He loves me! wait what?

I will attempt to bring together everything I find suspicious about Lucidity in this post. There are other people I find suspicious and other things that I feel need to be discussed. I will make a separate post about them.

I like to go chronologically, but instead I'm going to start with the post I assume Lucidity is referring to as the beginning of his defense.

Lucidity wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?

This post is interesting for two reasons:

1. He gives no justification for accusing Rust of being mafia.
2. He starts an almost successful bandwagon push to vote me off.

It is of course in the interest of the mafia to get townies lynched. And what better way than a quick bandwagon before anyone knows what's going on? He reacted with shock and outrage at ASH voting strager off in a similar fashion in Mafia 3...Why the change of heart? Voting me while saying "May as well find out" in a nonchalant manner...Ya.

Here, he is trying to relate two things which are not the same. ASH placed the final vote, ending the day, while adam places the second vote, bringing Lucidity to L-7. I'd also like everyone to remember that Lucidity thinks starting a bandwagon is a Scumtell.

Now, this is a curious place to start a defense. Not one hour prior, Lucidity was voting for himself. This action caused 2 people to unvote from Lucidity. That's right, Lucidity defended himself after people started to unvote.

There are a few points in Lucidity's next post as well.

Lucidity wrote:

Furthermore, who says there's even a Jester in the game?

This is an appeal to ignorance. In other words, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Lucidity wrote:

Like I said before, you're way too confident in your claims to not be suspicious. It looks like you're trying to lock in a non-mafia lynch to me.

Here, Lucidity attacks adam for his confidence. Last time I checked, confidence was not a scumtell. It is also a very indirect way of saying "I'm not a mafia."

Lucidity wrote:

Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself? And don't give me that WIFOM crap

This is WIFOM, followed directly by stonethrowing against WIFOM. In many of his posts, Lucidity asserts that WIFOM is not a valid argument basically by calling it names.

Lucidity wrote:

Oh come on;p Everyone was joking around (still are). Using WIFOM as a basis for voting is silly. There's absolutely no justification for using that, except paranoia. Or maybe trying to mislead others.

Everyone is still joking around? Didn't Lucidity's actual defense begin in his last post? This is an inconsistency, followed by more stonethrowing at WIFOM, with a hint of ad hominem. There is nothing to prove that WIFOM is silly or that people who use it are paranoid.

Lucidity wrote:

By proving my innocence? haha ;p You and Wojjan are so suspicious -.-

Here, Lucidity provides no proof of adam and Wojjan being suspicious.

In addition, the question about roles could have been answered by reading the rules of the game in the first post.

Lucidity wrote:

Alrighty. That does make the game more interesting

I assumed strager was joking earlier:

strager wrote:

Role claim: Team Rocket Grunt.

But who knows?!

Something actually valuable. It shall be noted that strager warrants suspicion, and he shall be included in my next post.

Lucidity wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

Also, Lucidity, you could aswell elaborate why you see me and adam as one person.

You and adam seem to act in unison. Both of you are also extremely determined to get rid of me.

Rather than providing evidence, Lucidity repeats himself. Another accusation, again lacking anything to back it up.

Lucidity wrote:

Lucidity, don't act all "you're trying to kill me ;((" since you tried to kill yourself aswell.

This was still part of the joke. I really didn't even know that a role such as the Jester existed until it was pointed out in this thread. I don't expect anyone to believe that, but it's true This is only my second mafia game.

Have you considered that if I were trying to kill myself I would not have voted for myself so early on? My vote pretty much canceled the assault on me. If I were a Jester I would have waited until I could put in the final vote, wouldn't I? At the very least I wouldn't have acted so blatantly to get myself voted...

Here Lucidity claims that voting for himself is just a joke. My question to Lucidity is this: Why is it that your vote for yourself is a joke, and adam and Wojjan's votes are scum-votes trying to quick lynch you? Again, this is followed by WIFOM.

Lucidity wrote:

None of this makes any sense, does it? Maybe it's because it's taken out of context. If you look at my Roleclaim, it was surrounded by other joke posts from every person in the thread. My roleclaim was made as a PS. A PPS "brbsuicide" followed it. I think it's quite clear that it was made in jest (lulpun), just like all the other posts at the time.

Lucidity's "joke post" is the only one on the page. I've yet to find a similar joke.

Lucidity wrote:

These kinds of aggressive remarks and your and adam's determination to get rid of me is what makes me suspicious of you. There's just no way that you can be that confident on the first day without knowing something that the rest of us don't. You also seem to work together. That's why I group you two together. You happy with my explanation?

