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TrySail & TRUE - High Free Spirits vs. DREAM SOLISTER [Osu|T

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thzz
579 posts
Joined May 2012
thzz
M4M with Chromoxx

[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:32:332 - there's a strong snaredrum sound. i think you shouldn't ignore this. it's np to make more density imo, so try like this image.
    image
  2. 00:34:913 - same
  3. 01:35:468 (329) - K? there's a cymbal sound.
[Oni]
  1. 00:13:623 (15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22) - & 00:16:203 (27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34) - why don't you make variation for them?
  2. 01:22:175 (373,374,375,376,377,378) - these are 1/3!!!
  3. 01:30:797 (416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423) - & 01:32:235 (424,425,426,427,428,429) - can you make them different? a bit boring and weird.
that's it~
nice mushup. good luck :)
newyams99
694 posts
Joined December 2013
newyams99
Did an irc with Chromoxx :D

Log
15:50 Chromoxx: yoooo
15:50 newyams99: yoooo
15:50 Chromoxx: would you have time to check the 2 animu GDs this weekend?
15:50 newyams99: sure 
15:51 newyams99: actually
15:51 Chromoxx: since i basically gave him the GDs while the std bubble was popped and it's just waiting to get done
15:51 newyams99: could you send them to me 
15:51 newyams99: cuz I don't think I dl'd it 
15:51 *Chromoxx is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1198930 TrySail & TRUE - High Free Spirits vs. DREAM SOLISTER]
15:51 Chromoxx: this thing
15:51 newyams99: yaa
15:51 Chromoxx: we could maybe do a quick irc now, shouldn't take too long since it's just 2 diffs and 1:40 or so
15:51 newyams99: yeah
15:51 Chromoxx: if you have time
15:51 newyams99: I do
15:52 Chromoxx: dope
15:52 Chromoxx: i can throw you that aikagi mod tomorrow then :p
15:55 newyams99: coool 
15:56 newyams99: 00:20:881 - this section seems a bit difficult in the muzu in comparison to the really ez parts around it
15:57 Chromoxx: well it's just using 5plets and 4plets
15:57 Chromoxx: no real long patterns
15:57 newyams99: I know 
15:58 Chromoxx: 00:31:203 - i could buff up this a bit maybe
15:59 Chromoxx: so that it doesn't stand out too much
15:59 newyams99:  well I personally think that the section I mentioned could be just slightly reduced in both diffs 
16:00 Chromoxx: mh, i think it flows well to the music and fits the pace
16:00 Chromoxx: no real need to nerf it, i just buffed the section afterwards in the muzu slightly to not make it as sparse in comparison
16:00 newyams99: ok sure 
16:01 Chromoxx: 00:33:139 - 00:37:977 - to be precise i added notes here, it's not much addition but when you compare it to before it certainly has more impact now
16:01 newyams99: kk
16:03 newyams99: do you wanna add a finish on 00:53:268 (157) - 
16:03 newyams99: in the muzu
16:03 newyams99: cuz you had it in the oni
16:04 newyams99: I'd also keep 01:08:537 (228,229,230,231) - consistent to the oni
16:05 Chromoxx: don't want to have as many finishers in the muzu
16:05 Chromoxx: because overusing them becomes a bit overwhelming so i wanna keep them on only the strongest sounds
16:05 newyams99: I still think you should do it for the second one then 
16:05 newyams99: 01:08:537 (228,229,230,231) - this one 
16:06 Chromoxx: sure
16:06 Chromoxx: did that one then
16:08 newyams99: cool
16:09 newyams99: 01:39:600 (345) - I think you could delete this and just make the 1/2 a 7-hit pattern to make it as long as the other longer patterns here idk lol
16:10 Chromoxx: i wanna keep it a bit longer to emphasize the kind of transition this phrase offers
16:11 newyams99: then I'd emphasize it more imo 
16:11 newyams99: well doesn't matter tho
16:15 Chromoxx: yea the current pattern emphasizes it well enough imo
16:18 newyams99: 00:41:526 - I don't think you need this many finishers in this section in the oni
16:19 newyams99: like it'd sound nicer if there weren't triplets like 00:43:623 (169,170,171) - to interrupt the finishers 
16:19 Chromoxx: hm, i feel like it creates good buildup
16:20 newyams99: I'd start the finisher buildup from 00:46:687 - 
16:20 Chromoxx: well, 00:43:784 - not having a finisher and being a triplet adds more emphasis on 00:44:106 -
16:21 Chromoxx: but yea i can remove the kat finishers before 00:46:687 -
16:22 newyams99: please do :D 
16:22 Chromoxx: did it :p
16:23 newyams99: you could possibly put finishers on 00:47:977 (194) - 00:48:461 (198) - 00:48:945 (202) - for buildup and a bit more challenge I suppose
16:23 Chromoxx: would lose emphasis on 00:49:268 -
16:24 Chromoxx: so i'd rather keep them as is
16:24 newyams99: kk
16:25 newyams99: I really like this second song lol
16:25 Chromoxx: ayy
16:27 newyams99: 01:12:130 (325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334) - I feel like the pattern should start with a K and end with a D, based off the vocals 
16:29 Chromoxx: D to K flows better with the patterns before and after
16:29 Chromoxx: and also fits well
16:29 newyams99: ok sure
16:30 newyams99: are you gonna add a finish on 01:35:468 (445) - 
16:30 newyams99: :3
16:32 Chromoxx: i know there is a kind of crash there but it would be kinda unexpected and not flow well with how i mapped the section imo
16:34 newyams99: ok
16:35 newyams99: also felt like you could add a hit at 01:21:636 - 
16:36 Chromoxx: would flow kinda weirdly imo, i thought about adding it there when mapping but i feel like the 1/1 break into the kdd sounds better
16:37 newyams99: D:
16:39 Chromoxx: also the drum hit there is kinda weaker than the others
16:39 Chromoxx: altho if you want i could add it since it doesn't make too much difference
16:39 newyams99: well up to u
16:40 newyams99: and 00:19:590 (27,28) - in the muzu could be changed to D D like the oni
16:40 newyams99: and that's all

Ready for bubblez
Chromoxx
904 posts
Joined August 2012
Chromoxx

thzz wrote:

M4M with Chromoxx

[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:32:332 - there's a strong snaredrum sound. i think you shouldn't ignore this. it's np to make more density imo, so try like this image. following a simpler rythm here, would feel weird otherwise
    image
  2. 00:34:913 - same same
  3. 01:35:468 (329) - K? there's a cymbal sound. newyams suggested something similar in the oni, but i want to keep this section relatively calm to lead out smoothly so i won't add the finisher
[Oni]
  1. 00:13:623 (15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22) - & 00:16:203 (27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34) - why don't you make variation for them? made it a bit different
  2. 01:22:175 (373,374,375,376,377,378) - these are 1/3!!! ohhhh fixed, rip xD
  3. 01:30:797 (416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423) - & 01:32:235 (424,425,426,427,428,429) - can you make them different? a bit boring and weird. yes, changed a bit
that's it~
nice mushup. good luck :)
thanks for the mod!
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
Updated taiko diffs, and tags! Guess we're ready !
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Monstrata
Made some final changes:

- Fixed snapping issues in normal and kalitarks
- Fixed volume green lines
- Fixed preview point

Waiting on Stjpa to confirm the set can be rebubbled.
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Monstrata
Okay, received confirmation from Stjpa.

Rebubbled~
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
Thanks monstrata! I hope nobody will have any problems with BG and mp3 now :)
Ashton
1,978 posts
Joined February 2016
Ashton
Akitoshi and Corinn work so good together
Left
2,162 posts
Joined October 2014
Left
Now ready to be ranked?
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
Just waiting for newyams to qualify :)
newyams99
694 posts
Joined December 2013
newyams99
Sorry I'm late x.x
Taiko diffs are fine to me.

Qualified!

Yay <3
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
Yeaaa Thankss
Kyouren
5,657 posts
Joined October 2012
Kyouren
Gratzz!
xisver
38 posts
Joined July 2014
xisver
gratz :)

Sotarks wrote:

Thanks monstrata! I hope nobody will have any problems with BG and mp3 now :)
;_;
Kyouren
5,657 posts
Joined October 2012
Kyouren

Froschi wrote:

gratz :)

Sotarks wrote:

Thanks monstrata! I hope nobody will have any problems with BG and mp3 now :)
;_;
:^) (Actually, nobody care about this BG xD)
Namki
1,281 posts
Joined November 2014
Namki
01:22:190 (5,6) - what about these in Hard, isn't it 1/3, instead?
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
yo my bad, thanks for mentionning that...
I'll ask for a dq to fix that!
Feerum
osu! Alumni
2,042 posts
Joined August 2014
Feerum
Hello.

Sotarks did request a DQ to me.
The point mentioned above is correct. This is a wrong snap.

Additionally i found 00:54:810 (1) - which is snapped to 3/4 instead to 1/2.
Usually it wouldn't be a problem to re-quality it directly because of one note but since i found this here by myself i have to assume more than these two notes are wrong so i won't do that.

