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Newbie Mafia - 2of4 [Town Win!]

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NoHitter
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First we have Ekaru voting Drakari for his "I'm just here for the sake of being here. Never been particularly good at day 1." post.
IMO the post itself is suspicious and warrants a vote. I agree that it seems like a disclaimer that he wouldn't contribute during D1.
Then after Ekaru voted for him, you have him seemingly raging about how posting merits a vote and that he won't post anymore.

But then we have Ekaru who after being questioned by Sync, claims that his vote was "semi-random".
Ekaru claims that he voted Drakari for his statement which you could correlate to lurking, but IMO that reason doesn't even have an inkling of "random" anymore.
So between Ekaru and Drakari, I would vote Ekaru.

Vote: Ekaru
Finally some activity.
Sync
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Sync
and then he denied that he said the vote was random

vote: Ekaru
Rantai
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Rantai
I can see myself bandwagoning on this one.

I NEED CONSISTENCY
Rantai
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Rantai
Vote: Ekaru
Jinxy
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Jinxy

NoHItter wrote:

RQS:
1) What's your favorite role and alignment? Any role, but investigative/with people. Basically whatever with more information then the common townie.
2) Would you lynch lurkers? Prod -> Find Replacements -> Lynch if none are found
3) Would you rely on meta? Sometimes, but I don't go out to collect meta and shit
4) How often do you plan on posting? Once a day
Ekaru's sudden vote excuse when questioned is indeed scummy, but we still have 3 or so days left, and he's on L-2. So FoS: Ekaru for now.
Drakari's rant was plain bad. That is not how one plays mafia.
Ekaru
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Ekaru

Sync wrote:

and then he denied that he said the vote was random

vote: Ekaru
Ekaru
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Ekaru

Sync wrote:

and then he denied that he said the vote was random

vote: Ekaru
I never said the vote was random. I already said this.

I said it was semi-random; as in, it was only partially random. As in, there was reasoning behind it but it's not that serious of a vote. Again, stop putting words into my mouth. That is how people use "semi-random" where I live; to mean that it was kinda random, but not really.

All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied. Ex. What Rantai did just now, what I've seen other people do in other games, etc. Am I supposed to not do what I've seen others do? Because that really makes no sense.

Also, RVS votes are not truly random. The reasoning behind it is typically ridiculous, but there is still reasoning. If the votes were truly random then RVS would be pretty much useless.

P.S. The post above this one was accidental. Ignore that.
Ekaru
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Ekaru
All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied.
What I mean here is that the reasoning is implied in my quote.
0_o
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Vote Count
Ekaru (3) - NoHItter, Sync, Rantai
JInxyjem (1) - Wojjan
NoHItter (1) - LadySuburu

Not voting - Backfire, JInxyjem, Drakari, Ekaru

2 days, 7.5 hours remaining. Check the Links in the OP for a countdown to the day end.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
This is signifcantly in Ekaru's metalane but I almost wanna vote him just to see if he's scum so I can make a case when this happens again

almost. still on bmin
Drakari_old
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Drakari_old
Sarcasm failed here, that was very unexpected.

Not that two more pages have really helped me form an opinion, after seeing Ekaru's reasoning I'm slightly more inclined to vote him but I'll leave it for now.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Yeah, I'm kinda leaning Ekaru right now but not enough to really counter my gut on NoHItter.
Sync
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Sync

Ekaru wrote:

Sync wrote:

and then he denied that he said the vote was random

vote: Ekaru
I never said the vote was random. I already said this.

I said it was semi-random; as in, it was only partially random. As in, there was reasoning behind it but it's not that serious of a vote. Again, stop putting words into my mouth. That is how people use "semi-random" where I live; to mean that it was kinda random, but not really.

All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied. Ex. What Rantai did just now, what I've seen other people do in other games, etc. Am I supposed to not do what I've seen others do? Because that really makes no sense.

Also, RVS votes are not truly random. The reasoning behind it is typically ridiculous, but there is still reasoning. If the votes were truly random then RVS would be pretty much useless.

