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I guess it doesn't. The first paragraph in my post here doesn't make sense to me even: viewtopic.php?p=146467#p146467Wojjan wrote:
strager, you hopped from one argumant to another. First you say Echo is the Cop, and he saw you were the Doctor, and left you alone, then you went to an ENTIRE new aspect, and said he fussed about you the previous day since he's a Mafia.
That does not make sense.
Apparently I was role-blocked last night, as you predicted.Wojjan wrote:
If, of course, strager really is the doctor, and hence protecting Echo, strager will likely die tonight.
Also, you're forgetting that if we have a cop AND doctor, we're dealing with a possible roleblocker, who can stop strager in his protection.
And the possibilities they disprove:PM wrote:
23:35 <strager|irc> Does the Cop know they have been role blocked?
23:35 <strager|irc> Does the role block get reversed?
23:35 <LadySuburu> The cop gets a result of "No result."
23:35 <strager|irc> Okay
23:38 <strager|irc> And does the role blocker get a notice their block was successful?
23:38 <LadySuburu> No.
That is true, and I think I mentioned that.0_o wrote:
I think you are wayy overthinking this, Echo was killed because the Cop is much more of a threat to the mafia then the doctor is
whatever it is you're seeing i missed it. that might be cus its kinda really early in the morning and i need sleep though.strager wrote:
Okay, Derekku is a Mafia. Examine page 38 carefully.
I believed that Echo was cop, and he was. He voted for adam just like I had, but he really had no reason to other than possibly a random vote since he wasn't going to be around. The reason I voted for adam was because:Derekku Chan wrote:
I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<
There was overwhelming evidence that Echo was a Cop. I doubt you missed all the hints. But that wasn't the post which "proves" it.Derekku Chan wrote:
@strager: I assume you're talking about this postDerekku Chan wrote:
I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<
And the other reasons you list are reason enough to vote for adam?Derekku Chan wrote:
2) he wasn't giving any good reasoning for his votes
D=Derekku Chan wrote:
I don't see how I'm betraying anyone o_o
Derekku wrote:
As SFG said, I was not the only one to defend strager, so don't try using that as an argument that I'm scum. Also, I've said at least once that I don't like strager's suspicious behavior and that I'm suspicious of him. If I was in cahoots with strager, I wouldn't be pushing suspicion on him (or obviously myself).
I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.
What I think about the other players in no particular order
Echo - I don't think he's mafia. But he's really good at this game so maybe he is and he's just covering it up good. I'm not sure what to think atm~
0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.
Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went... I won't use the same thing on olinad. Unless that's what he wants me to think... brb WIFOM (PS Oli, post moar plz)
adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum
SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-
strager - I'm very suspicious of him. On one hand he could truthfully be the doctor and we should keep him safe, but on the other hand he could easily be mafia. I'm still trying to analyze information in my head about what I think about strager. :/
@strager: I assume you're talking about this post
Derekku Chan wrote:
I would say how suspicious it is that you guys turned around at the drop of a hat to believe that Echo is the cop, but I think I believe him too. :<
I believed that Echo was cop, and he was. He voted for adam just like I had, but he really had no reason to other than possibly a random vote since he wasn't going to be around. The reason I voted for adam was because:
1) he hadn't been talking much
2) he wasn't giving any good reasoning for his votes
3) to make him talk
I don't see how I'm betraying anyone o_o
Olinad wrote:
lol UR right, but I was busy XDstrager wrote:
Well, I don't ask questions like that, really. I try to be a little more specific in my questions than "how does the Doctor work exactly?" If I had asked the question you suggest I would probably get an answer similar to what the PM states and not what I wanted to know. But you're right, the "claim" wouldn't be discovered and maybe I would have been better protected (because I don't have to worry about the Mafia trying to kill me because they don't know I am the doctor).Echo wrote:
tbh if strager had said something like "I'm just curious to know about the rules around the doctor and how protection works" I wouldn't have had anything to go on, since that would only lead to WIFOM thinking.
