I TOLD YOU, MY PC WAS BROKEN DURING SIGNUPS!
It took one week orso to fix, and after that you never showed up again to ask me :(

hey wait a minute, I'm on L1! Take off your vote DxS, I'll play with you next time, I promise I promise I promise! You can pick the team name :3

Don't kill me =((

So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?

adam2046 wrote:

So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?

I think so.

Unvote
Vote Lucidity

May aswell find out.
Unvote
Vote:Lucidity

Rust45 I forgot how much of an ass you are to me in #mod

Unvote

Vote: Rust45

Lucidiy: 3
Rust45: 2

BANDWAGON!
If we are going to kill both, go with the majority.

Unvote rust45
Vote Lucidity


Lucidiy: 4
Rust45: 1

Let's score a majority then, if he'll get lynched anyway. No point in waiting for 2 more days for the deadline to kick in

Vote Lucidity to move things along

Votecount 1:

Lucidity - 5 (Echo, adam2046, thepianist, JInxyjem, Wojjan)
Echo - 2 (Metruzero, rust45)
Wojjan - 1 (strager)
strager - 1 (Derekku)
thepianist - 1 (Lucidity)
rust45 - 1 (DxS)

EDIT: Nevermind.

Vote thepianist. I don't know what's with bandwagoning.

Echo wrote:

Vote: Lucidity
Claiming Mafia is clearly WIFOM.

That does seem very plausible.

Unvote
Vote: Lucidity.

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Unvote
Vote: Echo again.

So if Lucidity is jester, it's in the mafia's best interests to NK her tonight (since the jester loses that way) if she's still alive tomorrow I will lynch her. (and I strongly urge everyone else to do so aswell)

Back to an old vote we go

My FOS on rust still counts,so
vote rust45

Lolzies

Clearly I was just joking around, it is the first day after all

A few bits of interesting info has come as a result of it though.

adam2046 wrote:

So uh...Rust and Lucidity for mafia?

This post is interesting for two reasons:

1. He gives no justification for accusing Rust of being mafia.
2. He starts an almost successful bandwagon push to vote me off.

It is of course in the interest of the mafia to get townies lynched. And what better way than a quick bandwagon before anyone knows what's going on? He reacted with shock and outrage at ASH voting strager off in a similar fashion in Mafia 3...Why the change of heart? Voting me while saying "May as well find out" in a nonchalant manner...Ya.

Wojjan wrote:

Let's score a majority then, if he'll get lynched anyway. No point in waiting for 2 more days for the deadline to kick in

Vote Lucidity to move things along

Wojjan was in Mafia 3 as well where a quick bandwagon vote resulted in a vanilla townie getting killed...Clearly he knows that voting that fast doesn't end well. Why would he encourage the same behavior here? Simple: He knows I'm not mafia and wants to get an easy lynch that benefits the mafia.

adam just becomes more suspicious with each post:

adam2046 wrote:

So if Lucidity is jester, it's in the mafia's best interests to NK her tonight (since the jester loses that way) if she's still alive tomorrow I will lynch her. (and I strongly urge everyone else to do so aswell)

You're very committed to get rid of me, aren't you?: ) How can you have such strong convictions so early in the game? Unless you're privy to information that the rest of us aren't. Information that a member of the mafia would have?

Furthermore, your reasoning for voting me out doesn't make sense. In your post you're convinced that I'm the jester. So you plead with the mafia to NK me, thus eliminating the threat of winning by death to lynching. Fair enough. You then go on to "strongly urge" everyone else to lynch me the following day if the mafia doesn't NK me? Wait wut. What would have changed in that period? If I'm the jester then I still win if you get your way. So that begs the question...Why are you so sure of yourself...?

Then there's thepianist who changes his vote after every post that points a finger at someone...Hmm.

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

Unvote
Vote: adam2046

Mod: I'm not sure if I missed it, but are the roles that are at play in this game given somewhere? (If someone else can answer please do)

If you're the jester it's in the mafia's best interests to kill you off tonight because I would like everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
You see, if you're the jester everyone else loses if you're lynched including the mafia, so if we create a situation where we lynch you tomorrow no matter what the mafia would have to kill you first in order to win.

