Echo wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?

My mistake, fixed. So you would pick 0_o over adam? Can you show me what makes you think that adam must be paired with nardi?

the reason adam and nardi were under heightened suspicion in the first place was because of strager's bandwagon theory - a point which is entirely moot now that i know that strager is mafia and nardi is not. i also, i must confess, have not gone back to do a post study of adam to try and move him back off of the default suspicion again. perhaps i should do that after church.


0_o on the other hand has made like 90% of his posts in defense of strager. Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments? at least thats the feel i got from them. It looks to me like hes trying to defend strager but doesnt know how, and i personally say that a VILLAGER should always know why theyre defending someone before they actually start defending them. Since 0_o apparently didnt, i strongly suspect that he more than any other player is likely to be strager's accomplace.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?

Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?

As SFG said, I was not the only one to defend strager, so don't try using that as an argument that I'm scum. Also, I've said at least once that I don't like strager's suspicious behavior and that I'm suspicious of him. If I was in cahoots with strager, I wouldn't be pushing suspicion on him (or obviously myself).

I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.

What I think about the other players in no particular order

Echo - I don't think he's mafia. But he's really good at this game so maybe he is and he's just covering it up good. I'm not sure what to think atm~

0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.

Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went... I won't use the same thing on olinad. Unless that's what he wants me to think... brb WIFOM (PS Oli, post moar plz)

adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum

SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-

strager - I'm very suspicious of him. On one hand he could truthfully be the doctor and we should keep him safe, but on the other hand he could easily be mafia. I'm still trying to analyze information in my head about what I think about strager. :/

0_o wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?

Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?

lol the reason the "?" was there is cus i dont remember specifics, lemme go back and look


"We'll see. I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent " <--- lol i found an emotional argument but it wasnt talking about strager really lemme keep looking


"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."


"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."


"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"

thats prolly enough

Derekku wrote:

SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-

Echo asked me what i thought about adam. what ive said is basically that i dont particularly suspect him but i also havent done my research on him yet

Since everyone else seems to be doing this I'll do it myself, in the order I want to say something.

Echo
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me. I can only think of two reasons:

He is a Mafia and will kill me later. This doesn't seem to convincing for me.
He is a Cop and looked at my role last Night, and realizes I am not a Mafia.

Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?

adam
He seems to be random voting today, and generally playing with everyone because of that. I doubt that means he's a Mafia but of course that can't be ruled out.

0_o
Until you explain why you're not considering Echo as a Mafia I'm keeping my vote on you as some pressure. I know why you are defending me, and I am grateful, but as I said before sometimes you defend me when I don't need to be defended (TODO: find references; I may be wrong).

Olinad
Of course Olinad's latest post is only to make sure another nardi incident doesn't happen again, so it's impossible to determine if he's a Mafia or a Townie just by him posting.

But let's look inside his post.

Olinad wrote:

*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it.

I didn't cover myself up because that'd be a Mafia tell I think.

Olinad wrote:

*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.

Confusion is encouraged by the Mafia I believe. I know I've been confusing but that's by my nature I guess. (If you've spoke to me IRL...) Staying away from the confusion ... I don't know how to take that myself. Whatever; this part doesn't lead me anywhere.

Olinad wrote:

*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really

In his defense he really hasn't been attacked with a convincing argument.

Olinad wrote:

*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.

Indeed; see below.

adam wrote:

*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious

Neither I but he seems to be arousing confusion a bit, though I just think he's being playful.

0_o wrote:

*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.

Nothing else to say for him?

SFG
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Genius! But why aren't you voting for 0_o with me, if you think we are both Mafia?

Derekku
I'll just go through his latest post.

Derekku Chan wrote:

I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.

lol at point 1.

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.

He defends me because he believes me. He also believes in my bandwagon theory, as he has stated, and is most of the reason he's voting for adam.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went...

Hmm, I wonder who pushed the vote on nardi for that.

Derekku Chan wrote:

adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum

What hasn't been suspicious about adam, really? He's said a whole lot of nothing lately, IMO.

Ohh ok, I thought by emotional arguments you meant like playing heartstrings Anyway:

"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."

iirc this was in response to strager wondering why I wasn't voting Echo when I was defending him. And it's true, I thought Echo was wrong about strager, but just because I don't agree with someone's reasoning doesn't necessarily mean I think they are mafia.

"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."

I'll admit, there wasn't a lot (or any) of hard evidence here. It was the first day, and we didn't have a lot to go on (and I already said I wasn't voting strager). So yes, this was mainly random/instincts.

"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"

Pretty much this The only people who really got any attention conversation-wise was strager and Echo. There was little to no evidence against anyone else, so I didn't want to vote for either of them, then all I really had to go on was intuition.

And to strager: I already said before that I haven't counted him out as mafia. It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.

0_o wrote:

It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.

Can you respond to what I said elsewhere in that post you responded to?

strager wrote:

Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.

strager wrote:

Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.

Just because he hasn't mentioned you yet doesn't mean he isn't suspicious of you anymore. I think right now he's just trying to get information from everyone else, since we've been so focused on you so far.

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.

Just because he hasn't mentioned you yet doesn't mean he isn't suspicious of you anymore. I think right now he's just trying to get information from everyone else, since we've been so focused on you so far.

Well this was the tip-off:

Echo wrote:

I would advise that no one else vote strager as he is on L-1 L-2 right now. If you do vote him, you better make sure you have a nice argument.

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Vote log

Day 1
Continued from viewtopic.php?p=142472#p142472
SFG: adam
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BagelBob: -
BagelBob: nardi
SFG: -
SFG: nardi
0_o: -
0_o: nardi
BagelBob: -
strager: Echo
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Lynch: nardi (Vanilla Townie)
Kill: BagelBob (Vanilla Townie)

Day 2
strager: SFG
adam: strager
SFG: strager
strager: -
0_o: adam
strager: -
strager: 0_o
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Olinad: SFG

Derekku, you missed this post. Please answer this question:

Out of adam and 0_o, who would you vote and why?

adam2046 wrote:

If I had to, I would probably vote Derekku since he seems to subtly be all buddy buddy with strager in this game...hmm actually
Then again 0_o has been acting rather weird...I haven't really seen him play much so I don't really know.
Also I don't like his "gut feeling" excuse for voting, it makes him sound like a weirdo.

