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DeathxShinigami
Please stop adding words to your quotes. It probably doesn't make sense to you cause you're adding things along. At least say "can you re-explain/reword?"
Mashley
Oh I'm here guys, don't have time to post right now but I'll slap you all in the face with some amazing analysis laterrr
bmin11
Why does it feels like the entire pages were tl;dr posts lol

Anyway, Vote: No-Lynch for obvious reason. Nothing much to gain on D1 tbh



By the way, how are you so sure there is a doctor around?
DeathxShinigami
How about?

SYNC SHUT UP

inb4 it works.

Vote: No-Lynch
bmin11
I highly doubt so
Rantai
Unvote

Fine, have it your way.
Sync

DeathxShinigami wrote:

How about?

SYNC SHUT UP

inb4 it works.

Vote: No-Lynch
sometimes DxS makes me mad

but then I realize he is DxS
DeathxShinigami
I'm DxS. I can list famous moments in my playing history about why people don't know what's going on in my thought process and mind if you'd like~
Sync
ok do it
DeathxShinigami

0_o wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

0_o, what are your thoughts on DxS's rolefishing post?
I have no idea what's going through DxS's mind most of the time. It doesn't make sense for either a pro-town OR mafia player to say, since it's not only rolefishing but blatantly obvious rolefishing. So my official opinion: no idea.
Only posting once just so you can get an idea.

Oh wait. No idea?

I'm sorry I get you mad when I type~ I just can't help it. :oops:


Just search for DxS in the mafia subforum.
Sync
what

oh, yeah i've realized you were a big ball of WIFOM since the first game I ever played with you

do you get a kick out of it
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Geez. I missed out on 6 hours of stuff.

Well, apparently, everyone's going for a massclaim. Again. On D1. You people make me sad.
Sync
it's a game with 11 jesters
DeathxShinigami
Tbh, I'm not even quite sure why I'm playing if I apparently piss people off though. People randomly ask me to come back out and play cause I'm better than there being a free slot afterall~
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Sync wrote:

it's a game with 11 jesters
11? ..I'm probably wrong, but I thought it was 12-16. o_O ('cause there are 4-6 mafia and 4-6 townies, if memory serves)
Sync
check the first post
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..Wow. First time I saw it, it wasn't there.

Then again, I just woke up. :U
Topic Starter
Mara
VOTE STATUS

No Lynch (5) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, DeathxShinigami
Sync (1) - Lybydose
Lybydose (1) - pieguy1372
Ekaru (1) - Sync
Sync
you have me on there twice silly
Topic Starter
Mara
Sharpie eye. Thanks, I just woke up.
Salvage

bmin11 wrote:

Why does it feels like the entire pages were tl;dr posts lol

Anyway, Vote: No-Lynch for obvious reason. Nothing much to gain on D1 tbh



By the way, how are you so sure there is a doctor around?



cause of posibilities






i'd love if mafia wants to risk its kill on the existance of one tho, fine with me :)
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

..Wow. First time I saw it, it wasn't there.

Then again, I just woke up. :U
About an hour later...

LunaticMara wrote:

Sharpie eye. Thanks, I just woke up.
Looks like I'm not the only one in this game that has this problem. :P
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Salvage wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

Why does it feels like the entire pages were tl;dr posts lol

Anyway, Vote: No-Lynch for obvious reason. Nothing much to gain on D1 tbh



By the way, how are you so sure there is a doctor around?



cause of posibilities






i'd love if mafia wants to risk its kill on the existance of one tho, fine with me :)
...So what you're saying is, you want the mafia to kill a doc?

...and I thought I was bad.
Salvage
you were right when you thought u were bad





dude i forgot how it felt to see you play swift, it's an unique feeling
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Salvage wrote:

cause of posibilities






i'd love if mafia wants to risk its kill on the existance of one tho, fine with me :)
...So what you're saying is, you want the mafia to kill a doc?

...and I thought I was bad.
The reason why I say this is because, if memory serves, once the mafia hits a doc target, they know who was protecting their target. Don't quote me on this, though. I can't remember how they work, and the MS Wiki is down.

P-EDIT: I know for a fact that I'm bad. I mean, my WLR (Win Lose Ratio) is like... 1:6 or 1:7. Can't remember exactly, but it's horrible.
Rantai
Vote: Salvage
Rantai
No wait, Unvote, Vote: No lynch

My mind wandered.
Rantai
Also welcome back Swift, haven't seen you in ages.
Salvage
i just can't understand how u would think the doctor works that way.
Rantai
The matter of fact is; our doctor is actually a bodyguard jester who's win condition is to get shot.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Rantai wrote:

The matter of fact is; our doctor is actually a bodyguard jester who's win condition is to get shot.
Nice role giveaway, Rantai.
Sync

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

The reason why I say this is because, if memory serves, once the mafia hits a doc target, they know who was protecting their target. Don't quote me on this, though. I can't remember how they work, and the MS Wiki is down.
lol what
Sync
I totally quoted you on that and it will lie in the banks of my meta storage for the rest of my life
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Like I said in that same quote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I can't remember how they work, and the MS Wiki is down.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Sync wrote:

I totally quoted you on that and it will lie in the banks of my meta storage for the rest of my life
Serious or not, you just made my day with that statement.
Sync
come on though it's a doctor not some random obscure role

honestly I have no idea how you would think that; it makes me think you're saying something so stupid intentionally. I've never played a game with you so I wouldn't know
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Hey, I just said I can't remember how they work. Twice, already.

Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they were like that in this game, though, since this IS a bastard mod (Unless it's just jesters in a normal mod).
Salvage
assuming those kind of things is useless since it gives more wifom to the huge ball of it we already have





also relying so much in ms it's for noobs you learn things from experience not from some shitty wiki
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Says the guy who literally stated that he read all the roles on the MS Wiki.
Salvage

Salvage wrote:

also relying so much in ms it's for noobs you learn things from experience not from some shitty wiki


i use that wiki to know the mechanics of some roles i don't know only, and after that the wiki becomes useless, you don't have to take what i'm saying as a flame against you, i'm just trying to give u some tips to become better, unless you want to stay bad which i'm pretty cool with.
Sync
lol

I read through most of the roles at least once just because I wanted to (and it has stuff for new mods who have no idea what they are doing)

but everybody thinking that scum gets to know who the doc tried to protect the night he got killed is just ridiculous
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
While I understand that you want me to improve, simply stating that relying so much on the MS Wiki is for noobs is a bit stretching it, especially since some people use it for reference.


..But okay.
Jinxy
Mara has already claimed it's not bastard, only the weirdass roles are.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Sync wrote:

lol

I read through most of the roles at least once just because I wanted to (and it has stuff for new mods who have no idea what they are doing)

but everybody thinking that scum gets to know who the doc tried to protect the night he got killed is just ridiculous
I can't remember where it was, but I could've sworn I saw it somewhere. It might not have been the doc.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

JInxyjem wrote:

Mara has already claimed it's not bastard, only the weirdass roles are.
Okay then, that means that has jesters in a normal mod.
Sync
unvote vote Yellow Swiftail Wolf
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I've made my mistake, and I know it.

Can we move on, now?
Sync
I think you're just trying to fuck with out heads
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Just FYI, I've been doing that since Less Experimental Mafia 2.
Sync
why would you justify my vote

are you a jester
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I'm as town as town can be.
Sync
I think you are mafia trying to get people to think you are a jester so they won't lynch you
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You're clever, Sync.
Sync
thx
Salvage
and as i said before we can't go on with that wifom you're naming right there sync




i want to end this game with no jester lynchs and the only way i see this happening it's with me clearing them out of the way and the doctor protecting me and staying low so mafia doens't kill him



going through that ball of wifom it's not an option for me, even tho Swift it's not acting out of normal at all, it's not a chance to lynch him.
Sync
lol

how in the world are we going to manage lynching 0 jesters when there are 11 in the game :(
Salvage
that's my goal



we can do it, it shouldn't be that hard anyways.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Yeah, good luck with that.
Sync
are you implying that you aren't a townie and that your goal is to not win with town
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Salvage wrote:

that's my goal



we can do it, it shouldn't be that hard anyways.
I'd recommend starting with the people who are claiming jester, not because of the fact that they are jesters, but because they could be using that as a fakeclaim.

Sync wrote:

are you implying that you aren't a townie and that your goal is to not win with town
I've said it before:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I'm as town as town can be.
Sync
I thought that was sarcasm
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Also, just because I have this strange hunch, I think Salvage is a Cop Jester and his win con is to search a certain amount of jesters.

But hey, it's just a random thought. You never know. It could be some other claimed cop.
Sync
mod: Do jesters have specific wincons?

how did you know this
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
First post:

LunaticMara wrote:

To make things even worse, every jester has some special powers. Are you ready for the madness?
Sync
that doesn't mean they have specific wincons
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You never know.

Hell, even Rantai said something about a doc jester wincon not too long ago.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Rantai wrote:

The matter of fact is; our doctor is actually a bodyguard jester who's win condition is to get shot.
...Okay, so it's not exactly a doc jester, but still, you get my point.
Sync
confirmed jesters:
-- Swiftail yellow wolf
-- rantai
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
Salvage
Nothing it's confirmed till it's confirmed Sync i won't go along with that they can be mafia still



the rantai thing was just an assumption i think and it's a pretty useless one just like the one everyone is doing right now, i won't base anything on assumption till i rolecop atleast a few




if there is a motivator motivate me and we have x2 confirmed per day, not for sure anyways, not so likely like the being of a doctor.
Sync
then what made you think that they would have one
Sync
using the word confirmed lightly of course
Salvage
cause doctor is commun in every mafia game




i think there's allways been one on every game i played, that's what makes me confirm it and rely on it, chance based (pretty high if you ask me).
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Also, just because I have this strange hunch, I think Salvage is a Cop Jester and his win con is to search a certain amount of jesters.

