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anonymous_old
0 posts
Here since the beginning
anonymous_old
On BAT approval:

I think a better option is to restrict who can create a clan, and ban anyone who abuses this power.

My first thought was to allow those with a supporter tag to create a clan, but this somewhat goes against the philosophy of being a supporter.

My second thought was to allow BAT's to create clans, and have them pass the clan to the person who wanted the clan. This puts more unnecessary load on BAT's, though, but would ideally work better than the first option and maybe even the post-filter process you/Fatty suggested.

Any other ideas on how to weed out shit clans?
Guy-kun
770 posts
Joined December 2009
Guy-kun
A possible idea would be that to create one, you need a maximum of X members (5/10?) with a cumulative Ranked Score of X (5'000'000'000 ish maybe?)
That way its not just restricted to one player needing the prerequisitories to create a clan, but a group of people, some more and some less experienced
This would get rid of most 'for the hell of it' clans with newbs in
eMkay
136 posts
Joined November 2008
eMkay

Guy-kun wrote:

A possible idea would be that to create one, you need a maximum of X members (5/10?) with a cumulative Ranked Score of X (5'000'000'000 ish maybe?)
That way its not just restricted to one player needing the prerequisitories to create a clan, but a group of people, some more and some less experienced
This would get rid of most 'for the hell of it' clans with newbs in
This is definitely a good idea.
So you have some good players in a clan who can then help newbies or less experienced players that join the clan.
In general i would support clans but i think you should just leave the clan tags out in chat/irc.
Guy-kun
770 posts
Joined December 2009
Guy-kun
I overall strongly support this, and I remember peppy saying some time ago he wants to move osu off from merely being ranked score whoring (not exact words) and clans would be a great feature for osu
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
if you pay attention, many OSU players, as several of the tops global players, let them play because they do not have many goals to accomplish, the clans are constant and objectives do not end.

I definitely believe that several would like this.
nardii
271 posts
Here since the beginning
nardii
This seems like a very good idea to me, the implementation I'm not sure about but the core idea I very much approve of. One thing though; call them "squads", not clans.
Azure_Kite
osu! Alumni
3,217 posts
Joined February 2009
Azure_Kite

nardi11011 wrote:

call them "squads", not clans.
This.
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
or "Team".
anonymous_old
0 posts
Here since the beginning
anonymous_old
Or "Clan".
Sakura
osu! Alumni
7,979 posts
Joined March 2010
Sakura
Ehh where to start, ppl usually go multiplayer with friends (at least for me) which feels less stressful and more fun, competitivity against random ppl "PvP" is one of the most stressful things for me and having clans just promotes this except in groups, im ok just playing multi against my friends and stuff. I dont like this idea at all
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
0_o
+1 for Squads
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
When competing, I thought of two possible dynamics:

The first system is the one used in the Proleague of Starcraft, the record five players from each team. First play A vs B. The winner will play the second player of team B, and will continue playing until being defeated. And then the winning player will continue playing, and the loser will have to put another player.

The first team to lose five players is the loser. The system would be like "winner still in play"

The second system is used in several league games. It consists of four "1 vs 1" and one "2 vs 2"

The "one vs. one" earns 2 point
The "2 vs 2" earns 3 points

If playing 1v1, the correct way would be Head to head.
If playing 2v2, would tag team or team tag coop.
[Sean]
147 posts
Joined November 2009
Topic Starter
[Sean]
Squads is a much better idea, it's more of a friendlier term than clans.

As for the implementations, I'm so confused by how many ideas that have appeared that I'm actually getting a headache...
MMzz
Elite Mapper
3,979 posts
Joined June 2009
MMzz
Taiko squad gogo
CXu
osu! Alumni
3,560 posts
Joined March 2009
CXu
+squads or something like that.
Also, me likes this :)
Cheery
259 posts
Joined July 2008
Cheery

MashaBISEX- wrote:

or "Team".
I like team! [: It's simple-r.

