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Some bandwagonning analysis:

0_o: 3, 2, 3
adam: 2, 2, 2
LS: 3
Pasonia: -
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
SFG: 4, 3, 4
strager: 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2
Wojjan: 3, 2, 2

Bandwagonner on the left, number of votes after bandwagon on the right. Vote counts are ordered chronologically.

SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
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LadySuburu wrote:

SFG: Do you think any instance of tying votes is scummy, or only a repeated action?

rust45's consistant use of tying the votes is what made me suspicious, especially after the vote-tying game had ended and he seemed to have adopted it for rational use.

so i guess my problem with rust's vote-tying is that he seemed to be doing it seriously rather than for fun, as judged by the tone of his posts.
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strager wrote:

SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
ok let me give you the reasoning behind the L-1 bandwagoning.

anyone who lays a fifth vote on that person is scum.

there are two scum and five nonscum.

therefore if we lose one nonscum and kill a scum in the process, things are good. if not, we dont lose the nonscum cus no one jumped on the bandwagon.

i am, of course, assuming we dont have any ASH's in here, based on the player lineup.
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

rust45's consistant use of tying the votes is what made me suspicious, especially after the vote-tying game had ended and he seemed to have adopted it for rational use.
If someone else had been the last to post a tie-ing vote, would you be somewhat suspicious of them?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

so i guess my problem with rust's vote-tying is that he seemed to be doing it seriously rather than for fun, as judged by the tone of his posts.
This post makes it sound like fun: viewtopic.php?p=152646#p152646
This one as well: viewtopic.php?p=153080#p153080
Others not as much, but still.

I do have to agree that behind these posts are possibly dangerous consequences.
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
ok let me give you the reasoning behind the L-1 bandwagoning.

anyone who lays a fifth vote on that person is scum.

there are two scum and five nonscum.

therefore if we lose one nonscum and kill a scum in the process, things are good. if not, we dont lose the nonscum cus no one jumped on the bandwagon.

i am, of course, assuming we dont have any ASH's in here, based on the player lineup.
WIFOM?

The last person to vote should have to be well convinced, otherwise it's blatant accidental posting or blatant Mafia claiming. Based on how convinced he is you could vote to lynch him. Of course, if you were one of the people to vote for the one who was lynched, you would be suspicious too (albeit not as suspicious as the last voter).

So... Basically, voting patterns aren't the determining factor for Mafia, which is what you're implying. Pointing that out makes it seem you want someone other than you lynched. Hmm...
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LadySuburu wrote:

Everyone: Who do you think is mafia right now? Are you satisfied with your current vote?

i suspect rust45 and strager of being mafia, but i really want to know more about kuwarudo and everyone else before anything major happens. i cant remember seeing much of adam, you and 0_o seem kinda meh....im missing two players oh PASONIA. Pas needs to post more...who was the other player?

alright point taken im not as involved in this game as i should be. *sigh* i promise ill make a suspicion list with reasons a la WW3-R once i get unswamped with modding ok?
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LadySuburu wrote:

1: Changing votes a lot (wishy-washy voting) is a known scum-tell. You've got a pretty high rating for this
Yup.

LadySuburu wrote:

expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.
This one? viewtopic.php?p=151854#p151854

LadySuburu wrote:

Another known scum indicator is being third or fourth on a bandwagon. You, rust and SFG seem high up there.
Yup.

LadySuburu wrote:

2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
You just said so yourself.

LadySuburu wrote:

How dangerous do you see L-2?
If it's all random votes, I have my eye on it closely in case something happens. Otherwise L-2 isn't too much of an issue.
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LadySuburu wrote:

expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.
I should've phrased this better. Based on your bandwagoning chart. I was counting my edit of your chart as still yours.



LadySuburu wrote:

2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
I said it is. That doesn't mean you see it as such. Key word: personally



As for the rest: Mmk.


