Okay sure, but comboburst images hould be limited to around 388x767 (roughly 1:2 aspect ratio) . Your image is 800x800 which is just far too big (and will take up most of the screen) for osu!.Sarumaru wrote:
What neo@lex was pointing out was when I originally posted the png, it was corrupted and was not showing anything from the waist down. The reason this image is from shoulders up only, or rather, a bust shot is because in OTO/EBA the are also bust shots.
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i would like to see a 3d dancing CHIBI pippi. y make here ...not chibi? it looks cuter.
Probably doable. I imagine the non-chibi will be the standard, but that doesn't mean it's an absolute restriction.
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Sorry, I forgot to post a new picture. I've been working a lot on the head this weekend, though (sort of).
Ignore the shading problem between the nose and the mouth, I'm too lazy to fix that right now. Things left to finish include parts of the hair, the nose (specifically, the bridge) and a few other details improving the overall depth of the face.
The hair looks kind of silly from the side, though. I'm thinking about going with the simple look of the combo burst image and just have two or three stripes of black hair followed by flat, "normal" hair instead of having stripes all the way to the back.
Ignore the shading problem between the nose and the mouth, I'm too lazy to fix that right now. Things left to finish include parts of the hair, the nose (specifically, the bridge) and a few other details improving the overall depth of the face.
The hair looks kind of silly from the side, though. I'm thinking about going with the simple look of the combo burst image and just have two or three stripes of black hair followed by flat, "normal" hair instead of having stripes all the way to the back.
I really like Pippi now :3 Without that mouth-nose shading problem you mentioned this would be pretty awesome.
*stars the model*
EDIT: Oh, that makes the topic actually starred? *removes* <_<
*stars the model*
EDIT: Oh, that makes the topic actually starred? *removes* <_<
Aye, the nose needs a bit of work. I think the tip's too low.
The nose and mouth need some touch-ups, and maybe the cheeks and chin too. But the top half of the head looks pretty much perfect aside from maybe some detail on the black hair, and thanks to Sarumaru and Loginer 3d Pippi's looking better than ever. <3
You also need to make her eyebrows float in front of her face & hair, like on the pic below. 
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I've been pretty busy lately, so there hasn't been any progress with the head. However, I have messed around a bit with some of the materials on the body, and Pippi's clothes no longer look like they're made of clay as much as they did before. :D
Sorry, but that probably wouldn't look right in 3D.adamskii_uk wrote:
You also need to make her eyebrows float in front of her face & hair, like on the pic below. :) :lol:
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Here's a new render, with the big shading problems fixed and the nose/hair finished. I know, I know, *insert part of the face here* is too far to the left and totally ruins everything, but that can be fixed later. So could we please say this is head is good enough for the moment and move on with the project? 
Edit: Lowered the hairline, raised the nose slightly.
Edit: Lowered the hairline, raised the nose slightly.
it's good enough for the moment
move on with the project
move on with the project
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AND THE VOTING IS OVER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
While modeling this new face, however, I realized how much MeshSmooth sucks, so I'm going to try smoothing the body mesh out myself. Just a second...
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The head looks a bit flat from this specific angle due to the shape of the hair, but it'll look fine in a front perspective. Side view:
While modeling this new face, however, I realized how much MeshSmooth sucks, so I'm going to try smoothing the body mesh out myself. Just a second...
Edit:
The head looks a bit flat from this specific angle due to the shape of the hair, but it'll look fine in a front perspective. Side view:
i see. she has an E.T. posture but i guess that can be fixed later. now im really anticipating this new feature.
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That could end up being tricky to fix later, so I fixed it now (sort of). I also fixed a few other issues such as the hole you can see in the side view render.
Hmm, I can't help but feel that the arms and legs should be slightly thinner than it is, and shoulders should be less broad.
The torso somehow looks a bit out-stretched to me as well.
Maybe you can try using the models from "MikuMikuDance" as reference to proportions.
Other than that, Nice job!
The torso somehow looks a bit out-stretched to me as well.
Maybe you can try using the models from "MikuMikuDance" as reference to proportions.
Other than that, Nice job!
Might be just me, but I thiiink her neck's a bit too short.
Looking awesome so far, though O: Can't wait for this feature to come out
Looking awesome so far, though O: Can't wait for this feature to come out
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Did the neck vanish? No, it didn't, but something looks very inhuman about it. The head looks too pointy? Remember, the thickest part of the head is like 25% of the way down from the top. And it's pretty even most of the way down. And if that's the case with the model there, something else has gone awry.