P.S. The post above this one was accidental. Ignore that.
The meaning of semi-random is universal.

I'm not putting any words into your mouth -- in fact, I'm taking words directly from your posts. It's way past RVS and you should have known this. I believe you were very well aware of this and that you are scum trying to make up for your mistakes.

Rantai's vote was not random.

RVS votes are random. That is the whole point. The reason behind it is tacked on for fun, not because it is a serious reason like yours.
Ekaru
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The meaning of semi-random is universal.
Semi-random simply means that it's not 100% random, but it also is not 0% random. That is the universal definition. I included a quote in my post so it was far more on the "not random" side of semi-random. When somebody says "random" and not "semi-random", they typically mean "100% random", AKA truly random, AKA not what my post said. Therefore you are indeed putting words into my mouth. Semi-random really isn't random by pure definition.

It's way past RVS and you should have known this.
It currently is, but not when I posted. There was no discussion when I posted.

I'm not putting any words into your mouth -- in fact, I'm taking words directly from your posts
RVS votes are random. That is the whole point. The reason behind it is tacked on for fun, not because it is a serious reason like yours.
As I've said for the billionth time, it was not really a serious vote. Just look at it. I quoted a post and then said "'K". I've also said a billion times that I planned on switching my vote the moment something better came up. Again, you're putting words into my mouth. I've been arguing this whole time that it was not a serious vote, and here you go again claiming that the reasoning was serious.

Furthermore, they are not 100% random. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. If you can post a reasoning behind your post other than "I used a RNG/rolled a die/etc." then your vote is only semi-random by the very definition and therefore is not truly random. If it's not 100% random then it's not truly random. The entire point of RVS is to try to get a vague read of people via the "reasoning" given by their "random" votes.

Rantai's vote was not random.
Exactly my point! If you believe my vote was not really random like you claim it to be and are attacking it solely because there was no reasoning tacked onto it, then why the hell aren't you attacking Rantai's post? He's even worse, because he didn't even include a quote or any explanation in his post. His post is more scummy than mine was from a purely objective viewpoint. He gave less reasoning and I did and while I wasn't even so much as trying to start a bandwagon - again, you can tell this just by looking at my post - Rantai was bandwagoning on another person's post.

But is he scum? No way to tell, because voting with no explanation is not a reliable read at all. Coincidentally, you are ignoring this point.
Ekaru
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Ekaru
Furthermore, it is not ludicrous to claim that you do not know the point of RVS because in a Newbie Game on mafiascum.net you claimed that you were not that experienced.
Ekaru
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Ekaru

Ekaru wrote:

Furthermore, it is not ludicrous to claim that you do not know the point of RVS because in a Newbie Game on mafiascum.net you claimed that you were not that experienced.
And this was like 2 weeks ago BTW.
Rantai
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Rantai wrote:

I NEED CONSISTENCY
You were being inconsistent.

That and blowing off your vote as 'semi-random' is a cop out. Either it was random or you had SOME reasoning behind it. You can't have both.
Sync
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I'm laughing at the fact that you saw that and you are using it to your advantage in this game

The point is, there was discussion prior to you voting.

Your vote was not "semi-random" because you voted him because of a post he made

Also, you agree that Rantai's vote was not random... okay...

so you say you thought it was still RVS because of what Rantai did...

you aren't making any sense
Sync
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FYI, the definition of experienced is subjective.
Ekaru
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Sync wrote:

so you say you thought it was still RVS because of what Rantai did...
Now you are indeed putting words into my mouth. Go read the thread again. I never said that I thought it was RVS because of what Rantai said. I said I thought it was still in RVS because at the time that I posted there was not much discussion. You are in fact making shit up now.

I'm laughing at the fact that you saw that and you are using it to your advantage in this game
It's called meta.

FYI, the definition of experienced is subjective.
The definition of what is "semi-random" is also subjective. I only partially voted because of that post. I also voted for the hell of it, which is what people do in RVS.