If you're the roleblocker (I saw no jest in your claim) you will still be alive tomorrow, and we will lynch you (hopefully)

adam2046 wrote:

If you're the jester it's in the mafia's best interests to kill you off tonight because I would like everyone to lynch you tomorrow.
You see, if you're the jester everyone else loses if you're lynched including the mafia, so if we create a situation where we lynch you tomorrow no matter what the mafia would have to kill you first in order to win.

Exactly my point...You're trying to create a situation where I have to be disposed of, whether I'm the Jester or not. If everyone doesn't agree to your plan to lynch me on Day 2 the mafia has no motivation to kill me on Night 1. Furthermore, who says there's even a Jester in the game? Like I said before, you're way too confident in your claims to not be suspicious. It looks like you're trying to lock in a non-mafia lynch to me.

Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself? And don't give me that WIFOM crap

adam2046 wrote:

If you're the roleblocker (I saw no jest in your claim) you will still be alive tomorrow, and we will lynch you (hopefully)

Oh come on;p Everyone was joking around (still are). Using WIFOM as a basis for voting is silly. There's absolutely no justification for using that, except paranoia. Or maybe trying to mislead others.

Furthermore, how can you use WIFOM to accuse me of being both Mafia and a Jester? You're just trying to plant as many seeds of doubt as you can. Scummy scummy behavior :@

*Insert WIFOM crap here*

I think I've proven my point with the above references and accusations.

Lucidity, don't act all "you're trying to kill me ;((" since you tried to kill yourself aswell. You VOTED for you, you claimed Mafia, and now you suddenly turn around, jump the shark, and try to survive.
I think the town won't buy your show and if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL.
Also, vote count plies?

Mod Notes:

1: ANY kind of role could be in this game, and the roles are unknown.

2: If I ever use a Jester, a Jester win does not end the game.

3: Any wins in this game are all equal. There is no "second place".

4: Please bold all votes. (Pasonia)

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Votecount:

rust45 - 3 (DxS, thepianist, Wojjan)
Echo - 3 (Metruzero, rust45, adam2046)
Lucidity - 2 (Echo, JInxyjem)
Wojjan - 2 (strager, 0_o)
strager - 1 (Derekku)
adam2046 - 1 (Lucidity)

Wojjan: Bah you ninja'd my early votecount posting and now it's worthless. WORTHLESS!

Lucidity wrote:

Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself? And don't give me that WIFOM crap

If you are jester, then your behaviour could have been banking on the fact that no one here knows about the jester role (since there are no role lists this game).

EDIT: ninja'd by Suburu
hmm, all wins are equal? OK in that case I doubt we have a jester, since the main obstacle of being a jester is not letting the mafia know about you, since the mafia would be motivated to kill you so they don't lose. Without the mafia's motivation to kill the jester, the role would be too easy to win with.

You're killing me here Subi ...

adam2046 wrote:

You're killing me here Subi ...

By proving my innocence? haha ;p You and Wojjan are so suspicious -.-

LadySuburu wrote:

1: ANY kind of role could be in this game, and the roles are unknown.

Mod: Could you post a list of all the kind of roles that could possibly be in here? What's the overall list you're working from? There are many different game setups out there :O For instance if I've played a game with an elf character who has this and that ability, but no one else has played with that char before they wouldn't know about it...

So a list that specifies all the possible roles so everyone's on the same page would be great

haha...yeah.

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Yaay, Bobby Stars is here, now we'll all have fun.

Also, Lucidity, you could aswell elaborate why you see me and adam as one person.

Lucidity wrote:

Mod: Could you post a list of all the kind of roles that could possibly be in here? What's the overall list you're working from? There are many different game setups out there :O For instance if I've played a game with an elf character who has this and that ability, but no one else has played with that char before they wouldn't know about it...

So a list that specifies all the possible roles so everyone's on the same page would be great

Sorry, but no. With the roles being unknown, someone could claim any role with any power. After that, it'll be up to you to believe them or not. Of course, any actual actions that are done have to be within the scope of your powers, but you can claim to be able to do whatever you want. inb4postclaimingtobeabletodowhatevertheywant

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I missed a couple pages, anyway, unvote
Vote:adam For randomly thinking I was mafia. Seems as though he wants to dispose of me.