Olinard, are you back yet? It's been more than two hours since you said "brb." ;P
EDIT: Echo, what is WIFOM thinking? xD Sounds like "superhypothetical" thinking.
I really dunno who to vote... mmh...
Yep I guess today I'll do something new and try to show a bit of thinking from my side.
The names arein random order as I'm writing from the Wii and have no time nor will to write an alphabetical list :E
*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it. So I gues that even if the chances he's Mafia are high, the chances of him being the doctor are quite as high so I wont' vote for him right now.
*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.
*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really
*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.
*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious
*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.
So I guess I'll vote SFG
Subi wrote:
*A wormhole opens, sucking in Olinad and spitting out Wojjan.*
*Wojjan replaces Olinad.*
strager, you hopped from one argumant to another. First you say Echo is the Cop, and he saw you were the Doctor, and left you alone, then you went to an ENTIRE new aspect, and said he fussed about you the previous day since he's a Mafia.
That does not make sense.
0_o, you're REALLY trying to get all what you say defended with reasons, either you hold an Aux you really don't want us to lose on Day 2, or you're trying to put us up with voting for the wrong guy. I'm still deciding on those scenarios, but I'll have to read this through again.
Seems like adam got muted after he was pointed out his argumants were baseless, so we could have struck a chord there. I don't see him as a Mafia, mostly because he hasn't tried anything to really defend himself (or I'm missing out on a real important post)
SFG, you're really making sense, but that may just be a cover-up. You've tried every possible angle, and explained all your reasons clearly, without overdoing it. You're least suspicious on my part, but I'm keeping my options open.
Derekku, I don't know what to really make of you. It almost seems as if everything you do is just a step without looking. Well, thay may only be the impression that I get, but it struck me as odd.
That leaves us with Echo , who is actually gathering a lot of info lately. Do you want me to answer your questions instead of Olinad? If so, I'd be happy to. I can't recall your post as I am writing, so I'll go check while I await your response. Also, you're pretty low on my list. (that means: "Likely Vanilla", FYI)
So, ask me all you want, I've read it all, I know what's happening. Thanks for letting me in, Subi!
EDIT: Derp, unvoting since Olinad's vote is pretty stupind.
Well, I don't think you can really say that for anyone. However, he/they doesn't seem to give too much reasoning behind the votes they have made.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
ok i just noticed that neither Olinad nor Wojjan ever made a well-informed vote.
Any information is better than none. Wojjan has made some possible slips (see later here).Saturos-fangirl wrote:
we have almost nothing to go on to determine if he is indeed mafia
Then find at least one Mafia so you can worry about the other tomorrow.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
So basically we can't afford to guess his role wrong and we don't have any evidence to point us in either direction.
0_o obviously doesn't have an aux role, but he seemed pretty convinced I was a Doctor, and that has been shown by Echo and his death to be true. He was trying really hard to protect me so I'm not lynched, so I would say that's his reason for being defensive. (Reduced suspicion of 0_o.)Wojjan wrote:
0_o, you're REALLY trying to get all what you say defended with reasons, either you hold an Aux you really don't want us to lose on Day 2, or you're trying to put us up with voting for the wrong guy. I'm still deciding on those scenarios, but I'll have to read this through again.
Uhh, why isn't he a Mafia again? I have chosen to not defend myself at times. Does that make me a Mafia? (Increased suspicion of Wojjan.)Wojjan wrote:
Seems like adam got muted after he was pointed out his argumants were baseless, so we could have struck a chord there. I don't see him as a Mafia, mostly because he hasn't tried anything to really defend himself (or I'm missing out on a real important post)
I have no idea what to think of that comment. Sounds very wishy-washy to me. (Slight increase of suspicion of Wojjan.)Wojjan wrote:
SFG, you're really making sense, but that may just be a cover-up. You've tried every possible angle, and explained all your reasons clearly, without overdoing it. You're least suspicious on my part, but I'm keeping my options open.
