxic ;)
Vulf

noneed wrote:

if you'd be less of a dick reverselight, you'd have made challenger hundreds of games earlier.
whatever, do know that you are pretty toxic and a lot of times reported - sakujoyou
If he is getting reported then he will get banned/permabanned eventually. Then we can laugh at the QQ post on the LoL forums.
noneed_old
looking at his resetted honor you can already tell that we was recently warned/banned
Stefan
^LOL
Aoriki
That speed....that speed.
Vulf
Just started ranked up again. So tired of being called a troll for playing Warwick. Probably going to get banned again for playing him. lol
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

Just started ranked up again. So tired of being called a troll for playing Warwick. Probably going to get banned again for playing him. lol
Judge the player, not the Champion imo.
zLaceration

Justykanna wrote:

tyrael6192 wrote:

something can be underplayed but still really strong
Yeah, but it takes someone of decent skill to do that. I'm still slightly new to the game so I'm not really aiming for such at the moment.

Vulf wrote:

You can play galio support, but don't expect it to ever out perform any of the standard supports that can do what he does but way better. Heck i used to play ashe and caitlyn support awhile back lol. If your playing 5's and they don't mind you playing unconventional supports then go for it, but in solo que you'll probably end up getting banned for playing against the meta. I learned this after i got a suspension for playing roam annie like 5 games in a row.
I don't have any standard supports that I like yet. Any suggestions?
Like I said, most of my champions I like go top (Darius, Garen, Renekton, Jarvin IV, Irelia, Xin Zhao, Gangplank, Wukong, Tryndamere).
What the crap? You can get a suspension for that? That's... dumb. If a person can make it work, who cares?
Lulu just outshines Galio in so many ways for supporting. Their skillsets accomplish pretty much the same thing in lane too.
Justykanna

zLaceration wrote:

Lulu just outshines Galio in so many ways for supporting. Their skillsets accomplish pretty much the same thing in lane too.
However, I dislike ranged characters. =P
Galio's one of few ranged (if you can call him that) that I even come close to liking.
Vulf

Justykanna wrote:

Vulf wrote:

Just started ranked up again. So tired of being called a troll for playing Warwick. Probably going to get banned again for playing him. lol
Judge the player, not the Champion imo.
Doesn't matter. If you get reported enough you will get banned for this stuff. I see it often in the tribunal.

Examples of the crap i have to go through in champ select in solo queue for trying to play my favorite champion. Is this what the pre eve rework and karma players had/have to deal with?

Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

Doesn't matter. If you get reported enough you will get banned for this stuff. I see it often in the tribunal.

Examples of the crap i have to go through in champ select in solo queue for trying to play my favorite champion. Is this what the pre eve rework and karma players had/have to deal with?
That's so dumb...
Yeah, if it's your favourite champion, and you play well enough, you should be fine. =/
Why does Riot listen to people that report you for simply selecting a champion...
Vulf
You can't have a good score every game is the thing.

Tribunal is judged by the players not riot. Riot only issues permabans.
Glass


Played with this magewick in one of my provisional game a few days ago, it was hilarious how hard he dumped on his lane. What league are you in? I'm only in Silver 1 and people aren't nearly that picky. The only time I consider dodging a certain pick is when somebody picks a champ with high learning curve while they have barely any games played with that champ. If somebody picks Syndra or Orianna while they've played 3 games with that champ in all seasons combined, AND has an average KDA of 1/8/2, I'm gonna avoid that free loss.
Vulf
I've had complaints about this since the end of season 2 when i started ranked. People do this with all underpowered champions not just warwick.

I play mid warwick a lot cause he does well against AD casters like talon, pantheon, and lee sin.

I don't do bad with him unless all my lanes lose before I even start to do red buff. Which is what happened in one game today along with a solo bot alistar cause our ezreal never connected lol. I got blamed for the loss anyways.

Hopefully Riot buffs him properly this time so he doesn't get nerfed a month later like last year.

TL;DR People don't know how to play with a jungle warwick on their team.
Justykanna
Yeah, but just because players judge for Tribunal doesn't make it right.
As I've pointed out a little while ago, the League community isn't the brightest.

I still disagree that people shouldn't say something along the lines of "We have Warwick, we're gonna lose" (and going in with a negative attitude's not gonna help either). Yeah, you got blamed for the loss? I'd more lean at the stupidity of your team.

What's TLDR suppose to mean?
Vulf
TL;DR = Too Long; Didn't Read.
My post here have been long and obnoxious lately so i thought i would start adding that cause i'm sure a lot people don't want to read a lot of that mess. lol

anyways...
It used to be a lot worse when people spammed punish for IP, but they removed that awhile back.

In those situations all you really have to do is either dodge, deal with it and report them at the end of the game. Either way it makes the game unenjoyable.
Justykanna
Lol, it wasn't too long.

Eh, I like reading this thread, since I'm still technically a newbie.