Edit while previewing:

rust45: You wouldn't screw the game up by getting a "No Lynch", but you would make it harder on the town.
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LadySuburu wrote:

rust45: You wouldn't screw the game up by getting a "No Lynch", but you would make it harder on the town.
True, that's why I changed my mind.
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LadySuburu wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
I said it is. That doesn't mean you see it as such. Key word: personally
By saying "You just said so yourself." I was agreeing with you.
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strager (2) - adam, LadySuburu
kuwarudo (2) - Wojjan, 0_o
SFG (2) - kuwarudo, strager
0_o (1) - Pasonia
rust45 (1) - SFG

Not voting: rust45
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Echo wrote:

votes fixed Not yet, 0_o unvoted a while ago.
You messed up the votes for SFG
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You know, I think I'm starting to suspect, Wojjan, kuu, and adam, they haven't discussed recently, maybe they're trying to make sure they don't slip something up, but even if it's possible, one of them can't be Mafia.
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rust45 wrote:

You know, I think I'm starting to suspect, Wojjan, kuu, and adam, they haven't discussed recently, maybe they're trying to make sure they don't slip something up, but even if it's possible, one of them can't be Mafia.
Or they have different timezones.
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I think Echo's latest vote count is wrong. 0_o unvoted here: viewtopic.php?p=153244#p153244

It'd be cool if your vote was bold and the first thing on the line so it's more noticable.
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I'm not you, remember?
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Yeah, I think adam is stable.
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Vote: Pasonia Now that I think about, why would the mafia care who gets lynched in the first day? Unless of course they suspect someone of being a cop or doctor.
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rust45 wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Pasonia Now that I think about, why would the mafia care who gets lynched in the first day? Unless of course they suspect someone of being a cop or doctor.
Or they are busy IRL.
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Well, if they come and post, and defend well, maybe I'll retract my vote.
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SFG (2) - kuwarudo, strager
Pasonia (2) - adam, rust45
strager (1) - LadySuburu
kuwarudo (1) - Wojjan
0_o (1) - Pasonia
rust45 (1) - SFG

Not voting: 0_o

Should be correct now.
Wojjan
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I've read through the majority, and the main thing that caught my eye is the
Strager and SFG distancing power hour

Seriously, the only reason to keep the argument up for so long is to make clear (or to fail in making clear) that you have no connection whatsoever. I won't say you are the only ones that are suspicious, but I'd have to use too many FOSes to point out everyone

vote: SFG for taking one little thing into enormous proportions. He was JOKING, all his posts are in such a formal and tactful matter.
HOS: strager for taking the argument too far, right after the "hey SFG lets trade votes lol" phase.
FOS: rust45 for acting a little weird once accused of being Mafia. Your writing style suddenly changed, and you were all around more insincere.

That's the top three on my list. I know a top 3 doesn't make sense with 2 scummies, but that way if one of my XOSes turns out townie, I still have a lead to go on
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Also, inb4bandwagon since I explained my reasoning.
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Wojjan wrote:

Strager
...

Wojjan wrote:

HOS: strager for taking the argument too far, right after the "hey SFG lets trade votes lol" phase.
What is "HOS" ? Also, how did I take the argument too far?
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You forgot something..

The Game Setup wrote:

In addition, in keeping with the story, the mafia members will not know who the other person is.

The Mafia PM wrote:

Win Condition: You win when you are the only Mafia left in the game and you represent at least half of all living players.
So distancing is a non-issue this game; they don't know who the other is and they are against eachother

EDIT:

strager wrote:

What is "HOS" ?
Hand of Suspicion (FOS*5) :O

also inb4 lame remark on knowing the mafia PM -_-
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I completely forgot about that new rule. So far for all the Mafia strategy I know :(
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Wojjan wrote:

Your writing style suddenly changed, and you were all around more insincere.
When was I sincere? Actually, I would like a full reason as to why you suspect me, I started posting differently because I started to take this more seriously then I was before, but I still don't know when I was being sincere.
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Maybe sincere isn't exactly the right word. In your previous post you spoke in a more... business-like way. When you were accused, you changed from formal to somewhat uncanny. It's only an FOS, don't worry about it ;P
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Wojjan wrote:

Seriously, the only reason to keep the argument up for so long is to make clear (or to fail in making clear) that you have no connection whatsoever. I won't say you are the only ones that are suspicious, but I'd have to use too many FOSes to point out everyone

that would make perfect sense except for the fact that the mafia have no idea who each other are.