This time, Lucidity states that being aggressive and determined are scum-tells. That brings the list of attributes to someone who is confident, aggressive, and determined. Personally, this is how I would describe a scum-hunter.
In addition, Lucidity is begging the question.
"You also seem to work together. That's why I group you two together."
This is using the conclusion as the premise.

Lucidity wrote:

Seriously though, this is ridiculously suspicious to me. What does everyone else think? On hindsight, I probably shouldn't have roleclaimed like that, but I urge everyone to look at the surrounding posts...Everyone was joking around. Why would my post be serious?

I believe that this, along with all of the WIFOM and stonethrowing at WIFOM, is trying to confuse everyone. Lucidity even goes as far as to ask other people to come up with explanations for his actions.

Lucidity wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Mafia are not allowed to discuss until nightime.

Roles aren't specified anywhere...Nice try though.

Oh my gosh, another good point. There could be a roll that has the ability to psychically talk during the day.

Lucidity wrote:

I completely agree with that. And yet all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?

At times like these Ockham's razor jumps to mind.

I guess you could call the first quote WIFOM. It is also condemning WIFOM though. I'm saying that I would not use such an obvious WIFOM strategy, since WIFOM isn't any basis to vote on. I wouldn't expect anyone in the game to vote based on WIFOM. There's also the rather large inconsistency of voting for myself before I got close to being lynched. A Jester would not do that.

Simplicity. "Joking around" is the simplest explanation for my actions, and from a neutral perspective has to be the most likely reason for them.

"That" is Echo's assertion that WIFOM is bad for townies. The tone I get from "all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?" again makes me think that Lucidity is stonethrowing here.
Lucidity brings up Occam's razor without saying what Occam's razor should (in his opinion) be shaved off. In the end, Lucidity says that "Joking around" is the simplest explanation. However, the explanation of "Joking around" is not something that can be proved or disproved, and thus is something that Occam's razor states should be shaved off. It's like Lucidity is trying to throw out fancy terms to confuse everyone.
Even when talking about WIFOM, Lucidity uses WIFOM and even includes some stonethrowing.

Now, in this post Lucidity is joking around again. Lucidity is not scum-hunting, but creating a distraction and joking around wasting time.

Lucidity wrote:

That makes sense at any stage of the game except (the initial stages of) Day 1.

What is "That"? Also, Lucidity provides no proof that "That" makes sense at some time or doesn't at some other time.

Lucidity wrote:

There is effectively no way to make an informed decision so all the votes are either joke votes or random votes.

This is absolutely incorrect. Bandwagons, along with contradictions, anti-scum-hunting posts, and general things that don't help in any way can lead to suspicion and finding scum on Day 1. Again, it looks like Lucidity is trying to waste time to not get a lynch on Day 1.

Lucidity wrote:

My vote was cast before any real discussion had begun.

In that case, adam and Wojjan's votes were made "before any real discussion had begun" also. There is no difference between Lucidity's vote and adam and Wojjan's vote, yet Lucidity claims her vote was a joke and adam and Wojjan's votes are scummy.

Lucidity wrote:

Possible collusion between adam and Wojjan and definite suspicious activity by Wojjan.

Again, Lucidity does not provide examples, proof.

Lucidity wrote:

This is surely a positive thing for the townies, showing that "Don't vote for yourself" isn't a rule cast in stone never to be challenged. It shouldn't always lead to confusion, unless some players insist that it does.

Here Lucidity states that voting for yourself isn't confusing and that it's the other players who talk about self-votes that confuse. Lucidity is trying to shift the blame off of himself and onto others, an early sign of self-preservation.

Lucidity wrote:

Another thing to consider is that voting for yourself doesn't change anything in the game. Unless you're close to the deadline and stand a real chance of being lynched because of majority vote, your self-vote should have no impact at all.

Again, Lucidity is stating that self-voting is not a bad thing, saying that it "should have no impact at all." Even if this is true, then Lucidity was making useless posts in this game that distracted the town from scum-hunting rather than trying to find scum.

Lucidity wrote:

Tbh WIFOM only exists in the remote regions of a paranoid mind.

Again, Lucidity is stonethrowing against WIFOM combined with ad hominem.

Lucidity wrote:

Meh, too much posting to do. I am writing 2 big exams this week so if you're confused about any of my earlier posts, reread them. I can't explain all of them.

I ask for clarity, Lucidity denies it and give an excuse to set up a period of absence from the game. Lucidity is trying to set up lurking in the near future.