Disqualified for now.
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
Ok fixed those 2, my bad for that.. For some reasons it was already fixed on my pc, i checked with my laptop and i found it wrong.
peppy pls

anyway updated
Doormat
2,050 posts
Joined September 2013
Doormat
mod assistant check for sotarks since he requested it on discord; apparently there are some unsnapped sliders on aki's diff as well so it might be worth looking into it

SPOILER

image dimensions can be ignored since max resolution size was updated to 1920x1200

edit: actually it should be fine since it's a 3/4 slider; i forgot to change the modding assistant parameters lol

edit 2: general post cleanup
Last edited by Doormat , edited 2 times in total.
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
what the actual fuck is wrong with that hard, the bug is still there!!!!!!!
how am i supposed to fix this!!!
there's the 2 hards bug

edit: i'll get an other pc to see if that happens
edit2: ok seems to be ok now on my friend's pc, i updated and now everything should be fine ffs
Akitoshi
2,687 posts
Joined August 2014
Akitoshi
uwu
Asphyxia
Beatmap Nominator
2,001 posts
Joined June 2012
Asphyxia
Before this gets ranked, something bothered me personally on the highest difficulty.

00:18:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Pattern feels really out of place with its rhythm, I don't think the song supports a constant 1/2 spam. The main issue is that there's absolutely nothing to support this 00:18:784 (4) - note. I tried removing the note and listening to the song multiple times over 25% playback rate and nothing. Furthermore, 00:19:429 (8) - is kind of the same, except there's a really quiet noise that can support it but because it's so quiet and almost inaudible, it'd be better if there wasn't anything. I know you already declined this suggestion from a previous mod post but you really should re-consider this.

That's all, gl on re-qualify!
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks

Asphyxia wrote:

Before this gets ranked, something bothered me personally on the highest difficulty.

00:18:300 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Pattern feels really out of place with its rhythm, I don't think the song supports a constant 1/2 spam. The main issue is that there's absolutely nothing to support this 00:18:784 (4) - note. I tried removing the note and listening to the song multiple times over 25% playback rate and nothing. Furthermore, 00:19:429 (8) - is kind of the same, except there's a really quiet noise that can support it but because it's so quiet and almost inaudible, it'd be better if there wasn't anything. I know you already declined this suggestion from a previous mod post but you really should re-consider this.

That's all, gl on re-qualify!
Ok reconsidered it, and fixed.
[]
@Hobbes2 and @Left 01:22:190 - to 01:23:597 - can you guys fix the rythmn to be like or Kalitarks or Linatarks.. Because 01:23:597 (1) - was off and i fixed timing -30 offset, and the transition to 01:23:387 (1,1) - is kinda harsh if you keep 1/6.
Can you guys fix that before we move that to qualified section again ? Thanks

@Chromoxx fix the timing on taiko diffs 01:23:597 (1) - add this redline.
Chromoxx
904 posts
Joined August 2012
Chromoxx
fixed

muzukashii
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Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Monstrata
Harubbes' Insane

01:23:387 (1) - This is unsnapped. You coped the length from the previous sliders, but 1.30 x 1.5 = 1.95x not 2.00x.
Izzywing
osu! Alumni
2,251 posts
Joined March 2016
Izzywing

Monstrata wrote:

Harubbes' Insane

01:23:387 (1) - This is unsnapped. You coped the length from the previous sliders, but 1.30 x 1.5 = 1.95x not 2.00x.
uh, sotarks could you fix? :p
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks
fixed, and updated.

also fixed for left
Izzywing
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2016
Izzywing
fixed that pattern in a slightly different way and some very minor pixel stuff

fix
osu file format v14

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236,141,90782,6,0,B|235:212|235:212|227:228|227:228|234:244|234:244|233:320,1,176,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
314,230,91321,1,0,0:0:0:0:
151,179,91500,2,0,P|114:155|84:122,1,88,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
156,285,91860,2,0,P|115:317|91:352,1,88,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,141,92219,5,4,0:0:0:0:
236,141,92398,1,0,0:0:0:0:
233,313,92578,1,8,0:0:0:0:
233,313,92757,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,228,92937,5,2,0:0:0:0:
320,228,93116,1,0,3:0:0:0:
148,225,93296,1,8,0:0:0:0:
148,225,93477,1,0,0:0:0:0:
338,377,93656,6,0,P|392:387|437:369,1,88,2|0,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
376,137,94015,1,8,0:0:0:0:
381,301,94195,1,0,0:0:0:0:
375,128,94374,1,4,3:0:0:0:
226,250,94554,2,0,P|162:269|149:267,1,44,8|8,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
91,189,94734,2,0,P|106:124|114:113,1,44,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
211,102,94914,2,0,P|259:147|264:160,1,44,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,180,95093,5,0,3:0:0:0:
176,180,95452,2,0,P|197:251|312:256,1,176,12|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
368,234,95991,1,0,0:0:0:0:
446,127,96171,2,0,L|446:22,1,88,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
314,29,96530,6,0,B|240:36|240:36|211:50|211:50|125:56,1,176,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
53,56,97069,1,0,0:0:0:0:
143,169,97249,2,0,P|137:235|125:266,1,88,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
274,111,97608,2,0,P|280:177|292:208,1,88,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
185,353,97967,6,0,P|254:290|344:332,1,176,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
270,376,98506,1,0,0:0:0:0:
148,242,98686,1,2,0:0:0:0:
325,203,98865,1,0,0:0:0:0:
148,242,99045,2,0,P|96:203|79:171,1,88,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
317,32,99404,6,0,B|341:92|341:92|321:223,1,176,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
225,274,99943,1,0,0:0:0:0:
251,102,100123,1,2,0:0:0:0:
423,128,100303,1,0,3:0:0:0:
397,300,100482,1,8,0:0:0:0:
225,274,100662,1,2,0:0:0:0:
423,128,100841,6,0,B|423:212|423:212|430:215|430:215|423:220|423:220|422:307,1,176,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
339,359,101380,1,0,0:0:0:0:
225,274,101560,2,0,P|208:233|211:189,1,88,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
329,57,101919,2,0,P|332:101|316:142,1,88,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
65,84,102278,6,0,B|149:84|149:84|152:77|152:77|157:84|157:84|244:85,1,176,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
77,185,102818,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,78,102997,2,0,L|151:77,1,88,0|0,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
109,293,103357,2,0,L|21:291,1,88,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,77,103716,5,12,0:0:0:0:
207,215,103895,1,0,0:0:0:0:
41,294,104075,5,8,0:0:0:0:
106,153,104254,1,0,0:0:0:0:
217,370,104434,5,8,0:0:0:0:
118,246,104614,1,0,3:0:0:0:
118,246,104704,1,0,3:0:0:0:
118,246,104794,5,12,0:0:0:0:
253,139,104973,1,0,3:0:0:0:
411,264,105153,6,0,P|413:189|407:150,1,88,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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308,314,105871,1,8,3:0:0:0:
279,326,105962,1,0,0:0:0:0:
249,329,106052,1,4,3:0:0:0:
219,324,106140,1,4,3:0:0:0:
191,310,106231,5,8,0:0:0:0:
174,270,106320,1,8,0:0:0:0:
143,239,106410,1,8,0:0:0:0:
103,222,106500,1,8,0:0:0:0:
59,221,106590,5,4,0:0:0:0:
59,221,106949,1,10,0:0:0:0:
77,338,107128,1,2,0:0:0:0:
77,104,107308,1,0,3:0:0:0:
279,221,107488,1,2,0:0:0:0:
145,221,107668,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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279,221,108207,2,0,P|318:252|357:268,1,88,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
227,83,108566,2,0,P|180:101|146:127,1,88,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
352,267,108925,1,8,3:0:0:0:
380,233,109016,1,8,3:0:0:0:
393,192,109104,1,10,0:0:0:0:
391,148,109194,1,8,0:0:0:0:
372,108,109284,1,10,0:0:0:0:
222,228,109464,6,0,L|219:336,1,88,4|0,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
219,315,109733,1,8,0:0:0:0:
219,315,109823,1,8,0:0:0:0:
372,108,110003,5,6,0:0:0:0:
256,192,110093,12,0,111800,0:0:0:0:
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Monstrata
Math is hard. Rebubbled~
newyams99
694 posts
Joined December 2013
newyams99
Ok, just rechecked the diffs for any AiMod issues, and they seem fine :D

Re-qualified!

8-) 8-)
Namki
1,281 posts
Joined November 2014
Namki
congrats!
Broly
126 posts
Joined July 2013
Broly
Not sure if it's just me but, the timing feels a bit off, the notes are a bit late.
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks

Broly wrote:

Not sure if it's just me but, the timing feels a bit off, the notes are a bit late.
Timing has been changed already. Also maybe you play with the Old mp3..
Broly
126 posts
Joined July 2013
Broly

Sotarks wrote:

Broly wrote:

Not sure if it's just me but, the timing feels a bit off, the notes are a bit late.
Timing has been changed already. Also maybe you play with the Old mp3..