Edit: oh i see someone already pointed that out...thnx 0_o... *disappears into the abyss of L-2*
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thank you for pointing that out after 0_o has pointed that out
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Wojjan wrote:

thank you for pointing that out after 0_o has pointed that out
gimme a break, i wake up and go tackle all night posts one by one in the order they appear and merge later.
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break given.
Unvote
LadySuburu
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Questions:

Did anyone but strager himself actually read my strager case? I'm just curious, as nobody commented on it, and there's little discussion going on now.

If we had to lynch someone due to deadline, who should it be, assuming no additional meaningful discussion happens between now and then?

Mod: Prod anyone who hasn't posted within prod hours please.
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I'm not gonna vote today, since this RVS is going rather out of hand. I won't be around for a while either tomorrow, so please keep that in mind. Well, my posting will all depend on the situation. I'm moving, you know.
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Ouch.

Unvote vote rust45.

P.S.: Jeez.
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...
I hate you so much Pas.
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Pasonia wrote:

Ouch.

Unvote vote rust45.

P.S.: Jeez.
Now what would be your reason for voting for me when no one else had voted for me after I defending myself. (Except for SFG but she voted for me before I defened my self) I keeping my vote one you for this reason.
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rust45 wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

Ouch.

Unvote vote rust45.

P.S.: Jeez.
Now what would be your reason for voting for me when no one else had voted for me after I defending myself. (Except for SFG but she voted for me before I defened my self) I keeping my vote one you for this reason.
This is because you also voted me without due reason. I have kept my activity minimal just to see what happens, and I am less than happy when I get voted without a due reason attached.
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Pasonia wrote:

I have kept my activity minimal just to see what happens

im not sure whether thats brilliant or stupid, since the people who talk are the ones who get lynched (i mean hey lookit me i talk a lot and im L-2 -_- for like the third time), but it also puts us in a really bad situation on Day 3 (assuming no mafia killed)

wait i just thought of something

mod: will LyLo be announced considering that we aren't allowed to know the ID's of the people who died, and telling us will show us how many mafia are dead?


...back to @Personia, not speaking seems to be working as a self-preservation tactic that helps you as a person but harms the town. Therefore i would say that unless you are mafia, this is not a good tactic to use.

shut up about WIFOM, im trying to persuade him rather than convict him.
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Woot! Less garbage here than in BM1!

0_o wrote:

I also want to point something out about strager though..

strager wrote:

So what's everyone's guess on the roles?

I'm thinking like M2: Two Mafia, one Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies.

strager wrote:

Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?
Why is strager bringing up the cop so much? Is he trying to make us believe he is the cop? This is confusing me because he knows how well bringing up the doctor went in M2... so FOS strager
First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.

Second post was to figure out if investigations could performed on a dead person. Simple as that. I know only a Cop would really want to know, but it could help us later because only a Cop would know the alignment of anyone, but cannot if they were lynched D1. So you can check a Cop's claims against what is possible.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

mod: will LyLo be announced considering that we aren't allowed to know the ID's of the people who died, and telling us will show us how many mafia are dead?
Could you explain a situation where LyLo is possible?
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strager wrote:

First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.
Actually:

The Game Setup wrote:

This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.
So Echo had no say in what setup was used.

strager wrote:

Second post was to figure out if investigations could performed on a dead person. Simple as that. I know only a Cop would really want to know, but it could help us later because only a Cop would know the alignment of anyone, but cannot if they were lynched D1. So you can check a Cop's claims against what is possible.
Fair enough. I didn't really find this post suspicious as much as the fact that you brought up the Cop so much (nice Echo, now you got me paranoid about that stuff :P)

Could you explain a situation where LyLo is possible?
I think this game is weird that way, even in a situation where there are 2 mafia and 3 townies, the game would not be at LyLo because the mafia can't win without killing the other. So I think the only possible LyLo situation is 1 mafia, 2 (or 3) humans.
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0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.
Actually:

The Game Setup wrote:

This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.
So Echo had no say in what setup was used.
Oh, right. Well just a guess, then. xD

0_o wrote:

So I think the only possible LyLo situation is 1 mafia, 2 (or 3) humans.
Oh, I see. What about two Mafias and one Townie? Lynch goes to one of the Mafias and the kill goes for the Townie. Or, the Lynch goes to the Townie and it's a draw between the two Mafia, and the Town loses.

Two Mafias and two Townies: Lynch Mafia is other Mafia win. Lynch Townie is Mafia tie as well.