Face feels a bit flat on the front/forehead 
Are you using the envelopes? I never got the hang of those things, so i usually just manually set the weights. It's not as hard as it sounds. lol. I've also never used CAT though. Good luck!Loginer wrote:
If anyone's wondering why I'm still doing these little tweaks, it's because skinning Pippi is harder than I thought, if only because CAT is forcing me to use Skin instead of Physique. D:
Anyway, as soon as I wrap my head around this modifier, I'll post a few new pics and attempt to create a neat wallpaper. If you really want to see Pippi fight a refrigerator while kicking a hamster with her heels or something equally retarded, post your request here.
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Do it.JarJarJacob wrote:
I'd like to see a hamster fight Pippi while she tries to refrigerate her heels.Loginer wrote:
If you really want to see Pippi fight a refrigerator while kicking a hamster with her heels or something equally retarded, post your request here.
I request Rule 34.
Isn't there another rule saying you can't request that? I thought rule 35 was that if you can't find it you have to make your ownneo@lex wrote:
I request Rule 34.
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Download: Lady Gaga ft. Space Cowboy - Christmas Tree (Agent Spin Here) [Tanomoshii Nekojou's Crazy Christmas~].osu
Download: Lady Gaga ft. Space Cowboy - Christmas Tree (Agent Spin Here) [Tanomoshii Nekojou's Crazy Christmas~].osu
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I'll get started on both requests as soon as 3ds stops being gay. I've already skinned one half of the model once, but I couldn't figure out how to mirror everything to the other half (there is a function called Mirror Mode, but it didn't feel like working). After editing the head a bit, I also managed to undo everything I had done with the Skin modifier somehow, so I'll have to start all over again. Requesting a better program to skin this thing in.
Dunno if you know you moved some verts around or what when you changed stuff, but so long as the vertex order doesn't change, saving your weights out to a file (under the advanced section of the skin modifier) can help save some time if things get broken, you can just load them back up.
The Mirror mode used to not work for me, but then one day it just randomly started working. I think there's some stuff or something you have to play with.
Sorry if you knew all that already, I only have experience with 3ds Max, so I can't really say if there are easier programs for skinning.
The Mirror mode used to not work for me, but then one day it just randomly started working. I think there's some stuff or something you have to play with.
Sorry if you knew all that already, I only have experience with 3ds Max, so I can't really say if there are easier programs for skinning.
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ohhhh...did i derail everyone's train of thought? as i have sed before, this is an issue and it will have to be delt with. how did luigihan's ChiBA dancers work? 
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They just waved their arms from side to side, IIRC. Either way, there's not much of a discussion to derail in here. We should definitely focus on the dancing, and try to develop a unique set of dance moves rather than ripping everything straight out of Ouendan/EBA.
I would settle for punching air in time with the notes. Serious punching. Jumping around the screen 'punching a swarm of flies to death' punching.Loginer wrote:
They just waved their arms from side to side, IIRC. Either way, there's not much of a discussion to derail in here. We should definitely focus on the dancing, and try to develop a unique set of dance moves rather than ripping everything straight out of Ouendan/EBA.
That'd be neat. She could be programmed to punch in the direction of the hitcircles as they are hit.JarJarJacob wrote:
I would settle for punching air in time with the notes. Serious punching. Jumping around the screen 'punching a swarm of flies to death' punching.Loginer wrote:
They just waved their arms from side to side, IIRC. Either way, there's not much of a discussion to derail in here. We should definitely focus on the dancing, and try to develop a unique set of dance moves rather than ripping everything straight out of Ouendan/EBA.
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Fuck yes, Running in the 90s Easy will be AWESOME.JarJarJacob wrote:
So, sliders should be punching to the ticks?LuigiHann wrote:
That'd be neat. She could be programmed to punch in the direction of the hitcircles as they are hit.
...Nah, sliders should make Pippi follow the slider with her hands.
Fuck yes, Marisa's slider stream will be AWESOME.
on pauses, she should do the pippi pose. one hand on hip, other in a fist. she'll be all the " Raise the roof!""
