No.strager wrote:
Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
rust45 wrote:
unvote Still trying to tie people up here.
waaaiit a second here. if two people are tied at the end of the day, there is no lynch.
i.e. no chance of lynching a mafia
i.e. free nightkill
just what are you up to, rust45? its not like this is a one time joke thing - youve done it a COUPLE times, trying to balance votes.
unvote
vote rust45 (NOT RANDOM)
Either way is advantageous for the Mafia. However, no-lynch gives less of an advantage than does lynching a Townie.adam2046 wrote:
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.
Greater FOS of awesome +1: SFG
adam2046 wrote:
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
rust45 wrote:
unvote Still trying to tie people up here.
waaaiit a second here. if two people are tied at the end of the day, there is no lynch.
i.e. no chance of lynching a mafia
i.e. free nightkill
just what are you up to, rust45? its not like this is a one time joke thing - youve done it a COUPLE times, trying to balance votes.
unvote
vote rust45 (NOT RANDOM)
Greater FOS of awesome +1: SFG
^ I was trying to make things interesting, but now will vote more seriously.strager wrote:
He views your attack as meaningless. Thus, he doesn't need to defend himself. No one is as paranoid about it as you, and he doesn't seem too threatened.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
im using absolutely everything i have to go on to find a mafia. for that matter rust45 has not said anything to defend himself either, and i will not change my vote until he has done so in a way that convinces me that someone else is more likely to be mafia than he is.
But if I was Mafia, it would only help to tie it up if I was on L-1.strager wrote:
Either way is advantageous for the Mafia. However, no-lynch gives less of an advantage than does lynching a Townie.adam2046 wrote:
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.
Unvotestrager wrote:
Found something.
Read this: viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Then this: viewtopic.php?p=153434#p153434
Unvote
Vote: SFG
You're referring to this? viewtopic.php?p=153025#p153025LadySuburu wrote:
strager: any response to what I said on page 10?
The Town has similar goals.LadySuburu wrote:
Yet the prime motivation for a mafia member, is to get someone other than themselves lynched.
That may be so. Realize though I've been on most of the L-2's (even the one against myself) and I don't think there has been an L-1.LadySuburu wrote:
Following along with other's votes, setting a trend to get many people near lynch, and attempting to lynch off someone who can't respond or defend themselves, are all scummy and in my mind mafia tactics.
strager wrote:
Found something.
Read this: viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Then this: viewtopic.php?p=153434#p153434
Unvote
Vote: SFG
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
just what are you up to, rust45? its not like this is a one time joke thing - youve done it a COUPLE times, trying to balance votes.
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
its not like this is a one time joke thing
1: The town's goal is to find the mafia. The mafia's goal is to get any townie lynched. Of course, the mafia also want to avoid detection, but they'll try to find any reason to get another lynched. The town, however, have the motivation of getting the mafia to NK them if they aren't an aux, or avoiding an NK if they are. Also, a true cop going against a contested claim (in a normal mafia game, where roles are revealed), will generally have the town lynch him first, to confirm his telling the truth (if not in LyLo). There is a difference between the roles, and it makes a difference in how others play.strager wrote:
The Town has similar goals.LadySuburu wrote:
Yet the prime motivation for a mafia member, is to get someone other than themselves lynched.That may be so. Realize though I've been on most of the L-2's (even the one against myself) and I don't think there has been an L-1.LadySuburu wrote:
Following along with other's votes, setting a trend to get many people near lynch, and attempting to lynch off someone who can't respond or defend themselves, are all scummy and in my mind mafia tactics.
(Note to self: write a proggie to parse private vote log to look at bandwaggoning.)
I can't really defend myself against your claims, though, as they are pretty convincing. However, I was just tossing in confusion to shake up the game a little so people would slip so we could have something substantial to go on for a lynch (see my last vote).
Let's see.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
myself but only as a one-time joke, whereas rust45 seems to have made it his strategy
LadySuburu wrote:
SFG: Do you think any instance of tying votes is scummy, or only a repeated action?
ok let me give you the reasoning behind the L-1 bandwagoning.strager wrote:
SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
If someone else had been the last to post a tie-ing vote, would you be somewhat suspicious of them?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
rust45's consistant use of tying the votes is what made me suspicious, especially after the vote-tying game had ended and he seemed to have adopted it for rational use.