+ support on this idea~
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru

Sakura301 wrote:

Ehh where to start, ppl usually go multiplayer with friends (at least for me) which feels less stressful and more fun, competitivity against random ppl "PvP" is one of the most stressful things for me and having clans just promotes this except in groups, im ok just playing multi against my friends and stuff. I dont like this idea at all
The best clans I've been in are mainly just a big group of friends. They're so fun and relaxed.

This is why I support this idea and why I also believe there is no point on having a hard regulation on clans. Maybe like a 2-week requirement, but nothing too difficult to meet for casual players, which, believe it or not, is a pretty big population of osu!.
Zekira
9,233 posts
Joined September 2008
Zekira

MittenMasterzz wrote:

Taiko squad gogo
Joining asap
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
Bump for great clans.
Torran
724 posts
Joined November 2008
Torran
Correction,
*squads
and Support~!
CheeseWarlock
osu! Alumni
1,185 posts
Joined May 2008
CheeseWarlock
+0.5. I don't think it's terribly necessary because osu! doesn't strike me as being competitive enough, but I have nothing against the idea. I like BAT involvement in clan creation to prevent stupidity. "Squads" is the best name because "clan" sounds too competitive and we have enough things called "team" already.

Actually, it would be cool if "squads" could be expanded into things other than multiplayer scores... But one idea at a time.
Doomsday
Featured Artist
1,962 posts
Joined July 2008
Doomsday
I guess clans could work pretty well in osu! now, since the player base is pretty large.
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
I was always for fun, but you have to understand that competition is the dynamic that likes most people. If you pay attention, the main global Osu tops and do not find interest in the game, because the ranking system and they tired a bit.

I'm not a global top, but with six billion points I'm a bit disinterested in the game, and that does not happen to me, if not to many people.

Osu can be fun viewed from a competitive standpoint, and at the same time, maintain the interest of the old players for a long time.

The clans, teams or squads, or whatever you call them, are something that would achieve a dynamic much more fun than the current one in Osu, is something to consider.

"I guess clans could work pretty well in osu! now", The perfect phrase to sum up everything I said.
Natteke
6,540 posts
Joined August 2009
Natteke
I like this idea a lot!
Then we can play clan wars :3
Feno_old
179 posts
Joined March 2009
Feno_old

Sakura301 wrote:

Ehh where to start, ppl usually go multiplayer with friends (at least for me) which feels less stressful and more fun, competitivity against random ppl "PvP" is one of the most stressful things for me and having clans just promotes this except in groups, im ok just playing multi against my friends and stuff. I dont like this idea at all
The Clan/Team/Squad would be optional though,if you find it stressful then stay far away from clans xD An alternative is join but you don't need to take part in the competitive side of it. Kinda like if you're in an MMORPG and you hate fighting people,you can just stick to the PvE part and do instances or whatever but can still join a guild and have fun with guild members,that's what I do :D

I personally like the idea,it's definitly interesting to imagine how it'd turn out ^^
MMzz
Elite Mapper
3,979 posts
Joined June 2009
MMzz
Just realized Roko could bring back T@ikoM@ster with this. 0w0
Sir Minelli
524 posts
Joined September 2008
Sir Minelli
I have yet to see what peppy thinks about this.


I don't see why not.
ekopret8ks
ekopret8ks
Somebody should make a poll, clans, squads, teams. Which name do you prefer?
Esupanitix
393 posts
Joined June 2009
Esupanitix
Do it.
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
Bump for justice.
Hanyuu
2,223 posts
Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
great!
Nakata Yuji
471 posts
Joined April 2009
Nakata Yuji
The only problem I can see with this is that the top players are going to form their own niche, and all the other clans aren't really going to have much of a chance in these clan battles. But on the other hand, I see tournaments working well, maybe some tournaments having a limit to the total total score of the participating clan members. This could be really fun, and it would move osu! away from rank whoring, which is something I'm done with. Trophies for winning some tournaments could be shown in the profile, which truly will accentuate the player's ability.