Oh and this is one of the things that made me suspicious of Derek:

Derekku Chan wrote:

I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.

I'm finally throwing my vote down.

Vote. Echo.

*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*

I saw this as pretty much trying to derail discussion on strager.

If strager is mafia I would probably vote Derek over 0_o (unless something else comes up) if strager is human I would most likely vote for Echo (but I would probably be lynched that next day though)

Too bored...

...I should be worse at being mafia so it's easier to tell when I'm a human.

I said that because I was sick of the arguing back and forth. Now I see that I shouldn't have posted that and I was just raging that night because I wasn't feeling good. Like I said earlier, I'm not "buddy buddy" with strager. I'm very suspicious of him just like most of us are.

Echo wrote:

Derekku, you missed this post. Please answer this question:

Out of adam and 0_o, who would you vote and why?

After rereading, I'm going with adam.

In this post, I said that I wasn't suspicious of adam. I said that because he hasn't said a whole lot, but now that I think about it, that only makes him MORE suspicious. He has hardly backed up any of his claims at all. What started off as a random vote against strager quickly turned into some sort of plan. Every time he has voted for strager, he's acted like strager is just another person instead of scum. If adam is mafia, then this fits. His goal is to eliminate all townies, which makes strager one too (save his possible aux role). I've hardly seen anything useful from adam's posts. 0_o, Echo, SFG, strager, and myself all defend our accusations on others and accusations against ourselves.

So: Vote adam

Derekku Chan wrote:

I'm not "buddy buddy" with strager.

D=

</wrists>

Derekku Chan wrote:

In this post, I said that I wasn't suspicious of adam. I said that because he hasn't said a whole lot, but now that I think about it, that only makes him MORE suspicious.

I see how far that reasoning went with nardi.

Derekku Chan wrote:

He has hardly backed up any of his claims at all. What started off as a random vote against strager quickly turned into some sort of plan. Every time he has voted for strager, he's acted like strager is just another person instead of scum.

I guess that is true. If I recall his reasoning for voting for me yesterday was because I was suspicious and Echo had a convincing argument.

Derekku Chan wrote:

If adam is mafia, then this fits. His goal is to eliminate all townies, which makes strager one too (save his possible aux role). I've hardly seen anything useful from adam's posts. 0_o, Echo, SFG, strager, and myself all defend our accusations on others and accusations against ourselves.

I still don't see how this makes adam a Mafia. Can you try explaining in a different way?

strager wrote:

I see how far that reasoning went with nardi.

nardi barely posted at all. But I meant: Whenever adam posts, it's nothing useful.

strager wrote:

I guess that is true. If I recall his reasoning for voting for me yesterday was because I was suspicious and Echo had a convincing argument.

Exactly. adam keeps saying over and over that you're "suspicious", but hasn't backed it up with anything of his own. At least Echo had arguments.

strager wrote:

I still don't see how this makes adam a Mafia. Can you try explaining in a different way?

What I said above in this post =)

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strager wrote:

Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?

I realise I don't know enough about anyone other than you, since I spent too much of yesterday focussing on only one person. I'm just trying to salvage as much information as I can.

olinad: can you please rate, in order, who you would vote for out of adam, derekku and 0_o and why?

mod: vote count, and please prod olinad to answer the question above (pm with a link or something)

edit: strager, why are you suddenly so defensive of adam?

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?

I realise I don't know enough about anyone other than you, since I spent too much of yesterday focussing on only one person. I'm just trying to salvage as much information as I can.

Eh, so you're claiming Cop? Because you say you know something about me.

Echo wrote:

edit: strager, why are you suddenly so defensive of adam?

I'm not. I'm trying to find out why Derekku says he is a Mafia. Maybe I'm just missing something in his logic, but it seems as if he's giving bogus reasoning.

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Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

I realise I don't know enough about anyone other than you, since I spent too much of yesterday focussing on only one person. I'm just trying to salvage as much information as I can.

Eh, so you're claiming Cop? Because you say you know something about me.

I never claimed anything of that sort. I know more about you than anyone else because I focussed only on you yesterday?

That doesn't mean you know unless you trust.

Anyway, apparently you understand Derekku's reason, so can you try explaning why adam is a Mafia?

I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day

"I don't know enough about anyone other you" == "I know more about you than anyone else"

It doesn't indicate anything.

I think I see what derekku is getting at but I'll prefer to wait until Olinad answers my question.

0_o wrote:

I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day

I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.

Thus Echo may have investigated me at Night and saw I was the Doctor, thus getting off my case.

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day

I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.

Thus Echo may have investigated me at Night and saw I was the Doctor, thus getting off my case.

Yeah, but why would he have made such a case against you the first day if all he had to do to know for sure was wait till the next day?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day

I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.

Thus Echo may have investigated me at Night and saw I was the Doctor, thus getting off my case.

Yeah, but why would he have made such a case against you the first day if all he had to do to know for sure was wait till the next day?

Because he probably isn't the cop. >_> Like strager said, I think cop can only do something at night 1.

@strager: I'm just saying that adam has been using baseless accusations against you other than "you're suspicious".

Derekku Chan wrote:

Because he probably isn't the cop. >_>

That's what I said

0_o wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Because he probably isn't the cop. >_>

That's what I said

I know and I was agreeing with you ^_^

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day

I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.

Thus Echo may have investigated me at Night and saw I was the Doctor, thus getting off my case.

Yeah, but why would he have made such a case against you the first day if all he had to do to know for sure was wait till the next day?