Ah must've been it.
Aistre
632 posts
Joined September 2014
Aistre
Just want to drop a few things about the highest diff I'm concerned about

Kalitark's Hibike
General
  1. Any specific reason to why this diff is OD9.3? It's a little overkill don't you think? It also makes a pretty large jump in OD from the 5.52* diff which is OD8.7. If this was addressed before than that's okay, I just don't like the idea of a slow(ish) bpm map having such a high OD. Also remember that the second half of the map is a massive BPM change and it'll throw several people off. Making this map have such a small hit error just makes it so much worse and it's not helpful really. The only reason you've probably done this is to give the map more pp which is somewhat acceptable, but honestly is a bad mentality.
Mappu
  1. 00:07:977 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I really don't like how weirdly this plays out, I was expecting a similar version to the first set of 1,2 jumps (00:05:397 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ) since it uses emphasis based on small DS. Having medium ranged DS on the next pair of notes completely ruin the emphasis of these jumps when you want the exact opposite.
  2. 00:10:558 (1,2,3,4) - Why are these jumps spaced out so similar when you give the loud drums a much bigger DS on the next pattern (00:13:139 (1,2) - )? It looks weird and plays pretty weirdly since by introducing the small DS, you're giving the player an incentive to expect the next time the pattern appears to be the exact same so they'll under-aim the jumps. It feels pretty daft overall.
  3. 00:28:623 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Shouldn't this whole pattern be descending in DS? Atm it's everywhere and isn't structured at all compared to 00:29:913 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - . If you don't agree, at least change 00:28:623 (1,2,3,4,5) - since there's a random huge jump on 4,5 that doesn't seem justified at all. Deserves a change imo
  4. 00:40:235 (7) - This should have a NC imo to introduce the new combo scheme of having one every big white tick. This is also justified by having exactly the same spacing as the patterns right ahead.
  5. 00:43:945 (10,1) - I get that you're trying to be consistent with the triplets in the rhythm here, but every triple but this one is viable in the song and is clearly heard. This one on the other hand, is barely audible and kinda doesn't make sense because you've focused on nothing but the foreground (which is the vocals and the loud snares) up until this point (e.g. 00:32:494 (5,6) - , 00:28:139 (7,8,9,1) - )
  6. 00:48:461 (1) - 00:48:945 (1) - These shouldn't be NCs, the 1/2 jumps all use a NC at every big white tick. If anything, the jumps should be using a more frequent DS than this little section here, it's no where near as intense as the loud drums and that's shown through the mapping too, why not have both to clarify to the player? It just makes more sense.
  7. 00:56:696 (2) - This isn't really important at all but this is the only type of hook slider in the whole diff and it's at a random place in the song, no key changes or anything.
  8. 01:01:726 (3,1) - This is inconsistent because the finish is under-emphasized when you give it a bigger DS later on at 01:06:936 (2,3,1) - , 01:08:732 (2,3) - etc.
  9. 01:12:145 (1,2,3,4,5) - Shouldn't this have a NC at 01:12:684 (4) - or smth since you have the NC change at 01:08:193 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ? If not, then it all of these patterns should have the same, consistent NC as everything else.
  10. 01:14:840 (1) - There is no justification to this NC other than it looks nicer. Up to you if you wanna change
  11. 01:17:355 (1,2,3) - I don't like 3 being stacked with 1 since there is no reason for it to be there. The lyrics are different and the tone of the song is slightly lower. Why not have 3 spaced slightly lower? This will give the jumps after more of a punch and then it'll be justified with the actual song.
  12. 01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - To me this is emphasized strangely. 01:20:932 (2,1) - & 01:21:292 (2,1) - sounds like they should be the ones with higher DS here instead of the current spacing you follow (01:21:112 (1,2) - 01:21:472 (1,2) - ). With the drums increasing in intensity, they would be more represented with the proposed DS changes.

    Overall I think some of the emphasis used could be polished a little more, especially with 01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - since sometimes you ignore the intensity increasing however sometimes you do. It's best to be consistent with these types of things since it gives the player one incentive to aim bigger instead of them remembering when the larger spacing comes.
Venix
Global Moderator
1,937 posts
Joined February 2015
Venix

Alphabet wrote:

Just want to drop a few things about the highest diff I'm concerned about

Kalitark's Hibike
General
  1. Any specific reason to why this diff is OD9.3? It's a little overkill don't you think? It also makes a pretty large jump in OD from the 5.52* diff which is OD8.7. If this was addressed before than that's okay, I just don't like the idea of a slow(ish) bpm map having such a high OD. Also remember that the second half of the map is a massive BPM change and it'll throw several people off. Making this map have such a small hit error just makes it so much worse and it's not helpful really. The only reason you've probably done this is to give the map more pp which is somewhat acceptable, but honestly is a bad mentality.
Mappu
  1. 00:07:977 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I really don't like how weirdly this plays out, I was expecting a similar version to the first set of 1,2 jumps (00:05:397 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ) since it uses emphasis based on small DS. Having medium ranged DS on the next pair of notes completely ruin the emphasis of these jumps when you want the exact opposite.
  2. 00:10:558 (1,2,3,4) - Why are these jumps spaced out so similar when you give the loud drums a much bigger DS on the next pattern (00:13:139 (1,2) - )? It looks weird and plays pretty weirdly since by introducing the small DS, you're giving the player an incentive to expect the next time the pattern appears to be the exact same so they'll under-aim the jumps. It feels pretty daft overall.
  3. 00:28:623 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Shouldn't this whole pattern be descending in DS? Atm it's everywhere and isn't structured at all compared to 00:29:913 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - . If you don't agree, at least change 00:28:623 (1,2,3,4,5) - since there's a random huge jump on 4,5 that doesn't seem justified at all. Deserves a change imo
  4. 00:40:235 (7) - This should have a NC imo to introduce the new combo scheme of having one every big white tick. This is also justified by having exactly the same spacing as the patterns right ahead.
  5. 00:43:945 (10,1) - I get that you're trying to be consistent with the triplets in the rhythm here, but every triple but this one is viable in the song and is clearly heard. This one on the other hand, is barely audible and kinda doesn't make sense because you've focused on nothing but the foreground (which is the vocals and the loud snares) up until this point (e.g. 00:32:494 (5,6) - , 00:28:139 (7,8,9,1) - )
  6. 00:48:461 (1) - 00:48:945 (1) - These shouldn't be NCs, the 1/2 jumps all use a NC at every big white tick. If anything, the jumps should be using a more frequent DS than this little section here, it's no where near as intense as the loud drums and that's shown through the mapping too, why not have both to clarify to the player? It just makes more sense.
  7. 00:56:696 (2) - This isn't really important at all but this is the only type of hook slider in the whole diff and it's at a random place in the song, no key changes or anything.
  8. 01:01:726 (3,1) - This is inconsistent because the finish is under-emphasized when you give it a bigger DS later on at 01:06:936 (2,3,1) - , 01:08:732 (2,3) - etc.
  9. 01:12:145 (1,2,3,4,5) - Shouldn't this have a NC at 01:12:684 (4) - or smth since you have the NC change at 01:08:193 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ? If not, then it all of these patterns should have the same, consistent NC as everything else.
  10. 01:14:840 (1) - There is no justification to this NC other than it looks nicer. Up to you if you wanna change
  11. 01:17:355 (1,2,3) - I don't like 3 being stacked with 1 since there is no reason for it to be there. The lyrics are different and the tone of the song is slightly lower. Why not have 3 spaced slightly lower? This will give the jumps after more of a punch and then it'll be justified with the actual song.
  12. 01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - To me this is emphasized strangely. 01:20:932 (2,1) - & 01:21:292 (2,1) - sounds like they should be the ones with higher DS here instead of the current spacing you follow (01:21:112 (1,2) - 01:21:472 (1,2) - ). With the drums increasing in intensity, they would be more represented with the proposed DS changes.

    Overall I think some of the emphasis used could be polished a little more, especially with 01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - since sometimes you ignore the intensity increasing however sometimes you do. It's best to be consistent with these types of things since it gives the player one incentive to aim bigger instead of them remembering when the larger spacing comes.
I totally agree with Alphabet, also I'll put some major and minor issues here:

00:17:010 (6,7) - I can't understand why you placed here spacing large like this. It doesn't emphasise ground on which you focused previously. For example 00:16:365 (4,5) - here you placed small spacing, because rythm is quite low, but spacing between 00:16:848 (5,6,7) - these objects can't be the same, because you've stronger rythm 00:17:010 (6) - here. But look for 00:32:332 (4,5) - this. It seems very undermapped, because rythm is stronger than previous one for which you've used higher spacing and this make no sense at all. These are more examples for spacing problems, but I'm pointing these ones with hope that you'll see what I mean.

00:52:026 (1,2,3) - Here flow is a bit harsh and uncomfortable. I think it can be a bit smoother angle between objects here, because it plays very weird.

