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How long did it take you to pass Insane songs?

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Sup A Noob
555 posts
Joined November 2009
Sup A Noob
Actually Enchance Pointer Precision is less of acceleration and more of prediction, just like that additional option in osu!'s mouse sensitivity.

Unless coupled with a driver of its own, usually regular mice have mouse acceleration whether you like it or not. I played with mouse acceleration for a few months before switching it off, and that was when I was getting rather good with insanes. It took a while to get used to, but in the end I was able to do larger, more controlled jumps than before.

On topic: I was barely passing them in my first month, starting going apeshit on the second, and finally cleared them no problem in the third. Of course the standard during those times were drastically different from the standards today.
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r

Sup A Noob wrote:

Actually Enchance Pointer Precision is less of acceleration and more of prediction, just like that additional option in osu!'s mouse sensitivity.
Osu!'s mouse sensitivity option is a correction of the formula used to calculate mouse movement. It simply calculates the movement more accurately where the old formula apparently rounded some values, as stated by Peppy. They are not related in any way.
Icyteru
535 posts
Joined August 2011
Icyteru
yea, i guess one of the reasons I use mouse acceleration is cause I have the most basic optical mouse.

but still, i can do insane jumps fine with acceleration, like 7x7x7 jumps or airman(to an extent)

edit:
though if you think about it theoretically, mouse acceleration wouldn't be much different from non-mouse acceleration, since they both require different movements.

if the acceleration is constant, then just by getting used to it, your muscle memory will still work, cause it's the same movements every time
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r

[AirCoN] wrote:

yea, i guess one of the reasons I use mouse acceleration is cause I have the most basic optical mouse.

but still, i can do insane jumps fine with acceleration, like 7x7x7 jumps or airman(to an extent)

edit:
though if you think about it theoretically, mouse acceleration wouldn't be much different from non-mouse acceleration, since they both require different movements.

if the acceleration is constant, then just by getting used to it, your muscle memory will still work, cause it's the same movements every time
That's just the thing. The acceleration with EPP is not constant. The acceleration changes with the speed that you move your hand. If you move your hand faster, then the cursor goes further, and vice versa. This is hell for your muscles. They have to learn not only how far they have to move, but also how fast they have to move. Imagine if you had a stick, and you were pointing at places on a blackboard. It's not hard to learn how far to move your arm to get the stick to hit one sport or another. Now imagine that that stick were made of extremely elastic rubber... It would bounce around further when you moved your arm quickly, and when you moved slowly it'd bounce closer. It'd be very hard to control it well enough to get it to hit exactly the point that you want to hit. This is why pointing devices are never elastic. XD

If you mean 1/11 acceleration, then that's constant except for on uneven settings, or so I understand it. Basically, if you set it to 7, then you get times where the software has to round off a .5 result, which results in your movement jumping a pixel. If you set it to 8, then I think it simply drops a whole pixel on every movement. This obviously means that you can't hit certain pixels, because they get dropped, but it is a uniform drop, and probably won't hurt critically like EPP does.
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sCam
215 posts
Joined December 2011
sCam
From my experience, when I began Osu using my mouse, I barely could've passed insanes with Mouse acceleration on. Once my friend told me to take it off, I started doing insanes like they were Hards ._.

Though, that was because I used a cheap normal mouse that came with my pc. When I told my friend who has a pro gaming mouse to check it off. He said it dosen't help, and fucks him up or something like that. So I think Mouse acceleration only works for people with normal mouses.

edit; oh and btw, I havent used my mouse in 6 months, but when i play with it to have fun..I can also do Lunatic AR9 maps with a few misses...so I'm just saying..you need to get a bunch or some experience before you start passing insane songs. It really dosen't matter what device you use, just how much time you spend with it, and the experience you gain from playing the game.
Sup A Noob
555 posts
Joined November 2009
Sup A Noob
I like how time taken to pass Insanes can get completely derailed into something like mouse. The bottomline for mouse users is, turn off whatever pointer prediction your system has for the mouse (not acceleration).