He tried to get me killed because he was a Mafia. If I were a Mafia he probably thought I would kill him. In that case, he wouldn't have the chance to use his ability.

I don't know; I just feel that Echo hasn't been strong on me today, and I equate that to him being a Cop, or at least a Townie.

Derekku Chan wrote:

@strager: I'm just saying that adam has been using baseless accusations against you other than "you're suspicious".

That still doesn't explain why you think he is a Mafia.

And really, similar "reasoning" was used against nardi.

@strager: Well, we don't really have anything to go on. Something is better than nothing.

Derekku Chan wrote:

@strager: Well, we don't really have anything to go on. Something is better than nothing.

True, but that makes adam more suspicious / likely to be a Mafia. That doesn't make him a Mafia.

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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

SFG
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Genius! But why aren't you voting for 0_o with me, if you think we are both Mafia?

if you'd bother reading my other posts, 1. i FOS'd 0_o 2. i cant vote for two people at the same time 3. i still think there is a chance that 0_o is some poor misguided human soul.

I meant to say, why don't you help me lynch 0_o, if you think he's a Mafia? (I think you misread "with" as "as well as.")

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

again, if you bother reading my other posts and for that matter some of the things strager says ("HEY lets go accuse SFG of murdering Bobby cus yknow he was TOTALLY attacking her (plus she actually bothers reading and thinking so that makes her dangerous)...oh shit she caught me lets pretend i didnt know i was voting for her *whistle*")

I have to admit I forgot for a second I voted for you (I just recalled my unvote), and I forgot BagelBob was dead. After a reread though I realized I had made a mistake.

And how did you "catch me?" The only thing you "caught" me on was a mistake in IRC.

(I don't remember exactly how I forgot, or why; I think I was busy with something else at the time.)

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager is an obvious mafia.

LS disagrees.

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

again, if you bother reading my other posts and for that matter some of the things strager says ("HEY lets go accuse SFG of murdering Bobby cus yknow he was TOTALLY attacking her (plus she actually bothers reading and thinking so that makes her dangerous)...oh shit she caught me lets pretend i didnt know i was voting for her *whistle*")

I have to admit I forgot for a second I voted for you (I just recalled my unvote), and I forgot BagelBob was dead. After a reread though I realized I had made a mistake.

And how did you "catch me?" The only thing you "caught" me on was a mistake in IRC.

(I don't remember exactly how I forgot, or why; I think I was busy with something else at the time.)

what im referring to as "catching you" was pointing out that Bobby's posts had nothing to do with attacking me and everything to do with attacking you.

strager wrote:

LS disagrees.

???? explain please!

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

LS disagrees.

???? explain please!

I think LS=LadySubaru

EDIT: oh, didn't notice this before

SFG wrote:

0_o wrote:

And to strager: I already said before that I haven't counted him out as mafia. It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.

uhh let me clear this up a bit for you. last game of this ended in three days. THREE. if we don't hit a mafia tonight we'll be LyLo tomorrow and if we dont hit a mafia then either we're all dead. That's what happened last game. Do you want to give the mafia a chance to pick off villagers while we bumble around saying "we need more info!"? strager is an obvious mafia.

My post was only regarding Echo; I know this lynch is important, but seeing as all we know about Echo right now is that he is completely against strager, I simply can't come to any conclusions about him yet.

0_o wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

LS disagrees.

???? explain please!

I think LS=LadySubaru

Yes.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

what im referring to as "catching you" was pointing out that Bobby's posts had nothing to do with attacking me and everything to do with attacking you.

One, I never said he was attacking you, just being suspicious of you.
Two, I made a mistake; I think BagelBob was susupicious of someone but I learned it wasn't you. (I still need to go back on BagelBob's posts myself.)
Three, ...

0_o wrote:

EDIT: oh, didn't notice this before

She snuck in an edit.

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

???? explain please!

I think LS=LadySubaru

Yes.

what i mean is, when and where did LS disagree. i KNOW who LS is guyz im not retarded

what i mean is, when and where did LS disagree. i KNOW who LS is guyz im not retarded

I assume he means in his role PM?

*yawn*
Mornin-...afternoon guys (eheh, I slept untill 2:00 )

So anyway, I have quite come to grips with the fact that if strager is in fact the doctor (and not very good at being it) I will be lynched tomorrow.
I am quite resolute in voting strager.

Strager has quite simply been acting suspicious all game and every single suspicious thing he has done has been stated by others (also I'm not very good at bringing up quotes since that requires *gasp* rereading.) Strager seems ready to change his position on matters when people start poking small holes in what he says (to a lesser extent derek too) changing his opinion seemingly daily to show himself in a better light (or this is all paranoia talking...)

That is one reason why I am voting strager (happy yet? I don't want to have to type out more...)

adam2046 wrote:

happy yet?

A leetle ^_^

I'll keep my vote as is for now, though. Plus it's 1:30am and Derek needs sleepy time~

SFG, I mean to say, if you ask LS, and she were free to speak, she would disagree.

adam, I see how that makes me an easy target. However, when someone finds a flaw in my logic, I usually agree with them, and go with their own logic (i.e. the reasoning which proved mine wrong). I'm not sure if that's A Bad Thing (tm) in Mafia games but it makes sense to me.

But usually they haven't really proved you wrong right?
They just point out tiny things and you're quick to change.
I myself, don't think a townie would change so quickly (I'm not too sure though, I know I don't.)

adam2046 wrote:

But usually they haven't really proved you wrong right?
They just point out tiny things and you're quick to change.
I myself, don't think a townie would change so quickly (I'm not too sure though, I know I don't.)

Uh, why wouldn't I change quickly? Most of the time I have no evidence to support my own view (to counter the evidence against it) so keeping with that view would make it seem as if I were hiding something (see 0_o's reasons for not voting for Echo).

Hey Echo how's that analysis coming along, are we just waiting for Olinad now?