Your vote was not "semi-random" because you voted him because of a post he made
I voted partially because of a post he made and, again, partially for the hell of it. "for the hell of it" typically qualifies as "random"; ex. If you, say, suddenly start singing for the hell of it, people will call it "random behavior".

you aren't making any sense
My argument makes more sense than your claiming that I thought it was RVS because of what Rantai did. I was clearly using it to show that your argument is flawed. My argument is that claiming that somebody is scum just because they voted without explanation is fucking retarded.

Also, you agree that Rantai's vote was not random... okay...
Exactly. You claim my post isn't random in the slightest and, therefore, the same logic would apply to Rantai because his vote isn't random.
Sync
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Sync

Ekaru wrote:

All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied. Ex. What Rantai did just now, what I've seen other people do in other games, etc. Am I supposed to not do what I've seen others do? Because that really makes no sense.
2. I already told you the meaning of experienced is completely subjective. Your meta is bullshit: are you trying to say that I don't know what RVS is? Are you telling me that everything I am saying now is null because I said I was inexperienced on a completely different website?

3. It wasn't RVS

4. Ok, so your vote wasn't random

5. My argument is not flawed. You have no right to say my argument is flawed when you're denying things you've said and using something (that doesn't make sense) against me from a different site in a different game.

6. Yes, Rantai's vote isn't random. He never claimed it was. You, on the other hand, are claiming that your vote was "semi-random".
Ekaru
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Sync wrote:

Ekaru wrote:

All I did was do what I have seen other people do in mafia games; vote without much explanation because the reasoning behind their vote is implied. Ex. What Rantai did just now, what I've seen other people do in other games, etc. Am I supposed to not do what I've seen others do? Because that really makes no sense.
...

That argument is fucking retarded. Where the fuck does that say, "The game was in RVS when I posted because of something that happened way after I posted"?

2. I already told you the meaning of experienced is completely subjective.
And I already told you that whether or not the game is still in RVS at the exact point in time that I posted my vote is subjective. Both things are subjective. What is subjective is both ways. Whether or not somebody's action is semi-random is also subjective because, as I've said, semi-random is an extremely vague term; if an action is 0.001% random, then it's semi-random, and if an action is 99.99% random then it is STILL semi-random. Or at least, that's the way it's commonly used. It could technically mean something else, but that is irrelevant.

"Coincidentally"...

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/bijJXinfMtjY

Ekaru is digging himself a grave lol

this is awesome
This scenario is extremely similar to what happened in Themeless Mafia. EXTREMELY similar. Sync, you're once again scum. You're taking something that isn't really a scum tell and trying to start a bandwagon on me. As we've seen from that game and other games, scum try to get bandwagons going on D1. I never tried to start a bandwagon, but you are. You're scum, scum, scum. You're taking things that are subjective and claiming that they aren't subjective when, in fact, they are.
Sync
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Sync
"I saw Rantai post a vote that seemed 'semi-random', am I not supposed to do what other people do?"

"I didn't vote because of Rantai! I never said that!"

Are you really that desperate? Using a quicktopic from a different game to further your "argument"? To make it even worse, it's completely irrelevant! I didn't even start a bandwagon on you and I unvoted.

You are an idiot and I'm tired of you spewing out bullshit

Long posts don't make you look town
0_o
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0_o
Let's keep the name-calling to a minimum, thanks.
Rantai
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Rantai
0_o is a jerk.

<3
Ekaru
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Ekaru

Sync wrote:

"I saw Rantai post a vote that seemed 'semi-random', am I not supposed to do what other people do?"

"I didn't vote because of Rantai! I never said that!"
I never said the former. At all. I'm not sure if you knew this, but in English if someone says "Ex." in front of something, that means it's an example. Rantai is an example of somebody who voted without an explanation, and I said that because of that and because his vote was clearly not random, your argument would also apply to him. That is all I said. I never said it looked semi-random; in fact, I even said the opposite. I never said what you're claiming me to say. Are you really that desperate that you have to twist what I'm saying so severely?

