narakucrimson wrote:

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17:02 <nold_1702> : I hv a question q_q
17:02 <narakucrimson> : tell me~
17:02 <nold_1702> : Have you ever seen a mapper who use this "Clap sound"like that 01:15:064 (1) - in boring?
17:02 <nold_1702> : 01:15:695 (2) - This clap sound.
17:03 <nold_1702> : NO
17:03 <nold_1702> : No this
17:03 <narakucrimson> : I guess so
17:03 <nold_1702> : 01:15:064 (1) -
17:03 <nold_1702> : This
17:03 <nold_1702> : Guess?
17:03 <narakucrimson> : there should be some maps with similar hitsounds :V
17:03 <nold_1702> : ww
17:03 <nold_1702> : www I didn't see them ww.
17:04 <nold_1702> : xp
17:07 <narakucrimson> : hey, ehm
17:08 <narakucrimson> : I've asked soe people about this and
17:08 <nold_1702> : Hey xp
17:08 <narakucrimson> : definitely
17:08 <nold_1702> : About what...
17:08 <narakucrimson> : Boring isn't a good name for a difficulty
17:08 <narakucrimson> : you should change it to "Calm" or something like that
17:08 <nold_1702> : But...I can't get ranked if I change it ?
17:09 <narakucrimson> : why not? o.o
17:09 <nold_1702> : Okay,,Then I change it :<...
17:09 <nold_1702> : Calm...
17:09 <narakucrimson> : or something like that
17:09 <nold_1702> : Good name..Then,I upload it?
17:10 <narakucrimson> : wait, I'll recheck the whole thing first
17:10 <nold_1702> : OKAY
17:11 <narakucrimson> : oh it seems like you forgot about another kiai in spboxer's diff
17:12 <nold_1702> : Wait.
17:12 <narakucrimson> : at 00:49:801 -
17:12 <nold_1702> : Oh god..
17:12 <nold_1702> : It's my wrong..
17:12 <nold_1702> : Fixed..
17:12 <nold_1702> : Then upload?
17:12 <narakucrimson> : also remember to end it at the same time as in the other diffs
17:12 <narakucrimson> : not yet, wait
17:12 <nold_1702> : Okay
17:15 <nold_1702> : I found a nazi in posthumous...shall I tell you?
17:15 <narakucrimson> : yeah
17:15 <nold_1702> : 01:06:222 (4) - should stack at 01:04:959 (1) - tail
17:15 <nold_1702> : but I didn't do it...now I fixed it
17:16 <narakucrimson> : oh also
17:16 <narakucrimson> : 01:28:959 (1) -
17:17 <narakucrimson> : the end is hidden, that can't happen
17:17 <narakucrimson> : sorry if it breaks the pattern...
17:17 <nold_1702> : no sorry!
17:18 <nold_1702> : I should say sorry that I am wasting your time
17:18 <narakucrimson> : also I'm a little concerned about the length of the breaks
17:18 <narakucrimson> : it's ok
17:18 <narakucrimson> : the only thing I should tell you is that I'll have to rebubble this
17:18 <nold_1702> : I know
17:18 <narakucrimson> : a lot of things have been changed so...
17:18 <narakucrimson> : :/
17:18 <narakucrimson> : sorry that I can't rank it
17:18 <nold_1702> : Not too much...
17:18 <nold_1702> : ><"
17:19 <nold_1702> : Under than 10 lol ><"
17:20 <nold_1702> : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/207299 Is it okay now.
17:21 <narakucrimson> : the end is still overlapped by something but I'd like to see how it looks when test played
17:21 <narakucrimson> : also
17:21 <narakucrimson> : in Spboxer's diff
17:21 <narakucrimson> : 01:42:538 (4) -
17:21 <narakucrimson> : please remove that clap
17:21 <nold_1702> : DONE...
17:22 <narakucrimson> : also did you receive what I said about kiais?
17:22 <narakucrimson> : I men
17:22 <narakucrimson> : mean*
17:22 <narakucrimson> : breaks
17:22 <narakucrimson> : orz
17:22 <nold_1702> : ??
17:23 <narakucrimson> : they are pretty inconsistent
17:23 <narakucrimson> : through the difficulties
17:24 <narakucrimson> : also, you can update now
17:24 <nold_1702> : It's no need to make them be consistent..
17:24 <nold_1702> : Please rank it><"
17:24 <narakucrimson> : I can't really :/
17:24 <nold_1702> : Not many Problems !><"
17:24 <narakucrimson> : I thought it was ok before but I can't really
17:24 <nold_1702> : Not really many
17:25 <narakucrimson> : also I added a red section
17:25 <nold_1702> : ...God..
17:25 <nold_1702> : My first bubble :< ..
17:25 <narakucrimson> : sorry, really, I'll rebubble it ^^

Ok, have your bubble back!