Lucidity wrote:

I'm protecting myself and voting for someone who I think is suspicious and making the more efficient vote.

The second reason is the only valid one.
The first reason is self-preservation. I didn't explain this earlier because I wanted to save it until now, when Lucidity actually admits to it.

The Town wins when all the Mafia are dead.
The Mafia wins if they survive to the point where their numbers equal the Town's.

Townies try to lynch Mafia, Mafia try to survive. That's how this game works and why self-preservation is scummy.
The third reason, the "more efficient vote" is an example of compromise. In this game, since you don't know who you're compromising with, it's probably scum. I've learned this from personal experience.

Lucidity wrote:

As if I weren't posting enough already? I don't think he needed to *nudge* me to post more at all.

Since this is an opinion question, I'd be happy to give you mine. Your post-count in this game is very high. Your post quality is next to none. You don't need to post more, you need to post relevant things.

Lucidity wrote:

As I said in my previous post, I don't have all the time in the world. Please do take a look at the initial Day 1 posts. ALL of them are pretty much joke posts, are they not? Vote for grammar nazi. Roleclaim: Team Rocket Grunt. etc. I think it's quite clear to see without quoting 20 posts.

RE: adam an Wojjan acting in unison: Read my earlier posts. (I can't quote and requote and requote in every post I make can I?)

RE: Defense post: It starts here doesn't it?

RE: Confusing post: What's confusing about it? Reread it. The two paragraphs weren't written at the same time so they do contain two different trains of thought I guess.

Again, I can't find any joke posts that even come close to yours. As for the two things you mention, rust's post is an example of early ad hominem, and you yourself suggested that strager was being serious.
Also, when I ask for clarity, it's only after reading, re-reading and re-reading again. All you're doing is causing chaos and trying to distract the town from scum-hunting.

And that is why I'm voting for Lucidity.

holy crap

also, tldr's are beautiful things

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I think Lucidity's main problem is she doesn't understand what WIFOM really is. Educate yourself? See BagelBob's signature -- that's a great example to learn from, and very entertaining. =]

That would be plausible, except Lucidity agreed with Echo when Echo said that WIFOM was bad for the town, yet continued to use it giraffe.

Lucidity is simply bending meanings to their desire.

BagelBob wrote:

That would be plausible, except Lucidity agreed with Echo when Echo said that WIFOM was bad for the town, yet continued to use it giraffe.

lol.

Also, accurate deadline check: 4:42 away from this post

Frequently, I meant to say frequently. Also 6:36 away from this post.

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0_o wrote:

Woah hold on.. when did you get this Jester info?

and more importantly, from who?
And why isn't it in the thread, as it should be?

I may be damned, but I believe you. I'm starting to think you're just acting like strager in M2. If this ends up biting me later on, I fully deserve it.

Unvote Lucidity

Wojjan wrote:

0_o wrote:

Woah hold on.. when did you get this Jester info?

and more importantly, from who?
And why isn't it in the thread, as it should be?

She said she knows from her role, so I would think it wouldn't be posted in the thread.
I don't know what kind of role can get information like that during the day... unless LS made some crazy new roles, in which case, cool

Alright, there's a few people I want to point out before the day ends.

First, I've got my eye on strager and Lucidity, for their early on claims. Also I was suspicious how long strager kept his random vote on Wojjan, but he took it off recently.

Also, I feel like Echo is acting differently this game. Usually he's all smart and figuring stuff out, but he's been kinda silent this game, so an FOS on Echo for acting weird.

I find adam and thepianist very suspicious for their wishy-washy voting. Adam seemed to switch back and forth off of Echo and other people when they would have the most votes.

Also in this post by thepianist the contents are removed, so I have no idea what happened, but it was enough for Pasonia to vote citing a bandwagon.

I'd still like Wojjan to answer the question
Can you explain why you thought you were at L-1?

But in the end, I'm going to

Vote: adam2046

Because of his wishy-washy voting and because he has bandwagoned on both Echo and Lucidity.

Also, I want to strongly recommend that all night actions be used on Echo.

If you have an investigation, it's important for the town to know if Echo is an evil wolf and going to doom us all.
If you have a protection, it's important that Echo is alive, because Echo is smart and could doom the wolves.
If you have an invite to a secret society, having Echo in there could really give you a boost.
If you have a night kill, you might want to save it. Or you might want to kill Echo on if you think he's a wolf.
If you have a revive, why are you considering a night action?
If you have a voteblock, are you a member of the Mafia?

And in a game of this size, and since I assume almost everyone has a special role, I think it's safe to assume that we have 4 wolves that we're dealing with. Does anyone think otherwise?