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While punching the hitcircles would be neat, that alone would get repetitive after a while, and I'm not sure how feasible it would be to code that. Now, could we please try to come up with some sort of "moveset" instead of focusing on how awesome punching things would be? :\
I'm up for an exaggerated karate dance style. Mostly punching, but in different styles.Loginer wrote:
While punching the hitcircles would be neat, that alone would get repetitive after a while, and I'm not sure how feasible it would be to code that. Now, could we please try to come up with some sort of "moveset" instead of focusing on how awesome punching things would be? :\
I know this is more peppy's area, but as far as moves go, I say give her a basic set of defaults and give people a utility to create their own per song or whatever. Like MikuMikuDance. so far Osu! has been really customizable, and i think it'd be fun to have do a unique set of dance moves for a song.
A utility would take a load off Pippi's Animator, which I'm assuming is Loginer, cause then he'd only have to come up with the defaults. Anyways, I'll shut up now, as i'm sure I've just pissed several people off. lol.
exaggerated karate dance style sounds like it could be fun.
A utility would take a load off Pippi's Animator, which I'm assuming is Loginer, cause then he'd only have to come up with the defaults. Anyways, I'll shut up now, as i'm sure I've just pissed several people off. lol.
exaggerated karate dance style sounds like it could be fun.
Having different sets of styles would almost be a must, I would think. You don't want her to be bouncing up and down like a tween on unprescribed Ritalin when the song is slow and sad.
So is it just going to be Pippi or are there going to be support dancers? Just wondering.
Pippi doesn't need support dancers.
Just 2 dance styles would be enough, 1 for each soundset. In the situation that a map switches soundsets several times, there would be a 'Don't inherit dance style' check box, in case you don't want pippi to switch from 'slow and sad' to 'bouncing up and down like a tween on unprescribed Ritalin' on the spot.awp wrote:
Having different sets of styles would almost be a must, I would think. You don't want her to be bouncing up and down like a tween on unprescribed Ritalin when the song is slow and sad.
hmm...i get the feeling Pippi might clash with some skins and their color scheme....color customizable Pippi? 
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How about putting her in osu!, rather than Pokémon Stadium? That would be brilliant!kideddie1501 wrote:
hmm...i get the feeling Pippi might clash with some skins and their color scheme....color customizable Pippi?
I DEMAND A .IPSLoginer wrote:
How about putting her in osu!, rather than Pokémon Stadium? That would be brilliant!kideddie1501 wrote:
hmm...i get the feeling Pippi might clash with some skins and their color scheme....color customizable Pippi?
She only has one color, it shouldn't be too hard to make that adjustable. But I'd call that a pretty low priority relative to, you know, putting her in the game and having it work.
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It's not hard at all, it's not even on the priority list. It's as simple as editing a few .png files you'll find right next to the .x file, although I should probably write these things down somewhere instead of expecting people to be psychic.LuigiHann wrote:
She only has one color, it shouldn't be too hard to make that adjustable. But I'd call that a pretty low priority relative to, you know, putting her in the game and having it work.
Anyway, after a few nights of picking my ear, drinking soda and lurking on boards instead of working on important things, I'm feeling like getting something done right now, so we'll see how things end up today as soon as brb sleep
i dont want pippi to take up the entire screen though. exactly how big is she gonna be? also, if she were to follow the sliders with her hands...what would happen with etna sliders?
Relax, the developer is not an idiot.
I agree with kideddie, I don't think Pippi should be massive in the bakground like Oendan/EBA
yea, the EBA/dudes in black take up most of the screen, also imagine the stress that would put on pc's. i think it would be funny to see Pippi seisuring because of etna and kick sliders. lol
Not very much.kideddie1501 wrote:
also imagine the stress that would put on pc's.
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Just...kideddie1501 wrote:
also imagine the stress that would put on pc's.
What...
How...
Seriously, we're discussing dance moves here. Stop talking about size, recoloring and other crap.
And I really need to model a new hand one of these days.
we are discussing everything that has to do with the Pippi model....kudos to the frustrated Pippi though. It was a laugh.
that hand sucks
steal a hand from a miku model or something
steal a hand from a miku model or something
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It doesn't look that bad. Then again, I'm basing this off my own hand, so I may be some sort of deformed freak here.
I don't if this was mentioned: change dance/moveset with start of each combo.
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GAHPeople wrote:
hands hands hands
Fine, I'll model a new hand.
That hand was also much smaller than the face.