Soul-less wrote:

很好玩的图，而且相信很多人都赞同。又加上已经泡泡了，就当我送星路过吧~

Ranking gambatte!

1. 00:25:485 (1) - The jump in volume at the end of this spinner sounds weird. Fix the sections or change the spinner somehow please.
2. 03:51:380 - Move the section here 1/2 further (to 03:51:695 -) to prevent this silly loud sliderslide sound
3. 03:52:327 - Move this section to the beginning of the spinner because the beginning of the spinner sounds weirdly loud

1. Reduce AR and OD by 1 please
2. 02:52:959 (1) - I wouldn't recommend using this jump in the second easiest difficulty. Maybe remove the jump?

happy30 wrote:

Aww, I liked the old background better, it gave me a warmer feeling even though it was drawn This background makes me cold Sorry that I like this BG and this BG give me a epic feeling.

[Calm] I reduce thee AR to 3,OD3,HP3 since [Romantci]is higher than it before.

1. 00:25:485 (1) - The jump in volume at the end of this spinner sounds weird. Fix the sections or change the spinner somehow please.
   DONE
2. 03:51:380 - Move the section here 1/2 further (to 03:51:695 -) to prevent this silly loud sliderslide sound
   DONE
3. 03:52:327 - Move this section to the beginning of the spinner because the beginning of the spinner sounds weirdly loud

Done
Suggestions for the rhythm in the beginning of the map
00:33:380 (3) - I suggest changing this into a normal circle instead, because there is no sound in the song at the endpont (00:33:380 (3) So it sounds wrong to me.
00:38:432 (3) - Same thing here
00:43:485 (3) - here as well
I think this rhytm is okay and give players beats

[Romantic]

1. Reduce AR and OD by 1 please That's I must do.
2. 02:52:959 (1) - I wouldn't recommend using this jump in the second easiest difficulty. Maybe remove the jump?

Done
Other diffs are good, if you are changing anything, let it me know and I can rebubble oKAY,YOU CAN RE-BUBBLE IT NOW><"

overmap is fun , isn't it? It is.Oh no...It must be!

nold_1702 wrote:

I give up mapping...

Gonzvlo wrote:

nold_1702 wrote:

I give up mapping...

Seriously? Are you going to act like that?. I'm sorry but I can't let you do this, just because I disagree with you? That doesn't mean that you should give up mapping. Do not rush and think about it. Also, I'm not the only BAT in this game.

Just if you were wondering

22:25 <Gonzvlo> : What date is it today?
22:25 <nold_1702> : And now is 11:22 a.m.
22:25 <Gonzvlo> : Oh god, I'll try to check it today
22:25 <Gonzvlo> : I mean, right now
22:25 <nold_1702> : Okay thanks xp.
22:35 <Gonzvlo> : Uhm, you mapped to some rhythms that are not present in the song. Also, some jumps felt too ridiculous imo
22:35 <Gonzvlo> : :>
22:35 <Gonzvlo> : :<*
22:35 <nold_1702> : They're for pro.
22:35 <nold_1702> : And it's a overmap ,yup.
22:35 <nold_1702> : Many players enjoys it.
22:36 <Gonzvlo> : I see, and I understand that many players would love this map
22:36 <nold_1702> : Like a MAT fartownik
22:36 <nold_1702> : I really like the [Posthomous] diff. :I really like the [Posthomous] diff.
22:36 <nold_1702> : fartownik said that.
22:36 <nold_1702> : yup :>
22:36 <Gonzvlo> : But I wouldn't feel comfortable ranking it, I'm afraid that I'll mod the map but I won't rank it
22:36 <nold_1702> : Why not:< It's not unrankable ..ww
22:37 <nold_1702> : Please><"
22:37 <nold_1702> : Really many players love playing it ww..
22:37 <Gonzvlo> : I know it's not unrankable, but I don't agree with overmapping nor those jumps, ranking it wouldn't make me
22:37 <Gonzvlo> : feel comfortable with myself
22:38 <nold_1702> : Just see it in editor.
22:38 <Gonzvlo> : There might be some BATs that agree with overmapping and stuff, they could decide to rank it but I will not,
22:38 <Gonzvlo> : sorry.
22:38 <Gonzvlo> : I will still mod it because I promised to do so
22:38 <nold_1702> : I hv found many BATs only you and narakucrimson ><"
22:38 <nold_1702> : ... :< No....Please...beg you..
22:38 <nold_1702> : I'm a new mapper and it's my first map:<
22:39 <nold_1702> : Please><"
22:39 <Gonzvlo> : I'm sorry but I will not do it :<
22:39 <nold_1702> : Please...
22:39 <nold_1702> : It's fun at all..
22:39 <nold_1702> : Also happy30 agree that..
22:39 <nold_1702> : :< Please..
22:40 <Gonzvlo> : As I said, there might be lots of MAT/BAT that will agree with you but I don't. Overmapping has never felt
22:40 <Gonzvlo> : right to me, that's why I'll have to skip this time
22:40 <nold_1702> : If you can't , then no BAT mod it...
22:40 <nold_1702> : Oh..god....
22:40 <nold_1702> : ><"....
22:40 <Gonzvlo> : I could help you finding a BAT to check it ou, but I can't promise that he would rank it, that's up to him
22:40 <nold_1702> : Then you will not give back a bubble to me?
22:40 <nold_1702> : ><"
22:41 <nold_1702> : Who is he...
22:41 <Gonzvlo> : No, sorry, but I can't bubble/rank something that I don't agree with
22:41 <Gonzvlo> : I still don't know, I'll ask around
22:41 <nold_1702> : Then,your modding will break my first map 's bubble><"
22:42 <nold_1702> : ....No..please..
22:42 <nold_1702> : God...
22:43 <nold_1702> : Gonz
22:43 <nold_1702> : I give up mapping.
22:43 <nold_1702> : No need to mod it.
22:43 <Gonzvlo> : Don't
22:43 <nold_1702> : I think I hv to afk
22:43 <nold_1702> : Bye