Two Mafias, one Vanilla Townie, one Doctor: Lynch Mafia, and Townie is protected, results in LyLo (again). Lynch either Townie and Mafia tie.

Perhaps some other situations I'm missing.

By "Mafia tie" this assumes one Mafia doesn't give up the game for the other.
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SFG (3) - kuwarudo, strager, 0_o
Pasonia (2) - adam, rust45
rust45 (2) - SFG, Pasonia
strager (1) - LadySuburu

Not voting: Wojjan

Day 1 ends in 29 hours!
-- SFG is at L-2!

LyLo will not be announced.
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You missed my vote of SFG
viewtopic.php?p=154863#p154863

Fixed, thank you.
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Am I invisible? *waves hand in front of face* No? I can see myself.

So, I think you all can see me too. Or at least my posts. So I'd like everyone who my last post was directed to, to actually directly answer my questions. That way, I don't think you're hiding some reason for not answering it. (Or, alternatively, So I don't start lurking because you just ignore me anyway.)

Day ends in 29 hours. If we're deciding on lynching someone, let's DECIDE on lynching them. I'm not saying we have to lynch before deadline, but we should know full well who and why we're lynching whomever we are.
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Ok, if Pasonia doesn't start talking day 2, I'm gonna go back to voting him.
INCASE YOU CAN'T READ SUCH SMALL TEXT, THAT MEANS YOU PASONIA.
Unvote

Back to voting strager for his out of the ordinary behaviour.
Vote: strager
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LadySuburu wrote:

Questions:

Did anyone but strager himself actually read my strager case? I'm just curious, as nobody commented on it, and there's little discussion going on now.

If we had to lynch someone due to deadline, who should it be, assuming no additional meaningful discussion happens between now and then?

i probably read the whole thing but i forgot what it said. it probably still made some sort of impression on me

if we have to lynch due to deadline it should be one of the mafia -_- but my guess is as good as yours as to who that might be


kuwarudo needs to be replaced
Pasonia needs to make more posts
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strager wrote:

Oh, I see. What about two Mafias and one Townie? Lynch goes to one of the Mafias and the kill goes for the Townie. Or, the Lynch goes to the Townie and it's a draw between the two Mafia, and the Town loses.
This is only possible if the Mafia doesn't know each other, which, sadly, is this way in this game.

Also, Pasonia is too quiet for my liking, and if he doesn't post soon, I'll vote him.
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Can Echo be nice enough to tell us how the hell does the mafia do a night kill??

Sure, read the second post. Read the rules while you're at it too, I'm sure you haven't.
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SFG (3) - kuwarudo, strager, 0_o
rust45 (2) - SFG, Pasonia
strager (2) - LadySuburu, adam
Pasonia (1) - rust45

Not voting: Wojjan

Day 1 ends in 23 hours! (I made a mistake in my other post, sorry.)
-- SFG is at L-2!
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Thanks Echo :)

I must've forgotten it---- no wait I haven't read that part, I usually just read the PMs about roles.

Also did I break a rule?
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No, but you (that means everyone who hasn't) might want to acquaint yourself with them, since they're a bit different to the ones in Suburu's games.
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

welp, i guess im getting lynched for scumhunting. w/e just make sure you find the scum, okay? ill see you guys again at endgame, hopefully with a town win rather than a mafia win.

pleasepleasepleasepleasePLEASE be smarter in this game than you were in M1, M2, and M3
ERRRRG I know it's total WIFOM but why is this making me think SFG isn't mafia >:(
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0_o, you say that strager and SFG are the two you suspect, right?

I have a good feeling that SFG is not mafia, even before that post.

Would you mind lynching strager today, instead?
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Let's give it a shot

Unvote
vote strager
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I know it's banwagoning and it will add suspicion to me but...

unvote
Vote: strager
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Wojjan, why would me protecting anyone be suspicious? If I think one player is more likely mafia, I will try to convince others to vote for them. The mafia DO NOT know who eachother are, so therefore wouldn't be a scumtell.

FoS: Wojjan
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Wow, where did those posts come from?
Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS
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Wojjan wrote:

Wow, where did those posts come from?
Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS

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If we're still in the RVS stage, we're doing something wrong.

My vote isn't random at all.