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The thickness isn't too bad, actually. Looks good for man-hands. A bit too thick in this case yeah, but don't go cutting it in half or anything.
It looks a tad flat from the top though - pay close attention to your hand's natural shape. The thumb, for example, should be below the fingers when holding the hand parallel to the ground.
The view from below looks great though.
It looks a tad flat from the top though - pay close attention to your hand's natural shape. The thumb, for example, should be below the fingers when holding the hand parallel to the ground.
The view from below looks great though.
This looks pretty slick in-game. There's a tiny bit of tidying up to do once I get back to my PC though. Real tiny.
UPDATE: Still some tiny (even tinier than before) AA issues. Maybe I'll bug Saru for the psd.
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You should be thanking Sarumaru (the artist of that picture) - he's the one that bothered me enough to crop and format it correctly.kideddie1501 wrote:
i like it. good job! :)
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"Your foes list has been updated successfully."kideddie1501 wrote:
i just realized how wierd the Pippi model's chest looks...either she has cans or not.
Something about your posts really manage to tick me off.
what really concerns me is the fact that this Pippi dancer might be a distraction during gameplay..i imagine this would be more of an add on or graphics option rather than something forced upon players who dont want the dancer. 
( this whole idea is more of a colaboration since many people are working at this together )
( this whole idea is more of a colaboration since many people are working at this together )OOPS..too many posts? ah, well... the combo burst....i like that its all shiny and cute :3 but what if i like the original? would that be an option? switching between chibi Pippi and PippiX?
Can you try thinking before asking a question? Combobursts are skinnable at this very moment. If you like the original, just keep that from the template skin.
ok, ok. i didnt know
Thanks for reminding me that I need to fix this, though. To the desktop withya! (EDIT: And boom, updated post)
Amazing work on this Everybody. Great community work right there.
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Needs more stars...lots and lots of them.
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Oh yeah. You can also confirm this in Multiplayer: In EBA, I think, the characters will always dance based on the difficulty, so if you choose a Diva to play as and play Medium, she'll do the male version of the dance. In Ouendan 2, the characters will always do their gender's dance.soradg123 wrote:
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Hey loginer
could I see your wires for the pippi model?
also for all those who think there is a possability of a male character?
could I see your wires for the pippi model?
also for all those who think there is a possability of a male character?
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So how many tris will the osu engine be supporting? Also will the eyes be posable or just there, becasue I'm having trouble fitting mine.
Edit: his hair isn't even done and it's already around 20,000 tris , the head when mirrored is around 1000
Edit: his hair isn't even done and it's already around 20,000 tris
, the head when mirrored is around 1000ive already proposed a male character in the osu! fan art thread.
I think that a male mascot could stand to look a good deal less like the female mascot...
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If you think that's a lot, think again: the DS graphics hardware can handle 6144 vertices limited to 2048 polygons.
I thibk I found a way to greatly decrease the tri count, just need to delete all the unseen faces, so does anyone want to make suggestions as to the name/design of th character I'm modeling? (not Poppy, that sounds like a gandpa)
so I should aim for about 20000 tris? doesn't sound too hard.
so I should aim for about 20000 tris? doesn't sound too hard.
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It's not the end of the world if it ends up at 25,000 or 30,000 triangles, but you'll want to keep things as low-poly as possible without sacrificing quality.
@Echo: An Irrlicht app displaying nothing but a cel-shaded Pippi with no AA runs at 200 FPS on my laptop. Put two copies of her on the screen (about 25,000 triangles), and the frame rate drops to 100 FPS. Keep in mind that there are people with much worse GPUs playing osu!, and we'll want to make sure they can keep dancers enabled without the frame rate dropping.
There might also be scenarios where two or more dancers are on the screen at the same time; what if someone wants to make something resembling the end of Ouendan 2? And like I said previously, there are more reasons to keep things low-poly than just performance.
@Echo: An Irrlicht app displaying nothing but a cel-shaded Pippi with no AA runs at 200 FPS on my laptop. Put two copies of her on the screen (about 25,000 triangles), and the frame rate drops to 100 FPS. Keep in mind that there are people with much worse GPUs playing osu!, and we'll want to make sure they can keep dancers enabled without the frame rate dropping.
There might also be scenarios where two or more dancers are on the screen at the same time; what if someone wants to make something resembling the end of Ouendan 2? And like I said previously, there are more reasons to keep things low-poly than just performance.