Mm...I see how this works now...but rather a bit to late for me to make a change.

unvote

Vote: Ludicity

rust, if I wanted to dispose of you, I'd be voting for you...

I've made a minor change to a few people's roles. I sent PMs to those who have been affected.

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Mafia are not allowed to discuss until nightime.

*was busy moving furniture and shit even though it's a holiday*

Aaaaand anything I was going to say has already been said. WIFOM, Jester, cherry cheesecake, etc.

I'll check back later~

adam2046 wrote:

Mafia are not allowed to discuss until nightime.

Roles aren't specified anywhere...Nice try though.

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Wojjan seems to be reffering to the town as "we"
"I think the town won't buy your show and if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL."
he's talking in the future tense and predicting what will happen: The town wont believe you so if the mafia don't kill you "we" (being the town) will.
It's really quite clear.
He didn't say the town wouldn't lynch.

I'm not going to talk about your accusation because we all know where that'll lead us (Mafia 2 "but you said it" "k I'm it then" "k you're mafia" "alright then I'm not" "but you said-" "ALRIGHT I AM" "no you're not, yes you are" "SHUT THE FUCK UP!")
Hint: I'm not

I really don't think IMO that anyone would claim to be mafia like that even as a joke unless they're an idiot ^_^
So for me those are the only 2 immediate (find me some others k?) possibilities.

I do find Wojjan quite suspicious (reasons listed by absolutely everyone too boring to make people read them again)
Unvote
Back to voting Rust

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Lucidity wrote:

Echo wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious? Roleclaim mafia to get voted and then vote for myself?

Lucidity wrote:

Using WIFOM as a basis for voting is silly. There's absolutely no justification for using that, except paranoia. Or maybe trying to mislead others.

I sense inconsistency.

Where ? :<

The first quote is WIFOM, while the second is condemning WIFOM.

"Have you considered that if I actually were the Jester that I wouldn't make it that obvious?"

Yes. But then you'd have know that, so that's why you did it. But you counted on us thinking that which means you know we won't think you're the Jester. But you would have counter-countered us so you *are* the Jester etc. etc.

WIFOM is bad for townies because all it does is lead you to an endless loop of thoughts which ultimately gets resolved by a *guess* at what you think the other person is more likely to do. That undermines the point of the game. It derails the thoughts of people and makes them focus on useless guesswork. WIFOM distracts people, and therefore scum can use it to misdirect townies. Townies should avoid WIFOM. There is no point in using it.

I completely agree with that. And yet all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?

At times like these Ockham's razor jumps to mind.

I guess you could call the first quote WIFOM. It is also condemning WIFOM though. I'm saying that I would not use such an obvious WIFOM strategy, since WIFOM isn't any basis to vote on. I wouldn't expect anyone in the game to vote based on WIFOM. There's also the rather large inconsistency of voting for myself before I got close to being lynched. A Jester would not do that.

Simplicity. "Joking around" is the simplest explanation for my actions, and from a neutral perspective has to be the most likely reason for them.

My initial vote remains, after all these discussion.

I see no reason to change my vote.

I have no idea what just happened but I will keep my vote for lucidity. Who the heck cares if we let the jester win? Personally, I see no problem.

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Lucidity wrote:

I completely agree with that. And yet all the votes against me are based on WIFOM?

At times like these Ockham's razor jumps to mind.

I guess you could call the first quote WIFOM. It is also condemning WIFOM though. I'm saying that I would not use such an obvious WIFOM strategy, since WIFOM isn't any basis to vote on. I wouldn't expect anyone in the game to vote based on WIFOM. There's also the rather large inconsistency of voting for myself before I got close to being lynched. A Jester would not do that.

Simplicity. "Joking around" is the simplest explanation for my actions, and from a neutral perspective has to be the most likely reason for them.

Would you please stop saying WIFOM, I think the entire point of this post was to see how many times you could say WIFOM in one post.

So anyway if you had read my posts in the other thread I told everyone that I found anyone who voted themselves suspicious on the grounds that humans should not vote themselves even as a joke.

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adam2046 wrote:

So anyway if you had read my posts in the other thread I told everyone that I found anyone who voted themselves suspicious on the grounds that humans should not vote themselves even as a joke.

