I will attempt to bring together everything I find suspicious about Lucidity in this post. There are other people I find suspicious and other things that I feel need to be discussed. I will make a separate post about them.
I like to go chronologically, but instead I'm going to start with the post I assume Lucidity is referring to as the beginning of his defense.
Lucidity wrote:
adam2046 wrote:
So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?
This post is interesting for two reasons:
1. He gives no justification for accusing Rust of being mafia.
2. He starts an almost successful bandwagon push to vote me off.
It is of course in the interest of the mafia to get townies lynched. And what better way than a quick bandwagon before anyone knows what's going on? He reacted with shock and outrage at ASH voting strager off in a similar fashion in Mafia 3...Why the change of heart? Voting me while saying "May as well find out" in a nonchalant manner...Ya.
Here, he is trying to relate two things which are not the same. ASH placed the final vote, ending the day, while adam places the second vote, bringing Lucidity to L-7. I'd also like everyone to remember that Lucidity thinks starting a bandwagon is a Scumtell.
Now, this is a curious place to start a defense. Not one hour prior, Lucidity was voting for himself. This action caused 2 people to unvote from Lucidity. That's right, Lucidity defended himself after people started to unvote.
There are a few points in Lucidity's next post as well.
Lucidity wrote:
Furthermore, who says there's even a Jester in the game?
This is an appeal to ignorance. In other words, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
Lucidity wrote:
Like I said before, you're way too confident in your claims to not be suspicious. It looks like you're trying to lock in a non-mafia lynch to me.
Here, Lucidity attacks adam for his confidence. Last time I checked, confidence was not a scumtell. It is also a
very indirect way of saying "I'm not a mafia."
Lucidity wrote:
Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself? And don't give me that WIFOM crap
This is WIFOM, followed directly by stonethrowing against WIFOM. In many of his posts, Lucidity asserts that WIFOM is not a valid argument basically by calling it names.
Lucidity wrote:
Oh come on;p Everyone was joking around (still are). Using WIFOM as a basis for voting is silly. There's absolutely no justification for using that, except paranoia. Or maybe trying to mislead others.
Everyone is still joking around? Didn't Lucidity's actual defense begin in his last post? This is an inconsistency, followed by more stonethrowing at WIFOM, with a hint of ad hominem. There is nothing to prove that WIFOM is silly or that people who use it are paranoid.
Lucidity wrote:
By proving my innocence? haha ;p You and Wojjan are so suspicious -.-
Here, Lucidity provides no proof of adam and Wojjan being suspicious.
In addition, the question about roles could have been answered by reading the rules of the game in the first post.
Lucidity wrote:
Alrighty. That does make the game more interesting 
I assumed strager was joking earlier:
strager wrote:
Role claim: Team Rocket Grunt.
But who knows?!
Something actually valuable. It shall be noted that strager warrants suspicion, and he shall be included in my next post.
Lucidity wrote:
Wojjan wrote:
Also, Lucidity, you could aswell elaborate why you see me and adam as one person.
You and adam seem to act in unison. Both of you are also extremely determined to get rid of me.
Rather than providing evidence, Lucidity repeats himself. Another accusation, again lacking anything to back it up.
Lucidity wrote:
Lucidity, don't act all "you're trying to kill me ;((" since you tried to kill yourself aswell.
This was still part of the joke. I really didn't even know that a role such as the Jester existed until it was pointed out in this thread. I don't expect anyone to believe that, but it's true This is only my second mafia game.
Have you considered that if I were trying to kill myself I would not have voted for myself so early on? My vote pretty much canceled the assault on me. If I were a Jester I would have waited until I could put in the final vote, wouldn't I? At the very least I wouldn't have acted so blatantly to get myself voted...
Here Lucidity claims that voting for himself is just a joke. My question to Lucidity is this: Why is it that your vote for yourself is a joke, and adam and Wojjan's votes are scum-votes trying to quick lynch you? Again, this is followed by WIFOM.
Lucidity wrote:
None of this makes any sense, does it? Maybe it's because it's taken out of context. If you look at my Roleclaim, it was surrounded by other joke posts from every person in the thread. My roleclaim was made as a PS. A PPS "brbsuicide" followed it. I think it's quite clear that it was made in jest (lulpun), just like all the other posts at the time.
Lucidity's "joke post" is the only one on the page. I've yet to find a similar joke.
Lucidity wrote:
These kinds of aggressive remarks and your and adam's determination to get rid of me is what makes me suspicious of you. There's just no way that you can be that confident on the first day without knowing something that the rest of us don't. You also seem to work together. That's why I group you two together. You happy with my explanation?
This time, Lucidity states that being aggressive and determined are scum-tells. That brings the list of attributes to someone who is confident, aggressive, and determined. Personally, this is how I would describe a scum-hunter.
In addition, Lucidity is begging the question.
"You also seem to work together. That's why I group you two together."
This is using the conclusion as the premise.
Lucidity wrote:
Seriously though, this is ridiculously suspicious to me. What does everyone else think? On hindsight, I probably shouldn't have roleclaimed like that, but I urge everyone to look at the surrounding posts...Everyone was joking around. Why would my post be serious?
I believe that this, along with all of the WIFOM and stonethrowing at WIFOM, is trying to confuse everyone. Lucidity even goes as far as to ask other people to come up with explanations for his actions.
Lucidity wrote:
adam2046 wrote:
Mafia are not allowed to discuss until nightime.
Roles aren't specified anywhere...Nice try though.