Ofc this is not all, but I've to end here, because I haven't more time now.
Sotarks
3,524 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Sotarks

Alphabet wrote:

Just want to drop a few things about the highest diff I'm concerned about

[Kalitark's Hibike]
General
  1. Any specific reason to why this diff is OD9.3? It's a little overkill don't you think? It also makes a pretty large jump in OD from the 5.52* diff which is OD8.7. If this was addressed before than that's okay, I just don't like the idea of a slow(ish) bpm map having such a high OD. Also remember that the second half of the map is a massive BPM change and it'll throw several people off. Making this map have such a small hit error just makes it so much worse and it's not helpful really. The only reason you've probably done this is to give the map more pp which is somewhat acceptable, but honestly is a bad mentality. osu! is actually a challenging rythmn game, and on a rythmn game you need to be accurate to fit the music intensity propelly. Also, the diff Kalitarks' Hibike is the last diff of this spread which is the most challenging one, I want a High OD to match first of all with the star rating and the pattering i'm using in the map, and also for the reasons i gave you above. High OD means as well "well rewarded", a player with a good accuracy on this difficulty will be well rewarded with some performance point accurate with the play. So yeah I want to keep the current OD if possible, there're no reasons for me to change it.
Mappu
  1. 00:07:977 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I really don't like how weirdly this plays out, I was expecting a similar version to the first set of 1,2 jumps (00:05:397 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ) since it uses emphasis based on small DS. Having medium ranged DS on the next pair of notes completely ruin the emphasis of these jumps when you want the exact opposite. This pattern is just a small back&fourth gimmick for those rythmn, it plays well and I have no reason to change it since it doesn't affect the playability of the map.
  2. 00:10:558 (1,2,3,4) - Why are these jumps spaced out so similar when you give the loud drums a much bigger DS on the next pattern (00:13:139 (1,2) - )? It looks weird and plays pretty weirdly since by introducing the small DS, you're giving the player an incentive to expect the next time the pattern appears to be the exact same so they'll under-aim the jumps. It feels pretty daft overall.first of all the difference between 00:10:558 (1,2) - and 00:13:139 (1,2) - this is that the second one's drums are louder + they have vocals snapped on them and I want to give my spacing a build up. The other jumps of this pattern are here to follow the constant rythmn of the drums + the vocals.
  3. 00:28:623 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Shouldn't this whole pattern be descending in DS? Atm it's everywhere and isn't structured at all compared to 00:29:913 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - . If you don't agree, at least change 00:28:623 (1,2,3,4,5) - since there's a random huge jump on 4,5 that doesn't seem justified at all. Deserves a change imo I actually don't agree at all since this whole patterns has really strong vocals, and imo they are not deceasing, and I can here constant 1/2 drum rythmn, nerfing this pattern won't fit the the consistance of the diff.
  4. 00:40:235 (7) - This should have a NC imo to introduce the new combo scheme of having one every big white tick. This is also justified by having exactly the same spacing as the patterns right ahead. as you can see in most the the map I like to nc every 2 downbeats, and the reason is simple : acess to a better readability to follow my jump patterns by keeping the following points, and to NC every new vocals patterning. This is not a rule to nc every downbeat, am I wrong ?
  5. 00:43:945 (10,1) - I get that you're trying to be consistent with the triplets in the rhythm here, but every triple but this one is viable in the song and is clearly heard. This one on the other hand, is barely audible and kinda doesn't make sense because you've focused on nothing but the foreground (which is the vocals and the loud snares) up until this point (e.g. 00:32:494 (5,6) - , 00:28:139 (7,8,9,1) - ) every triplet, or 1/4 rythmns are barely noticable in this song, your issue here is valid imo, but here i want some variability in my 1/4 patterns, using triplets everywhere will make the playability a bit lame, having variations 1/4 is always better. It's like mapping a deathstream, sometime you put kicksliders to kill the rythmns or emphasis 1/2 beats that's barely stronger than the 1/4, it's just a case of variation here, so i'll keep my kicksliders. also i wanted more emphasis on 00:43:784 (9,1) - by using spacing according to the 1/4 sliders.
  6. 00:48:461 (1) - 00:48:945 (1) - These shouldn't be NCs, the 1/2 jumps all use a NC at every big white tick. If anything, the jumps should be using a more frequent DS than this little section here, it's no where near as intense as the loud drums and that's shown through the mapping too, why not have both to clarify to the player? It just makes more sense. is it written somewhere that those can't be NC? as you can see those 2 patterns 00:47:977 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - are the same, but rotated it a bit, to have a better readability and better visuals NC'ing the beggining of your gimmicks is always well apreciate gameplay wise, also focusing on drums to build up the DRUM+VOCAL intensity after it.


    I will reply from now for kalibe since he told me he disagree with what you are saying, and I do aswell.. So let me reply propely to this at his place anyway, since Kalibe and I anyway has almost same point of view mapping wise.
  7. 00:56:696 (2) - This isn't really important at all but this is the only type of hook slider in the whole diff and it's at a random place in the song, no key changes or anything. I don't agree since the actual shape of this slider offer you a nice circle flow to the next transition.
  8. 01:01:726 (3,1) - This is inconsistent because the finish is under-emphasized when you give it a bigger DS later on at 01:06:936 (2,3,1) - , 01:08:732 (2,3) - etc.This is not a thing, because like voice is not such loud as the previous ones, and by keeping 1/2 key spamming for a jump before, you already feel the intensity when you hit that slider. And I know Kalibe does lots of this kind of stuff.
  9. 01:12:145 (1,2,3,4,5) - Shouldn't this have a NC at 01:12:684 (4) - or smth since you have the NC change at 01:08:193 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ? If not, then it all of these patterns should have the same, consistent NC as everything else. the second pattern has a rythmn break that's why he did a nc, to have better readability when you break the rythmn. Also ncing what you mentionned is subjective, no actual need to do that.
  10. 01:14:840 (1) - There is no justification to this NC other than it looks nicer. Up to you if you wanna change You replied for me! It looks nicer indeed, but not only because of that it's also because it's not the same rythmn as 01:14:301 (1,2) - have, so it looks nicer and player can't missread the overlap.
  11. 01:17:355 (1,2,3) - I don't like 3 being stacked with 1 since there is no reason for it to be there. The lyrics are different and the tone of the song is slightly lower. Why not have 3 spaced slightly lower? This will give the jumps after more of a punch and then it'll be justified with the actual song. "yuwuki.." feels like the ki is in the same section of this vocal pattern, having the same movement back and fourth for a jump build up is a nice thing to introduce the next transition, so yeah keeping that stacked.
  12. 01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - To me this is emphasized strangely. 01:20:932 (2,1) - & 01:21:292 (2,1) - sounds like they should be the ones with higher DS here instead of the current spacing you follow (01:21:112 (1,2) - 01:21:472 (1,2) - ). With the drums increasing in intensity, they would be more represented with the proposed DS changes. It could be, but it's just constants drums here, spacing don't affect it so much, he's going for a V flow here which is pretty cool to emphasis drum rythmns like that, emphasis is correct anyways here.

    Overall I think some of the emphasis used could be polished a little more, especially with 01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - since sometimes you ignore the intensity increasing however sometimes you do. It's best to be consistent with these types of things since it gives the player one incentive to aim bigger instead of them remembering when the larger spacing comes. I know what you are trying to say, and I can valid that. But what i know is your emphasis modding is pretty subjective and you can interpret emphasis differently it depends on how do you want to interpret the music by your mapping.

Venix wrote:

00:17:010 (6,7) - I can't understand why you placed here spacing large like this. It doesn't emphasise ground on which you focused previously. For example 00:16:365 (4,5) - here you placed small spacing, because rythm is quite low, but spacing between 00:16:848 (5,6,7) - these objects can't be the same, because you've stronger rythm 00:17:010 (6) - here. But look for 00:32:332 (4,5) - this. It seems very undermapped, because rythm is stronger than previous one for which you've used higher spacing and this make no sense at all. These are more examples for spacing problems, but I'm pointing these ones with hope that you'll see what I mean. This kind of patterning is called a "build up", as you can see 00:16:365 (4) - the vocals are starting lower, 00:17:010 (6) - and accelerate here, and ends 00:17:494 (7) - here and goes louder. Same here 00:32:332 (4) - i emphasized this instead of 00:32:494 (5) - because I felt like vocals has more emphasis power than the kick here.

00:52:026 (1,2,3) - Here flow is a bit harsh and uncomfortable. I think it can be a bit smoother angle between objects here, because it plays very weird. sharp angles do sometimes gives more emphasis that you think, and it will create a nice v flow after it, so basicly this will not be changed.
Thanks for looking at my map, I hope my reasoning are understandable enough for you.
Hollow Delta
793 posts
Joined March 2015
Hollow Delta
Hey, I was told about this and I'd like to hear your reasoning for some decisions.

I've only looked at the last diff btw.

00:24:590 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - What's supporting the taps here? It's the same rhythm as 00:21:687 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - There's 2 issues I have with this decisions. One being you used a different concept to map a repeated section. This part is no different than the first, so there's no need for a new concept yet.
Also is the combination of hits with the circles. 00:25:235 (9,10,11) - Here the intensity is different on each circle. 9 and 11 share the same intensity, but 10 is more subtle, yet they share the same distance and have a pattern that suggest they're all the same intensity. It seems like you've acknowledged this with your hitsounds, but not through the mapping. Since this is just a repeat of the first part, you could just recreate the same concept since it's nothing new.

00:33:784 (1,2) - 1 ends on a beat stronger than 2, because of that the rhythm is inaccurate. The priority on the end of 1 is stronger than 2, the player is left confused as sliders typically start on strong beats. Same issue with 00:34:913 (3,4) - Except here you used a longer slider to show the exaggeration, but what exaggeration? All the exaggeration is on 1, yet you split it into 2 notes which it isn't.

Also http://puu.sh/v9wrn/e03aa51f3a.jpg visual issue 00:35:558 (5,6) - here. It would look nicer if the slider was lined up with the lines.

