Aqo wrote:

Unkind wrote:

The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse.

Nonsense. Tablet causes wrist pain and mouse doesn't. With tablet you have to hold the pen steady over every circle while mouse just sits there once you're done with your jump. Mouse is way more laid back.

The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.

Oh my, my wrist wants a word with you Aqo.

Even playing with a keyboard for fun still tires my wrist, maybe I'm just a wimp with no stamina then.

thelewa wrote:

The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.

But it's also a lot easier to adjust/aim. At least for me, if I use mouse, and if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

But then again, that was only helpful a long time ago, when I sucked at playing everything. Nowadays, I don't even look at my cursor since I don't really have time to, and my aim is pretty decent

winber1 wrote:

thelewa wrote:

The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.

But it's also a lot easier to adjust/aim. At least for me, if I use mouse, and if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

But then again, that was only helpful a long time ago, when I sucked at playing everything. Nowadays, I don't even look at my cursor since I don't really have time to, and my aim is pretty decent

Transparent cursor ftw

I don't know man, I still don't know how to aim with a tablet

shit's impossible

winber1 wrote:

if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

lower your dpi and you'll be less prone to overshooting/undershooting jumps. Also looking at your own cursor does help.

I think I typically look at what I am aiming at next, not my cursor. I don't think I see any advantage to doing it the other way. Shouldn't your muscles be worried about your cursor and your eyes worried about your target?

Try playing circle size 6 without looking at your cursor good luck.

who cares about circle size 6? how many maps are there that have that?

silmarilen wrote:

who cares about circle size 6? how many maps are there that have that?

every single small circle map with HR...

so.. about.. 0.01% of all maps?

Aqo wrote:

winber1 wrote:

if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

lower your dpi and you'll be less prone to overshooting/undershooting jumps. Also looking at your own cursor does help.

If you didn't read, this was about me using a mouse, not a tablet.

But I only look at my cursor for specific patterns that I know I always fail. So, yes it does help, but it becomes really unreasonable to do it through the map, at least on harder songs, and with like 220+ BPM

Aqo wrote:

Try playing circle size 6 without looking at your cursor good luck.

You don't need to look... I don't look when playing with small circles like that unless the map is really slow and the notes are decently close together. But most maps with that CS are usually not that hard.

winber1 wrote:

If you didn't read, this was about me using a mouse, not a tablet.

"dpi" is mouse-only afaik. tablets use area. re-read?

meant for maps like this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/46196 for example
btw on this map http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44519 that you made, you don't have to trace your cursor sometimes? (or how about Jenny's diff... that jump in the middle haha)

So I just do maps i cant handle on no fail and I'll eventually get better?
btw im stuck on normals

Gluegun wrote:

So I just do maps i cant handle on no fail and I'll eventually get better?
btw im stuck on normals

No. If you're "stuck" on normals, play easy Hards, then play hard Hards, then play easy Insanes, etc etc. At least that's what I did, and I eventually got to insanes (but took a long time as I was stuck on hards)

Kanye West wrote:

No. If you're "stuck" on normals, play easy Hards, then play hard Hards, then play easy Insanes, etc etc. At least that's what I did, and I eventually got to insanes (but took a long time as I was stuck on hards)

I did the same, step by step.

Gluegun wrote:

So I just do maps i cant handle on no fail and I'll eventually get better?
btw im stuck on normals

Best thing to do. If you really wanna imrpove fast. Just play, play till your hands hurts, fingers get blisters. Don't worry about score/grades/ranks...eventually after a week or two..You'll see the improvement.

Dosen't take long to start doing easy insanes, after a week or two of grinding hard maps. I jumped from Hards to Easy insanes within a week. I got bored of Hards pretty fast cause I never could S them, so instead I stopped playing hards, and started trying to pass insane maps, and after I can Full combo easy insanes with like 87% accuracy, I started fc'ing Hards with at least 97% accuracy, and boy did Hards become fun after that time. They were my favorite difficulties around that time. Now Since I started grinding pro insanes, I can now S the easy insanes with 98% ACC(though I took a week and grinded hard rock. Really helps with accuracy) That's a good shortcut right there. but if you're going to do that. Strap on No Fail.

Now I've reached the point when I'm always missing like 1-5 notes on most pro insanes, and I can't fc them in 3 tries yet. Some I can do after like hours of warmup, but some i just get random stupid misses, or lame slider breaks. but it took me 9 months to get where I am at.

Osu is a journey, just do what you can, but don't stick to that, you'll never get better. It's good to challenge yourself. Also, the only mod I suggest you to use right now is Hardrock, don't worry about mods till you get really good, or you'll just end up being another player who just abuses the Hidden mod. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that(play the game how you want as long as you have fun) but don't be a one trick pony, that's lame.

Anyway, tl;dr gl and have fun.

I only look at hit circles, I never look at my cursor lol.

You have to assume you are doing the right movements if you don't do that you can't be good. Worrying too much about looking at your own cursor will make your map reading skills bad, it's all about muscle memory.

Wishy22 wrote:

I only look at hit circles, I never look at my cursor lol.

You have to assume you are doing the right movements if you don't do that you can't be good. Worrying too much about looking at your own cursor will make your map reading skills bad, it's all about muscle memory.

This is another case of "I do it this way and my way is the right way so everyone do it exactly like me"

If you focus on your cursor then you can't really focus on fast reading the map, meaning yeah you'll suck at some stuff, you will always somewhat look at your cursor, but you won't FOCUS on it, you will FOCUS on reading the map so you can actually do it. And if you don't do that, well then good luck trying to read AR 10/11 or complicated patterns on a first try.