But hey, it's just a random thought. You never know. It could be some other claimed cop.
and

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
Geez. I don't know how many times you've missed the bolded words.
Sync

Salvage wrote:

cause doctor is commun in every mafia game




i think there's allways been one on every game i played, that's what makes me confirm it and rely on it, chance based (pretty high if you ask me).
no I meant the specific wincons

also I don't believe you swiftail yellow wolf

please change your name to something easier to type
Jinxy

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
Tossin' that out
Sync
he could be lying
Topic Starter
Mara

Sync wrote:

mod: Do jesters have specific wincons?

They don't, but some jesters have a bonus objective to get more powers to help themself.
Sync
oh ok thx for clearing it up
Salvage
ok guys i'm going to uni then work i probabbly won't be able to post at work this week anyways so back in about 10 hours
Rantai
... you took my bodyguard speculation seriously?

Well ok then.
roufou
Hi, Im a completely roleless town, fabolous how Im contributing
Rantai
Holy freaking who.

Hiiiiiiiiii.

Lynch Salvage please.
thelewa
I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages

why
Jinxy
So checking Rantai's ISO, he wants to lynch Salvage because Sal's the most town and least jesterly

Really now

I can't even vote Rantai because that would be defeating the point of this game
Jinxy
HI THERE QUARAEZHA
Mianki

ragelewa wrote:

I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages

why
Because smart people wanna smart
Rantai
You shouldn't be voting me anyway, I'm just a survivor.

Basically we want to lynch town (or mafia until they have 1) to allow mafia to kill off all the jesters. Then we can do whatever after that.
Rantai
But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
Ekaru

Rantai wrote:

But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
To prevent us from doing it over and over, yes; it's called "the mafia and other kill roles killing us while we do nothing."
Salvage
Okay i just made me a bit of time to post and i want to say that i find it hillarous that Rantai is PROPOSING TO LYNCH TOWN



He clearly thinks that i'm town and he's openly proposing to lynch a town member and a clear way to detect and nulify jesters



As anti town as that is i'm not voting him for reasons previously stated, i'll stick with the no-lynch situation since i think there isn't any anti no-lynch mechanism, to be honest i don't expect mara to implement that (not disregarding him, just characterizing him.)
Mashley
Vote Salvage
Because he was the first to seriously suggest a no-lynch which is obviously a ridiculous idea.
Quaraezha

JInxyjem wrote:

HI THERE QUARAEZHA
Too much nonsensical shit is going on, I don't want to join your silly claims just yet.
Mashley
You didn't expect a sensible game, did you?
Salvage
It is a ridicously idea cause people say it is.


^ That is the thing you base on to say it is an 'obviously' ridiculous idea.





The thing that you 'obviously' don't take in mind is that every game is not clearly the same, and this one is different than the others for reasons based on the setup, regarding that we know there are 11 jesters in this game and the only (best) way to end this game with a Town win is with no jester deaths and with obviously mafia taken off.


Now all this result cannot be achieved if we lynch any jester day 1, which is a really high chance this day .. a little bit less than a 50% chances of doing so, and a bit more having in mind all the wifom involved in the situation.


From all this if we no-lynch there is also needed to have in mind that a mafia kill has the same chances of hitting a jester, plus my investigation (also the possibility of Backfire being a cop too, not the same results ofc cause a normal Cop doesn't have the same succes of outing Jesters but a nice one to out Mafia instead), having the same chances of denying a jester lynch.



So basically don't take the No-Lynch thing as a similar concept or idea of how usefull it is without having in mind any situation at all, and finally with this i mean that you should analyze every situation in particular to know which chain of actions is the the one that fits it the most.
Mashley
Salvage you know we don't lose if a jester gets lynched right lol? I know we'll probably hit a jester but that will just make us more likely to hit mafia tomorrow... we can win alongside jesters.
thelewa
Salvage knows that, but he just wants a perfect win
Salvage
I don't want to, that's the point, i want town and town only to win


You're suggesting the same idea as Rantai with a different point of appoaching doing so, lynching town is no better than doing a no lynch, actually is way worse and it doesn't help the situation, doing a No-Lynch as i already said gives Mafia a use that helps town.


To be honest it all comes up to me wanting to do a no jester lynch win on town's side, and i feel like you see the things from a really objective way generalizing concepts way too much, the no-lynch here has a lot of pro's and a few cons which i personally don't agree with (the cons i mean).
bmin11
sooooo much tl;dr posts wow


I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
Salvage
There is also that, i to be honest care about a perfect win .. but the jesters could work as a 'shield' too, the thing is that doing a no lynch we protect our townies from mafia kills and take them out instead at the same time making our lynches easier to make.
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