00:37:655 (5,6,7,8) - I have questions about your patterning here. The first slider is mapped to the instruments, while the next 3 sliders are mapped to the lyrics. Despite the differences in where the sounds are coming from, you mapped them all as if they're coming from the same instrument. You need to contrast with a difference concept / pattern at 00:37:977 (6,7,8) -

00:38:865 (9) - This 1/4 jump has no support from the music. Yea it's there, but because it's stacked on 1 it's grouped with it. You're better of having that circle under the head of 9.

Overall I don't think the set is ready yet. It's needs some more polishing.
Good luck though.
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks
Dafuq, i'll reply to this after class.
thx monstrata for the reply while i was at school!

Bubblun wrote:

Hey, I was told about this and I'd like to hear your reasoning for some decisions.

I've only looked at the last diff btw.

00:24:590 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - What's supporting the taps here? It's the same rhythm as 00:21:687 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - There's 2 issues I have with this decisions. One being you used a different concept to map a repeated section. This part is no different than the first, so there's no need for a new concept yet.
Also is the combination of hits with the circles. 00:25:235 (9,10,11) - Here the intensity is different on each circle. 9 and 11 share the same intensity, but 10 is more subtle, yet they share the same distance and have a pattern that suggest they're all the same intensity. It seems like you've acknowledged this with your hitsounds, but not through the mapping. Since this is just a repeat of the first part, you could just recreate the same concept since it's nothing new.It's just really simple to justify this pattern man,00:21:687 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - this is the first vocal section of the drum build up / vocal pattern... so I don't want to full jump this section because 00:24:590 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - here as you can see the vocals are increasing, so I want to build up this section with intense jump, that's all, also every notes has 1/2 constant rythmns supporting those. So I won't change this because I want to keep my built up emphasis.

00:33:784 (1,2) - 1 ends on a beat stronger than 2, because of that the rhythm is inaccurate. The priority on the end of 1 is stronger than 2, the player is left confused as sliders typically start on strong beats. Same issue with 00:34:913 (3,4) - Except here you used a longer slider to show the exaggeration, but what exaggeration? All the exaggeration is on 1, yet you split it into 2 notes which it isn't. I already explained that in the mod above, I want to give more intensity on the vocals but still following the drums rythmn wise. 00:34:913 (3) - this note is the last vocal of this section, so I want to emphasis it but still following 00:35:074 (4) - claps like this one anyway. spacing everything would've been a mess because the player don't know what is propelly emphasized anyway. So rythmn is correct since i'm following all the rythmns (vocals + drums) and spacing is ok aswell since i want to focus more on vocals.

Also http://puu.sh/v9wrn/e03aa51f3a.jpg visual issue 00:35:558 (5,6) - here. It would look nicer if the slider was lined up with the lines. "Visual issue" ?? Wat.. It's just aesthetics dude, i have no problem with this visuals.

00:37:655 (5,6,7,8) - I have questions about your patterning here. The first slider is mapped to the instruments, while the next 3 sliders are mapped to the lyrics. Despite the differences in where the sounds are coming from, you mapped them all as if they're coming from the same instrument. You need to contrast with a difference concept / pattern at 00:37:977 (6,7,8) - I can agree with you but I wanted a build up by using the V flow spacing, to catch the vocals correctly, and the drums here was part of this pattern, since i didn't decide to NC it.. I like to change my flow when I NC a note.

00:38:865 (9) - This 1/4 jump has no support from the music. Yea it's there, but because it's stacked on 1 it's grouped with it. You're better of having that circle under the head of 9. Do you think so? I hear 1/4, I hear hard drums and I hear loud vocals, what tells you I can use this spacing ? Not fixing that.

Overall I don't think the set is ready yet. It's needs some more polishing. I don't think, according to your modding, you are qualify enough to judge if a map is not polished enough to be ready. Your mods are only really subjective reasons, and personnal opinions. Which is not wrong tho, but it's not the kind of mod you want for qualified maps. Every maps can't apply opinions of everyones, the mapper has priority on it since it's his way to interpret the song by his mapping.
Good luck though. Thanks for modding!
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Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Monstrata

Bubblun wrote:

Hey, I was told about this and I'd like to hear your reasoning for some decisions.

I've only looked at the last diff btw.

00:24:590 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - What's supporting the taps here? It's the same rhythm as 00:21:687 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - There's 2 issues I have with this decisions. One being you used a different concept to map a repeated section. This part is no different than the first, so there's no need for a new concept yet.
Also is the combination of hits with the circles. 00:25:235 (9,10,11) - Here the intensity is different on each circle. 9 and 11 share the same intensity, but 10 is more subtle, yet they share the same distance and have a pattern that suggest they're all the same intensity. It seems like you've acknowledged this with your hitsounds, but not through the mapping. Since this is just a repeat of the first part, you could just recreate the same concept since it's nothing new.

00:33:784 (1,2) - 1 ends on a beat stronger than 2, because of that the rhythm is inaccurate. The priority on the end of 1 is stronger than 2, the player is left confused as sliders typically start on strong beats. Same issue with 00:34:913 (3,4) - Except here you used a longer slider to show the exaggeration, but what exaggeration? All the exaggeration is on 1, yet you split it into 2 notes which it isn't. This rhythm is fine. You see this a lot in maps nowadays. It's just a different rhythm choice here, which is consistent with the rhythm choice in the map. There are always many ways to express a song's rhythm. If you want to say it's inaccurate, it's better to argue along the lines of "the rhythm doesn't complement the layer you appear to be mapping to" rather than "the rhythm doesn't follow a beat I consider to be stronger"

Also http://puu.sh/v9wrn/e03aa51f3a.jpg visual issue 00:35:558 (5,6) - here. It would look nicer if the slider was lined up with the lines. This really depends on the mapper's aesthetics.

00:37:655 (5,6,7,8) - I have questions about your patterning here. The first slider is mapped to the instruments, while the next 3 sliders are mapped to the lyrics. Despite the differences in where the sounds are coming from, you mapped them all as if they're coming from the same instrument. You need to contrast with a difference concept / pattern at 00:37:977 (6,7,8) -

00:38:865 (9) - This 1/4 jump has no support from the music. Yea it's there, but because it's stacked on 1 it's grouped with it. You're better of having that circle under the head of 9. There's definitely support from the music...

Overall I don't think the set is ready yet. It's needs some more polishing.
Good luck though.
Just a quick opinion. Not going to comment on everything because I can't speak for Sotarks or Kalibe's reasoning for every pattern.
Hollow Delta
793 posts
Joined March 2015
Hollow Delta

Sotarks wrote:

Dafuq, i'll reply to this after class.
thx monstrata for the reply while i was at school!

Bubblun wrote:

My response is in blue

Overall I don't think the set is ready yet. It's needs some more polishing. I don't think, according to your modding, you are qualify enough to judge if a map is not polished enough to be ready. Your mods are only really subjective reasons, and personnal opinions. Which is not wrong tho, but it's not the kind of mod you want for qualified maps. When it comes to ranking a map logical reasoning > opinion. So far you apply anything you like rather than what actually makes the map better. Every maps can't apply opinions of everyones, the mapper has priority on it since it's his way to interpret the song by his mapping. This isn't supposed to be a personal attack on you, but your 'interpretation' isn't always going to be accurate. Maybe if this map was for loved you could get away with saying that, but for ranking you need to be objective. Also, the mapper doesn't have priority because whether a map gets ranked or not is completely up to the nominators who look at the map.
Good luck though. Thanks for modding!
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks

Sotarks wrote:

Dafuq, i'll reply to this after class.
thx monstrata for the reply while i was at school!

Bubblun wrote:

My reponse is in orange

Overall I don't think the set is ready yet. It's needs some more polishing. I don't think, according to your modding, you are qualify enough to judge if a map is not polished enough to be ready. Your mods are only really subjective reasons, and personnal opinions. Which is not wrong tho, but it's not the kind of mod you want for qualified maps. When it comes to ranking a map logical reasoning > opinion. So far you apply anything you like rather than what actually makes the map better. Every maps can't apply opinions of everyones, the mapper has priority on it since it's his way to interpret the song by his mapping. This isn't supposed to be a personal attack on you, but your 'interpretation' isn't always going to be accurate. Maybe if this map was for loved you could get away with saying that, but for ranking you need to be objective. Also, the mapper doesn't have priority because whether a map gets ranked or not is completely up to the nominators who look at the map. I already had losts of opinions, feedback, modding, testplays, to affirm that this map is ready to be in the ranked section. I didn't take that like an attack it's like i interpret that alphabet modded, and he called his friend to mod it to, since i declined everything he called another friends and seem like you guys just want to get DQ my map with really subjective reasons that I don't agree with, some concers are valid but it's still your opinions, and those concerns won't affect map quality so far. I would like to end the disscusion here if possible.
Good luck though. Thanks for modding!
Skubi
856 posts
Joined December 2013
Skubi
Now I'm going to say something about Kalibe's diff, but in Polish... Why? Because he has to deal with his problems by himself, and not ask some other guys to protect him like he's a baby or something... And Sotarks, don't you even try to translate google things I'm going to write to him. It's his problem, not yours.