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I'm still waiting for olinad's reply before making a call.

Echo wrote:

I'm still waiting for olinad's reply before making a call.

Maybe you should call Olinad, and then he will reply.

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

I'm still waiting for olinad's reply before making a call.

Maybe you should call Olinad, and then he will reply.

strager, your jokes are getting lamer and lamer

mod: deadline, vote count, and prod olinad please

Sorry, I've been busy.

Votecount 2:

strager - 2 (adam2046, SFG)
0_o - 1 (strager)
SFG - 1 (olinad)
adam2046 - 1 (Derekku)

Not Voting - 2 (Echo, 0_o)

Deadline is next saturday at 2:00 PM, Central. As stated before.

Olinad is being prodded once more.

Also, note of a minor rule change. I am allowing prods after 24 hours of non-posting, and replacement if not responded within 36 hours after.

zzzzz

come ON olinad...

0_o wrote:

zzzzz

come ON olinad...

Seriously. We only have four days left or so. =S

(I got so excited to see a new post in this thread... =X)

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

zzzzz

come ON olinad...

Seriously. We only have four days left or so. =S

(I got so excited to see a new post in this thread... =X)

Sorry, I'll say something more exciting

Role Claim: Vanilla Townie

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Has it been 36 hours yet?

lol "we only have four days left" do you realize that thats an entire daycycle plus a bit in WW3? its plently of time for discussion guys, chill out.


Also strager, 0_o you could be using this time productively to try to convince me that you aren't the mafia pair, or that someone else is possibly a part of the mafia pair.

and for the record, my suspicion list, in order of most suspicious to least suspicious (ill justify stuff if you ask me but most of it's been beaten to death by now)

strager, 0_o, Derekku, adam, Olinad, Echo, me

where Olinad is the completely neutral point. aka. i trust Echo

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Also strager, 0_o you could be using this time productively to try to convince me that you aren't the mafia pair, or that someone else is possibly a part of the mafia pair.

I've already said all of my arguments, I honestly cannot think of any more ways to convince you. Innocence is a very difficult thing to "prove" in this game. Any evidence that I am a townie (ie. if strager and I were mafia I wouldn't have so strongly associated myself him) can be countered with "if you were mafia that's what you would want us to think." Or in other words, WIFOM. Really, the only way to actually prove innocence is getting nightkilled.

You can ask me anything you want and I'll answer truthfully, but seeing as you have no way of knowing whether I'm telling the truth or not, do you really think I'm gonna be changing any minds?

Fine, I'll say this: if strager gets lynched tonight and he is mafia, I will vote for myself tomorrow and you may lynch me if you please. If I am not mafia, this will leave you with 3 people, 1 mafia on day 4, and I'm sure there will be someone alive then who will be able to figure it out.

0_o wrote:

Really, the only way to actually prove innocence is getting nightkilled.

Or getting lynched.

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Yet he posted in WWG2 a day or two ago. HMM

Derekku Chan wrote:

Yet he posted in WWG2 a day or two ago. HMM

dont defend him, get him out of here noncontributants should not play!

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Yet he posted in WWG2 a day or two ago. HMM

dont defend him, get him out of here noncontributants should not play!

He wasn't defending him. He was pointing out that Olinad is probably ignoring this game.

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waiting for Subi to replace Olinad...whats the vote count anyways

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

waiting for Subi to replace Olinad...whats the vote count anyways

Hasn't changed: viewtopic.php?p=147107#p147107

*A wormhole opens, sucking in Olinad and spitting out Wojjan.*

*Wojjan replaces Olinad.*

Votecount 3:

strager - 2 (adam2046, SFG)
0_o - 1 (strager)
SFG - 1 (Wojjan)
adam2046 - 1 (Derekku)

Not Voting - 2 (Echo, 0_o)

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ok we have approx. 48 hours from the time of this post to reach a decision. The time for waiting is over imo and except for Wojjan/Olinad and Echo, who withheld his discussion thus far, we've pretty much exhausted our discussion. since Wojjan is here now, we are currently waiting on Echo, who should be waking up in a couple hours. As things currently stand, strager will get lynched today, which is fine by me but id prefer to get more of a decision on who his partner (assuming im correct in saying that he's mafia) is before the end of the day.


just organizing my thoughts a bit here.

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Note: my hdd died yesterday, so I don't have access to a computer as much as I'd like until next Tuesday, when I can buy a new one. Because of that, I'll spill the beans right now.

Read adam's posts. Or, just read the summary SFG posted. He has posted pages and pages of non-posts. I am pretty sure he is Mafia.

Olinad was my second suspect, but I don't have enough evidence against either him or Wojjan at this point.

READ: strager is innoncent, I'm cop, scanned him yesterday, etc. etc.

Won't be back until night phase probably. Good luck.

Vote: adam

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I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<

Well you're all gonna be all like "what?" and I'm gonna be all like "yeah" and you'll be all like "daaaaaaaaaaaamn", hilarious.

Okay, I'm gonna think WIFOM mode for a while.
What if strager isn't innocent, and is actually in the Mafia with Echo, which is why he wants us to change votes to adam?
I can't see why we should all believe you on the double.
If, of course, strager really is the doctor, and hence protecting Echo, strager will likely die tonight.
Also, you're forgetting that if we have a cop AND doctor, we're dealing with a possible roleblocker, who can stop strager in his protection.

I'm gonna refrain from voting this day, since I can't make an actually certain vote.

Doesn't matter if you don't vote, I'm already dead.

Final Votecount:

adam2046 - 4 (Derekku, Echo, 0_o, SFG)
strager - 1 (adam2046)
0_o - 1 (strager)


Not Voting - 1 (Wojjan)

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*Echo told everyone he was a cop, and told of strager's innocence. Afterward, he said his greatest suspect was adam. In a quick rush, everyone followed behind him, also accusing adam....*

*It seems that adam couldn't take the stress, and he suddenly died from a heart attack. You search his belongings, and don't find any evidence...*

adam2046 - Vanilla Townie - had a heart attack D2.