This post makes it sound like fun: viewtopic.php?p=152646#p152646Saturos-fangirl wrote:
so i guess my problem with rust's vote-tying is that he seemed to be doing it seriously rather than for fun, as judged by the tone of his posts.
WIFOM?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
ok let me give you the reasoning behind the L-1 bandwagoning.strager wrote:
SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
anyone who lays a fifth vote on that person is scum.
there are two scum and five nonscum.
therefore if we lose one nonscum and kill a scum in the process, things are good. if not, we dont lose the nonscum cus no one jumped on the bandwagon.
i am, of course, assuming we dont have any ASH's in here, based on the player lineup.
LadySuburu wrote:
Everyone: Who do you think is mafia right now? Are you satisfied with your current vote?
Yup.LadySuburu wrote:
1: Changing votes a lot (wishy-washy voting) is a known scum-tell. You've got a pretty high rating for this
This one? viewtopic.php?p=151854#p151854LadySuburu wrote:
expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.
Yup.LadySuburu wrote:
Another known scum indicator is being third or fourth on a bandwagon. You, rust and SFG seem high up there.
You just said so yourself.LadySuburu wrote:
2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
If it's all random votes, I have my eye on it closely in case something happens. Otherwise L-2 isn't too much of an issue.LadySuburu wrote:
How dangerous do you see L-2?
I should've phrased this better. Based on your bandwagoning chart. I was counting my edit of your chart as still yours.LadySuburu wrote:
expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.
I said it is. That doesn't mean you see it as such. Key word: personallyLadySuburu wrote:
2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
True, that's why I changed my mind.LadySuburu wrote:
rust45: You wouldn't screw the game up by getting a "No Lynch", but you would make it harder on the town.
By saying "You just said so yourself." I was agreeing with you.LadySuburu wrote:
I said it is. That doesn't mean you see it as such. Key word: personallyLadySuburu wrote:
2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
You messed up the votes for SFGEcho wrote:
votes fixed Not yet, 0_o unvoted a while ago.
Or they have different timezones.rust45 wrote:
You know, I think I'm starting to suspect, Wojjan, kuu, and adam, they haven't discussed recently, maybe they're trying to make sure they don't slip something up, but even if it's possible, one of them can't be Mafia.
Or they are busy IRL.rust45 wrote:
Unvote
Vote: Pasonia Now that I think about, why would the mafia care who gets lynched in the first day? Unless of course they suspect someone of being a cop or doctor.
...Wojjan wrote:
Strager
What is "HOS" ? Also, how did I take the argument too far?Wojjan wrote:
HOS: strager for taking the argument too far, right after the "hey SFG lets trade votes lol" phase.
The Game Setup wrote:
In addition, in keeping with the story, the mafia members will not know who the other person is.
So distancing is a non-issue this game; they don't know who the other is and they are against eachotherThe Mafia PM wrote:
Win Condition: You win when you are the only Mafia left in the game and you represent at least half of all living players.
Hand of Suspicion (FOS*5) :Ostrager wrote:
What is "HOS" ?
When was I sincere? Actually, I would like a full reason as to why you suspect me, I started posting differently because I started to take this more seriously then I was before, but I still don't know when I was being sincere.Wojjan wrote:
Your writing style suddenly changed, and you were all around more insincere.
Wojjan wrote:
Seriously, the only reason to keep the argument up for so long is to make clear (or to fail in making clear) that you have no connection whatsoever. I won't say you are the only ones that are suspicious, but I'd have to use too many FOSes to point out everyone
gimme a break, i wake up and go tackle all night posts one by one in the order they appear and merge later.Wojjan wrote:
thank you for pointing that out after 0_o has pointed that out
Now what would be your reason for voting for me when no one else had voted for me after I defending myself. (Except for SFG but she voted for me before I defened my self) I keeping my vote one you for this reason.Pasonia wrote:
Ouch.
Unvote vote rust45.
P.S.: Jeez.
This is because you also voted me without due reason. I have kept my activity minimal just to see what happens, and I am less than happy when I get voted without a due reason attached.rust45 wrote:
Now what would be your reason for voting for me when no one else had voted for me after I defending myself. (Except for SFG but she voted for me before I defened my self) I keeping my vote one you for this reason.Pasonia wrote:
Ouch.