To Sotarks / To Kalibe


00:05:397 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Sounds are the same in the music and you still increased the spacing. This has nothing to do with what is in the music. This is RHYTHM GAME, not fcking wrist-breaker
00:07:494 (2,3,4,5,6) - This stream is wrongly blanketed with (1) circle
00:07:977 (1,2,1,2) - Here, you did constant snapping instead... Maybe it's finally time to make patterns that has sense to music or else just stop mapping?
00:11:365 (6,8,9,10) - If (6) slider is straight, why (8,9,10) are curved? Explain it to me because it has no sense, it just looks horrible
00:13:945 (6,8,9,10) - On the other hand, here, there are no straight sliders. You can't even keep the patterns constant throughout the song...
00:34:913 (3) - This is wrongly blanketed, and dont tell me this is "aesthetics" because it has nothing to do with aesthetics.. (explanation is below)
00:35:558 (5,6) - Same here... I saw you were already discussing this thing here, and I don't fucking understand why you are so against moving these two objects couple of pixels further to either blanket with the slider, and also keeping equal distances from the slider itself. On the other hand you are complaining that this is aesthetics... Then let's say you are in school, Art lesson, and you have to draw a circle as good as possible, and you draw an egg shape (intentionally). If you will say this is a circle for you, it isn't a circle for everybody else, because for everybody else its an egg shape. Then you cry that you got a bad grade... just... don't be a jerk and sometimes listen to others...
00:37:332 (3) - You can move it a one pixel closer to a slider
00:41:687 (2,3,4) - I don't understand why you won't start with the full spacing, but you start with the half of it. The song doesn't change here. Of course, the vocals are ascending, but you don't increase the spacing evenly with the vocal... the build-up you've done is unjustifiable.
00:45:719 (5,6,7,8) - Similar situation here, you should evenly increase spacing of this pattern with the vocals. You can't just put circles how you want them to be. This is rhythm game!!

I think you just took your job of pp mapper too seriously, and you can't make a proper map anymore without putting unnecessary jumps...



01:03:433 (6,1) - I don't get it, why is there a lower spacing? It's misleading..
01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - the beat is constant here, why are you increasing the spacing? This hasn't got to do with anything that is happening in the song. Jumps here should be constantly snapped.

Your part is pretty clean and good.



Overall, I think there is too big difficulty spike between both of parts. Either Sotarks's part is too hard, or Kalibe''s part is too easy. This shouldn't be ranked at all and should be repaired ASAP.
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Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks
Hey wtf those are my parts xD
You want Kalibe to reply for me lol ? And why you guys are losing your Time here zzz
Skubi
856 posts
Joined December 2013
Skubi

Sotarks wrote:

Hey wtf those are my parts xD
You want Kalibe to reply for me lol ? And why you guys are losing your Time here zzz

Ok my bad, its because you wrote "Kalibe and Sotarks - I mapped one He mapped two" instead of keeping the order.

I will retranslate it later, now Im in school
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks

CptSqBany wrote:

Sotarks wrote:

Hey wtf those are my parts xD
You want Kalibe to reply for me lol ? And why you guys are losing your Time here zzz

Ok my bad, its because you wrote "Kalibe and Sotarks - I mapped one He mapped two" instead of keeping the order.

I will retranslate it later, now Im in school
Dude why are you even waisting your time here... XD
Doormat
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Joined September 2013
Doormat
don't mean to butt in, but the map description says sotarks mapped TrySail and kalibe mapped TRUE. from just listening to the song you can pretty clearly see who mapped what, so actually looking at the map description more clearly would've made it easier to structure your mod

or you could've just modded entirely in english instead of using two languages just because one of the collabers for that diff shares a common tongue with you but hey what do i know


actually i'm more baffled you can't identify who mapped what based on the style alone it's not like their styles are super similar to each others
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks
also how can you don't want any diffspike on hfs part 'cause one's bpm is much higher than the next one.. it's just impossible to keep consistent for those reasons, and those are collabs so yeah.
Just stop waisting your time trying to make dq post like this please.
Skubi
856 posts
Joined December 2013
Skubi
I've translated the mod to English...
Now the butthurt:

Sotarks wrote:

You want Kalibe to reply for me lol ?
No, I want Kalibe to take care of critics about his maps for himself, not asking other people to talk for him...

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Doormat wrote:

don't mean to butt in, but the map description says sotarks mapped TrySail and kalibe mapped TRUE
I made a mistake because:
1. The text is in grey color and the background is white, AND ALSO IT'S SMALL, so good luck with reading such things (especially if I have vision problem)
2.
You can see here that the scheme for this explanation of parts is:
Me and Kalibe
He mapped first song and I mapped second song
Where it should be:
Kalibe and Me
He mapped first song and He mapped second song
That's why I wrote the mod wrongly...
3.

Doormat wrote:

actually i'm more baffled you can't identify who mapped what based on the style alone it's not like their styles are super similar to each others[/size]
Seems like I couldn't recognise which part was Sotarks's and which was Kalibe's. I'm not a clairvoyant you know..

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Doormat wrote:

or you could've just modded entirely in english instead of using two languages just because one of the collabers for that diff shares a common tongue with you
Yes, i could, but then Sotarks would have to defend Kalibe's part entirely, while Kalibe is somewhere, sitting and laughing at everybody's butthurt. Even If Sotarks is Kalibe's "master/senpai" (call it however you want), it doesn't mean he should take responsibilities of bad mapping for him. Being a pussy isn't a good way Kalibe.
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Sotarks wrote:

And why you guys are losing your Time here zzz

Sotarks wrote:

Dude why are you even waisting your time here... XD

Sotarks wrote:

Just stop waisting your time trying to make dq post like this please.
Now you are just pissing me off. What you are trying to do here is to push away everybody from this mapset so they can't share their opinions on this mapset. You are scared that you will have to remap the diff, and you know it isn't the best of all of your maps. What you are doing here is an act of insolence and arrogance... Everybody has a right to share their opinions, so you can't just tell me to go away.
I think I'm not wasting time here by trying to open people's eyes, that this diff isn't ready for being ranked...
If you think you can just tell other mappers that they waste time by looking for errors in your maps, because you think that your map is perfect. Then you should probably stop mapping and go socialize with people...
Izzywing
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Izzywing
I didn't want to say anything, but

Yes, i could, but then Sotarks would have to defend Kalibe's part entirely, while Kalibe is somewhere, sitting and laughing at everybody's butthurt. Even If Sotarks is Kalibe's "master/senpai" (call it however you want), it doesn't mean he should take responsibilities of bad mapping for him. Being a pussy isn't a good way Kalibe.
What even is this? So much jumping to conclusions here, what if Kalibe was busy or tired and asked Sotarks to respond for him? That doesn't make him a 'pussy' or whatever you seem to think. You basically just made an assumption, and then started being extremely rude over that assumption. Not cool.

Not giving my opinion on the map or w/e (consider me biased as I'm part of the set, so I won't bother)
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks
My replies are in blue

CptSqBany wrote:

I've translated the mod to English...
Now the butthurt: Oh yeah please hurt me !!!

Sotarks wrote:

You want Kalibe to reply for me lol ?
No, I want Kalibe to take care of critics about his maps for himself, not asking other people to talk for him...
You just said that his part is pretty clean, everyone is just complaining of my part, and also how I can't reply for kalibe since it's OUR collab,
also yeah he can reply aswell but it will be the same as me.. But if it makes you happy then he will I guess XD
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Doormat wrote:

don't mean to butt in, but the map description says sotarks mapped TrySail and kalibe mapped TRUE
I made a mistake because:
1. The text is in grey color and the background is white, AND ALSO IT'S SMALL, so good luck with reading such things (especially if I have vision problem)
2.
You can see here that the scheme for this explanation of parts is:
Me and Kalibe
He mapped first song and I mapped second song
Where it should be:
Kalibe and Me
He mapped first song and He mapped second song
That's why I wrote the mod wrongly...
3.

Doormat wrote:

actually i'm more baffled you can't identify who mapped what based on the style alone it's not like their styles are super similar to each others[/size]
Seems like I couldn't recognise which part was Sotarks's and which was Kalibe's. I'm not a clairvoyant you know..
sorry senpai i can't make a good description i suxx
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Doormat wrote:

or you could've just modded entirely in english instead of using two languages just because one of the collabers for that diff shares a common tongue with you
Yes, i could, but then Sotarks would have to defend Kalibe's part entirely, while Kalibe is somewhere, sitting and laughing at everybody's butthurt. Even If Sotarks is Kalibe's "master/senpai" (call it however you want), it doesn't mean he should take responsibilities of bad mapping for him. Being a pussy isn't a good way Kalibe.
You really think he's here sitting somewhere laughing at everybody's butthurt ? LOL he just doesn't care about all those subjective and useless DQ mod post you guys are trying to do. Please don't insult also, thanks.
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Sotarks wrote:

And why you guys are losing your Time here zzz

Sotarks wrote:

Dude why are you even waisting your time here... XD

Sotarks wrote:

Just stop waisting your time trying to make dq post like this please.
Now you are just pissing me off. What you are trying to do here is to push away everybody from this mapset so they can't share their opinions on this mapset. You are scared that you will have to remap the diff, and you know it isn't the best of all of your maps. What you are doing here is an act of insolence and arrogance... Everybody has a right to share their opinions, so you can't just tell me to go away.
I think I'm not wasting time here by trying to open people's eyes, that this diff isn't ready for being ranked...
If you think you can just tell other mappers that they waste time by looking for errors in your maps, because you think that your map is perfect. Then you should probably stop mapping and go socialize with people...
It's not insolence, or arrogance dude and also i'm not pushing away everybody.. Pushing away, or ignoring someone would've been me saying "ALL NO CHANGE ><" or just lazy replies. I replied propelly to EVERY of you guys mods with A LARGE REASONING to every arguments.
I'm saying you guys are waisting your time since it looks like everytime one of you gets declined you call your friend to take the lead of those DQ post. I don't think my map is perfect, no maps are perfect. But my map is qualified enough to be in the ranking section, and your subjective mods won't help the actual quality of the map since I don't agree with you guys anyway. All I think is you are getting pissed off 'cause you're not able to DQ my map with your mods.
I will also reply to your mod when I come back from school. 8-)
Kalibe
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Joined October 2013
Kalibe
wait, i don't really know what's going on here, i didn't respond earlier cuz i'm busy with school things zzz

"Being a pussy isn't a good way Kalibe" - What are you mean? I asked Sotarks to respond things for me, cuz i was busy and yes, i said sotarks to do things on his way, which i mostly agreed.