*....then out of nowhere, a huge metal block fell on adam, squishing his body and sending blood and guts everywhere.*

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Please send in all night actions by Sunday at 6:00 AM.

Damnit, I'm gone for a day and we lose a Vanilla Townie.

(Sorry for this post ... I'm kinda mad.)

*After awaking from a night of restless sleep, you woke to find Echo with a blade wound through him. It seems to have pierced the heart. Searching his belongings, you find a Policeman's badge... It seems you had an undercover cop here to help... HAD, being the key term.*

Echo - Cop - Killed N2.

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With 5 Alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Deadline is next Saturday at 10:15 PM, Central.

Now that I can freely speak I'll reply to some previous posts.

Wojjan wrote:

strager, you hopped from one argumant to another. First you say Echo is the Cop, and he saw you were the Doctor, and left you alone, then you went to an ENTIRE new aspect, and said he fussed about you the previous day since he's a Mafia.
That does not make sense.

I guess it doesn't. The first paragraph in my post here doesn't make sense to me even: viewtopic.php?p=146467#p146467

Not sure what I was thinking then. My guess is that was my reasoning for his attacking me.

I've also said Echo was a Cop because he knew I wasn't a Mafia (and showed this by not being on my case at all, in contrast to his intense pressure in Day One). He also was explicit here: viewtopic.php?p=148834#p148834

SFG's lynch vote seems honestly accidental. Her tone there also makes her seem less of a Mafia in my eyes.

Wojjan wrote:

If, of course, strager really is the doctor, and hence protecting Echo, strager will likely die tonight.
Also, you're forgetting that if we have a cop AND doctor, we're dealing with a possible roleblocker, who can stop strager in his protection.

Apparently I was role-blocked last night, as you predicted.

But why was Echo killed and not I?

I'll put my thinking here.

Some clarifications on aux roles:

PM wrote:

23:35 <strager|irc> Does the Cop know they have been role blocked?
23:35 <strager|irc> Does the role block get reversed?
23:35 <LadySuburu> The cop gets a result of "No result."
23:35 <strager|irc> Okay
23:38 <strager|irc> And does the role blocker get a notice their block was successful?
23:38 <LadySuburu> No.

And the possibilities they disprove:

1. Echo was role blocked Night One and the role he sees is the opposite of the actual role of the person he examines. If he investigated me, he would see I were of the Town but I were in reality a Mafia.
2. The role blocker attempted a role block on me on Night One. If they got a "your block was successful" message, they would know I was either a Doctor or a Cop (and most likely the former due to my major slip early game). If they didn't get one they would suspect either I do not have an aux role or I did not use my ability then. Same applies for Night Two.

The first point is debunked by my first question to LS, and the second point by my second question.

Now for some possibilities (which you are free to approve or disprove):

1. Mafia would not kill Echo to increase suspicion on me. If I were a Mafia, Echo wouldn't have claimed I was innocent, unless he wasn't the Cop. However, we know he is, so there's more proof that I am not a Mafia.
2. Echo caught on some scent and, if it were followed, would result in a Mafia lynch on Day Two or an examination Night Two and a lynch Day Three.

(And who is "you" who is "forgetting"?)

I'll post some more later once I've read the thread a bit more.

I think you are wayy overthinking this, Echo was killed because the Cop is much more of a threat to the mafia then the doctor is

Ugh, 3 townies, 2 mafia.. it all comes down to today.

So we have Wojjan, Derekku, SFG, me, and strager (who I think we can all agree is clean)

SFG has seemed the least suspicious to me out of all of them, but what bugs me is that neither Wojjan or Derekku were a part of the original vote against strager, while SFG was. So I honestly have no idea what to think right now..

forgive me if im wrong but i *think* today is LyLo - 5 alive and 2 are mafia. if we lynch a human today + NK the mafia have a majority and win automatically.

THINK EXTRA CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU DO THINGS!

i know im hardly one to speak since my last post kinda ><;;;; geez im sorry adam....but that doesnt mean the rule doesnt apply, just that it applies a lot more!

as strager pointed out, we can assume that since Echo died (T_T nooooo...Echo...!) the mafia have a roleblocker, and since strager is out in the open we can assume that none of his protections will be successful from now on. And now that we have no cop, theres not likely to be much assistance in figuring out who's who except that strager is definitely innocent.

that said the most suspicious person out of the remaining is Derekku (italicized so its not a vote :<) We have a week though so dont be hasty. i will be posting those ginormous compilation posts for *each remaining player except for myself and strager* (someone else can do me but i shouldnt imo since 1. i know im innocent and 2. im biased) However atm my internet only works if im sitting on top of my router so i might not get to it for a couple days + less active than normal. Just thought id give a heads-up on that.


thnx, bai for now~
-SFG-

0_o wrote:

I think you are wayy overthinking this, Echo was killed because the Cop is much more of a threat to the mafia then the doctor is

That is true, and I think I mentioned that.

However, there is still reason to kill me. If a Mafia is lynched today, I protect successfully tonight, there will be four of the Town and one Mafia.

Of course, that doesn't matter because we know there is a Role Blocker out there, so I'm pretty much a Vanilla Townie until the Role Blocker is killed. (If the Mafia needs to sacrifice one of themselves for some reason they will chose the Vanilla Mafia for this reason.)

SFG, I have considered Derekku myself but I have no real reasoning for it. He's not really doing much. >_>

Anyway, time for a breakthrough claim: everything I've said has been truthful, except my certainties on Echo's guilt. (Even then I knew I was wrong. I had fun playing, though. =])

I just had an idea on determining the two Mafia and will look into it and post my findings.

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strager wrote:

Okay, Derekku is a Mafia. Examine page 38 carefully.

whatever it is you're seeing i missed it. that might be cus its kinda really early in the morning and i need sleep though.

please spell out in nice baby words for me?