Also, I think it would be better called a circle. The clans here aren't so much to wreck ass, but more to form friendships.
Astom
1,588 posts
Joined October 2008
Astom
I preffer Guild :3 but Clan or Squad is good too.

SUPPORT :3
Lemon Water_old
199 posts
Joined March 2010
Lemon Water_old
I support this idea.
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
Do it
Galkan
Global Moderator
2,024 posts
Joined September 2009
Galkan
Hell's no, I do not want make MMORPG out of this game :roll:
We don't need this.
Natteke
6,540 posts
Joined August 2009
Natteke

Galkan92 wrote:

Hell's no, I do not want make MMORPG out of this game :roll:
No one is asking you to do anything with osu, noob
Galkan
Global Moderator
2,024 posts
Joined September 2009
Galkan

Natteke wrote:

Galkan92 wrote:

Hell's no, I do not want make MMORPG out of this game :roll:
No one is asking you to do anything with osu, noob
Okay, special version for you, in other words:

I don't support this. It's as same useless as suggestion about implementing voice chat >.>
rockit_old
rockit_old
I think clan's in osu! (Taiko, CtB) are good coz------------------>more help for newcomer&beginners; more activity; straight matches are funny!

so...why not?
qlum
481 posts
Joined October 2008
qlum

rockit wrote:

I think clan's in osu! (Taiko, CtB) are good coz------------------>more help for newcomer&beginners; more activity; straight matches are funny!

so...why not?
I never heard any clan helping the newbies in any game, they mostly lough at them.
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
In every game, there's a kinda newbie clan (ie. Taiko Beginner Team) that doesn't actually do anything, but just makes it so newer people can go "Make me a sandwhich, I'm in a cool clan."
Nakata Yuji
471 posts
Joined April 2009
Nakata Yuji

qlum wrote:

rockit wrote:

I think clan's in osu! (Taiko, CtB) are good coz------------------>more help for newcomer&beginners; more activity; straight matches are funny!

so...why not?
I never heard any clan helping the newbies in any game, they mostly lough at them.
You've been playing the wrong games brah
the last 3 mmo's i've played have
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru
I've joined clans that have helped newcomers in freaking Nexon games.

We're talking MapleStory here. Yes, those kinds of clans are in MapleStory. Also, DFO and other games that are known to have stupidity everywhere (DFO is a fun game BTW).

In other words, I agree with Nakata here. There are plenty of clans/guilds that help newer players in many MMOs. osu! has some helpful people on it so there would most likely be some of those here too if it was implemented.
qlum
481 posts
Joined October 2008
qlum

Ekaru wrote:

I've joined clans that have helped newcomers in freaking Nexon games.

We're talking MapleStory here. Yes, those kinds of clans are in MapleStory. Also, DFO and other games that are known to have stupidity everywhere (DFO is a fun game BTW).

In other words, I agree with Nakata here. There are plenty of clans/guilds that help newer players in many MMOs. osu! has some helpful people on it so there would most likely be some of those here too if it was implemented.
actually I wasn't talking about mmo's. I don't play mmo's because I hate grinding.
Musty
2,254 posts
Joined February 2010
Musty
nice idea
My MultiGamingClan purpose too
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
Bump

.... for justice.
lkjl23
207 posts
Joined July 2010
lkjl23
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Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Anyone read this?
Accelerator-kun
1,248 posts
Joined March 2012
Accelerator-kun
I think clans are a great idea. We don't need new forum sections (but it would be great). It's enough to talk via Skype, Steam, Xfire, TS, etc...
Clan war in Team VS mode would be great.
Mukku
1,434 posts
Joined February 2009
Mukku

NeverDie wrote:

To think such a great idea that was suggested over a year ago has no sign of being implemented till this day is very saddening.
^

glad theres a potent necromancer to bring this back up!
zertap
723 posts
Joined February 2012
zertap
I very much approve of this! Great idea, as I have too been hoping for user made groups (like bats, devs, mats etc.) for group stats (a little like bf3 platoons).
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,425 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan

Ekaru wrote:

I've joined clans that have helped newcomers in freaking Nexon
I stopped to read at this point.
MMO =/= MMORPG
Cho_old
Cho_old
So has there been any word on whether this is even being considered ?
Accelerator-kun
1,248 posts
Joined March 2012
Accelerator-kun
Support. If we can already do a team VS, why we can't use it for clan matches?
Archangel Tirael
479 posts
Joined January 2011
Archangel Tirael
I think that the word "clan" is
more suitable for MMORPG,
but not for rhythm game. I
think that for osu! would be
more suitable name "Team"
or "Crew" such as DMT.
vipto
716 posts
Joined May 2011
vipto
Great idea!! Gogo peppey!

Here, have bump :3
SuzumiyaBR
308 posts
Joined April 2012
SuzumiyaBR
Good idea

Clan = All Countrys

example : Clan A = Brazil , Japan , Korean , Indonesian ,etc

What's wrong Championships osu?
Country X has only 10 players, where 3 are good>>>>result = bad

Championships Clan ?
Clan A ( members of Brazil , Japan , Korean,etc ) VS Clan B ( indonesia , norway, saudi arabia,etc )

OWWWWW this is really Great idea

The championships will be even more disputed
Sakura
osu! Alumni
7,979 posts
Joined March 2010
Sakura
inb4 World War III to decide who gets Cookiezi or White Wolf.
Yarissa
587 posts
Joined September 2010
Yarissa
i think it's an okay idea, since it promotes a sense of community. i'd vote if i had stars
Ame-Michi
1 post
Joined November 2011
Ame-Michi
oh know, i click it! i don't want it~
SuzumiyaBR
308 posts
Joined April 2012
SuzumiyaBR
My sugestion

Ingame Today


Future with Clan


Clan Pro ( Name of Clan ) + logo + Clan Pro --- 19/100 ( 100 online each clan or 1000 )
+++++ Competitive game
Roflercoaster
10 posts
Joined April 2012
Roflercoaster
I really love that idea of having teams/clans or whatever.
I'm not necessarily a fan of clanwars, but the thing i really appreciate about this idea is
that you could form groups with your friends and just organize games with others in a completely new dimension
that would be really funny i think.

the other point is that it could be helpful for new players if they had the possibility to play with more experiences players in their team
(Let's be optimist and imagine their won't be any bad comments towards new players :))

for the clantags or whatever we can call it. maybe it can be displayed on the left side of the userpage?
since this part can be seen ingame the problem where to put it would be solved..........

Anyway i support this idea :)
[Sean]
147 posts
Joined November 2009
Topic Starter
[Sean]
Looking at this two years after I suggested it I should add that my stance on it has slightly changed. I still support the idea of course, but it's moved from the sake of having tags, looking cool, and essentially grouping up to have the "best players ever" to something along the lines of encouraging users to engage with each other.

I love the enthusiasm from other people, which is great. A lot more here then I expected.

I'd edit the original post, but if this was to be considered for future implementation, then I'd rather have it looked at from the original and work on it with suggestions from others.


I'm for the name "Squads". Not to mention, the original osu! idea was for a male cheering squad exerting their ki to people to help better themselves, so essentially encouraging group interaction. This is also another thing as they're found at sports games, so a "Squad on Squad" situation would be presented as well. Although, the way the community is at the moment, compared to back then when I did suggest it, well... Let's just say it's taken a turn for the worse.