CptSqBany wrote:

01:03:433 (6,1) - I don't get it, why is there a lower spacing? It's misleading.. it's not lol. spacing here is lower spaced, cuz music changes intensity to less (here's SV)
01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - the beat is constant here, why are you increasing the spacing? This hasn't got to do with anything that is happening in the song. Jumps here should be constantly snapped. just like sotarks replied to this, music is getting much intense in my view. also wanted to get a nice-looking and fitting with song spacing concepts, that's all..

Alphabet wrote:

Just want to drop a few things about the highest diff I'm concerned about

Kalitark's Hibike
[*]00:56:696 (2) - This isn't really important at all but this is the only type of hook slider in the whole diff and it's at a random place in the song, no key changes or anything. it's one of my slider styles to get better flow to next object. tbh it's cool as it is and i don't want to change it
[*]01:01:726 (3,1) - This is inconsistent because the finish is under-emphasized when you give it a bigger DS later on at 01:06:936 (2,3,1) - , 01:08:732 (2,3) - etc. i focused here more on instruments than actual vocals, 01:01:726 (3) - seems the most intense from rest so i spaced it more than 01:01:906 (1) -
[*]01:12:145 (1,2,3,4,5) - Shouldn't this have a NC at 01:12:684 (4) - or smth since you have the NC change at 01:08:193 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ? If not, then it all of these patterns should have the same, consistent NC as everything else. no. i just did one time 01:09:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - there's the most intense part with instruments, then 01:11:067 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - follows more on vocal thing
[*]01:14:840 (1) - There is no justification to this NC other than it looks nicer. Up to you if you wanna change nah. that combo is for aesthetic meaning
[*]01:17:355 (1,2,3) - I don't like 3 being stacked with 1 since there is no reason for it to be there. The lyrics are different and the tone of the song is slightly lower. Why not have 3 spaced slightly lower? This will give the jumps after more of a punch and then it'll be justified with the actual song. but still 01:17:355 (1,2,3) - she singing only 1 word here.. also i like used spacing concept, imo fits with song really well
[*]01:20:753 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - To me this is emphasized strangely. 01:20:932 (2,1) - & 01:21:292 (2,1) - sounds like they should be the ones with higher DS here instead of the current spacing you follow (01:21:112 (1,2) - 01:21:472 (1,2) - ). With the drums increasing in intensity, they would be more represented with the proposed DS changes. same as earlier
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i hope my reasoning is clear enough and thx for opinions!
Makeli
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Makeli
im kalibe
Aistre
632 posts
Joined September 2014
Aistre

Sotarks wrote:

I already had losts of opinions, feedback, modding, testplays, to affirm that this map is ready to be in the ranked section.
You may do, but have you ever regarded the opinions or feedback from people that say the map could use more polishing before it's ultimately ranked? To me you're just ignoring everything because you have people that say it's rankable. It's like finding one set of data that's true to your hypothesis and pushing that in everone's faces against hundreds of data that proves said hypothesis wrong. There's multiple people here that are concerned with a few things, why not ask a BN for some help instead of blindly disregarding it all and asking us to go away? We're only standing up to our thoughts.

Sotarks wrote:

I didn't take that like an attack it's like i interpret that alphabet modded, and he called his friend to mod it to
Huh? I'm sorry if you thought I was "attacking" you but that's an absurd interpretation to say the least? I asked some friends for their opinion and they wanted to write their own concerns.

Why is DQing a map bad anyway though? The whole point of the qualified section is to point out some potential issues people find regarding the mapset as a whole, subjective or not, before it's ranked. You might as well say that this shouldn't exist at all if you want me to leave qualified maps alone and focus on pending maps (you told me this in PMs). At most, you're the one attacking me by trying to talk to me in a patronizing way xd

Sotarks wrote:

you guys just want to get DQ my map with really subjective reasons that I don't agree with, some concers are valid but it's still your opinions, and those concerns won't affect map quality so far.
Everything is subjective in a way, there's almost always never a right or wrong. With emphasis, you're pretty much guaranteed to emphasize the vocals, or loud drums in the song, that's what I based my mod off because that's what this map is exactly doing. There's definitely some places where the emphasis is inconsistent (see the third and second point in my mod) and I wanted to bring that up.


Anyway,
With the second point ( 00:10:558 (1,2,3,4) - ) I can hear that the drums are slowly getting louder on the second set of the same jumps, but that's not a very good justification to how different in spacing these two are. 00:10:558 (1,2) - is spaced exactly the same as the "smaller" jumps that follow. All I wanted was for you to space 1 and 2 further so that the player can easily distinguish that there is a recurring pattern going on with the drums. At the moment, there is no incentive for the player to aim larger on the second or third pair of jumps.

Good luck
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks

Alphabet wrote:

Sotarks wrote:

I already had losts of opinions, feedback, modding, testplays, to affirm that this map is ready to be in the ranked section.
You may do, but have you ever regarded the opinions or feedback from people that say the map could use more polishing before it's ultimately ranked? To me you're just ignoring everything because you have people that say it's rankable. It's like finding one set of data that's true to your hypothesis against hundreds of data that proves says hypothesis wrong. There's multiple people here that are concerned with a few things, why not ask a BN for some help instead of blindly disregarding it all and asking us to go away? We're only standing up to our thoughts.
I already had opinions from BNs out side of this thread, some feedbacks IRC i've never posted here... And with my experience in mapping now, I can see that this map, at this current stage is totally perfectly rankable with a decent quality. That's why I can justify every patterns you're trying to argue with, I can still do that tho during the last 2 days of qualification.
I can agree about the fact that not anybody can agree with the map, but that's mapping right. That's why I can still argue with you guys about the fact I disagree with your mods.

Sotarks wrote:

I didn't take that like an attack it's like i interpret that alphabet modded, and he called his friend to mod it to
Huh? I'm sorry if you thought I was "attacking" you but that's an absurd interpretation to say the least? I asked some friends for their opinion and they wanted to write their own concerns.

Why is DQing a map bad anyway though? The whole point of the qualified section is to point out some potential issues people find regarding the mapset as a whole, subjective or not, before it's ranked. You might as well say that this shouldn't exist at all if you want me to leave qualified maps alone and focus on pending maps (you told me this in PMs). At most, you're the one attacking me by trying to talk to me in a patronizing way xd
I don't have any problems about DQing a map when it's worth doing it, most of the time I get the QATs to DQ my maps to fix stuff mentionned by others, just check my other maps that got DQ'd actually if you care. I'm not actually telling you to leave my map alone, you can continue if you want, but the result will still be the same. I don't see anything worth it your mod that is worth a DQ, that's why I don't request a DQ.
Also i'm not attacking you I just find out that ignoring to call all your friends to try and DQ my map, but it's okay it's mapping life! The difference between you and me is, sometimes I mod qualified maps about my thoughts and if the mapper disagree with me I leave it there and that's it, i won't call my mutual list to come and mod it to piss off the mapper, is his problem not mine.

Sotarks wrote:

you guys just want to get DQ my map with really subjective reasons that I don't agree with, some concers are valid but it's still your opinions, and those concerns won't affect map quality so far.
Everything is subjective in a way, there's almost always never a right or wrong. With emphasis, you're pretty much guaranteed to emphasize the vocals, or loud drums in the song, that's what I based my mod off because that's what this map is exactly doing. There's definitely some places where the emphasis is inconsistent (see the third and second point in my mod) and I wanted to bring that up.
As I said emphasis is a really large subjective theme dude. Everyone can interpret emphasis like they think it's the good way.


Anyway,
With the second point ( 00:10:558 (1,2,3,4) - ) I can hear that the drums are slowly getting louder on the second set of the same jumps, but that's not a very good justification to how different in spacing these two are. 00:10:558 (1,2) - is spaced exactly the same as the "smaller" jumps that follow. All I wanted was for you to space 1 and 2 further so that the player can easily distinguish that there is a recurring pattern going on with the drums. At the moment, there is no incentive for the player to aim larger on the second or third pair of jumps.
I can understand about what you are going with, but imo my pattern fits well that section and it's like that I WANT to interpret the song by my mapping, i could use your interpretation but it's the way YOU would map it, but not ME. So yes I could ask for a DQ to change pixel spacing, but it's not worth enough imo. And I like the current pattern like it is.

