LadySuburu wrote:

strager: any response to what I said on page 10?

LadySuburu wrote:

Yet the prime motivation for a mafia member, is to get someone other than themselves lynched.

LadySuburu wrote:

Following along with other's votes, setting a trend to get many people near lynch, and attempting to lynch off someone who can't respond or defend themselves, are all scummy and in my mind mafia tactics.

strager wrote:

Found something.

Read this: viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Then this: viewtopic.php?p=153434#p153434

Unvote
Vote: SFG

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

just what are you up to, rust45? its not like this is a one time joke thing - youve done it a COUPLE times, trying to balance votes.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

its not like this is a one time joke thing

strager wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Yet the prime motivation for a mafia member, is to get someone other than themselves lynched.

The Town has similar goals.

LadySuburu wrote:

Following along with other's votes, setting a trend to get many people near lynch, and attempting to lynch off someone who can't respond or defend themselves, are all scummy and in my mind mafia tactics.

That may be so. Realize though I've been on most of the L-2's (even the one against myself) and I don't think there has been an L-1.

(Note to self: write a proggie to parse private vote log to look at bandwaggoning.)

I can't really defend myself against your claims, though, as they are pretty convincing. However, I was just tossing in confusion to shake up the game a little so people would slip so we could have something substantial to go on for a lynch (see my last vote).

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

myself but only as a one-time joke, whereas rust45 seems to have made it his strategy

LadySuburu wrote:

SFG: Do you think any instance of tying votes is scummy, or only a repeated action?

strager wrote:

SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

rust45's consistant use of tying the votes is what made me suspicious, especially after the vote-tying game had ended and he seemed to have adopted it for rational use.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

so i guess my problem with rust's vote-tying is that he seemed to be doing it seriously rather than for fun, as judged by the tone of his posts.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.

ok let me give you the reasoning behind the L-1 bandwagoning.

anyone who lays a fifth vote on that person is scum.

there are two scum and five nonscum.

therefore if we lose one nonscum and kill a scum in the process, things are good. if not, we dont lose the nonscum cus no one jumped on the bandwagon.

i am, of course, assuming we dont have any ASH's in here, based on the player lineup.

LadySuburu wrote:

Everyone: Who do you think is mafia right now? Are you satisfied with your current vote?

LadySuburu wrote:

1: Changing votes a lot (wishy-washy voting) is a known scum-tell. You've got a pretty high rating for this

LadySuburu wrote:

expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.

LadySuburu wrote:

Another known scum indicator is being third or fourth on a bandwagon. You, rust and SFG seem high up there.

LadySuburu wrote:

2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?

LadySuburu wrote:

How dangerous do you see L-2?

LadySuburu wrote:

expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.

LadySuburu wrote:

2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?

LadySuburu wrote:

rust45: You wouldn't screw the game up by getting a "No Lynch", but you would make it harder on the town.

LadySuburu wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?

I said it is. That doesn't mean you see it as such. Key word: personally

Echo wrote:

votes fixed Not yet, 0_o unvoted a while ago.

rust45 wrote:

You know, I think I'm starting to suspect, Wojjan, kuu, and adam, they haven't discussed recently, maybe they're trying to make sure they don't slip something up, but even if it's possible, one of them can't be Mafia.

rust45 wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Pasonia Now that I think about, why would the mafia care who gets lynched in the first day? Unless of course they suspect someone of being a cop or doctor.

Wojjan wrote:

Strager

Wojjan wrote:

HOS: strager for taking the argument too far, right after the "hey SFG lets trade votes lol" phase.

The Game Setup wrote:

In addition, in keeping with the story, the mafia members will not know who the other person is.

The Mafia PM wrote:

Win Condition: You win when you are the only Mafia left in the game and you represent at least half of all living players.

strager wrote:

What is "HOS" ?

Wojjan wrote:

Your writing style suddenly changed, and you were all around more insincere.

Wojjan wrote:

Seriously, the only reason to keep the argument up for so long is to make clear (or to fail in making clear) that you have no connection whatsoever. I won't say you are the only ones that are suspicious, but I'd have to use too many FOSes to point out everyone

Wojjan wrote:

thank you for pointing that out after 0_o has pointed that out

Pasonia wrote:

Ouch.

Unvote vote rust45.

P.S.: Jeez.

rust45 wrote:

Pasonia wrote:

Ouch.

Unvote vote rust45.

P.S.: Jeez.

Now what would be your reason for voting for me when no one else had voted for me after I defending myself. (Except for SFG but she voted for me before I defened my self) I keeping my vote one you for this reason.

Pasonia wrote:

I have kept my activity minimal just to see what happens

0_o wrote:

I also want to point something out about strager though..

strager wrote:

So what's everyone's guess on the roles?

I'm thinking like M2: Two Mafia, one Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies.

strager wrote:

Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?