Are you sure all night actions should be directed to Echo? If a doctor and mafia both go after him then they cancel eachother out, wasting that night for them, and what if the doctor really is protecting mafia? It seems odd for you saying that everyone should use their action on Echo. But alas, it's not too suspicious so I won't try to pin anything on you.

Why don't we just ask?

Hey Echo, are you a human?

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Due to stuff IRL one of the two will happen, depending on what happens IRL for me.

Day will end in 1 hour, 19 minutes.
Day will end when I awake tomorrow.

Plan for either.

Votecount:

Lucidity - 5 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset, Wojjan, thepianist)
Wojjan - 4 (0_o, Echo, Derekku, Lucidity)
adam2046 - 4 (rust45, Pasonia, strager, Bagelbob)
rust45 - 1 (adam2046)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)

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adam2046 wrote:

*hopeful*
Come on extended day period.

/me flees

More stall time!!

Yes!

Woah, hold it, I haven't seen thepianist, Death, or JInxy's reasons for voting Lucidity, and those first two could be from the random voting stage.

Then again, the same could be said for Wojjan's voters...

I think most of Wojjan's voters are not random. 0_o may be the only one, if I recall.

Time's up! No extention is the verdict!

Final Votecount:

Lucidity - 5 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset, Wojjan, thepianist)
Wojjan - 4 (0_o, Echo, Derekku, Lucidity)
adam2046 - 4 (rust45, Pasonia, strager, Bagelbob)
rust45 - 1 (adam2046)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)

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*Everyone was laughing at Lucidity, mainly because there was this funny hat on her head. They hung her, some of them thinking she could be a jester, others convinced otherwise that she was scum. Mafia.*

*However, this was not the case. A book, looking like a form of the bible dropped from her pocket. It contained but one phrase. You all heard her proclaim this, yet lynched her anyway. Oh well.*

There IS a jester.

Lucidity - Knowledgable Townie - Lynched D1

Lucidity's proclamation is now confirmed by her death. The presence of a jester is now known.

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It is now Night 1, please send in all night actions by TOMORROW at this time.

Also: Don't complain about the short night. This is basically a test game, get over it. ;P

*giggles*

*Night ends, and you find Bagelbob's corpse with a bullet through the brain. Luckilly for you, the mafia weren't smart enough to take the oh-so-familliar book from Bagel's hand.*

There are four mafia.

*Reading this out of Bagel's book, you can only assume he was the same as Lucidity.*

Bagelbob - Knowledgable Townie - Killed N1

Bagel's subtle declaration that there are four mafia is confirmed.

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It is now D2


With 14 alive, it's 8 to ly---

*A mysterious figure walks into the area, but says nothing. He stares creepilly at you all. Who is this Unknown Shadow?*

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

Deadline is the 10th at 5:00 PM Central

0_o wrote:

vote: Unknown Shadow

Wha.

Uknown shadow has been working against the town by contributing nothing to the conversation and generally being mysterious.


Also his jokes suck. (and he stinks)

Mod: Please prod Metruzero

Already done.

Any guess as to what a Knowledgeable Townie "does?"

I would guess he has some information about the game, which is revealed to himself in the role PM and to all players on death. Any other "catches?"

I wonder if there are any others.

I'm sorta suspicious of adam being a Jester now...

strager wrote:

Any guess as to what a Knowledgeable Townie "does?"

I would guess he has some information about the game, which is revealed to himself in the role PM and to all players on death. Any other "catches?"

I wonder if there are any others.

I'm sorta suspicious of adam being a Jester now...

Yep that's what it does.

I dunno about adam being the jester though, I thought the same thing about Lucidity being the jester when she first claimed mafia, I just didn't post it.
Also, pretty interesting how the only one who actually knew there was a jester (besides the jester themselves) was accused of being one

EDIT: woah guys, check this out..
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Judas
do you think this is what the unknown shadow is?

mod: the unknown shadow is a normal player right? They can be killed/lynched?

I think Knowledgeable Townie gets to ask one question about roles maybe. (maybe per day?)
Such as, "is there a x?" "how many x?" etc.
But not direct questions such as "is x a y?"

0_o wrote:

Yep that's what it does.

I dunno about adam being the jester though, I thought the same thing about Lucidity being the jester when she first claimed mafia, I just didn't post it.
Also, pretty interesting how the only one who actually knew there was a jester (besides the jester themselves) was accused of being one

EDIT: woah guys, check this out..
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Judas
do you think this is what the unknown shadow is?

mod: the unknown shadow is a normal player right? They can be killed/lynched?