Why should townies not vote for themselves even as a joke? Other than getting the WIFOM fanatics all fired up, there's no logical "sinister plan" that accompanies such a vote, is there?

Also, WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

PS WIFOM.

PPS Role Claim: Cop. I investigated myself and found me not guilty. Joy ^_^

If you were a townie and voted for yourself, that would not be a pro-town action. You would be creating confusion, which hinders the mafia-finding process. As a pro-town member, you should be ultimately trying to secure a victory for the town, and voting for yourself does not help that in anyway.

While joke voting of course doesn't generally lead to assured things, voting for yourself assuredly leads to a situation undesirable for the town, assuming you are a townie. And why would you do that?!

*drinks the beer in front of him*

That makes sense at any stage of the game except (the initial stages of) Day 1. There is effectively no way to make an informed decision so all the votes are either joke votes or random votes. My vote was cast before any real discussion had begun. It wasn't its intended effect, but it got discussion going and even (In my mind) provided some valuable information to the game. Possible collusion between adam and Wojjan and definite suspicious activity by Wojjan. This is surely a positive thing for the townies, showing that "Don't vote for yourself" isn't a rule cast in stone never to be challenged. It shouldn't always lead to confusion, unless some players insist that it does.

Another thing to consider is that voting for yourself doesn't change anything in the game. Unless you're close to the deadline and stand a real chance of being lynched because of majority vote, your self-vote should have no impact at all. No character other than the Jester benefits from being lynched. The Jester wouldn't vote for himself at any other stage than L-1 though. In the end voting for yourself is an odd thing to do, but ultimately has no effect on the game. Of course there are various scenarios later on in the game which might invalidate that statement, but certainly on Day 1 it is true. Or is my logic completely wrong?

Is it really so hard to believe that my role claim was a joke? :p Yeah, I won't be doing it in any future games and I'm learning as I go, but I still can't see why it's such a scummy action. Even after all these pages.

Mod: Could we have a vote count please?

Wojjan: Mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to roleclaim themselves. I believe that you're just trying to push as much suspicion onto Lucidity as you can to remove people's suspicion of you.

Unvote.
Vote: Wojjan

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Tbh WIFOM only exists in the remote regions of a paranoid mind.

Echo wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

The Jester wouldn't vote for himself at any other stage than L-1 though.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to roleclaim themselves.

What are these quotes called again? Starts with W, ends with M, etc., etc.

>_> Regardless, there's no point at all to claim mafia other than to joke around or be stupid. Or unless one really is mafia and just doesn't want to play but then fuck them for signing up in the first place XP

Wait, are you guys still thinking there's a jester this game? With LS's clarified rules I seriously doubt it..'

also still voting Wojjan

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Votecount:

Wojjan - 4 (strager, 0_o, Echo, Derekku)
Lucidity - 3 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset)
rust45 - 3 (thepianist, Wojjan, adam2046)
adam2046 - 2 (Lucidity, rust45)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)
strager - 1 (Bagelbob)
thepianist - 1 (Pasonia)

Edit: I think some of my votecount vanished... I'm rechecking it now.
Edit2: Yeah, somehow adam dissapeared off the face of the earth. Fix'd.
Edit3: Corrected order.

Wojjan - 4 (strager, 0_o, Echo, Derekku)
Lucidity - 3 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset)
rust45 - 3 (thepianist, Wojjan, adam2046)
adam2046 - 2 (Lucidity, rust45)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)
strager - 1 (Bagelbob)
thepianist - 1 (Pasonia)

I'm pretty sure this is right.

Remember it's 9 to lynch

EDIT: GAH NINJA'D
EDIT2: wait, did you forget about this LS?
adam2046 - 2 (Lucidity, rust45)

Subi just doesn't want me to die ^_^

OK, today I've made it as far as Pasonia's post on Page 9 and now you're making my head hurt. There's a few things I want to say now, before I attempt to go on.

@Lucidity
Your posts are full of WIFOM, thus making things more confusing and wasting valuable time.
You claim that WIFOM is not a good reason to vote for someone.
Mafia commonly use WIFOM as a delaying tactic in order to stifle discussion.
You accuse without evidence. Quote, or at least link to the posts where you accuse people of committing <Action>.