I'd love to see this happen though, I seriously do.
SuzumiyaBR
308 posts
Joined April 2012
SuzumiyaBR
Example of osu with Clan ^



Scroll bar on the right side to see all clan members
peppy
19,374 posts
Here since the beginning
peppy
I started work on a system that will address the "clans" request, but called it teams. I haven't yet completed or worked on it in over half a year, but it does exist :P.
Roflercoaster
10 posts
Joined April 2012
Roflercoaster

peppy wrote:

I started work on a system that will address the "clans" request, but called it teams. I haven't yet completed or worked on it in over half a year, but it does exist :P.
yey thanks peppy. you made my sunday :)
I can't wait to see this :D
[Sean]
147 posts
Joined November 2009
Topic Starter
[Sean]

peppy wrote:

I started work on a system that will address the "clans" request, but called it teams. I haven't yet completed or worked on it in over half a year, but it does exist :P.
Well I'll be damned... I didn't think you'd have started work on something similar. That's quite intriguing. We'll have to see where it goes from here. I'll spend some time tomorrow re-formatting the original post and including that. Seems this has gained 20 stars overnight.
peppy
19,374 posts
Here since the beginning
peppy
I hope to make it similar to niconico communities, which encourage communities to grow in order to unlock cool stuff. Also it will be used for potential multiplayer matching/tourneys, and who knows what else :P.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut
amazing.
Doodley
310 posts
Joined January 2010
Doodley
I really really like the idea of teams over clans. It feels like it'll push collaborations into osu! and have movements towards ranking and mapping more songs from specific genres. The word "clans" gives off the idea of an MMORPG to me.
kindut
kindut
I like this idea! :)
But for me names like [CLAN NAME HERE]kindut would be a bit ugly to me. if the [CLAN NAME HERE]kindut thingy would be in only multiplayer clan vs. that would be ok.
:)

Hope it gets added to osu!
Vlad-
10 posts
Joined March 2012
Vlad-
+1
theowest
osu! Alumni
6,891 posts
Joined January 2009
theowest
Viking clan. Scandinavians only.

lol
SuzumiyaBR
308 posts
Joined April 2012
SuzumiyaBR

theowest wrote:

Viking clan. Scandinavians only.

lol
Good Lucky ^^
[Sean]
147 posts
Joined November 2009
Topic Starter
[Sean]
I re-did the first post. It's more of a "Why" rather then a "How" now, since peppy is already working on it.
Reyden
14 posts
Joined March 2012
Reyden
Really nice idea I think :)
SnowReborn
SnowReborn
WOW this would be fun! very nice idea, i use to think about this but didn't really put a thread for the request, it surely would make multiplayer much more fun and give us some chance to hook up some friends all that as well as benefits new players having a good start(pros carry new players), also suggest support clan logo, just like avatars, every clan should have their own logo. support + 1
Shizuroh
1,771 posts
Joined October 2010
Shizuroh
daaamnnn why did i gave away my last star ;A;
Kuro
836 posts
Joined July 2012
Kuro
I would certainly love and play osu! more often if it was more competitive and this seems to be the closest thing to it
I love competing against others in multiplayer (but no one's ever playing taiko during the day in my time zone). Having teams competing against each other could be interesting...
~Support, if only i had stars left... Oh well, settle for a bump...
benguin
277 posts
Joined January 2012
benguin
I just wanted to open one thing for discussion.Is the system going to allow users to join more than one team if they want to or will this be something that's left to the discretion of the teams' administrators?
Kuro
836 posts
Joined July 2012
Kuro

benguin wrote:

I just wanted to open one thing for discussion.Is the system going to allow users to join more than one team if they want to or will this be something that's left to the discretion of the teams' administrators?
Most likely it would be limited to only one team...
If you consider the fact that people may play have to play for both teams if they've joined both it doesn't quiet add up well and is impossible to do in real time... How would you play for two teams that are playing against each other but you've joined both? :P

An example would be"everyone's favorite" - Abuse of the system
Like:
  1. Joining all of your friends teams
  2. Try to join every team with highly skilled people
Saten
Global Moderator
3,871 posts
Joined August 2010
Saten

theowest wrote:

Viking clan. Scandinavians only.

lol
Let's go!
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
9,218 posts
Joined June 2009
deadbeat

Saten wrote:

theowest wrote:

Viking clan. Scandinavians only.

lol
Let's go!
i suddenly want this added even more now *_*
she_old
she_old
wow pretty cool!
H_Hitachiin
819 posts
Joined September 2012
H_Hitachiin
I'm joining the CTB clan then.
Kuro
836 posts
Joined July 2012
Kuro

H_Hitachiin wrote:

I'm joining the CTB clan then.
I wonder how many people are going to try to call their team that :lol:

Example:

  1. osu! Clan
  2. Taiko Clan
  3. CTB Clan
  4. osu!mania Clan
benguin
277 posts
Joined January 2012
benguin

Kuro wrote:

benguin wrote:

I just wanted to open one thing for discussion.Is the system going to allow users to join more than one team if they want to or will this be something that's left to the discretion of the teams' administrators?
Most likely it would be limited to only one team...
If you consider the fact that people may play have to play for both teams if they've joined both it doesn't quiet add up well and is impossible to do in real time... How would you play for two teams that are playing against each other but you've joined both? :P

An example would be"everyone's favorite" - Abuse of the system
Like:
  1. Joining all of your friends teams
  2. Try to join every team with highly skilled people
Of course, it doesn't make sense for one person to play for two or more competitive teams at once. However, I'm sure many teams, once they get going, would have their own community aspect as well and some people may want to join that team just for the community involvement as opposed to just joining teams based off of statistical advantages to winning games. Perhaps, if users were able to designate which team is their "main" or "playing" team, so that way the user could be on multiple teams but when it comes to mp or other competitive things, they have to play for the team they designated ahead of time as their "main/playing" team. Just a suggestion.
she_old
she_old

Kuro wrote:

H_Hitachiin wrote:

I'm joining the CTB clan then.
I wonder how many people are going to try to call their team that :lol:

Example:

  1. osu! Clan
  2. Taiko Clan
  3. CTB Clan
  4. osu!mania Clan
lol inb4 osu! Clan being full of CTB players.
JeuXinTerdiTs_old
14 posts
Joined September 2011
JeuXinTerdiTs_old
I approve! ^^
Hanyuu
2,223 posts
Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
Cant wait :) Starred
BulldozA
98 posts
Joined June 2011
BulldozA
maybe on every song have a clan ranking where the top 10 or so clan scores on that song are added to form a "clan score" that has its own ranking
Team effort!
PlasticSmoothie
242 posts
Joined March 2010
PlasticSmoothie
This is an extremely awesome idea.
Oinari-sama
osu! Alumni
3,403 posts
Joined July 2010
Oinari-sama
I bet there will be clan "Tentacles" from Chinese speaking communities lol

Any update on this? Peppy's last post was 5 months ago...
theowest
osu! Alumni
6,891 posts
Joined January 2009
theowest
maybe have clans where many of the more worthless forum ranks are t/119918

personally I don't like this idea that much
Kunieda
818 posts
Joined March 2012
Kunieda
Support~
Add other counties clan
Starry-
osu! Alumni
1,074 posts
Joined December 2012
Starry-
I'd love for this to be implemented, and I love the idea of clan/team wars or whatnot. I'd be using Multiplayer a lot more then, it seems. ^^
[Maid] NekoRyo
720 posts
Joined December 2012
[Maid] NekoRyo
wow...this is a very good idea /o.o/!~ CTB clan xDD ~
Starz0r
197 posts
Joined March 2012
Starz0r
I've always wanted to group for Single Tappers.

+Support
Hellgert
489 posts
Joined May 2012
Hellgert
i wish got clan in osu,it will gotta be fun :D
Bladestar_old
Bladestar_old
Brilliant, supported.
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