Sort of. Anything the unknown shadow says comes from me. It CAN be lynched and killed though.

I could have sworn I read a MafiaWiki article that explained Knowledgeable townies before, but now I can't find it..

So I guess the Unknown Shadow is a Mafia? It it comes from a dead player, and swaps alignment, then the only conclusion is that this new player is a Mafia.

However, I am suspecting something else is up with this character. EDIT: Being mod-controlled, he could be a valuable asset.

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Echo wrote:

Why do you (strager) want to know how the knowledgeable townie works? I say the less information available to the Mafia about this (and any other) special role, the better. That way, we might be able to catch them off guard.

If I was mafia, this is (almost)exactly what I would say.
Just saying is all ^_^

Echo wrote:

Why do you (strager) want to know how the knowledgeable townie works? I say the less information available to the Mafia about this (and any other) special role, the better. That way, we might be able to catch them off guard.

Maybe, but someone else with this role may slip as well.

That comment there is aweful scummy, too... The information given so far has been helpful for the Town and not for the Mafia at all, as far as I can see. I can see no danger in the release of this information unless it's about a specific person (e.g. player X is the Doctor).

On that small bit of suspicion, I'll make my vote.

Vote: Echo

adam ninja'd me, heh.

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HEY COOL A TALKING SHADOW!

*pokes*

awwww its a person.

***

where are the other people? ie Pasonia...JInxyjem...

I'll hold back my vote for now.

LadySuburu wrote:

Unknown Shadow: Well, that's not a pleasent way to be greeted. *Dusts off Tuxedo*

Unknown Shadow: I was sent here to help you all find mafia. I don't know any of you personally, so I may be able to be of help most in those situations where you need an outside view. Of course, I still get my own vote, but I will listen closely to all arguments made from each side.

*Bows*

*Holds a flashlight and points it towards shadow*

LOOKIE! A HUMAN!

and btw. Unvote: Echo
Vote: Wojjan

well then

unvote

this'll be interesting..

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strager wrote:

The information given so far has been helpful for the Town and not for the Mafia at all, as far as I can see. I can see no danger in the release of this information unless it's about a specific person (e.g. player X is the Doctor).

Asking for what a specific role does in this game is tantamount to rolefishing, since no one except the person/people who got that role would know exactly how that role works, because Suburu messed around with the rules for roles as far as I can tell.

Townies have no benefit from knowing who has what role, so the only people who would want to know are the Mafia, so they can know who to target at night.

Metruzero wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Unknown Shadow: Well, that's not a pleasent way to be greeted. *Dusts off Tuxedo*

Unknown Shadow: I was sent here to help you all find mafia. I don't know any of you personally, so I may be able to be of help most in those situations where you need an outside view. Of course, I still get my own vote, but I will listen closely to all arguments made from each side.

*Bows*

*Holds a flashlight and points it towards shadow*

LOOKIE! A HUMAN!

and btw. Unvote: Echo
Vote: Wojjan

And Metru swoops in to make his weekly post, votes for me while lacking any reason and edits his post twice.
Well done!
HOS: Metruzero

HOS? Hand of suspicion? lol

I'm back~
I'm gonna have to agree with Wojjan here. In pretty much every game people seem to jump on him for pretty much no reason, and most of those people are later revealed to be mafia/wolves.

Why is that Metruzero hasn't contributed or hinted at any of the information so far? Sounds like someone's hiding in the shadows.

Vote: Metruzero

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

The information given so far has been helpful for the Town and not for the Mafia at all, as far as I can see. I can see no danger in the release of this information unless it's about a specific person (e.g. player X is the Doctor).

Townies have no benefit from knowing who has what role, so the only people who would want to know are the Mafia, so they can know who to target at night.

That's what I said.

adam voted for Echo with me because he didn't want to use just "I would say that if I were a Mafia" as an excuse for voting.

Wtf at Metruzero's vote???

Unknown Shadow: WHO sent you?

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Unknown Shadow: I was sent by the deceased LadySuburu. As I have no real way to prove this, you may choose if you trust me or not. However, It will be hard for me to help you if you don't trust me.

adam2046 wrote:

strager's great, it's like I don't have to say anything the entire game.

Sounds like buddying to me.

Vote: adam

More detailed post later, rushing through breakfast for the bus right now.

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

strager's great, it's like I don't have to say anything the entire game.

Too bad BanchoBait's gone. D=

Did peppy ban it? XP

Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

strager's great, it's like I don't have to say anything the entire game.

