Yeah, I'm kinda leaning Ekaru right now but not enough to really counter my gut on NoHItter.
The meaning of semi-random is universal.Ekaru wrote:
I never said the vote was random. I already said this.Sync wrote:
and then he denied that he said the vote was random
vote: Ekaru
I said it was semi-random; as in, it was only partially random. As in, there was reasoning behind it but it's not that serious of a vote. Again, stop putting words into my mouth. That is how people use "semi-random" where I live; to mean that it was kinda random, but not really.
All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied. Ex. What Rantai did just now, what I've seen other people do in other games, etc. Am I supposed to not do what I've seen others do? Because that really makes no sense.
Also, RVS votes are not truly random. The reasoning behind it is typically ridiculous, but there is still reasoning. If the votes were truly random then RVS would be pretty much useless.
P.S. The post above this one was accidental. Ignore that.
The meaning of semi-random is universal.Semi-random simply means that it's not 100% random, but it also is not 0% random. That is the universal definition. I included a quote in my post so it was far more on the "not random" side of semi-random. When somebody says "random" and not "semi-random", they typically mean "100% random", AKA truly random, AKA not what my post said. Therefore you are indeed putting words into my mouth. Semi-random really isn't random by pure definition.
It's way past RVS and you should have known this.It currently is, but not when I posted. There was no discussion when I posted.
I'm not putting any words into your mouth -- in fact, I'm taking words directly from your posts
RVS votes are random. That is the whole point. The reason behind it is tacked on for fun, not because it is a serious reason like yours.As I've said for the billionth time, it was not really a serious vote. Just look at it. I quoted a post and then said "'K". I've also said a billion times that I planned on switching my vote the moment something better came up. Again, you're putting words into my mouth. I've been arguing this whole time that it was not a serious vote, and here you go again claiming that the reasoning was serious.
Rantai's vote was not random.Exactly my point! If you believe my vote was not really random like you claim it to be and are attacking it solely because there was no reasoning tacked onto it, then why the hell aren't you attacking Rantai's post? He's even worse, because he didn't even include a quote or any explanation in his post. His post is more scummy than mine was from a purely objective viewpoint. He gave less reasoning and I did and while I wasn't even so much as trying to start a bandwagon - again, you can tell this just by looking at my post - Rantai was bandwagoning on another person's post.
And this was like 2 weeks ago BTW.Ekaru wrote:
Furthermore, it is not ludicrous to claim that you do not know the point of RVS because in a Newbie Game on mafiascum.net you claimed that you were not that experienced.
You were being inconsistent.Rantai wrote:
I NEED CONSISTENCY
Now you are indeed putting words into my mouth. Go read the thread again. I never said that I thought it was RVS because of what Rantai said. I said I thought it was still in RVS because at the time that I posted there was not much discussion. You are in fact making shit up now.Sync wrote:
so you say you thought it was still RVS because of what Rantai did...
I'm laughing at the fact that you saw that and you are using it to your advantage in this gameIt's called meta.
FYI, the definition of experienced is subjective.The definition of what is "semi-random" is also subjective. I only partially voted because of that post. I also voted for the hell of it, which is what people do in RVS.
Your vote was not "semi-random" because you voted him because of a post he madeI voted partially because of a post he made and, again, partially for the hell of it. "for the hell of it" typically qualifies as "random"; ex. If you, say, suddenly start singing for the hell of it, people will call it "random behavior".
you aren't making any senseMy argument makes more sense than your claiming that I thought it was RVS because of what Rantai did. I was clearly using it to show that your argument is flawed. My argument is that claiming that somebody is scum just because they voted without explanation is fucking retarded.
Also, you agree that Rantai's vote was not random... okay...Exactly. You claim my post isn't random in the slightest and, therefore, the same logic would apply to Rantai because his vote isn't random.
2. I already told you the meaning of experienced is completely subjective. Your meta is bullshit: are you trying to say that I don't know what RVS is? Are you telling me that everything I am saying now is null because I said I was inexperienced on a completely different website?Ekaru wrote:
All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied. Ex. What Rantai did just now, what I've seen other people do in other games, etc. Am I supposed to not do what I've seen others do? Because that really makes no sense.
...Sync wrote:
Ekaru wrote:
All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied. Ex. What Rantai did just now, what I've seen other people do in other games, etc. Am I supposed to not do what I've seen others do? Because that really makes no sense.
2. I already told you the meaning of experienced is completely subjective.And I already told you that whether or not the game is still in RVS at the exact point in time that I posted my vote is subjective. Both things are subjective. What is subjective is both ways. Whether or not somebody's action is semi-random is also subjective because, as I've said, semi-random is an extremely vague term; if an action is 0.001% random, then it's semi-random, and if an action is 99.99% random then it is STILL semi-random. Or at least, that's the way it's commonly used. It could technically mean something else, but that is irrelevant.
Ekaru is digging himself a grave lolThis scenario is extremely similar to what happened in Themeless Mafia. EXTREMELY similar. Sync, you're once again scum. You're taking something that isn't really a scum tell and trying to start a bandwagon on me. As we've seen from that game and other games, scum try to get bandwagons going on D1. I never tried to start a bandwagon, but you are. You're scum, scum, scum. You're taking things that are subjective and claiming that they aren't subjective when, in fact, they are.
this is awesome
I never said the former. At all. I'm not sure if you knew this, but in English if someone says "Ex." in front of something, that means it's an example. Rantai is an example of somebody who voted without an explanation, and I said that because of that and because his vote was clearly not random, your argument would also apply to him. That is all I said. I never said it looked semi-random; in fact, I even said the opposite. I never said what you're claiming me to say. Are you really that desperate that you have to twist what I'm saying so severely?Sync wrote:
"I saw Rantai post a vote that seemed 'semi-random', am I not supposed to do what other people do?"