@Wojjan
Can you explain why you thought you were at L-1?
I've got my eye on you.

@Echo
I know you're a smart person. However, in this post you don't show signs of thinking clearly.

Wojjan wrote:

I think the town won't buy your show and if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL.

This compound sentence can easily be broken down into two parts
"I think the town won't buy your show" (Wojjan thinks that the town won't believe that Lucidity is town-aligned)
and
"if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL." (we, in this clause, is everyone who is not part of Mafia)

In addition, I feel that

Wojjan wrote:

Let's score a majority then, if he'll get lynched anyway. No point in waiting for 2 more days for the deadline to kick in. Vote Lucidity to move things along

does more to spur on discussion than suppress it. Wojjan here is putting the pressure on Lucidity. This vote makes end-of-day-lynching Lucidity possible, forcing Lucidity to post more.

@Everyone
Claiming Mafia is WIFOM.
Claiming Mafia draws attention to yourself.
Townies should not lie, lying is something that only Mafia need to do, Pasonia.

FOS Wojjan
FOS Echo
FOS strager

Unvote: Strager
Vote: Lucidity

BagelBob wrote:

@Lucidity:
You accuse without evidence. Quote, or at least link to the posts where you accuse people of committing <Action>.

I've quoted every post I've referenced...

You seem to have a very formulaic approach to the game. Are there really absolute "laws" in this game?

Unvote
Vote: Wojjan.

Still got mah eye on you adam ;p

BagelBob wrote:

@Wojjan
Can you explain why you thought you were at L-1?

I think he was confused because he's used to the smaller mafia games, where it's 5 to lynch on day 1. I guess he had 4 votes on him when he said that.

Well you should try to understand the human mind when playing these.
People who are town are fighting to kill the mafia and will do everyting in their power to weed them out and kill them.
People who are mafia work to confuse the town in order to shroud their own actions to kill the town.
So when operating as either side they should follow general guidelines, such as, being clear in what you say if you are human, if a person is being confusing all game you should suspect them, as they are not helping the human cause that way.

aaaaand I don't feel like writing anymore so whatever.

I missed like six pages and had to read them all in one go. Yikes.

Some key things I wish to add:

adam's decision to vote for Lucidity D2 if he isn't NK'd N1 is this:

Mafia want to be the only ones who win. They don't want a Jester to win. Also, if Lucidity turns up a Townie, that's still good news for them.

If Lucidity is a Mafia, he wouldn't be NK'd except in some strange universe. Thus, he would be alive for D2, thus resulting in a lynch by this reasoning.

Of course, there's some WIFOM involved (sorry). Mafia could NOT NK Lucidity N1 even if he wasn't a Mafia, and kill someone else. In that case by adam's reasoning Lucidity would be lynched D2. It's a win-win for the Mafia there.

So, I've got my eye on you, adam, though I do see the initial innocence in this logic.

To clarify what LS meant, if a Jester wins, that doesn't mean everyone else loses. The only win which causes a loss is a Townie or Mafia win, in which case the other side loses.

Echo wrote:

strager please explain your "serious vote" for those less gifted among us

For you, Echo...

You got seriously troll'd.

Kinda.

Whatever.

By convincing arguments of others I hold my vote against Wojjan.

I consider a shared win a loss no matter what.
Cause I'm a dick, ya' know?

Why can't we all just get along~

in b4 someone suggest a mafia/town win

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And Farewell Wojjan.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

And Farewell Wojjan.

What?

Lucidity wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

@Lucidity:
You accuse without evidence. Quote, or at least link to the posts where you accuse people of committing <Action>.

I've quoted every post I've referenced...

You seem to have a very formulaic approach to the game. Are there really absolute "laws" in this game?

Unvote
Vote: Wojjan.

Still got mah eye on you adam ;p

I lol'd.


You knew wojjan was 1 vote higher than you so when Bagel evened out the votes, you decided to up wojjan a notch by voting for him. Mafia, no?

I take back my attack against the first quote I quoted of Wojjan. I guess I wasn't thinking too clearly, but rereading it now makes sense.

strager wrote:

adam's decision to vote for Lucidity D2 if he isn't NK'd N1 is this:

Mafia want to be the only ones who win. They don't want a Jester to win. Also, if Lucidity turns up a Townie, that's still good news for them.