Punish for IP... That's pretty awful too!
I'd imagine. I wouldn't wanna shelf my favourite champion either (though mind you, he's likely not my best one).
Vulf
It's very frustrating for those players yes. The good thing is that riot has acknowledged this issue and wants to bring those champions up to par with the newer ones. Though it might take awhile cause in some cases they would have to be redesigned both visually and a skill set rework. Katarina for example.
Skywards_old
I didn't know so much people hated ww lol
I always thought him fine, giving the whole team like mini nunu buff without the movement speed. The suppress which can be goddam annoying for ganks
Altho i do think he could maybe have more damage on his passive or his ulti or maybe renew his e a bit.
I don't think there a reason to hate ww that much >.>
GeeNX


Obviously rankeds are for lose, I started that 5/0 with aka
JesusYamato
vi is my waifu
GeeNX
she's a beast, you must be happy ^^
tyrael6192
i can guess who the man in the relationship is
Vulf

Skywards wrote:

I didn't know so much people hated ww lol
I always thought him fine, giving the whole team like mini nunu buff without the movement speed. The suppress which can be goddam annoying for ganks
Altho i do think he could maybe have more damage on his passive or his ulti or maybe renew his e a bit.
I don't think there a reason to hate ww that much >.>
He is getting a skill set rework cause he is trash in the league of gap closers and CC.
Synchrostar
Finally bought Sejuani, god i love her ult. She's so much fun to play~
MillonzKub
want to buy so many champion T^T
Aoriki
^ You and I both.
Kanye West

MillonzKub wrote:

want to buy so many champion T^T
I don't

Karthus + lee sin is all I need <3
Hakeru
guise , someone help me ..
match ends, LoL client closes, and then the PvP.net client gets to the "waiting for stats" part and I get the message that Air crashed..

what happened? @_@; my friend told me that the issue is a conflict between lol recorder and league , uh
GeeNX
I just dont have 5 champs, though I have 14k money
Vulf

Glass wrote:

What league are you in?
I'm currently in silver 4. My placement games were brutal.

On the bright side i'm getting over 50 Lp per win and only losing about 5-6 lp per loss lol. Proof enough i don't belong that low? Games at this tier are pretty hilarious as a jungler.
Aoriki


Mmm....I love Steel Legion Lux =w=;
GeeNX
Steel Legion Lux <3

I don't recommend you abyssal, first because they didnt have that much ap, just annie, but with that build she was far from burst you, it is okay vs heavy ap damages, but lux is 1combo girl, I recommend void staff, but is okay too, I am just a noob player, your build is totally right too, anyways try it. I am loving atm morello on Lux
Aoriki
I went for Abyssal last just cause she did hurt just a bit and I wanted some MR (So I got that) I was going Void if she didn't hurt to much.
Morello for CD~ <3 Lazer'z to the face.
Vulf
It's annie though? Your lux your range is ridiculous compared to hers. If you needed MR you should have just bought an athenes. Lux can only use half of abyssal.
those
I recall that patch that decreased the Aura range of Abyssal Scepter... it lost so much popularity even though it grants so much MR.
GeeNX
Yeah annie's range is lower, but laning vs her, she can drop tibbers when you less expect, and with her combo can totally burst a lux, and if you're not close enough, just flashes + tibbers, though lux has an advantage compared with other midlaners, her W can save you from ignites, pretty nice.

Anyways was watching LCS, lol Gambit played aaawesome and they totally destroyed EG, gg Gambit
Justykanna
Is jungling not popular or something?
Out of my last ten normal games, I've had to jungle seven of them... -_-
JesusYamato
your normal elo/mmr is low
Vulf
People that jungled often in season 1. and 2 stopped for awhile with the season 3 changes (this happened with the new jungle in season 2 as well). Season 2 jungle was bad, but season 3 is much worse.

I main the jungle role and from what i see is that riot wanted to bring back season 1 jungle, but with season 2 exp and gold rewards which is bad. You are either ahead or your not which makes jungling kinda meh to play.

I really miss the season 1 jungle. :(
Justykanna

Ouariasse wrote:

your normal elo/mmr is low
What does that have to do with anything?

Vulf wrote:

People that jungled often in season 1. and 2 stopped for awhile with the season 3 changes (this happened with the new jungle in season 2 as well). Season 2 jungle was bad, but season 3 is much worse.

I main the jungle role and from what i see is that riot wanted to bring back season 1 jungle, but with season 2 exp and gold rewards which is bad. You are either ahead or your not which makes jungling kinda meh to play.

I really miss the season 1 jungle. :(
After a while, I get sick of having to do it over and over again. However, at the same time, I don't like having two top.
I've been able to keep up and considering I'm not great at it, it can't be all that bad.
Vulf
If you weren't around for season 1 jungle you probably won't understand a word my last post meant. lol

Season 1 jungle was basically equivalent to a solo lane in terms of farm and exp if not slightly better depending on what jungler you were playing. This made it optional to either farm or gank to a certain point. Riot didn't like this so they severely nerfed it and by severe i mean gutted with season 2 changes something to do with junglers getting gold and levels for free, and they also wanted more variety of junglers. Season 2 was all about support tanky junglers (maokai amumu) while season 3 is all about early game ganking dominate junglers (xin, j4). It's kinda boring if you ask me. It's not that it's bad as much as the role is kinda boring compared to the last 2 seasons.

After watching some of the LCS i feel this game is going to devolve into which ever team can split push the most. This game really needs some backdoor protection like dota 2 has.

Edit: I should also mention that in season 1 it was all about counter jungling, meaning you got rewarded a lot for stealing the small camps a whole hell of a lot more than you do now. The counter jungling meta was very fun as a jungler.
armorbreak
People who play league of legend should join the chat group. for those of you guys don't know how go to the bottom right and it will show u tabs and click on the center one that says "view your chat rooms control panel" then press the join or create a chat room and type "osu!" without quotation of course.
Keksi
Just got back to LoL on EU WEST

if anyone wanna help me

i give you my ID
GeeNX
We can play if you want Keksi
Laharl
There you go!
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