Now, back to topic.

I've answered my part, so here's a tip. If you want to pass Insanes in the shortest amount of time possible, spent as much time possible on as many harder-than-your-current-skill-level maps as possible while taking that time to experiment on different playstyles and gaming philosophies. Once you get that drilled and secured in your head you should be in good stead to pass Insanes just for the fun of it.
Sprobius
11 posts
Joined March 2012
Sprobius
That's how we do it nowadays. :)
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
it usually takes me about 2-3 minutes to pass an insane song
RaneFire
1,181 posts
Joined May 2011
RaneFire
4 months to pass. Another 4 months to 95%+ acc some of the easier ones.

G0r wrote:

Some pros in some older FPS games used to occassionally use third party drivers to add very minor acceleration to their mouse movements, but it was only a fraction of the acceleration added by EPP.
Pro quake players still use minor acceleration values today, but you can't believe anyone's settings at face value until you know what hacks they've made to their drivers. Also nearly all mouse sensors cause +/- accel to some degree, with the exception being a few tried and tested mice. And 'back in the day' there were no 100% reliable sensors, so players added a comfortable level of accel to counteract it, and if mousepad friction bothered them slightly.
Preference, preference, preference.

Vulf wrote:

Simply un-checking the "Enhance Pointer Precision" box in your mouse settings does not completely remove mouse acceleration. If you want exactly a 1-to-1 mouse to pointer response your going to have to edit a registry in most cases.
Windows 7 is the first in the Windows line to have fixed this issue. You need only run the registry fix if you play ut99 or cs 1.6, etc.
i.e. Old games that call on the old name for the function that was replaced with EPP since Windows XP.

G0r wrote:

Osu!'s mouse sensitivity option is a correction of the formula used to calculate mouse movement. It simply calculates the movement more accurately where the old formula apparently rounded some values, as stated by Peppy. They are not related in any way.
Yes, osu!'s settings simply allows for decimal points on the cursor's position, making the use of values other than 1.0x more accurate.
-Soba-
374 posts
Joined January 2011
-Soba-
I'm not sure since I still fail them
smoogipoo
osu!dev
514 posts
Joined August 2011
smoogipoo
When I started osu!, I played a small amount of easy maps before moving to hard maps. I remember the last hard map I ever played was Nehanshika. After that I swapped to tablet + keyboard and my accuracy started going down, but eventually I became better and reached my current (93.39%) accuracy. I guess if I were to estimate, it would have taken me about 1.5-2 months before I started insanes. I mostly stick to insanes which I can pass in an effort to raise my PP though, and I'm currently playing barely passable songs (at least for me), so my PP is dropping fast.
threenash
1,043 posts
Joined May 2010
threenash
got my first S on Insane the day I got my tablet... lol
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r
But did you play like Cookiezi?
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik
Bought a tablet, now I play like Cookiezi. With a mouse.
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Valentiino
1,945 posts
Joined June 2011
Valentiino
I rarely aim for passes :I

I mostly aim for FC's which take me around 1-*** amount of retries to achieve (Insanes & stuff on DT)

Current avarage for me is 41 retries
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r
If it's not FC, then it's not good enough. *hits retry*
Valentiino
1,945 posts
Joined June 2011
Valentiino
I really should try to get rid of that mentality. It's quite hard since I'm a bit of a obsessive perfectionist :x
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
Look at it the other way
If you can FC, then it's too easy for you
Valentiino
1,945 posts
Joined June 2011
Valentiino
No. Most of the time I have to retry so many times, coz I'm not easily able to FC that song with a decent accuracy.

And getting accurate results is quite important for me.