To make it even worse, it's completely irrelevant! I didn't even start a bandwagon on you and I unvoted.
Uh, yes it is relevant? It's a really similar situation. You unvoted after you realized that the bandwagon was not going to work in an attempt to not look scummy; therefore, the unvote is irrelevant. You did in fact start the bandwagon by being the one who attacked me and claimed I was acting scummy over and over again, just like you are now. Who made the first vote is irrelevant because you planned on voting for me in the first place as clearly proven by the quicktopic. You are using the same strategy you used in another game where you were scum. It's relevant because it's some of the most solid meta out there - similar situation, same people, etc.

You're trying to brush off some of the most solid meta out there - a very similar situation where you attacked me over something relatively tiny - and are also severely twisting what I said about Rantai to the most unimaginable lengths. The Rantai thing in particular is making you look extremely scummy, you know.
Sync
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Sync
You are seriously twisting your own words -- it's very funny yet frustrating to me.

Drop the smart-ass bullshit and read carefully: you said you voted for Drakari because you saw other people in other mafia games do the same thing. That's a pathetic excuse if I've ever seen one.

No, it's not relevant. Want to know why? I never started the bandwagon -- not in this game, or the last game. I don't think you know what a bandwagon is. You should probably look it up.

I'm calling you out for your horrible and pathetic vote on Drakari. I'm calling you out for your horrible and pathetic attempts at trying to use meta (incorrectly).

You are of no benefit to town which makes it clear that you are scum.
DeathxShinigami
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Sync MVP
Sync
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Sync
thx
NoHitter
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My vote stays on Ekaru.
Rantai
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Just wanted to clarify, again that I actually did have my reason there.

Most of it was me agreeing to what had been said against you but I also added that you were being inconsistent.
Drakari_old
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In my experience (in games which are only similar, not the same) the "bad" group is more likely to back down when confronted, due to trying to avoid attention. Not 100% the case, but I have seen it a lot.
0_o
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Vote Count
Ekaru (3) - NoHItter, Sync, Rantai
JInxyjem (1) - Wojjan
NoHItter (1) - LadySuburu

Not voting - Backfire, JInxyjem, Drakari, Ekaru

22 hours remaining.
Sync
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Sync
mod: Do you need a hammer to lynch somebody or is it majority?
0_o
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Sync wrote:

mod: Do you need a hammer to lynch somebody or is it majority?
Whoever has the most votes at the deadline will be lynched.
Drakari_old
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Drakari_old
vote: Ekaru

No better target I've seen.
0_o
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Vote Count
Ekaru (4) - NoHItter, Sync, Rantai, Drakari
JInxyjem (1) - Wojjan
NoHItter (1) - LadySuburu

Not voting - Backfire, JInxyjem, Ekaru

18 hours remaining.

5 votes required for hammer.
DeathxShinigami
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dkun MVP

Bad argumenting all day.
Sync
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Sync
Ekaru: what have you done thus far in this game to show us that you are pro-town

nobody hammer until he answers
Sync
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Sync
I'm going to sleep now and 11 hours until deadline... it's very rare that I sleep over 9 hours in one night but I can see it being just my luck
0_o
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0_o
4 hours & 40 minutes remaining.
0_o
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0_o
Final Vote Count
Ekaru (4) - NoHItter, Sync, Rantai, Drakari
JInxyjem (1) - Wojjan
NoHItter (1) - LadySuburu

Not voting - Backfire, JInxyjem, Ekaru

--


Ekaru - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched D1

It is now Night 1

Night ends in 24 hours
Last edited by 0_o , edited 3 times in total.
0_o
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0_o
Looks like we've got some early risers! Except for one of you, that is.

LadySuburu - Townie - Nightkilled N1

It is now Day 2

You have 5 days from this post.

With 7 alive, it's 4 votes to lynch.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Oh hey guys what's---

*SPLAT*


Go town!
Sync
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Sync
No more mafia power roles~
Rantai
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Oh that's just awesome.
Drakari_old
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Drakari_old
Not bad for day 1.
Jinxy
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So I haven't been here for a while, sorry about that.

Wojjan's D1 ISO is a little odd to me, he's been on bmin/me for D1 for [url=osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=75631&p=1354047#p1354047]this post[/url] which was a joke by bmin in reply to Chris's post before that.