Too bad BanchoBait's gone. D=

Did peppy ban it? XP

Harddrive failure.

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I gotta say, strager is really making a case here

vote Echo

I'm human, I'm allowed to misread and misunderstand, aren't I?

No idea what your second point means.

Third point - different kind of information. Information about how each role in the game works is beneficial to Mafia moreso than to town, whereas information about each person and how they're playing is beneficial to town than Mafia.

See point 1. I misread, clarified when told so by editing the post, and followed up with another post saying so. You're grasping at straws, strager.

I will post more later.

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You see what I mean?
strager certainly does. ^_^

I think you're both just grasping at straws >_>

(even though there isn't a whole lot to go on in the first place...)

I'll reread through tomorrow and give my own thoughts :@

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Echo wrote:

Buddying is usually bad in a standard game because there is no way for townies to *know* anyone is safe to talk to/back up/etc. so soon. Therefore, only Mafia would use it to either cast suspicion on other people, etc..

adam isn't agreeing with me because of my role/alignment. He's agreeing with my argument against you. That's where you get your "buddying" idea, and that's where you think we somehow know each other are on the same team (e.g. Mafia or Masons as you suggest, or some other role(s)) or at least adam knows I am on the same team he is (e.g. we are both Townies and adam investigated me last night as a Cop). (Note: I'm not making any role claims for myself or saying adam is any role either.)

Derekku/Echo, Straws are better than nothing. If you have anything better than nothing as an argument please present it. Otherwise, Echo seems the most likely to be a Mafia to me.

strager wrote:

Derekku/Echo, Straws are better than nothing.

I agree, even though I got bitched at in Mafia 3 for saying the same thing =|

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Echo, would you consider his buddying too? viewtopic.php?p=155388#p155388

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

strager wrote:

Do you have a brain there Derekku? Can you use it, maybe? =]

I said I've been busy and will post soon. Go bother the other people who haven't posted instead <3

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

A butterfly, duh.

Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

A butterfly, duh.

adam doesn't hang out in the IRL thread.

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I believe he has eyes, which means he can see your avatar :3

*runs*

strager wrote:

Mod: Will the span of a Day increase as the game goes on? Like, if the player count is reduced to 11 go for 5-day Days, and 7 to 7-day Days? Similar expansions for Night?

No, the game will remain at the same deadline length unless I feel a need to extend it. Currently, the length seems to be fine.

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Vote list:
(RV) is random/silly vote
(SV) is serious vote
(?V) no idea
correct me when I'm wrong on this

Day 1
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strager voted rust45 (RV)
strager changed and voted JInxyjem (RV)
rust45 voted 0_o (RV)
JInxyjem voted strager (RV)
adam2046 voted Metruzero (RV)
Echo voted Wojjan (RV)
Metruzero voted Echo (RV)
adam2046 changed and voted Echo (RV)
strager changed again and voted Echo (RV)
Derekku Chan voted strager (RV)
Derekku Chan voted strager even bigger and blue now (RV)
Wojjan voted Echo (RY)
Wojjan changed and voted adam2046 (in the same post) (RV)
thepianist voted Wojjan (RV)
strager changed again again and voted Wojjan (RV)
Lucidity voted thepianist (RV)
Echo changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
adam2046 changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
rust45 changed and voted Echo (RV)
JInxyjem changed and voted rust45 (SV)
DeathxShinigami voted Wojjan (RV)
DeathxShinigami changed and voted thepianist (RV)
thepianist changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
adam2046 changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
DeathxShinigami changed again and voted rust45 (RV)
JInxyjem changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Wojjan changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Pasonia voted thepianist (SV)
Lucidity changed and voted Lucidity (?V)
0_o voted Wojjan (SV)
thepianist changed again and voted rust45 (SV)
adam2046 changed again again AGAIN and voted Echo (SV)
Wojjan changed again again and voted rust45 (SV)
Lucidity changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)
BagelBob voted strager (?V)
rust45 changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)
DeathxShinigami changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Ivalset voted Lucidity (SV)
Echo changed again and voted Wojjan (SV)
adam2046 changed again again AGAIN AGAIN and voted rust45 (SV)
Derekku Chan changed and voted Wojjan (SV)
BagelBob changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
Lucidity changed again again and voted Wojjan (SV)
Wojjan changed again again AGAIN and voted Lucidity (SV)
Pasonia changed and voted adam2046 (SV)
thepianist changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
strager changed again again AGAIN and voted adam2046 (SV)
BagelBob changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)