Also: There's no need to wait until deadline every single day in mafia games. If five people suspect that someone is mafia, we lynch them. Of course, you want to give them a chance to post and or claim before you do.
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Vote: 0_o

That vote on me was pretty wild. Can you explain your exact reasoning?
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crêpes, forgot that the Mafia doesn't know one another again.
Echo, what a dumb gimmick (no offense, mod is always right, yadda yadda) :(
  • - LS: -1
    -SFG: -0.5
mod:Prod the inactive users please, it's been 24 hours for some I think.
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Note: if you haven't noticed, I've been in and out. So, I may or may not be able to speak at times. If I'm gone longer than two days, I ask to be replaced. Same applies for BM1, LS.
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LadySuburu wrote:

If we're still in the RVS stage, we're doing something wrong.

Wojjan wrote:

Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS
*Wojjan facepamlms

LadySuburu wrote:

Also: There's no need to wait until deadline every single day in mafia games. If five people suspect that someone is mafia, we lynch them. Of course, you want to give them a chance to post and or claim before you do.
Yet, if you put someone on L-1 it raises some suspicion. Why would he not give strager a chance of speaking? Why would he make way for a Hammer to instantly get him? Doesn't it seem weird? Especially since we got a lot to discuss, seeing the number of posts a moment.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
As someone stated once before:

If someone were to hammer that quickly, they are most likely mafia. Sure, L-1 does place some suspicion, I agree. However, a hammer right now would be most like saying "Hey, I'm mafia, come lynch me."

There are rare cases that a townie hammers without waiting for some discussion, but those are rare.

However, I don't remember rust saying anything about suspecting strager. I need to reread some. *does so*
rust45
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rust45
No I never did say I suspected strager before, but I have been thinking he's mafia for quite some time, I was thinking like 0_o in a sense. Sure suspect me right now but if your going to lynch me, at least wait till the next day.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Mmk, reading through, I don't see anything about rust really suspecting strager. It seems any of his strager-related votes were all RVS style.

Edit: Ninja'd.

Yes, I do suspect you some now rust.

I still want to lynch strager today.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Subi, and actually all of stragers bandwagon, I'd like you to think twice if your vote isn't really based on anything. We're on 5 to lynch today, so if we kill a townie today, and the mafia does so too, we only need three votes for a mafia to hop in and get a kill tomorrow. If they've coordiated at night, and decided to both get a vote on one, two votes can bring us in danger.
Also, my suspicion of rust went up by a notch for never saying why he voted strager before, and even now not clearly stating what of stragers behavior could be scummy
  • rust45: +1
rust45 is now on 2.5 suspicion rate in my eyes, and the highest on my list. He hence gets my vote.

vote: rust45
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

Subi, and actually all of stragers bandwagon, I'd like you to think twice if your vote isn't really based on anything. We're on 5 to lynch today, so if we kill a townie today, and the mafia does so too, we only need three votes for a mafia to hop in and get a kill tomorrow. If they've coordiated at night, and decided to both get a vote on one, two votes can bring us in danger.
Also, my suspicion of rust went up by a notch for never saying why he voted strager before, and even now not clearly stating what of stragers behavior could be scummy
  • rust45: +1
rust45 is now on 2.5 suspicion rate in my eyes, and the highest on my list. He hence gets my vote.

vote: rust45
Wojjan. have you read very many of my posts?
anonymous_old
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Q's:

What's RVS?

What's Hammering?
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

strager wrote:

Q's:

What's RVS?

What's Hammering?
Random Vote Stage

The last vote to lynch someone.
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
mod: replace kuwarudo and Pasonia if we dont see more activity from them in D2

i dunno why you guys decided to off strager instead of me, but im not altogether sure that strager is scum. he tends to have a reason to his crazy patterns, although i spose that reason could be mafia i would rather have more reason to be sure of it today.

kuwarudo, Pasonia please post more so we can actually have something to go on other than Pasonia's self-preservation, which as ive already said is kinda scummy.

rust is obviously a noob, he may be mafia or may not be mafia, but he's acting a bit like strager did in M2, minus the roleclaim.