@strager: I assume you're talking about this post

Derekku Chan wrote:

I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<

I believed that Echo was cop, and he was. He voted for adam just like I had, but he really had no reason to other than possibly a random vote since he wasn't going to be around. The reason I voted for adam was because:

1) he hadn't been talking much
2) he wasn't giving any good reasoning for his votes
3) to make him talk

I don't see how I'm betraying anyone o_o

Derekku Chan wrote:

@strager: I assume you're talking about this post

Derekku Chan wrote:

I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<

There was overwhelming evidence that Echo was a Cop. I doubt you missed all the hints. But that wasn't the post which "proves" it.

Derekku Chan wrote:

2) he wasn't giving any good reasoning for his votes

And the other reasons you list are reason enough to vote for adam?

Derekku Chan wrote:

I don't see how I'm betraying anyone o_o

D=

0_o, we cannot discredit my bandwagon theory just yet. Although it's mostly debunked (I kinda thing SFG is a Townie, and you sorta think that too?) it's not impossible. Of course, you could have agreed with it early on as a Mafia to try and get lynches on Townies, then back out on your claim, but then again you as a Townie would do the same thing, so that's not a reason to be suspicious of you.

I'll investigate more of the past actions later and see if anything springs up about 0_o and SFG.

Some notes. These assume I am a Townie and no one will consider voting for me.

Chance to lynch a Mafia today: 2/4 = 1/2 = 50%

(It's a Mafia win (basically) if a Mafia is not lynched today.)

If I am killed at Night:
Chance to lynch a Mafia tomorrow: 1/3 = 33%

If I am not killed at Night:
Chance to lynch a Mafia tomorrow: 1/2 = 50%

So it's pretty safe to say I'm dead tonight.

Chance to find the other Mafia to lynch today (if we do lynch a Mafia): 1/3 = 33%

So there's no statistical gain in finding who both Mafia are today; only one needs to be found. However, if both can be found today, a day doesn't have to be wasted. Remember, we have my added brain power. =]

Tomorrow we are left with 2 Townies and 1 Mafia, so the situation is very sticky there.

We could have A voting for B and B voting for A. If A and B are Townies, game over, but if one is a Mafia, there's a 50% chance of a Town win.

We could also have A voting for B, B : C, C : A. Instant Mafia win.

This late in the game the Mafia wouldn't point fingers at each other too much because that would be very risky. Mafia don't like risky. They are guaranteed a win (basically) if they kill a Townie today.

I'll post a full vote log tomorrow, and maybe try to analyze it. I'll encourage others to, too.

I'm all for Derekku and SFG being Mafia. I'm trying to find concrete evidence, but I fail for now. Yet I'm keeping all odds open till some proof hits the fan.

Derekku summary. im kinda tired and feel sick atm so im skipping the summaries on short/unimportant posts

"gg role claiming strager
But yeah, since doctor is an important role, I can see why one would claim it to try and protect themself from getting lynched.
But since you can't protect yourself (like guardian angel in WWG), you might end up a target for a night kill.
Poor strager =("


"0_o wrote:
I vote adam because his avatar simply screams IM A KILLER

Not the best reason xd"


"Anyway, strager: Your role claim can go different ways:

1) You are lying about your aux role and are either:
a) Mafia: So it doesn't even matter that you're role claiming since you can't night kill yourself, but you may get lynched during the day.
b) Townie: Very stupid thing to do.

2) You really are the doctor and:
a) We may not lynch you because the doctor is a valuable asset for the town.
b) Your early role claim is very suspicious which may cause us to lynch you.
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)


So, yeah. Role claiming was pretty stupid. If you're truthful that it was an accident, then it really sucks to be you. Like I said before, I acted stupid and got lynched on day 1 in NM1, so it happens." basic attack on strager's roleclaim


"strager wrote:
This could be a crazy tactic used by kuu. He's acting so strange that he must be a Mafia. But then again, why would a Mafia attract so much attention to himself?

Kuu is just fucking stupid. xd I'm really not sure what to make of him at the moment. I don't he's witty enough to use a tactic like the one you wrote about."


"derekku chan wrote:
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)

Or night kill. I think I meant both. Doesn't matter."


"Time to give my suspicion list :3

Echo is being über aggressive, but you've been that way in all the games so that doesn't really say anything. :>

bagelbob is just acting retarded.

0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.

olinad hasn't said much.

adam jumped in and voted for strager for voting for echo. inb4longertrainofvotes

SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...

nardi hasn't said much.

strager is mildly suspicious to me, but I still have doubts. He is a newbie to this game and could just be making mistakes. Or he knows what he's doing. Or he's mafia... hmm... Also, he voted Echo off the bat with no reasoning or discussion. wtf" aka summary of half of Day 1


"I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.

I'm finally throwing my vote down.

Vote. Echo.

*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*derek gets pissed at strager/echo debate


"Sorry to upset you, but I think that sometimes you just go a little over the top. Like LadySuburu said, this is a game. You're a good player, but maybe you should tone it down just a teeny bit. :/

To me, talking too much is similar to not talking much at all. It makes you look suspicious for getting on everyone's case. :/

And no, I don't expect the mafia to jump up and bite me in the face, but I don't even know what to say anymore. I'm sorry, okay? " apology


"I made a mistake.

I am enjoying the game.

Again, sorry for saying that to you. I was comparing you to everyone else for the wrong reason.

I'll go back through the thread tomorrow and look at everyone's points again." more apology


"Ugh. I kept getting distracted by other things. >_<

But for now, I at least want to do this. (forgot to yesterday)

Unvote Echo."


"strager wrote:
What bangwagon? ;P

By the time nardi voted for you, strager, two other people had voted for you. He seemed to only vote for you because you were the "most suspicious", which isn't a good reason imo.

strager wrote:
No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.