Besides, most of the map that yields a non-pass try for me are maps with ridicilous bpm & long streams. I suck at those, therefore I mostly aim for FC's on every map
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
if you can FC something means nothing, if you cant FC it, no matter how much you try its too hard, if you can fc it with less than 9x% acc its too hard
if you can fc it with 98+ acc its good.
ofcourse this is purely subjective, and there is no definition of when a map is too hard or too easy for you, which everybody knows ofcourse.
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r

silmarilen wrote:

if you can FC something means nothing, if you cant FC it, no matter how much you try its too hard, if you can fc it with less than 9x% acc its too hard
if you can fc it with 98+ acc its good.
ofcourse this is purely subjective, and there is no definition of when a map is too hard or too easy for you, which everybody knows ofcourse.
I use this exact scale.
AWESOME-SAMA
22 posts
Joined July 2011
AWESOME-SAMA
I don't even bother playing insane man.
I only get like, the first 10 notes or so.
aggums
84 posts
Joined September 2008
aggums
I still can't pass most of them, but hey, I'm working on it.
Mints
194 posts
Joined October 2012
Mints
I think I started passing insane after a month of playing, and fcing it half a month later. Guess I'm average?
Bweh
486 posts
Joined September 2012
Bweh
Within the week. Though it was much of an easy Insane, so not much pride in that.
Starry-
osu! Alumni
1,074 posts
Joined December 2012
Starry-
Around 2 weeks with the tablet I started to pass insanes (before I was getting nowhere using mouse only a week before), and I started to FC (easy) insanes around 2 weeks after that.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
edit: just realized I posted in the wrong topic
i shouldn't post when i'm tired
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VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
This is Halloween [Insane] Second day
Banned Forever [Lesjuh] 2 months
Talent Shredder [Lesjuh] 5 months
He Has No Mittens [Furry] 6 months
Almost
2,154 posts
Joined May 2012
Almost

GoldenWolf wrote:

how you guys can adapt so quickly
Took me an entire month to get used to tablet
Took me 2 hours before I could play tablet better than mouse and I thought being left handed would make things harder :) .

OT: My first "insane" took me about a month seeing as I played little during the first few months I started.
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

BRBP wrote:

This is Halloween [Insane] Second day
Banned Forever [Lesjuh] 2 months
Talent Shredder [Lesjuh] 5 months
He Has No Mittens [Furry] 6 months
you could pass banned forever [lesjuh] after 2 months? holy shit that took me more than 2 years
ethox
osu! Alumni
357 posts
Joined August 2010
ethox

silmarilen wrote:

you could pass banned forever [lesjuh] after 2 months? holy shit that took me more than 2 years
Finnish masterrace, good mate.

I could pass it mouse only in the first 6 months iirc, first B replays are in 9 months.

edit oh it was lesjuh I meant BD's diff, didn't play lesjuh's at all :p
Van246
82 posts
Joined December 2011
Van246
pretty much right after I got used to my tablet :3
dat magic
[Luanny]
8,248 posts
Joined April 2011
[Luanny]
after 2 months playing standard "seriously"
and it was 1 year after I joined this game
-Dreamy-_old
-Dreamy-_old
It took me like half a month to get to the songs at Insane difficulties they still seem pretty hard for me though :p
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
A long time. I don't think I could pass most of them even at 10k play count.
heart_old_1
11 posts
Joined July 2012
heart_old_1
It depends on the BPM of the song for me. I didn't start passing 200+ BPM songs on Insane until last week ... Which was 3 months after I got back into osu. Just keep playing songs that are too hard for you but not impossible and you will get there :3
[ Talon ]
15 posts
Joined November 2012
[ Talon ]
It took me a week,and you have to change your mouse speed and adjust to those speeds
LampaN
6 posts
Joined July 2012
LampaN
You iz doin' fine.
No idea how long it took me. Maybe, 3-4months ago was when I started getting past em?
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

silmarilen wrote:

BRBP wrote:

This is Halloween [Insane] Second day
Banned Forever [Lesjuh] 2 months
Talent Shredder [Lesjuh] 5 months
He Has No Mittens [Furry] 6 months
you could pass banned forever [lesjuh] after 2 months? holy shit that took me more than 2 years
i can't even pass it
-Soba-
374 posts
Joined January 2011
-Soba-
about a year



I still can't play the hard ones
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