Wojjan seems to have gone to the numbering system to try to figure out who is scum and who isnt, or possibly who would make a good lynch. hes also been corrected on the "mafia dont know each other" thing twice now, but i think he'd be intell-gah WIFOM


LS and adam havent really swung one way or the other in my mind as to whether scum or town yet. My conclusion is the person i suspect most is Pasonia right now

unvote
vote Pasonia
anonymous_old
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LadySuburu, your main reasons for voting for me are outlined in the following posts:

viewtopic.php?p=152992#p152992
viewtopic.php?p=153782#p153782

Of me acting like kuu, I would appreciate specific examples. Even with supporting posts I doubt that's reason enough to vote for someone.

In the second post above, you show that rust45, SFG, and I (and to a lesser extend 0_o) are all pretty suspicious by our jumping on bandwagons. With the recent L-1 vote against me by rust45 (which you say looks pretty random) has your level of suspicion not changed? rust45 now has made two L-1 votes, whereas I have not made any. You explicitly mention that putting L-1 without reason is scummy: viewtopic.php?p=153787#p153787
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SFG, What are your opinions on 0_o?
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki

strager wrote:

SFG, What are your opinions on 0_o?
ahh i KNEW i was forgetting someone...

0_o needs to post more, no opinion yet on him other than that
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

strager wrote:

LadySuburu, your main reasons for voting for me are outlined in the following posts:

viewtopic.php?p=152992#p152992
viewtopic.php?p=153782#p153782

Of me acting like kuu, I would appreciate specific examples. Even with supporting posts I doubt that's reason enough to vote for someone.

In the second post above, you show that rust45, SFG, and I (and to a lesser extend 0_o) are all pretty suspicious by our jumping on bandwagons. With the recent L-1 vote against me by rust45 (which you say looks pretty random) has your level of suspicion not changed? rust45 now has made two L-1 votes, whereas I have not made any. You explicitly mention that putting L-1 without reason is scummy: viewtopic.php?p=153787#p153787
Main reasons for voting: If you trace through some of our conversations, you'll find there are other posts that have my reasons included as well. Example: My post on Page 10, and the resulting conversation from that.

Acting like kuu: You weren't acting as I know you to act, which is apperently less than I thought. You were acting much different than how you are now acting in defense.

rust45: Yes, he's raised in suspision. No, he's not as high as you yet, but he's close.

If others were for a rust lynch today, I wouldn't mind one either. At the moment, you are still slightly more suspicious in my mind, which is why I'm still voting for you.
anonymous_old
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LadySuburu wrote:

Main reasons for voting: If you trace through some of our conversations, you'll find there are other posts that have my reasons included as well. Example: My post on Page 10, and the resulting conversation from that.
The exact same reasoning could be applied to rust45 and SFG for tie-ing votes as well. I think rust45 even started the tie-ing thing (unsure).

"setting a trend to get many people near lynch" -- I didn't really set the trend I think. I did start the "vote for yourself as a joke" thing which SFG followed.

LadySuburu wrote:

Acting like kuu: You weren't acting as I know you to act, which is apperently less than I thought. You were acting much different than how you are now acting in defense.
If you're referring to my acting in M2, of course I'm acting differently. I'm in a different situation. I don't have a false role claim on my head, I'm not being heavily attacked by one or more highly skilled players very well, and I'm not a newbie. Again, I would like specific examples else your claim is worthless in my eyes.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

strager wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Main reasons for voting: If you trace through some of our conversations, you'll find there are other posts that have my reasons included as well. Example: My post on Page 10, and the resulting conversation from that.
The exact same reasoning could be applied to rust45 and SFG for tie-ing votes as well. I think rust45 even started the tie-ing thing (unsure).

"setting a trend to get many people near lynch" -- I didn't really set the trend I think. I did start the "vote for yourself as a joke" thing which SFG followed.

LadySuburu wrote:

Acting like kuu: You weren't acting as I know you to act, which is apperently less than I thought. You were acting much different than how you are now acting in defense.
If you're referring to my acting in M2, of course I'm acting differently. I'm in a different situation. I don't have a false role claim on my head, I'm not being heavily attacked by one or more highly skilled players very well, and I'm not a newbie. Again, I would like specific examples else your claim is worthless in my eyes.
1: I'll check to see who for sure started the near-lynch trend. I'll also see how involved you were in it.