Oh my gosh, another good point. There could be a roll that has the ability to psychically talk during the day.
Lucidity wrote:
I completely agree with that. And yet all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?
At times like these Ockham's razor jumps to mind.
I guess you could call the first quote WIFOM. It is also condemning WIFOM though. I'm saying that I would not use such an obvious WIFOM strategy, since WIFOM isn't any basis to vote on. I wouldn't expect anyone in the game to vote based on WIFOM. There's also the rather large inconsistency of voting for myself before I got close to being lynched. A Jester would not do that.
Simplicity. "Joking around" is the simplest explanation for my actions, and from a neutral perspective has to be the most likely reason for them.
"That" is Echo's assertion that WIFOM is bad for townies. The tone I get from "all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?" again makes me think that Lucidity is stonethrowing here.
Lucidity brings up Occam's razor without saying what Occam's razor should (in his opinion) be shaved off. In the end, Lucidity says that "Joking around" is the simplest explanation. However, the explanation of "Joking around" is not something that can be proved or disproved, and thus is something that Occam's razor states should be shaved off. It's like Lucidity is trying to throw out fancy terms to confuse everyone.
Even when talking about WIFOM, Lucidity uses WIFOM and even includes some stonethrowing.
Now, in
this post Lucidity is joking around again. Lucidity is not scum-hunting, but creating a distraction and joking around wasting time.
Lucidity wrote:
That makes sense at any stage of the game except (the initial stages of) Day 1.
What is "That"? Also, Lucidity provides no proof that "That" makes sense at some time or doesn't at some other time.
Lucidity wrote:
There is effectively no way to make an informed decision so all the votes are either joke votes or random votes.
This is absolutely incorrect. Bandwagons, along with contradictions, anti-scum-hunting posts, and general things that don't help in any way can lead to suspicion and finding scum on Day 1. Again, it looks like Lucidity is trying to waste time to not get a lynch on Day 1.
Lucidity wrote:
My vote was cast before any real discussion had begun.
In that case, adam and Wojjan's votes were made "before any real discussion had begun" also. There is no difference between Lucidity's vote and adam and Wojjan's vote, yet Lucidity claims her vote was a joke and adam and Wojjan's votes are scummy.
Lucidity wrote:
Possible collusion between adam and Wojjan and definite suspicious activity by Wojjan.
Again, Lucidity does not provide examples, proof.
Lucidity wrote:
This is surely a positive thing for the townies, showing that "Don't vote for yourself" isn't a rule cast in stone never to be challenged. It shouldn't always lead to confusion, unless some players insist that it does.
Here Lucidity states that voting for yourself isn't confusing and that it's the other players who talk about self-votes that confuse. Lucidity is trying to shift the blame off of himself and onto others, an early sign of self-preservation.
Lucidity wrote:
Another thing to consider is that voting for yourself doesn't change anything in the game. Unless you're close to the deadline and stand a real chance of being lynched because of majority vote, your self-vote should have no impact at all.
Again, Lucidity is stating that self-voting is not a bad thing, saying that it "should have no impact at all." Even if this is true, then Lucidity was making useless posts in this game that distracted the town from scum-hunting rather than trying to find scum.
Lucidity wrote:
Tbh WIFOM only exists in the remote regions of a paranoid mind.
Again, Lucidity is stonethrowing against WIFOM combined with ad hominem.
Lucidity wrote:
Meh, too much posting to do. I am writing 2 big exams this week so if you're confused about any of my earlier posts, reread them. I can't explain all of them.
I ask for clarity, Lucidity denies it and give an excuse to set up a period of absence from the game. Lucidity is trying to set up lurking in the near future.
Lucidity wrote:
I'm protecting myself and voting for someone who I think is suspicious and making the more efficient vote.
The second reason is the only valid one.
The first reason is self-preservation. I didn't explain this earlier because I wanted to save it until now, when Lucidity actually admits to it.
The Town wins when all the Mafia are dead.
The Mafia wins if they survive to the point where their numbers equal the Town's.
Townies try to lynch Mafia, Mafia try to survive. That's how this game works and why self-preservation is scummy.
The third reason, the "more efficient vote" is an example of compromise. In this game, since you don't know who you're compromising with, it's probably scum. I've learned this from personal experience.
Lucidity wrote:
As if I weren't posting enough already? I don't think he needed to *nudge* me to post more at all.
Since this is an opinion question, I'd be happy to give you mine. Your post-count in this game is very high. Your post
quality is next to none. You don't need to post more, you need to post relevant things.
Lucidity wrote:
As I said in my previous post, I don't have all the time in the world. Please do take a look at the initial Day 1 posts. ALL of them are pretty much joke posts, are they not? Vote for grammar nazi. Roleclaim: Team Rocket Grunt. etc. I think it's quite clear to see without quoting 20 posts.
RE: adam an Wojjan acting in unison: Read my earlier posts. (I can't quote and requote and requote in every post I make can I?)
RE: Defense post: It starts here doesn't it?
RE: Confusing post: What's confusing about it? Reread it. The two paragraphs weren't written at the same time so they do contain two different trains of thought I guess.
Again, I can't find any joke posts that even come close to yours. As for the two things you mention, rust's post is an example of early ad hominem, and you yourself suggested that strager was being serious.
Also, when I ask for clarity, it's only after reading, re-reading and re-reading again. All you're doing is causing chaos and trying to distract the town from scum-hunting.
And that is why I'm voting for Lucidity.