If Lucidity is a Mafia, he wouldn't be NK'd except in some strange universe. Thus, he would be alive for D2, thus resulting in a lynch by this reasoning.

Of course, there's some WIFOM involved (sorry).

First, you're defending adam for him.

Second, it's not just "some" WIFOM - this whole reasoning is WIFOM. If Lucidity is townie, then the Mafia just have to not kill him tonight to get a free townie lynch on D2. Which means if Lucidity is alive tomorrow, he's obviously townie. But the Mafia would know that, so if Lucidity is Mafia they don't have anything to worry about etc. etc.

Third and the most important - don't forget adam was the first one to even bring up the idea that a Jester is in this game. Adam introduces the idea that Lucidity is somehow the Jester, which then he uses as justification for killing Lucidity D1 or D2. Sounds like he's trying to set up a lynch to me.

With that reasoning, I think Lucidity is innocent. strager just jumped up a notch on my suspicion list. see following posts

Wait...I thought he was accusing me.

If he was accusing you, then meh *edits post*

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Wait wait wait, did I miss something? Is Lucidity suddenly the general force of truth that should be listened to at all times? Because seeing as his argument is only based on things I said and others said aswell, I don't see why his suspicion is on me.

vote: Lucidity if I haven't done so already

Meh, too much posting to do. I am writing 2 big exams this week so if you're confused about any of my earlier posts, reread them. I can't explain all of them.

JInxyjem wrote:

I lol'd.


You knew wojjan was 1 vote higher than you so when Bagel evened out the votes, you decided to up wojjan a notch by voting for him. Mafia, no?

How is that a Mafia action?

1. I suspect both adam and Wojjan of being Mafia.
2. The votes with adam don't seem to be going anywhere.
3. I'm in real danger of being voted off.
4. Every player in the game wants to stay in it.
5. I don't want to be in a situation where someone jumps ship and I'm gone.
6. I want a Mafia player to be voted off.
7. Thus my vote is worth most with Wojjan.

i.e. I'm protecting myself and voting for someone who I think is suspicious and making the more efficient vote.

Sure if I were Mafia I could do the same, but it's definitely not suspicious behavior by any means?

Nice try. However:

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan. Your post just had a quote from bagelbob.

So after I pointed it out, you quickly added your suspicions as excuses.

BagelBob wrote:

In addition, I feel that

Wojjan wrote:

Let's score a majority then, if he'll get lynched anyway. No point in waiting for 2 more days for the deadline to kick in. Vote Lucidity to move things along

does more to spur on discussion than suppress it. Wojjan here is putting the pressure on Lucidity. This vote makes end-of-day-lynching Lucidity possible, forcing Lucidity to post more.

As if I weren't posting enough already? I don't think he needed to *nudge* me to post more at all. Furthermore, he was part of Newbie Mafia 3 on these forums where such a bandwagon vote occurred, which was not beneficial to the townies at all. Why would he make the same mistake again.

BagelBob wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

None of this makes any sense, does it? Maybe it's because it's taken out of context. If you look at my Roleclaim, it was surrounded by other joke posts from every person in the thread.

Can you produce any of these posts or people?

As I said in my previous post, I don't have all the time in the world. Please do take a look at the initial Day 1 posts. ALL of them are pretty much joke posts, are they not? Vote for grammar nazi. Roleclaim: Team Rocket Grunt. etc. I think it's quite clear to see without quoting 20 posts.

RE: adam an Wojjan acting in unison: Read my earlier posts. (I can't quote and requote and requote in every post I make can I?)

RE: Defense post: It starts here doesn't it?

RE: Confusing post: What's confusing about it? Reread it. The two paragraphs weren't written at the same time so they do contain two different trains of thought I guess.

JInxyjem wrote:

Nice try. However:

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan. Your post just had a quote from bagelbob.

So after I pointed it out, you quickly added your suspicions as excuses.

What ? Please read this whole thread. My very first serious post states:

Lucidity wrote:

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

Unvote
Vote: adam2046

It can be found here.

All my follow up posts deal with Wojjan's suspicious activity.