I meant in the case that nardi's vote WAS a random vote, which I don't think it was, but I wanted to cover that ground "mild attack on strager


"On the bandwagon against strager? I've already stated many times that I believe strager isn't mafia. :/

If you meant the bandwagon that thinks strager is innocent, then yes, I'm on it, but so is like of us. >_>

So I really don't get what you meant."


"strager, are you NOT fucking listening? There's no point in coding over 9000 lines of code. No lynch day 1 = Free kill for mafia.

Should we also NOT lynch day 2? Day 3?

Like SFG said, I'm starting to wonder about you, strager "


"strager, you don't seem to realize that in every setup for this game, there are TWO mafia. Unless you think that one of them is going to kill the other at night, then I don't know what the hell you're trying to get at."


"0_o wrote:
That, and throwing someone on L-2 is a pretty effective way of getting them to speak up

nardi is on L-1 ;/"


"Echo wrote:
You're refusing to defend yourself against my evidence, and you're refusing to bring any evidence against me, yet you claim you are townie and I am mafia?

I think the simple answer is that there is no evidence you can use to defend yourself, and there is no evidence you can bring against me. Which means you are mafia, and I am townie.

Echo brings up good points. :/

Vot- Nah.

FOS: strager (because it wasn't already obvious </sarcasm>)"


"Because nardi hasn't defended himself either. He was at L-1 and still hadn't posted. He may just be a townie that does't give a crap about the game, though. =/

But as one of you said: If a townie gets lynched that didn't contribute in the first place, it wouldn't even be a loss. :<"

Derekku wrote:

As SFG said, I was not the only one to defend strager, so don't try using that as an argument that I'm scum. Also, I've said at least once that I don't like strager's suspicious behavior and that I'm suspicious of him. If I was in cahoots with strager, I wouldn't be pushing suspicion on him (or obviously myself).

I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.

What I think about the other players in no particular order

Echo - I don't think he's mafia. But he's really good at this game so maybe he is and he's just covering it up good. I'm not sure what to think atm~

0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.

Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went... I won't use the same thing on olinad. Unless that's what he wants me to think... brb WIFOM (PS Oli, post moar plz)

adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum

SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-

strager - I'm very suspicious of him. On one hand he could truthfully be the doctor and we should keep him safe, but on the other hand he could easily be mafia. I'm still trying to analyze information in my head about what I think about strager. :/

"I said that because I was sick of the arguing back and forth. Now I see that I shouldn't have posted that and I was just raging that night because I wasn't feeling good. Like I said earlier, I'm not "buddy buddy" with strager. I'm very suspicious of him just like most of us are."


"In this post, I said that I wasn't suspicious of adam. I said that because he hasn't said a whole lot, but now that I think about it, that only makes him MORE suspicious. He has hardly backed up any of his claims at all. What started off as a random vote against strager quickly turned into some sort of plan. Every time he has voted for strager, he's acted like strager is just another person instead of scum. If adam is mafia, then this fits. His goal is to eliminate all townies, which makes strager one too (save his possible aux role). I've hardly seen anything useful from adam's posts. 0_o, Echo, SFG, strager, and myself all defend our accusations on others and accusations against ourselves.

So: Vote adam"



"strager wrote:
I see how far that reasoning went with nardi.

nardi barely posted at all. But I meant: Whenever adam posts, it's nothing useful.

strager wrote:
I guess that is true. If I recall his reasoning for voting for me yesterday was because I was suspicious and Echo had a convincing argument.

Exactly. adam keeps saying over and over that you're "suspicious", but hasn't backed it up with anything of his own. At least Echo had arguments.

strager wrote:
I still don't see how this makes adam a Mafia. Can you try explaining in a different way?

What I said above in this post =)"justifying vote on adam


"I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<"

@strager: I assume you're talking about this post

Derekku Chan wrote:
I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<

I believed that Echo was cop, and he was. He voted for adam just like I had, but he really had no reason to other than possibly a random vote since he wasn't going to be around. The reason I voted for adam was because:

1) he hadn't been talking much
2) he wasn't giving any good reasoning for his votes
3) to make him talk

I don't see how I'm betraying anyone o_o

you're gonna have to read them yourselves to figure out what you think. doing Wojjan/Olinad next, in a different post

Olinad/Wojjan post


"...yep, I'm in a different time zone That's why I still hadn't written anything.

Anyway, I'll wait a bit more before voting as usual... right now I'd vote for Kuu just because he's so pissing me off with all those messages... -.-' But I dunno if it's a good idea for the game."


"GMT +1, and I'm still going to school every morning til saturday... so I won't be here so much!"


"OMG I think I lost track of the voting situation -.-' May anyone post the list of the votes made up to now? I read the discussion but I don't want to make a vote without knowing the situation"


"thx, brb" note: he returned almost exactly 3hrs later

Olinad wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

tbh if strager had said something like "I'm just curious to know about the rules around the doctor and how protection works" I wouldn't have had anything to go on, since that would only lead to WIFOM thinking.

Well, I don't ask questions like that, really. I try to be a little more specific in my questions than "how does the Doctor work exactly?" If I had asked the question you suggest I would probably get an answer similar to what the PM states and not what I wanted to know. But you're right, the "claim" wouldn't be discovered and maybe I would have been better protected (because I don't have to worry about the Mafia trying to kill me because they don't know I am the doctor).

Olinard, are you back yet? It's been more than two hours since you said "brb." ;P

EDIT: Echo, what is WIFOM thinking? xD Sounds like "superhypothetical" thinking.

lol UR right, but I was busy XD

I really dunno who to vote... mmh...