FINAL VOTECOUNT:
Lucidity - 5 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset, Wojjan, thepianist)
Wojjan - 4 (0_o, Echo, Derekku, Lucidity)
adam2046 - 4 (rust45, Pasonia, strager, Bagelbob)
rust45 - 1 (adam2046)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)

Day 2
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0_o voted for the Unknown Shadow (RV)
strager voted for Echo (SV)
adam2046 voted for Echo (SV)
Metruzero made a rift in time and unvoted some vote that was never made (???)
Metruzero voted Wojjan (RV)
0_o unvoted
DeathxShinigami voted Metruzero (?V)
Echo voted for adam (SV)
0_o changed and voted Echo (SV)
Echo unvoted

TEMPORAL VOTECOUNT:
Echo - 3 (strager, adam2046, 0_o)
Wojjan - 1 (Metruzero)
Metruzero - 1 (DeathxShinigammi)

Day 1

adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with Metruzero      
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with adam2046        Metruzero      
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager         with JInxyjem       
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (2) against strager         with JInxyjem        Derekku_Chan   
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (3) against Echo            with strager         adam2046        Metruzero      
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (1) against Wojjan          with Echo           
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with Echo            thepianist     
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Lucidity        with Echo           
rust45          jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with Metruzero      
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with strager         thepianist     
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (1) against thepianist      with Lucidity       
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (2) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo           
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (1) against rust45          with JInxyjem       
JInxyjem        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (4) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
Pasonia         jumped on bandwagon (1) against thepianist      with Lucidity       
Lucidity        jumped on bandwagon (5) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        adam2046        Echo            Wojjan          thepianist     
0_o             jumped on bandwagon (1) against Wojjan          with strager        
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (1) against rust45          with DeathxShinigami
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with rust45          Metruzero      
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (2) against rust45          with thepianist      DeathxShinigami
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager         with Derekku_Chan   
rust45          jumped on bandwagon (1) against adam2046        with Lucidity       
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (2) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Echo           
Ivalset         jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Echo            DeathxShinigami
Echo            jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with strager         0_o            
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (2) against rust45          with Wojjan          thepianist     
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (3) against Wojjan          with strager         Echo            0_o            
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        DeathxShinigami Ivalset        
Lucidity        jumped on bandwagon (4) against Wojjan          with strager         Echo            Derekku_Chan    0_o            
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (4) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        DeathxShinigami BagelBob        Ivalset        
Pasonia         jumped on bandwagon (1) against adam2046        with rust45         
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (5) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Wojjan          DeathxShinigami BagelBob        Ivalset        
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against adam2046        with rust45          Pasonia        
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (3) against adam2046        with strager         rust45          Pasonia        

Day 2

adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with strager        
0_o             jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with strager         adam2046       

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tl;dr also lol bandwagoning

and wow adam sure does changes his vote a lot *insert suspicion here*

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

Ohh, those posts. I have explanations for those you know. If that's all that gives suspicion on me...

strager wrote:

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

This vote wasn't based on any facts. I didn't really read the other votes yet, and missed out on th fact that 0_o had already 2 votes on him.

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

It was a vote with the majority to move things along to the next day. In the first day, we can't really get a lot of info so I thought we might aswell move on to day 2, with some night actions people can comment/base arguments on. (I was however proven wrong, since that post ironically flared up the discussion :/)

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

This seems to have caused a bit of an uproar, so I have my DSi to blame. This post was made on the day I was on the road all the time, and to not fall behind here, I tried to establish a vote for rust in the 10 minutes I was home, since he was changing votes often, and usually for random reasons that "late" in the game. Yet, my DSi's power has a limit, and non-stop Kirby: Mouse Attack the other day didn't do it well. I lost connection thinking I made my post, and hence I referred to it in the message you quoted.

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

I voted for Lucidity in the way he voted me. If I don't receive any decent arguments to go on, I can't discredit a lot, now can I? Whatever I said and did others did too.

As JInxy can say it nicely

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan.

Lucidity voted for me out of danger to get lynched off himself, not out of decent arguments. The only thing he has, and had repeated oftly, was that

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

You and Wojjan are so suspicious

U. N. Wojjan were suspicious? Yup, just like that. Reasons in the above posts mostly apply to adam instead of both, and

You and adam seem to act in unison

is supposed to pull me into suspicion too. Which apparently worked.

Second, I DID defend myself in this post. After my post, the remnants of Lucidity's arguments idiotic pleas for votechanges were broken down to bite-size feeble nothingness.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

This vote wasn't based on any facts. I didn't really read the other votes yet, and missed out on th fact that 0_o had already 2 votes on him.