ziin wrote:

Overmap is my way!

oh dear...

ziin wrote:

I do not like overmapping. There are many people like me, but I don't think there are any nearly as against it as I am. You can already see that a number of BATs won't rank the song due to the overmapping involved. Well you are certainly welcome to keep your stance on overmapping, but it's a terrible waste. You shouldn't be mapping to anything other than the music, and it's silly to overmap songs when you can do so much better by just mapping correctly.

[posthumous]
00:29:590 (1) - this section's overmap is terrible and doesn't fit at all. I also don't think you thought through your rhythms very well. I went ahead and remapped this section to show you a rhythm which doesn't suck, so download the flibbertigibbet difficulty and see if you like it. You can copy it, or just mess around with the locations, but I wouldn't mess too much with the rhythms.

On silencing notes: this is usually a bad idea, but I incorporated it into the flibbertigibbet difficulty only on the overmapped slider ends. Slider ends and spinners are the only times I will ever silence a note, since they are not always an important part of the rhythm, especially on long sustained notes that decrescendo into silence.

00:49:801 (1) - this section's overmap is nice, which is very high praise from me. It fits and you're creating a new rhythm section. I don't agree with all of it, but you're thinking like a drummer which is the most important thing. I don't mind overmapping so much in taiko for example, because the taiko drum in itself is a drum (and I don't play taiko). The problem occurs when the overmap doesn't fit the song and you run into the danger of being able to put any song to your rhythms and it sound just as good.
00:52:169 - I would leave out this beat
01:19:643 (5) - delete, add circle 1/4 later, add repeat on previous slider. One thing common in music is syncopation by using dotted notes or by putting the accent on a 1.5x beat. In this case, the accent is on 01:18:853 - 01:19:327 - 01:19:801 - these 3 beats, so the rhythm flows much better if you hit an object on those 3 beats.

01:42:853 (1) - this section i feel has awesome rhythms in the piano which you just skip because you're sticking to the beat. Sure that's good, but if you want to make this song rhythmically interesting, you can do it. I changed a few areas here, so keep an eye out for them in flibbertigibbet.

02:28:327 (1) - you had a really good thing going here and you killed it right before the climax. (reversing) tornado combos would be good here with increased spacing between each group of 4. if you don't like how repetitive that is, make the beginning of this buildup easier with more sliders and less circles.

02:33:380 (1) - now the main theme returns. While I would follow the piano, this isn't bad either. However this is the same in the music as 00:49:801 so I don't understand why you don't overmap here like you did before. If overmapping is truly your style, then you should do it as much as you can, especially when you do it well.
02:37:643 - don't forget to map this note.
02:38:274 - ^

03:21:380 (1,2) - take off the claps here

03:51:695 (1) - due to the ritardando here, I think it's unwise to map this with anything other than a spinner. You can justify it by saying you're mapping the chimes.