Some methods are better than other ones, like it or not, you can look at how the best players play and you'll be surprised of how they do pretty much the same things on the same stuff. You can find a method that "suits you", but truth is playing with 1mm x 1mm area, focusing on your cursor w/o paying attention to each upcoming hit and using default skin will definitely limit your capacities.

wishy didn't understand it.

Neither did you. You can play using any technique you feel comfortable with, which does not mean that's the best for you at all, I used to feel comfortable by alternating, tried single tapping and got a lot better in 2 days, same thing when I changed my pen grip I got better at patterns in a few days just because of that. And got many friends who tried changing styles/grips/etc and got better by doing that since even when they were comfortable, their playing method was just bad (I think every good player from my country went through that lol).

well I think I'm good enough even though I focus on my cursor

You told me you can't read AR 10 and I got you whining about how some patterns/jumps where super impossible to do... you are kind of proving my point. :p

and still, by the end of the day, everybody plays the way they want to play.

Wishy22 wrote:

You told me you can't read AR 10 and I got you whining about how some patterns/jumps where super impossible to do... you are kind of proving my point. :p

oh jumps are easy to do now

ar10 being impossible has to do with me being naturally slow

thelewa wrote:

ar10 being impossible has to do with me being naturally slow

or so you believe

i agree with wishy, im more likely to hit full screen fast jumps by just relying on muscle memory and not watching the cursor

nah man I'm the kind of person who sees something and reacts to it 30s later

if someone punched me in the face I would realize that I got punched in the face 6 hours later

gr8

Wishy22 wrote:

I changed my pen grip I got better at patterns in a few days just because of that.

What kind of grip change was it? I'm still changing my active area and pen grip almost everytime I play, but can't find the right ones, everytime there's something that feels uncomfortable T.T

thelewa wrote:

nah man I'm the kind of person who sees something and reacts to it 30s later

if someone punched me in the face I would realize that I got punched in the face 6 hours later

Totally.

I agree with Wishy here, though. Muscle memory is a major part of my mouse playing and I never look directly at my cursor, even though I pay attention to it all the time to confirm my positioning is right.

Speaking of not looking at your cursor, playing with an invisible cursor is fun, yeah.
Replay for epeen. (not that you can see that my cursor is invisible, lol)

Oh, and sometimes it helps looking at the cursor, sometimes it helps looking at the next note. It kinda depends on the map =3=

Even if some method is better. How to prove it?

There is no way one can ever know if there is a superior playstyle or if there isn't.
Always watching the exact next note to press for my part. (Also trying to see squares and other complicated patterns as set of lines)

I actually don't look at neither my cursor nor notes, but approach circles. Explains why I'm so bad at reading, hidden and certain patterns. D:
I don't actually focus on the approach circles either, just use them as a reference on where to go, everything else is mostly peripheral vision.

But it's just the way I play so it's not that easy to change it. I like it too, because it's not as stressful.

Ami Furi Koneko wrote:

Wishy22 wrote:

I changed my pen grip I got better at patterns in a few days just because of that.

What kind of grip change was it? I'm still changing my active area and pen grip almost everytime I play, but can't find the right ones, everytime there's something that feels uncomfortable T.T

When I changed my area like 3 days ago, I also changed the way I hold my pen. I went from holding it all the way at the top. my thumb was around the "AM" letters where it says bamboo. Now I'm gripping it right above the pen click button. Also, yeah, I'm doing all patterns better, and more comfortably, easier to snap to notes around the corner with a slight move of my thumb. Also yeah, I don't look at my cursor either. I use a white cursor on a very light skin, dunno where my cursor is half of the time. That's why I need 75% bg dim to FC AR9 insanes. <.<

edit; a video of me playing with my skin, can't see shit approach circles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGmp6zr_ ... ture=g-upl ;-;

I am playing without looking directly at my cursor, but still paying enough attention to it, either playing with mouse or tablet.

i ususally play some songs in the same difficult, and if i get b or a with a accuracy above of 90.00% of accuracy i play in the next diff the next time, but i usually play to another song in a difficult i can pass, or if i already play in one previous map i go to the next diff

I think being able to read AR10, AR9+DT or AR7+HR+DT is about having a global vision and not focusing on either notes or cursor. That's how i "used" to play when i was still trying to be competitive.

Tom94 wrote:

Even if some method is better. How to prove it?

Find about a thousand 100% thurstworthy asians who don't know of the game, make sure they are small asians in order to ensure cost efficiency (less noodles necessary to feed them with, and you can also save space), all of equal age, perfect eyesight, same muscle mass and identical learning capabilities.

Divide them into groups for every playing technique.

Lock them all in inside a room with a computer for every asian, with the exact same hardware on every one of the machines, and order them to learn playing osu! and to get a playcount of 5000 by the end of the week, no less and no more in order to ensure more accurate statistics. Make sure to have a listing of what maps they should play and practice on, in a set order and amount, so that they all play and practice on the same maps equally.

When they've played for a week, each and every one of them will get the same AR11 map to play, giving everyone two attempts is optional.

Measure the pass/fail and score ratio for each and every group, and you at the very least somewhat get the conclusion of what playing technique is more efficient.

What is everyone talking about when they mention Mouse acceleration? Didn't even know osu had it, can't find it anywhere under options?