Also, could anyone explain Wojj's last post on Ekaru's metalane or something, I don't know the lingo
NoHitter
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I think Wojjan was saying that Ekaru's actions still fit in his town meta?
Well anyway, at the moment I think Sync is pretty much town. How Ekaru argued with Sync seemed very real.
I doubt Mafia can argue with such veracity with each other - not to mention be one of the group who voted Ekaru first.

At the moment, I would like to hear the opinions of Wojjan and Backfire - especially Backfire who didn't even comment on Ekaru yesterday.
Rantai
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Heh. My speculation is who would shoot LS?

Wojjan seems to be the only one who would fit that bill. I do too actually, take that as you will. Kind of weak reasoning I know but add that to the fact Wojjan never voted Ekaru I have a strong feeling that Wojjan is the one.
Jinxy
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Could you explain as to why you think Wojjan would kill LS?
Sync
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I have no strong tells at the moment...

it's basically "Who didn't vote for Ekaru" but it could easily be explained by inactiveness

*sigh*

I guess I'll just read through ISOs later. Going to bed now though

perhaps this game will get more active while I sleep
Rantai
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It's mainly a gut of sorts. It's hard to actually explain what I mean, just from what I think of Wojjan, Wojjan simply seems the most likely.
Sync
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It seems like you're using that gut-feeling of yours a lot recently Rantai

ARE YOU BECOMING LAZY
Rantai
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I wouldn't say lazy more than a what I perceive to be my only lead right now.
Backfire
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NoHitter - I'm lazy because they gave me vanilla. ;_;
Wojjan
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bmin11 wrote:

Confirm

inb4 drakari & ekaru mafia pair
this is the main reason I am voting bmin over and over again. I was so dang sure when I read this one of the newbies is his scum partner, but I expected it to be Darkari rather than Ekaru. I was alright with a lynch on either of them but Ekaru being PR screwing up was just as likely which is why I was as apprehensive. If I had been around or if the lynch on Ekaru was not gonna go through for some reason I probably would've voted from him too but as it stood there were quite enough votes on him I'm sure you dodn't need me in spirit.
Drakari_old
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I wouldn't say that "Not voting Ekaru" is enough of a reason to lynch someone right now, but I will say that I doubt the other mafia would have voted for his ally in that situation.

So Wojjan, Backfire, JInxyjem are the current possibilities. I'm leaning toward Backfire for trying to roleclaim vanilla townie.
Backfire
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Trying to roleclaim
No I did
But go ahead, one more game I dont have to worry about.
Sync
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Sync
nah it'd be too easy for scum

plus role-claiming vanilla townie day 2 of a 2of4 game isn't scummy
NoHitter
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Actually I think that claiming Vanilla Townie like that is a town tell.
In a game like this, Mafia should technically claim a power role to avoid getting lynched.
The very fact that Backfire claimed a role that we wouldn't think twice of lynching makes him look town.
Sync
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Sync
that and he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about this game
Drakari_old
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Eh, it was just a feeling. In the past I've explicitly claimed generic townie more when I'm not one then when I am, but it could go either way.
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Sync wrote:

that and he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about this game
I give no fucks about this or jesterfest right now.
Just waiting for touhou and my game.
Wojjan
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Tell me when you're gonna vote jinxy
Rantai
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Vote: Wojjan

It's not Hitter or Sync for sure in my opinion. bmin seemed a bit out of it but Wojjan's odd hesitation last day sticks out a hair in front (on top of gut).

Backfire, I have a null tell on due to his apathy and Drakari is actually up there in the suspicion list, but I need to see more before forming a full opinion.
0_o
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Vote Count
JInxyjem (1) - Wojjan
Wojjan (1) - Rantai

Not Voting - Sync, Backfire, JInxyjem, NoHItter, Drakari

2 days + 18 hours remaining.
Wojjan
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Rantai how can you admit to bmin acting scummmy and then vote me because I think they're scummy
not gonna get into the gut feeling because that is a can of wifom I won't open up
Sync
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hi Wojjan can you explain the meta lane thing (i'm curious)

Jinxy is being careful with his posts (FoSing instead of voting, targeting wojjan in most of his posts. probably making up for bmin's mistake. also, confirmed Drakari as "not scum" in the same post he FoS'd Ekaru, which seems very odd to me. Town doesn't know who is and isn't scum.)