When I played this the first time the only part that stuck out was the first part. If you liked this mod and are willing to make the changes I may come back and mod the whole map next time along with a recheck on posthumous, but it likely won't come quickly. However, chances are gonz or lolcubes will come back and help you out.

ziin wrote:

by the way it wasn't a collab or anything like that, just a suggestion on how to do some stuff. I literally took your diff and made a few changes, so yes, it would be silly to submit it as a guest or anything. I only changed 2 sections:
00:29:590 (1) - 00:49:801
01:42:853 (1) - 02:11:906
so those were the 2 I wanted you to look at and compare with what you have currently. By all means, place them yourself, I just wanted to show you what mapping to the piano would look and sound like.

However the important thing in it is the rhythms I used (which are all taken directly from the song itself, and I threw it together in a matter of minutes, so I'm sure you can improve on the placement, which will make it "yours"). My main point is that your style, mainly in the first part is bad. It's bad rhythms, there is no drum in that part, and I really find it hard to believe you like your overmapped rhythms rather than the rhythm of the song in the piano part. You say you have no ideas, so I don't understand why you wouldn't switch?

I copied over the the 2nd part (the part I thought you overmapped well) and it sounded very good. It just doesn't make sense to only have one section of the song be so different from the rest.

happy30 wrote:

I gave some suggestions for the beginning of [Posthumous] it sounds much better now.
The difficulty is a bit too hard for this song, you know that, so keep in mind what kind of song you are mapping next time.
But it still sounds good so...

here rebubble

ziin wrote:

huzzah the first overmapped song I approve of!

Garven wrote:

[General]
Tick rate 4 sounds great with this, though 2 is probably best in the easier difficulties. (for spinboxer,POSTHUMOUS I changed them)
[Calm]
00:29:590 (1) - For a .74 star rating map, I really want more time after a spinner for recovery. (done)
00:49:801 (1) - ^ (done)
01:42:853 (1) - ^ Starting this closer to the center is also easier for recovery. (done)
02:33:380 (1) - Soon spinner yeah (done)
03:12:538 (2) - Doesn't look aligned with the slider very well. Sticking too far right. (done)
Interesting how you changed up the distance snap around. It worked pretty well. Nice job with that.
Mostly just worried about the notes after spinners for such an easy-rated map. (thank you:d)

[Romantic]
00:59:906 (1,2) - Strange that this is stacked compared to the other slider pairs around here (I think it's done...)
01:42:853 (1) - From from .5x to .75x doesn't feel right since there's no real change in intensity of the music. (I think it's not a problem.Also,I don't want a sudden slider speed increase from 0.5 to 1.0 at 02:13:169 .Therefore,I didn't change them.(The play is weel with it too.))

[spbox]
03:35:906 (4,1) - Feels like kind of a large jump into a stream pattern. (It's spboxer3's diff)

[Posthumous]
I already posted my general opinion about the pace of the map earlier.
01:28:959 (1,1,1,1) - Set these sliders at about 1.2x - 1.25x speed to keep with the gradual increase of velocity through this pattern. 1.2x felt best to me. (DONE)
03:49:169 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The transition from 1/4s to 1/2s here, then to 1/4s again feels kind of weird since the entire song is slowing down, not winding up to a final burst right at the end. (I changed it to only 1/2 notes.)

IceBeam wrote:

[Spinboxer]
you shouldn't silence notes,as it's required to have all notes to be heard clearly
so,please,fix all section with volume below 20% (exceptions are spinners)

01:07:485 (5) - mind on moving it a little farther to show 1/1 space clearly? sure
01:37:801 (4,5,1) - not pretty sure of these,hm..maybe clear them a out a little more by doing suck kind of stack or anything else? sure

SPOILER

02:41:590 (1,2,3) - make an equal spacing between them? umm.. I don't like this~so... sorry
03:02:432 (1,2,1,2) - shouldn't it be like this? D: swtiched (1) ok

SPOILER

03:07:485 (1) - mind on increasing distance? looks a bit close to previous object ok

IceBeam wrote:

nice in general

[Calm]
01:10:011 (1) - I quiet don't get why reverses are on the red ticks. it doesn's sound right..and looks like you was lazy to map this part so you filled it with a reverse-slider :p I'd like you to make something better
01:52:959 (1) - well,I got your idea,but I'd rather shorten this slider by 1/2 (01:53:590)
03:11:274 (1,2) - it's a bit our of whole mapping style,you didn't placed object closer then 1/2 yet,so I'd just continue this slider up to 03:12:538
03:21:380 (1) - and here,you could shorten it by 1/2,though this one is less evil
03:39:064 (1) - shape doesn't look cute honestly :<

also,this slowdown part is a bit awkward,as the sliders are slowdowned but objects are spaced out of 1x,so technically all these objects are "jumps",though it's not hard in any case to play