"How much time do I have left? XD"


"Saturos-fangirl wrote:
<strager|irc> LS is in TX?
<strager|irc> and so is BagelBob?
<strager|irc> </guesses>
<BagelBob> so?
<BagelBob> If Olinad posts 5 min before the deadline, he's a dead-man
<SFG|Rh> ^
<SFG|Rh> oh i should post that
<BagelBob> I think that it's generally understood


Well, I want to say sorry for my absence - I had an important exam yesterday and so I was pretty busy. I managed to read something about the discussion but I'm still kinda confused, so I guess I won't vote today not to make mistakes I could regret having done"


"Yes I'll try to " try to be more active - see how well THAT one worked -_-


--Day 2--

Yep I guess today I'll do something new and try to show a bit of thinking from my side.
The names arein random order as I'm writing from the Wii and have no time nor will to write an alphabetical list :E

*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it. So I gues that even if the chances he's Mafia are high, the chances of him being the doctor are quite as high so I wont' vote for him right now.

*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.

*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really

*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.

*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious

*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.

So I guess I'll vote SFG

Subi wrote:

*A wormhole opens, sucking in Olinad and spitting out Wojjan.*

*Wojjan replaces Olinad.*

strager, you hopped from one argumant to another. First you say Echo is the Cop, and he saw you were the Doctor, and left you alone, then you went to an ENTIRE new aspect, and said he fussed about you the previous day since he's a Mafia.
That does not make sense.

0_o, you're REALLY trying to get all what you say defended with reasons, either you hold an Aux you really don't want us to lose on Day 2, or you're trying to put us up with voting for the wrong guy. I'm still deciding on those scenarios, but I'll have to read this through again.

Seems like adam got muted after he was pointed out his argumants were baseless, so we could have struck a chord there. I don't see him as a Mafia, mostly because he hasn't tried anything to really defend himself (or I'm missing out on a real important post)

SFG, you're really making sense, but that may just be a cover-up. You've tried every possible angle, and explained all your reasons clearly, without overdoing it. You're least suspicious on my part, but I'm keeping my options open.

Derekku, I don't know what to really make of you. It almost seems as if everything you do is just a step without looking. Well, thay may only be the impression that I get, but it struck me as odd.

That leaves us with Echo , who is actually gathering a lot of info lately. Do you want me to answer your questions instead of Olinad? If so, I'd be happy to. I can't recall your post as I am writing, so I'll go check while I await your response. Also, you're pretty low on my list. (that means: "Likely Vanilla", FYI)

So, ask me all you want, I've read it all, I know what's happening. Thanks for letting me in, Subi!

EDIT: Derp, unvoting since Olinad's vote is pretty stupind.

"Okay, I'm gonna think WIFOM mode for a while.
What if strager isn't innocent, and is actually in the Mafia with Echo, which is why he wants us to change votes to adam?
I can't see why we should all believe you on the double.
If, of course, strager really is the doctor, and hence protecting Echo, strager will likely die tonight.
Also, you're forgetting that if we have a cop AND doctor, we're dealing with a possible roleblocker, who can stop strager in his protection.

I'm gonna refrain from voting this day, since I can't make an actually certain vote." note: this was AFTER adam had reached L


"I'm all for Derekku and SFG being Mafia. I'm trying to find concrete evidence, but I fail for now. Yet I'm keeping all odds open till some proof hits the fan."


ok i just noticed that neither Olinad nor Wojjan ever made a well-informed vote. For that matter, the substitution happened late enough that now that we need to hit mafia every day to win, we have almost nothing to go on to determine if he is indeed mafia, and just pro at lurking, or if he is town and just didnt make time for the game. So basically we can't afford to guess his role wrong and we don't have any evidence to point us in either direction.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

ok i just noticed that neither Olinad nor Wojjan ever made a well-informed vote.

Well, I don't think you can really say that for anyone. However, he/they doesn't seem to give too much reasoning behind the votes they have made.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

we have almost nothing to go on to determine if he is indeed mafia

Any information is better than none. Wojjan has made some possible slips (see later here).

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

So basically we can't afford to guess his role wrong and we don't have any evidence to point us in either direction.

Then find at least one Mafia so you can worry about the other tomorrow.

Wojjan wrote:

0_o, you're REALLY trying to get all what you say defended with reasons, either you hold an Aux you really don't want us to lose on Day 2, or you're trying to put us up with voting for the wrong guy. I'm still deciding on those scenarios, but I'll have to read this through again.

0_o obviously doesn't have an aux role, but he seemed pretty convinced I was a Doctor, and that has been shown by Echo and his death to be true. He was trying really hard to protect me so I'm not lynched, so I would say that's his reason for being defensive. (Reduced suspicion of 0_o.)

Wojjan wrote:

Seems like adam got muted after he was pointed out his argumants were baseless, so we could have struck a chord there. I don't see him as a Mafia, mostly because he hasn't tried anything to really defend himself (or I'm missing out on a real important post)

Uhh, why isn't he a Mafia again? I have chosen to not defend myself at times. Does that make me a Mafia? (Increased suspicion of Wojjan.)

Wojjan wrote:

SFG, you're really making sense, but that may just be a cover-up. You've tried every possible angle, and explained all your reasons clearly, without overdoing it. You're least suspicious on my part, but I'm keeping my options open.

I have no idea what to think of that comment. Sounds very wishy-washy to me. (Slight increase of suspicion of Wojjan.)

Wojjan wrote:

Derekku, I don't know what to really make of you. It almost seems as if everything you do is just a step without looking. Well, thay may only be the impression that I get, but it struck me as odd.

Perhaps because he doesn't care about the Day? (Slight increase of suspicion of Derekku.) Also, it seems like Wojjan is somewhat defending Derekku, showing that his actions are pretty much arbitrary. (Increased suspicion of Wojjan.)

Wojjan wrote:

That leaves us with Echo , who is actually gathering a lot of info lately. Do you want me to answer your questions instead of Olinad? If so, I'd be happy to. I can't recall your post as I am writing, so I'll go check while I await your response. Also, you're pretty low on my list. (that means: "Likely Vanilla", FYI)

Question was: "can you please rate, in order, who you would vote for out of adam, derekku and 0_o and why?"

I would like this answered myself, please.

Next up is a vote log.

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