NoHItter is town in my eyes for voting mafia and having reason to do so

Drakari is ????

Backfire is ???? (leaning town due to meta)

vote: Jinxy
Wojjan
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Ekaru flipping his shit was what he did as town in uh, the only other game he was ever in, was it salvage's?
I just thought people were picking on the new guy too much at first and just him posting like a madman was just panic attack but eventually I also reconsidered.
Sync
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Sync
oh ok thx

if you reconsidered why didn't you vote
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Sync wrote:

Jinxy is being careful with his posts (FoSing instead of voting, targeting wojjan in most of his posts. probably making up for bmin's mistake. also, confirmed Drakari as "not scum" in the same post he FoS'd Ekaru, which seems very odd to me. Town doesn't know who is and isn't scum.)
My reasons have all been posred beforehand. I FoS'd Ekaru because I didn't want to leave someome at L-1 when there were still 3 days, and I never confirmed Drakari as town, I just said his posts were bad and unhelpful.
Wojjan has been voting for bmin/me since Day 1. When Day 2 came, it was the only.odd thing so of course I would ask for ghs reason for voting me.
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Jinxy
ghs = his
Sync
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both of you are pretty suspicious in my eyes, but answers to questions was all I was looking for

Wojjan wrote:

Ekaru flipping his shit was what he did as town in uh, the only other game he was ever in, was it salvage's?
I just thought people were picking on the new guy too much at first and just him posting like a madman was just panic attack but eventually I also reconsidered.
this is really itching at me

Waiting for other people to help me out on this
Wojjan
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did you really need five votes instead of four on ekaru? I was just as strong on my jinxy read, from the point of my last post even stronger than ekaru because, you know, four votes on a day one lynch. Something could be up with that. I didn't feel like going out of my way from my vote on bmin to a bandwagon I was less sure of that was going to go through anyway
0_o
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0_o

JInxyjem wrote:

ghs = his
I'm actually ok with editing posts, so feel free to do so.
Wojjan
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I'm not. EBWOP is just good conduct in mafia
0_o
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Well as far as I'm concerned, if you make a spelling error then fixing it isn't a big deal. If it's a bigger issue, then by editing you take the risk that no one catches you and calls you out on it.

The only thing I would have a problem with editing out is votes. Though if you want to discuss this further we should probably take it to the General Discussion thread. There isn't anything in the rules about it atm, so it probably IS something we should come to a consensus on.
Rantai
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Wojjan wrote:

Rantai how can you admit to bmin acting scummmy and then vote me because I think they're scummy
I believe bmin was acting weirdly but not overly scummy per se.

What sticks out the most (outside gut) is your line;

... but I almost wanna vote him just to see if he's scum so I can make a case when this happens again

almost. still on bmin
It was like a really awkward "I think he's scummy but not going to vote him" kind of flick off (to appear to agree while not voting for their partner). Yeah you were tunneled on bmin, but that could also add to the flick off. I could be over reading it but that's all I have.
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Wojjan wrote:

did you really need five votes instead of four on ekaru? I was just as strong on my jinxy read, from the point of my last post even stronger than ekaru because, you know, four votes on a day one lynch. Something could be up with that. I didn't feel like going out of my way from my vote on bmin to a bandwagon I was less sure of that was going to go through anyway
You can see it that way, but you can also see it as fence sitting. Not voting for someone when he/she's going to get lynched offers many excuses as to why you didn't vote him/her depending on the situation.

For example, if the person lynched was town, the excuse could be: "I was suspicious, but my gut told me otherwise. That's why I didn't vote."
Whereas if the person lynched was scum, the excuse could be: "Oh he/she was going to get lynched anyway, but I did point out that he/she was suspicious."