Why is strager bringing up the cop so much? Is he trying to make us believe he is the cop? This is confusing me because he knows how well bringing up the doctor went in M2... so FOS strager

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

mod: will LyLo be announced considering that we aren't allowed to know the ID's of the people who died, and telling us will show us how many mafia are dead?

strager wrote:

First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.

The Game Setup wrote:

This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.

strager wrote:

Second post was to figure out if investigations could performed on a dead person. Simple as that. I know only a Cop would really want to know, but it could help us later because only a Cop would know the alignment of anyone, but cannot if they were lynched D1. So you can check a Cop's claims against what is possible.

Could you explain a situation where LyLo is possible?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

First post has some whimsical reasoning behind it. I think Echo would at least leave us with a Cop. It would probably even things out for the Town and Mafias, I think.

Actually:

The Game Setup wrote:

This game will be using a randomly selected setup based on the C9 setup.

So Echo had no say in what setup was used.

0_o wrote:

So I think the only possible LyLo situation is 1 mafia, 2 (or 3) humans.

LadySuburu wrote:

Questions:

Did anyone but strager himself actually read my strager case? I'm just curious, as nobody commented on it, and there's little discussion going on now.

If we had to lynch someone due to deadline, who should it be, assuming no additional meaningful discussion happens between now and then?

strager wrote:

Oh, I see. What about two Mafias and one Townie? Lynch goes to one of the Mafias and the kill goes for the Townie. Or, the Lynch goes to the Townie and it's a draw between the two Mafia, and the Town loses.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

welp, i guess im getting lynched for scumhunting. w/e just make sure you find the scum, okay? ill see you guys again at endgame, hopefully with a town win rather than a mafia win.

pleasepleasepleasepleasePLEASE be smarter in this game than you were in M1, M2, and M3

• rust +1.5

Wojjan wrote:

Wow, where did those posts come from?
Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS

• rust +1.5

• - LS: -1
  -SFG: -0.5

LadySuburu wrote:

If we're still in the RVS stage, we're doing something wrong.

Wojjan wrote:

Putting someone on L-1 is silly and dumb, especially in a somewhat RVS

LadySuburu wrote:

Also: There's no need to wait until deadline every single day in mafia games. If five people suspect that someone is mafia, we lynch them. Of course, you want to give them a chance to post and or claim before you do.

• rust45: +1

Wojjan wrote:

Subi, and actually all of stragers bandwagon, I'd like you to think twice if your vote isn't really based on anything. We're on 5 to lynch today, so if we kill a townie today, and the mafia does so too, we only need three votes for a mafia to hop in and get a kill tomorrow. If they've coordiated at night, and decided to both get a vote on one, two votes can bring us in danger.
Also, my suspicion of rust went up by a notch for never saying why he voted strager before, and even now not clearly stating what of stragers behavior could be scummy

• rust45: +1

rust45 is now on 2.5 suspicion rate in my eyes, and the highest on my list. He hence gets my vote.

vote: rust45

strager wrote:

Q's:

What's RVS?

What's Hammering?

strager wrote:

SFG, What are your opinions on 0_o?

strager wrote:

LadySuburu, your main reasons for voting for me are outlined in the following posts:

viewtopic.php?p=152992#p152992
viewtopic.php?p=153782#p153782

Of me acting like kuu, I would appreciate specific examples. Even with supporting posts I doubt that's reason enough to vote for someone.

In the second post above, you show that rust45, SFG, and I (and to a lesser extend 0_o) are all pretty suspicious by our jumping on bandwagons. With the recent L-1 vote against me by rust45 (which you say looks pretty random) has your level of suspicion not changed? rust45 now has made two L-1 votes, whereas I have not made any. You explicitly mention that putting L-1 without reason is scummy: viewtopic.php?p=153787#p153787

LadySuburu wrote:

Main reasons for voting: If you trace through some of our conversations, you'll find there are other posts that have my reasons included as well. Example: My post on Page 10, and the resulting conversation from that.

LadySuburu wrote:

Acting like kuu: You weren't acting as I know you to act, which is apperently less than I thought. You were acting much different than how you are now acting in defense.

strager wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Main reasons for voting: If you trace through some of our conversations, you'll find there are other posts that have my reasons included as well. Example: My post on Page 10, and the resulting conversation from that.

The exact same reasoning could be applied to rust45 and SFG for tie-ing votes as well. I think rust45 even started the tie-ing thing (unsure).

"setting a trend to get many people near lynch" -- I didn't really set the trend I think. I did start the "vote for yourself as a joke" thing which SFG followed.

LadySuburu wrote:

Acting like kuu: You weren't acting as I know you to act, which is apperently less than I thought. You were acting much different than how you are now acting in defense.

If you're referring to my acting in M2, of course I'm acting differently. I'm in a different situation. I don't have a false role claim on my head, I'm not being heavily attacked by one or more highly skilled players very well, and I'm not a newbie. Again, I would like specific examples else your claim is worthless in my eyes.