"I didn't vote because of Rantai! I never said that!"
To make it even worse, it's completely irrelevant! I didn't even start a bandwagon on you and I unvoted.Uh, yes it is relevant? It's a really similar situation. You unvoted after you realized that the bandwagon was not going to work in an attempt to not look scummy; therefore, the unvote is irrelevant. You did in fact start the bandwagon by being the one who attacked me and claimed I was acting scummy over and over again, just like you are now. Who made the first vote is irrelevant because you planned on voting for me in the first place as clearly proven by the quicktopic. You are using the same strategy you used in another game where you were scum. It's relevant because it's some of the most solid meta out there - similar situation, same people, etc.
Whoever has the most votes at the deadline will be lynched.Sync wrote:
mod: Do you need a hammer to lynch somebody or is it majority?
this is the main reason I am voting bmin over and over again. I was so dang sure when I read this one of the newbies is his scum partner, but I expected it to be Darkari rather than Ekaru. I was alright with a lynch on either of them but Ekaru being PR screwing up was just as likely which is why I was as apprehensive. If I had been around or if the lynch on Ekaru was not gonna go through for some reason I probably would've voted from him too but as it stood there were quite enough votes on him I'm sure you dodn't need me in spirit.bmin11 wrote:
Confirm
inb4 drakari & ekaru mafia pair
I give no fucks about this or jesterfest right now.Sync wrote:
that and he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about this game
My reasons have all been posred beforehand. I FoS'd Ekaru because I didn't want to leave someome at L-1 when there were still 3 days, and I never confirmed Drakari as town, I just said his posts were bad and unhelpful.Sync wrote:
Jinxy is being careful with his posts (FoSing instead of voting, targeting wojjan in most of his posts. probably making up for bmin's mistake. also, confirmed Drakari as "not scum" in the same post he FoS'd Ekaru, which seems very odd to me. Town doesn't know who is and isn't scum.)
this is really itching at meWojjan wrote:
Ekaru flipping his shit was what he did as town in uh, the only other game he was ever in, was it salvage's?
I just thought people were picking on the new guy too much at first and just him posting like a madman was just panic attack but eventually I also reconsidered.
I'm actually ok with editing posts, so feel free to do so.JInxyjem wrote:
ghs = his
I believe bmin was acting weirdly but not overly scummy per se.Wojjan wrote:
Rantai how can you admit to bmin acting scummmy and then vote me because I think they're scummy
... but I almost wanna vote him just to see if he's scum so I can make a case when this happens againIt was like a really awkward "I think he's scummy but not going to vote him" kind of flick off (to appear to agree while not voting for their partner). Yeah you were tunneled on bmin, but that could also add to the flick off. I could be over reading it but that's all I have.
almost. still on bmin
You can see it that way, but you can also see it as fence sitting. Not voting for someone when he/she's going to get lynched offers many excuses as to why you didn't vote him/her depending on the situation.Wojjan wrote:
did you really need five votes instead of four on ekaru? I was just as strong on my jinxy read, from the point of my last post even stronger than ekaru because, you know, four votes on a day one lynch. Something could be up with that. I didn't feel like going out of my way from my vote on bmin to a bandwagon I was less sure of that was going to go through anyway
Mostly because I had work piled on after my post on the not-voting and stuff got busier, and Ekaru and Sync's long argument didn't quite help either when I only have little time between lessons to read and I had to skim quite a lot.NoHItter wrote:
But, JInxyjem, were you/when were you planning to actually vote for Ekaru.
You said that only reason why you didn't vote for him was because there was three days left.
Now why didn't you vote for him when we had only one day left before the deadline?
Wojjan wrote:
Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hook
This argument to me is kind of weak, mostly because no one else, persian nor greek, stood against Ekaru's lynch. Most wanted his lynch, I was still hesitant during my last D1 post for the previously said reason to avoid a quickhammer, and BF wasn't even there for most of Day 1. The vaguest objection to the lynch would probably be you, actually.Wojjan wrote:
no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
Well, if that's the case, then I don't really have much to say. To me it's either you or Backfire who's the last mafia, and your focus on me and explanations on not voting for Ekaru D1 just don't sit right with me and make me suspect you more than Backfire.Wojjan wrote:
It's all I got. I didn't vote him because I voted for you who I am more sure of.
Actually, this statement hits the mark.JInxyjem wrote:
Wojjan wrote:
Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hookThis argument to me is kind of weak, mostly because no one else, persian nor greek, stood against Ekaru's lynch. Most wanted his lynch, I was still hesitant during my last D1 post for the previously said reason to avoid a quickhammer, and BF wasn't even there for most of Day 1. The vaguest objection to the lynch would probably be you, actually.Wojjan wrote:
no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
you're a good sport to selfvote, ival0_o wrote:
Ivalset replaces JInxyjem
...0_o wrote:
Ivalset replaces JInxyjem
I honestly got scared to death when I read that.Wojjan wrote:
you're a good sport to selfvote, ival0_o wrote:
Ivalset replaces JInxyjem
im voting for you for hammering without discussion if wojjan flips townDrakari wrote:
I can't believe I'm still not used to hitting the quick reply button over the add reply button. I also still don't understand why they are labled so ambiguously.
Anyways, long post short I want to break the tie and am leaning toward Wojjan over JInxy, so I'm going to; sorry if it's a terrible strategy I'm not used to lynching immediately on majority so I'm unsure how to strategically use it.
Vote: Wojjan
Wojjan wrote:
assholes