So your excuse as to why you didn't vote Ekaru seems scummy.

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But that doesn't discount JInxyjem though.
JInxy only said that he wasn't going to vote for Ekaru in the meantime since there was still time and it would mean placing Ekaru at L-1.

I understand JInxy's reason to not place Ekaru at L-1 with three days left.
Placing someone at L-1 without being 100% sure is generally dangerous.
(If Ekaru had been a town power role, mafia could have quickhammered thus making us lose an important role.
Now that we know Ekaru was scum, he could have self-hammered too - ending the discussion prematurely.)

But, JInxyjem, were you/when were you planning to actually vote for Ekaru.
You said that only reason why you didn't vote for him was because there was three days left.
Now why didn't you vote for him when we had only one day left before the deadline?
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Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hook
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or you could have distanced yourself from him for this very reason
Wojjan
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no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
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I mean especially with Ekaru's townplay in themeless and the fact that the only sound argument I heard against ekaru was that he was digging his own hole in his replies. The only actual scummy thing people were building off was a misplaced randavote
Sync
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you're fucked man oh shit you're going to get lynched oh shit you're going to lose it for mafia what are you going to do now

seriously though based off every single game I've ever played it always seems like the people who I don't think are mafia are mafia



** POINTING AT DRAKARI/BACKFIRE **


WHAT DO YOU TWO HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF

edit: totally thought I was going to die N1
Wojjan
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you alwyas think that
prod those two bitches
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Wojjan
also if they don't respond or only respond with an "i'm here" and don't give thoughts on the game replace them
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NoHItter wrote:

But, JInxyjem, were you/when were you planning to actually vote for Ekaru.
You said that only reason why you didn't vote for him was because there was three days left.
Now why didn't you vote for him when we had only one day left before the deadline?
Mostly because I had work piled on after my post on the not-voting and stuff got busier, and Ekaru and Sync's long argument didn't quite help either when I only have little time between lessons to read and I had to skim quite a lot.


Wojjan wrote:

Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hook

Wojjan wrote:

no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
This argument to me is kind of weak, mostly because no one else, persian nor greek, stood against Ekaru's lynch. Most wanted his lynch, I was still hesitant during my last D1 post for the previously said reason to avoid a quickhammer, and BF wasn't even there for most of Day 1. The vaguest objection to the lynch would probably be you, actually.
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It's all I got. I didn't vote him because I voted for you who I am more sure of.
Backfire
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Requesting replace.
Jinxy
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Jinxy

Wojjan wrote:

It's all I got. I didn't vote him because I voted for you who I am more sure of.
Well, if that's the case, then I don't really have much to say. To me it's either you or Backfire who's the last mafia, and your focus on me and explanations on not voting for Ekaru D1 just don't sit right with me and make me suspect you more than Backfire.

Vote: Wojjan
0_o
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Drakari has been prodded, finding a replacement for Backfire.
Wojjan
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just lynch Jinxy when you lynch me and no hurt feelings
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JInxyjem wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hook

Wojjan wrote:

no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
This argument to me is kind of weak, mostly because no one else, persian nor greek, stood against Ekaru's lynch. Most wanted his lynch, I was still hesitant during my last D1 post for the previously said reason to avoid a quickhammer, and BF wasn't even there for most of Day 1. The vaguest objection to the lynch would probably be you, actually.
Actually, this statement hits the mark.
The only time someone opposed the lynch even the slightest was when Wojjan said that Ekaru's meta still fit the townie meta.
In addition to fence setting, I think Wojjan is the most suspicious.
Vote: Wojjan

Wojjan is at L-1.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I claim vanilla town, you're not lynching any PRs. Go town
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Ivalset replaces JInxyjem Backfire

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Ivalset
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Well, read through everything except most of the text walls involving Ekaru killing himself. I like a bmin/JInxy lynch more than a Wojjan lynch but those two seem far and away the most suspicious.

Vote: JInxyjem
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0_o wrote:

Ivalset replaces JInxyjem
you're a good sport to selfvote, ival
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