PS. Can someone please tell me how to link to specific posts like BagelBob does?

There's a small page icon in the upper right hand corner of each post, next to the date/time of posting. Click on that (or just copy the link directly).

Ah, thanks

I subscribe to strager's logic.

Unvote vote adam2046.

Wojjan wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

So that's very aggressive. Think more happy thoughts ^_^ So let's say the Mafia doesn't kill me...And you do. That means I win right? Why would you go and do that if you honestly thought I was the Jester? The only explanation is that you don't think I am the Jester and want to kill a townie...

The Mafia knows they lose if you don't get killed tonight. If the Mafia doesn't, we're in the very unlikely scenario in which you are Mafia. You wouldn't kill yourself.

IF we dont lynch him AND he isnt NK'd, he MUST be mafia/jester

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... se_dilemma

try again


*reads the rules carefully*
welp, nothing about nonplayers not posting

I forget what exactly strager's logic is, it's kinda confusing.

Votecount:

Wojjan - 5 (strager, 0_o, Echo, Derekku, Lucidity)
Lucidity - 5 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset, BagelBob, Wojjan)
rust45 - 2 (thepianist, adam2046)
adam2046 - 2 (rust45, Pasonia)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)

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I'm on two...you really don't want me to die, do you?

Also, adam, why are you voting for rust? Did I miss some important detail?

Wojjan wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

adam2046 - 1 (rust45, Pasonia)

lol

Also, why am I in front?

Fix'd adam's votecount.

You're in front because you hit five votes first, therefore it will be you lynched at deadline if nothing happened from now till then.

So if someone would unvote and vote me again Lucidity would be in front?

Mhmm. Remember, in the case of a tie, first to reach that # of votes is the one lynched.

Just keeping my vote on someone I feel uneasy about.

I still don't like Lucidity more so far. The logic occasionally sounds too forced, and I don't want to vote Wojjan yet either. Both seem too neutral...

Wojjan wrote:

I think the town won't buy your show and if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL.

That's gives the impression Wojjan is a townie. So, that vote can be stalled.

BUT WAIT

rust45 wrote:

Your lying and I can tell. No one would just go out and say that they were the Mafia Roleblocker.

Now in the rare chance that Ludicity WAS the jester, it would have worked. Kind of. But unless you were in the Mafia you wouldn't know for sure that someone was a roleblocker. I think, right? Someone enlighten me on that point.

Then again, it could've been just a guess, and you haven't really said anything after that. I'll wait. Plus I'm not sure about the mafia role stuff - someone could tell me later? Please? I don't want to make a mistake and kill a townie. That would be bad.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

So that's very aggressive. Think more happy thoughts ^_^ So let's say the Mafia doesn't kill me...And you do. That means I win right? Why would you go and do that if you honestly thought I was the Jester? The only explanation is that you don't think I am the Jester and want to kill a townie...

The Mafia knows they lose if you don't get killed tonight. If the Mafia doesn't, we're in the very unlikely scenario in which you are Mafia. You wouldn't kill yourself.

IF we dont lynch him AND he isnt NK'd, he MUST be mafia/jester

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... se_dilemma

try again


*reads the rules carefully*
welp, nothing about nonplayers not posting

I think I already pointed that out as a WIFOM situation. This reasoning is what supports Pasonia's vote against adam.

Wojjan, I am greatly interested in hearing your defense for the attacks against you. If you were of ANY alignment (Mafia, Jester, Townie, something else) it doesn't help your team at all if you don't defend yourself. So if you're a Townie, please do. =]

I am more suspicious of adam than Wojjan at this point, but I don't want to get Lucidity lynched because she seems to be acting as I did back in M2, and I sympathize. So, I'll keep the votes tied because that'd result in a Wojjan lynch more than a Lucidity lynch.

(I'll go through my notes later; I'm not at my computer right now so I don't have my detailed analyses of players and things.)

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strager, I've got nothing to defend against except literal interpretations of my words and WIFOMs. I CAN'T defend myself because there's no real argument in play.

Also, I don't believe the Lucidity = Jester thing anymore. It seems pretty convincinhg that he's not, but I'm not yet sure wether he's mafia or not. We'll find out, since he'll die at the deadline thanks to thepianist.