[Quiet]
probably you shouldn't use 1/4 rhytm so much in the diff next to beginner,but at least it fits well

02:38:432 (1,2,1,2) - I'd change them to simple reverse-sliders

[Romantic]
00:27:695 (1) - why no start this spinner as in other diffs? it'd make better score spread I think
01:08:748 (1) - that was akward to me shorthen this slider to 01:09:380 and then make a reverse-slider if you want to keep those notes?
02:15:695 (1) - dat slider
02:37:485 (5) - shorten this slider to 02:37:801 and add a note to 02:37:959 (6)? sounds more right to me
02:42:538 (5,6) - ^
03:04:959 (3) - fix spacing,it looks like 1/2 here
03:52:959 (1) - start spinner from here? bpm changes a lot,but you can't see/feel it as the notes are stacked

[Spinboxer]
you shouldn't silence notes,as it's required to have all notes to be heard clearly
so,please,fix all section with volume below 20% (exceptions are spinners)

01:07:485 (5) - mind on moving it a little farther to show 1/1 space clearly?
01:37:801 (4,5,1) - not pretty sure of these,hm..maybe clear them a out a little more by doing suck kind of stack or anything else?

SPOILER

02:41:590 (1,2,3) - make an equal spacing between them?
03:02:432 (1,2,1,2) - shouldn't it be like this? D: swtiched (1)

SPOILER

03:07:485 (1) - mind on increasing distance? looks a bit close to previous object

[Posthumous]
well,I think we can't actually use tickrate 4 here,as the score is near 18 mil..
so I don't know,it will cause some issues,w/o a doubt,so better change it back to 2,and in SB's diff as well,for consistency

well,I won't say anything new - overmapped
so I actually have no idea how to mod it,so let's leave it as it is

IceBeam wrote:

good luck then

Gaba wrote:

Nice map, gratz.

Shiirn wrote:

=|

Shiirn wrote:

=|

Sun Rainbow wrote:

邪恶的NOLD终于被我超越了！！

。。。。。。

这几个红红的不是昨天在MP里的好基友们吗

竟然按名次排28.29.30.31！

nold_1702 wrote:

Sun Rainbow wrote:

邪恶的NOLD终于被我超越了！！

。。。。。。

这几个红红的不是昨天在MP里的好基友们吗

竟然按名次排28.29.30.31！

lol~竟然開easy...你嬴了Q_Q


這麼神奇的lol(其實不神奇ww
我們都不知如何玩ctb你竟然開nf 你比我更鬼觸><""

Shiirn wrote:

=|

Wishy22 wrote:

So, is the ranked version of this "overmapped" or it got "fixed"? Still the ranked version is great, if this is overmapping damn I fucking love it.

ziin wrote:

bad overmapping got fixed, good overmappoH ing stayed.

Wishy22 wrote:

Shiirn wrote:

=|

If you mean "how could this shit get ranked", let me tell you this is way more fun to play than any of your maps tbh.

D33d wrote:

"You're a mapper, not a composer."

ziin wrote:

D33d wrote:

"You're a mapper, not a composer."

you can be a composer too. It's just a lot easier and usually sounds better to be a mapper.

D33d wrote:

ziin wrote:

you can be a composer too. It's just a lot easier and usually sounds better to be a mapper.

I'm not sure if you were talking about how hitsounds can be used to complement music or just composing music and mapping it, but in the sense of creating patterns to fit music, it's generally a given that one should stick to existing rhythms. If I know a song or listen to a preview, I don't want to have a load of complicated patterns foisted upon me when the song gives no indication of this.

nold_1702 wrote:

2.I just want to lead the rhythm by using hitsound.If you set the hitsound nearly slience in a song,why you still have to add hitsounds?

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

Hi, I like 3.14159265.

ziin wrote:

There's no problem with writing a new drum part to a song if the hitsounds represent drums. You just have to do it well.

Sync wrote:

he means he likes pi

get it

ziin wrote:

hitsounds are sounds played at certain points. A musical instrument is something that you can control to make sounds at any given time. There's no problem with writing a new drum part to a song if the hitsounds represent drums. You just have to do it well.

And by the way, the last I checked there's only like 20 overmapped notes in the song. That's less than a vicho difficulty.

ziin wrote:

nold_1702 wrote:

2.I just want to lead the rhythm by using hitsound.If you set the hitsound nearly slience in a song,why you still have to add hitsounds?

because you change the rhythm at that point. There was silence for a reason, and you shouldn't be hitting anything on silence.

nold_1702 wrote:

3.Mapper makes the song better,therefore we are helping the composer

Natteke wrote:

Wow, this map is awesome