2: I'm not going to grab any specific examples, because you've already made a statement (see: underlined above) that makes me think there's absolutely no point in doing so.
0_o
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0_o

strager wrote:

That vote on me was pretty wild. Can you explain your exact reasoning?
Well for one I don't think it was that wild, I already said you and SFG were high on my list, and I recently started to have doubts about SFG's guilt.
I don't really have the time/energy right now to go through and make an extended post analysis, I have an assignment I have to finish in 4 hours..
Though I've done some thinking, and right now I actually think we should get rid of either Pas or kuwarudo. Yes, they can be prodded/replaced, but if they only respond when prodded/once every 24 hours, it could be a while before both of them are replaced, and it seems like every game we are left with people who we have no clue what to think about at the end. Sure we replaced Olinad eventually in M2, but it was really too little too late, we really had no idea what to think of Wojjan until the game was over. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to get stuck in that situation again.

Therefore
unvote
vote Pasonia

EDIT: also, a vote count would be nice
rust45
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

rust is obviously a noob, he may be mafia or may not be mafia, but he's acting a bit like strager did in M2, minus the roleclaim
Finally someone realizes this truth. This is the first game of Mafia I've ever played. Due to this I'm still not playing very well. I'm still trying to get the hang of this. And yes, I know I should've joined a newbie mafia game first.
adam2046
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adam2046
I have nothing I feel like commenting on at this point in time.
Just posting so people know I'm actually reading.

Oh and instead of killing off people who don't talk straight away (which I think is a tactic that the mafia would consider using) you should encourage them to speak first, give them a day and if they still refuse to speak actively, kill them off. Lynching people who act like this first day might be a mistake because they could just be gathering information to use the next day (or they could be an aux role trying to hide.)
0_o
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0_o

adam2046 wrote:

I have nothing I feel like commenting on at this point in time.
Just posting so people know I'm actually reading.

Oh and instead of killing off people who don't talk straight away (which I think is a tactic that the mafia would consider using) you should encourage them to speak first, give them a day and if they still refuse to speak actively, kill them off. Lynching people who act like this first day might be a mistake because they could just be gathering information to use the next day (or they could be an aux role trying to hide.)
Thing is, they are just as likely to be a mafia trying to hide. If they were gathering information for the next day, wouldn't they be asking questions and stimulating discussions as opposed to hiding in a corner the whole time?
Also I don't really see why mafia would want to get rid of quiet people, I would think they would want to have people no one knows anything about in the final days to cause confusion. (it worked the last 3 games...)
They've been prodded twice and we have told them several times that we need them to talk more, so I think they've been given more than a fair chance.
anonymous_old
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I'll have to go with adam on this issue. It seems 0_o is trying to kill anyone here on purpose, as if he's not really part of the Town. At least that's what I see of him.
adam2046
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0_o wrote:

Also I don't really see why mafia would want to get rid of quiet people, I would think they would want to have people no one knows anything about in the final days to cause confusion. (it worked the last 3 games...)
Because it's easy to do, just like you're doing.
0_o
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0_o

strager wrote:

I'll have to go with adam on this issue. It seems 0_o is trying to kill anyone here on purpose, as if he's not really part of the Town. At least that's what I see of him.
"kill anyone here on purpose"? What? Firstly if I was really desperate to get rid of anyone I probably wouldn't have switched off of you after I got you on L-1 (inadvertently mind you, I didn't think rust would swoop in right after me).
My reasons for voting Pasonia come from the outcome of every mafia game so far. We are left with one or two people we have no clue what to think of, making us unable to make a well-informed decision on who to lynch at LyLo. I'm thinking for the endgame here - the more information we have against everyone in the endgame, the better our chances of winning.

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

Also I don't really see why mafia would want to get rid of quiet people, I would think they would want to have people no one knows anything about in the final days to cause confusion. (it worked the last 3 games...)
Because it's easy to do, just like you're doing.
Well actually, the easy thing for mafia to do would be to keep their trap shut and let the town lynch anyone who isn't them. I, on the other hand, do care about who is lynched, and think we should get rid of the dead weight that's gonna kill us at the end.

EDIT: Also, if it was Pas alone who wasn't talking, I probably would let it slide for a day. But now there are 2 inactive players, and if we don't get rid of one today, there's a good shot we are gonna be at Day 3, 5 people, with someone we don't know anything about (basically the same situation we've been in every other game). We have a much better shot Day 3 if we have sufficient information about everyone there.
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