Right, which is why I wrote that.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

It was a vote with the majority to move things along to the next day. In the first day, we can't really get a lot of info so I thought we might aswell move on to day 2, with some night actions people can comment/base arguments on. (I was however proven wrong, since that post ironically flared up the discussion :/)

I still don't see how ending the Day early helps.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

This seems to have caused a bit of an uproar, so I have my DSi to blame. This post was made on the day I was on the road all the time, and to not fall behind here, I tried to establish a vote for rust in the 10 minutes I was home, since he was changing votes often, and usually for random reasons that "late" in the game. Yet, my DSi's power has a limit, and non-stop Kirby: Mouse Attack the other day didn't do it well. I lost connection thinking I made my post, and hence I referred to it in the message you quoted.

So you forgot to post something? Why did you have a FOS on rust?

(I have to get off now; will comment on the rest later.)

Adam was "more" buddying than the Pasonia example you gave. Pasonia said "I like strager's logic", whereas Adam said "I'm going to do whatever strager does". But this isn't a good scumtell in this game anyway, like I said in my last post. Too many possibilities of people knowing each other due to roles.

strager wrote:

and that's where you think we somehow know each other are on the same team (e.g. Mafia or Masons as you suggest, or some other role(s))

I never suggested Masons :/

This post and the one after it - why are you so eager to "confirm" to us that you're unrelated?

Ivalset has disappeared on us, as has Pasonia, Metruzero and neo@lex. Metruzero and neo@lex are the most suspicious - they have both made just one useless post per day. I'm picking neo@lex over Metruzero because Metruzero has at least voted - even though they're unjustified.

Vote: neo@lex
FOS: Metruzero

Derekku Chan wrote:

and wow adam sure does changes his vote a lot *insert suspicion here*

I've been suspicious of him for quite some time. And this is not just me saying this, I have made other posts about my suspicion of him, so don't be lazy and look back if you have to.

Vote: Adam

Echo wrote:

Ivalset has disappeared on us, as has Pasonia, Metruzero and neo@lex. Metruzero and neo@lex are the most suspicious - they have both made just one useless post per day. I'm picking neo@lex over Metruzero because Metruzero has at least voted - even though they're unjustified.

You make very good points about my lack of participation, and I would like to apologize about wasting everyone's time in this game. I already sent a PM to Suburu telling her to replace me. Sorry for and inconvenience I posed in this thread.

Starrodkirby86 replaces Metruzero as of now.

Hi Starrod! Try to read as much of the thread as possible before making any calls

YAY! Rod!

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

I voted for Lucidity in the way he voted me. If I don't receive any decent arguments to go on, I can't discredit a lot, now can I? Whatever I said and did others did too.

[...]

Second, I DID defend myself in this post. After my post, the remnants of Lucidity's arguments idiotic pleas for votechanges were broken down to bite-size feeble nothingness.

Normally, when you vote for someone, you see or create arguments against the person you are voting for, before you vote for them. You did so after, you say?

And Lucidity was using other peoples' arguments as reason to vote for you, in addition to her own personal arguments (even if they really aren't arguments; they're still a side to an issue).

Wojjan wrote:

As JInxy can say it nicely

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan.

Lucidity voted for me out of danger to get lynched off himself, not out of decent arguments. The only thing he has, and had repeated oftly, was that

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

You and Wojjan are so suspicious

U. N. Wojjan were suspicious? Yup, just like that. Reasons in the above posts mostly apply to adam instead of both, and

You and adam seem to act in unison

is supposed to pull me into suspicion too. Which apparently worked.

Lucidity's inexperienced. I and someone else have mentioned that she is behaving here like I did in my first game, M2.

Echo wrote:

Adam was "more" buddying than the Pasonia example you gave. Pasonia said "I like strager's logic", whereas Adam said "I'm going to do whatever strager does".

lolz.

It's more like, "strager's doing what I would be doing (or would want to be doing), so I'll just say that and be bashed for apparently buddying etc. etc."

Echo, I know you're not stupid enough to vote for people who aren't very active. That makes you more suspicious in my eyes.

Also, I'm inclined to believe neo@lex is a Mafia with you and you're trying to alleviate suspicion of you two both being Mafia together... (I.e. when one of you dies and is shown to be a Mafia, the other will be less suspicious.) Yes, this is WIFOM, but your choice seems too intentional and too controversial to have no hidden meaning behind it, I think.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand...

Hello, Starrodkirby2046. Don't fail us. =]

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