Unvote vote rust45.
P.S.: Jeez.
Pasonia wrote:
I have kept my activity minimal just to see what happens
First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.0_o wrote:
I also want to point something out about strager though..strager wrote:
So what's everyone's guess on the roles?
I'm thinking like M2: Two Mafia, one Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies.Why is strager bringing up the cop so much? Is he trying to make us believe he is the cop? This is confusing me because he knows how well bringing up the doctor went in M2... so FOS stragerstrager wrote:
Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?
Could you explain a situation where LyLo is possible?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
mod: will LyLo be announced considering that we aren't allowed to know the ID's of the people who died, and telling us will show us how many mafia are dead?
Actually:strager wrote:
First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.
So Echo had no say in what setup was used.The Game Setup wrote:
This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.
Fair enough. I didn't really find this post suspicious as much as the fact that you brought up the Cop so much (nice Echo, now you got me paranoid about that stuffstrager wrote:
Second post was to figure out if investigations could performed on a dead person. Simple as that. I know only a Cop would really want to know, but it could help us later because only a Cop would know the alignment of anyone, but cannot if they were lynched D1. So you can check a Cop's claims against what is possible.
)Could you explain a situation where LyLo is possible?I think this game is weird that way, even in a situation where there are 2 mafia and 3 townies, the game would not be at LyLo because the mafia can't win without killing the other. So I think the only possible LyLo situation is 1 mafia, 2 (or 3) humans.
Oh, right. Well just a guess, then. xD0_o wrote:
Actually:strager wrote:
First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.So Echo had no say in what setup was used.The Game Setup wrote:
This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.
Oh, I see. What about two Mafias and one Townie? Lynch goes to one of the Mafias and the kill goes for the Townie. Or, the Lynch goes to the Townie and it's a draw between the two Mafia, and the Town loses.0_o wrote:
So I think the only possible LyLo situation is 1 mafia, 2 (or 3) humans.
LadySuburu wrote:
Questions:
Did anyone but strager himself actually read my strager case? I'm just curious, as nobody commented on it, and there's little discussion going on now.
If we had to lynch someone due to deadline, who should it be, assuming no additional meaningful discussion happens between now and then?
This is only possible if the Mafia doesn't know each other, which, sadly, is this way in this game.strager wrote:
Oh, I see. What about two Mafias and one Townie? Lynch goes to one of the Mafias and the kill goes for the Townie. Or, the Lynch goes to the Townie and it's a draw between the two Mafia, and the Town loses.
ERRRRG I know it's total WIFOM but why is this making me think SFG isn't mafiaSaturos-fangirl wrote:
welp, i guess im getting lynched for scumhunting. w/e just make sure you find the scum, okay? ill see you guys again at endgame, hopefully with a town win rather than a mafia win.
pleasepleasepleasepleasePLEASE be smarter in this game than you were in M1, M2, and M3
If we're still in the RVS stage, we're doing something wrong.Wojjan wrote:
Wow, where did those posts come from?
Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS
- rust +1.5
LadySuburu wrote:
If we're still in the RVS stage, we're doing something wrong.
*Wojjan facepamlmsWojjan wrote:
Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS
Yet, if you put someone on L-1 it raises some suspicion. Why would he not give strager a chance of speaking? Why would he make way for a Hammer to instantly get him? Doesn't it seem weird? Especially since we got a lot to discuss, seeing the number of posts a moment.LadySuburu wrote:
Also: There's no need to wait until deadline every single day in mafia games. If five people suspect that someone is mafia, we lynch them. Of course, you want to give them a chance to post and or claim before you do.
Wojjan. have you read very many of my posts?Wojjan wrote:
Subi, and actually all of stragers bandwagon, I'd like you to think twice if your vote isn't really based on anything. We're on 5 to lynch today, so if we kill a townie today, and the mafia does so too, we only need three votes for a mafia to hop in and get a kill tomorrow. If they've coordiated at night, and decided to both get a vote on one, two votes can bring us in danger.
Also, my suspicion of rust went up by a notch for never saying why he voted strager before, and even now not clearly stating what of stragers behavior could be scummyrust45 is now on 2.5 suspicion rate in my eyes, and the highest on my list. He hence gets my vote.
- rust45: +1
vote: rust45