Perhaps because he doesn't care about the Day? (Slight increase of suspicion of Derekku.) Also, it seems like Wojjan is somewhat defending Derekku, showing that his actions are pretty much arbitrary. (Increased suspicion of Wojjan.)Wojjan wrote:
Derekku, I don't know what to really make of you. It almost seems as if everything you do is just a step without looking. Well, thay may only be the impression that I get, but it struck me as odd.
Question was: "can you please rate, in order, who you would vote for out of adam, derekku and 0_o and why?"Wojjan wrote:
That leaves us with Echo , who is actually gathering a lot of info lately. Do you want me to answer your questions instead of Olinad? If so, I'd be happy to. I can't recall your post as I am writing, so I'll go check while I await your response. Also, you're pretty low on my list. (that means: "Likely Vanilla", FYI)
Wojjan wrote:
Throw me a bone here, I just got here 4 days ago and this thread is filled with WIFOM's and hypothetical whatnot. It actually is pretty hard to make head or tails out of it, so that's probably why I didn't justify my votes that much. At least I tried hard to understand, and gave my summary on all of this. Also, the only time I really voted was in my last post, when I said Derekku and SFG could be Mafia. I REFRAINED from voting the day beforehand not to make any mistakes and get shouted at for being Mafia. Which I'm not, but it's silly to say so, since you wouldn't believe anyone who says that. If I were to deal with someone who was just now replaced, I wouldn't judge him on how he based his votes, but that's just my way of thinking. I can understand that you're on the LyLo, and need to make decisions.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
ok i just noticed that neither Olinad nor Wojjan ever made a well-informed vote. For that matter, the substitution happened late enough that now that we need to hit mafia every day to win, we have almost nothing to go on to determine if he is indeed mafia, and just pro at lurking, or if he is town and just didnt make time for the game. So basically we can't afford to guess his role wrong and we don't have any evidence to point us in either direction.
I'm trying to find evidence, but aside that Page 38 post someone else already pointed out, I can't find anything. Either you are innocent, or you play your Mafia role really well.
You're forgetting combinations with you in them.0_o wrote:
So if I'm correct, then Derekku has to be mafia. Thoughts?
0_o wrote:
OK, from my perspective there are 3 possible mafia pairs:
SFG-Wojjan
Derekku-Wojjan
Derekku-SFG
Now for the most part there has been little interaction between any of these pairs. However, there is one post that really sticks out in my mind: Olinad's vote for SFG. Olinad was a fairly new player, and seeing as he hardly posted anything else, I find it very hard to believe that his only vote would be against his fellow teammate if he was mafia. The fact that SFG voted for Olinad earlier also helps solidify this. So this would take one pair off the list, leaving:
Derekku-Wojjan
Derekku-SFG
So if I'm correct, then Derekku has to be mafia. Thoughts?
strager wrote:
You're forgetting combinations with you in them.0_o wrote:
So if I'm correct, then Derekku has to be mafia. Thoughts?
;P
Im just saying my thoughts, and in my mind I don't consider myself a potential mafia Though if anyone else wants to throw a pair analysis with me in the mix go ahead, you'll probably do a better job at analyzing my own suspicion than I would0_o wrote:
OK, from my perspective there are 3 possible mafia pairs
Of course it's possible.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
i kinda agree about Derekku but i think that its possible for a mafia to vote for their partner to divert suspicion from the pairing in the case that one dies - see my logic when i thought you and strager were partners
That's true, but do you think a new, relatively inexperienced player would try that?SFG wrote:
i kinda agree about Derekku but i think that its possible for a mafia to vote for their partner to divert suspicion from the pairing in the case that one dies - see my logic when i thought you and strager were partners
0_o wrote:
That's true, but do you think a new, relatively inexperienced player would try that?SFG wrote:
i kinda agree about Derekku but i think that its possible for a mafia to vote for their partner to divert suspicion from the pairing in the case that one dies - see my logic when i thought you and strager were partners