Good luck
Venix
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Venix
In another way, why did you put 00:51:832 - here red line? It's totally unnecessary, because bpm and ofset is the same .-.

And one more issue, Linatarks' diff has unsnapped objects:
01:35:452 (1) -
01:49:464 (1) -

On Harubbes' insane it's one too: 01:49:464 (1) -
Linada
995 posts
Joined November 2014
Linada

Venix wrote:

And one more issue, Linatarks' diff has unsnapped objects:
01:35:452 (1) -
01:49:464 (1) -
they're correctly snapped lol ?
Venix
Global Moderator
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Venix
are you 100% sure?
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks
Yep they are correctly snapped, did you redl the set?
Also for that redline it's just a reset downbeat, and it doesn't affect the gameplay.
Linada
995 posts
Joined November 2014
Linada
yes ? even aimod and modding assistant doesn't say anything about this

i checked for Harrubes' diff and it's correctly snapped too
C00L
1,078 posts
Joined September 2014
C00L
not trying to be rude here, but did any bn checking this map realised the obvious mistakes in timing near the end?

01:20:635 - starting from here, the timing isn't a constant bpm as seen clearly here 01:22:908 - at this beat, the timing seems to be at least 20ms out. As far as I'm aware that's unrankable tbh. This is more what it should be like

That wasn't the only instance, this here too 00:50:397 - this starts like 50ms earlier than the actual dominant beat 50,417 sounds much more accurate than this one, and the max acceptable range in inaccuracy is something like +-5ms so idk how this is a acceptable thing.


These kinda are there for a reason
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks

C00L wrote:

not trying to be rude here, but did any bn checking this map realised the obvious mistakes in timing near the end?

01:20:635 - starting from here, the timing isn't a constant bpm as seen clearly here 01:22:908 - at this beat, the timing seems to be at least 20ms out. As far as I'm aware that's unrankable tbh. This is more what it should be like
Please this song hasn't got any timing change at this place, please check Kibbleru's full version, I took mp3 from him.

That wasn't the only instance, this here too 00:50:397 - this starts like 50ms earlier than the actual dominant beat 50,417 sounds much more accurate than this one, and the max acceptable range in inaccuracy is something like +-5ms so idk how this is a acceptable thing.
I testplayed lots of time and this is timed ok, I also don't want to put it later because otherwise it's weird to play "i tried" !! that moment is pretty accurate and not missreading or missacc... maybe my ears are wrong but for me it's timed correctly, looked some testplayes on qualified leaderboards seems like poeple are accurate on this section, and both you mentionned...

These kinda are there for a reason

CptSqBany wrote:

Now I'm going to say something about Kalibe's diff, but in Polish... Why? Because he has to deal with his problems by himself, and not ask some other guys to protect him like he's a baby or something... And Sotarks, don't you even try to translate google things I'm going to write to him. It's his problem, not yours.

00:05:397 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Sounds are the same in the music and you still increased the spacing. This has nothing to do with what is in the music. This is RHYTHM GAME, not fcking wrist-breaker I'm sorry I broke your wrist dude, I can offer you a hospital ticket if you want... Also I want to keep my 1/2 rythm building up here, compared to 00:07:977 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this one decreasing thx.
00:07:494 (2,3,4,5,6) - This stream is wrongly blanketed with (1) circle Are you for real? You pixel mod qualified maps ?
00:07:977 (1,2,1,2) - Here, you did constant snapping instead... Maybe it's finally time to make patterns that has sense to music or else just stop mapping? I'll take that in consideration thanks senpai!
00:11:365 (6,8,9,10) - If (6) slider is straight, why (8,9,10) are curved? Explain it to me because it has no sense, it just looks horrible i inspired my self of alien by monstrata so poeple like you can eyes-bleed when you see my sliders!!!1 wtf is wrong with you is there a rule or smth to curve or not curve sliders ?
00:13:945 (6,8,9,10) - On the other hand, here, there are no straight sliders. You can't even keep the patterns constant throughout the song... pLS lEt Me choose when I wanT whjeN to CurVe or NOt sliDErs thX
00:34:913 (3) - This is wrongly blanketed, and dont tell me this is "aesthetics" because it has nothing to do with aesthetics.. (explanation is below) this is aesthetics!
00:35:558 (5,6) - Same here... I saw you were already discussing this thing here, and I don't fucking understand why you are so against moving these two objects couple of pixels further to either blanket with the slider, and also keeping equal distances from the slider itself. On the other hand you are complaining that this is aesthetics... Then let's say you are in school, Art lesson, and you have to draw a circle as good as possible, and you draw an egg shape (intentionally). If you will say this is a circle for you, it isn't a circle for everybody else, because for everybody else its an egg shape. Then you cry that you got a bad grade... just... don't be a jerk and sometimes listen to others... i never thought someone can do such words for blanket/pixel mod, man you should apply for harvard!
00:37:332 (3) - You can move it a one pixel closer to a slider one pixel? that's big, i'll maybe consider it to do smth like this : so maybe my blankets can be more accurate so poeple while playing will say OMG you're so good at maths !!!
00:41:687 (2,3,4) - I don't understand why you won't start with the full spacing, but you start with the half of it. The song doesn't change here. Of course, the vocals are ascending, but you don't increase the spacing evenly with the vocal... the build-up you've done is unjustifiable. well i don't want to start the hard jump section with full screen jumps already, you don't get the build up here, pls i explained this like 4 times already
00:45:719 (5,6,7,8) - Similar situation here, you should evenly increase spacing of this pattern with the vocals. You can't just put circles how you want them to be. This is rhythm game!! This is a loud vocal section!!!!!!!!

I think you just took your job of pp mapper too seriously, and you can't make a proper map anymore without putting unnecessary jumps... I wish the job of pp mapper can exist tbh, and earn money like 100$ bucks per pp maps, and evaluate your salary in term of full screen jumps and pp!!!
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Overall, I think there is too big difficulty spike between both of parts. Either Sotarks's part is too hard, or Kalibe''s part is too easy. This shouldn't be ranked at all and should be repaired ASAP. Overall, I think you are the most rude and bad modder I've ever seen. Your attitude should be repaired ASAP.
Also I don't get why you guys complain about the diff spike since the songs are not even consistant rythmn and intensity wise... It's normal that HFS has bigger diff spike than Dream Solister, imagine if it would've been reversed, it would be so wrong.
_handholding
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_handholding
I don't like the map but I like your mod replies, 30/30 very entertaining 👌

Also the grammar in the description is wrong
I mapped High Free Spirits' & he mapped Dream Solister's
It should be
I mapped High Free Spirits & he mapped Dream Solister
kds pls
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks

Kisses wrote:

I don't like the map but I like your mod replies, 30/30 very entertaining 👌

Also the grammar in the description is wrong
I mapped High Free Spirits' & he mapped Dream Solister's
It should be
I mapped High Free Spirits & he mapped Dream Solister
kds pls
I don't like you but I like the english correction since i'm a french scrub! Thanks
C00L
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C00L

Sotarks wrote:

Please this song hasn't got any timing change at this place, please check Kibbleru's full version, I took mp3 from him.
Just because you took a mp3 from another set doesn't automatically mean that it's timing is 100% correct, mistakes happen you know. Here let me show you a prime example of what i mean.

This map and this another map are in the same exact position that your set is in right now, one is a shorter version of the other. Yet if you look at them they both have such different quantity in timing points. They're both ranked, yet one had controversy during the ranking process about timing (guess which one) and he was saying the exact same thing you are saying about timing: "Oh but he ranked it it's the same mp3 just cut to shorter length so mines has to be correct too" That didn't go through and had many DQ's just because of that reason. Ofc if this gets ranked it will just show that you don't really show much appreciation about your map quality and you just want another +1 in your Ranked and Approved folder on your profile, it sounds harsh but that's the way i see it right now, unless you prove me wrong and actually ask more people about this timing issue, rather than relying on opinions from players not experienced in the editor itself. Ranking maps is one thing that is fine, but ranking maps with things you're not 100% sure about and that someone proved you wrong about is just lazy and ignorant tbh.
Monstrata
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Monstrata
There's only so much you can say before your continued response here is no longer about improving the map, but winning an argument. I mean, some people aren't even discussing the map anymore, but other people's comments: p/5929724.

When you mod a qualified map, you shouldn't be expecting the same reception as when you are modding pre-qualified. Also, if you are the modder, you shouldn't be able to say your mod is helpful, that's for the mapper to decide... And things can change from mapper to mapper. There's mapper/modder compatability here too, and if fundamentally, you and the mapper disagree on mapping philosophies, that just naturally translates to very few if any changes being beneficial for them.
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Monstrata
@C00L

That was mainly because I edited my mp3 to recalibrate the majority of offset shifts. It's possible for ranked maps to have poor timing, but you can always test this by looking at player feedback. The advantage of a ranked map is you will have a huge playerbase to work with. The ranked mapset for dream solister basically has 1.6 million plays and no complaints about timing. It's still possible for ranked maps to have poor timing, but you can actually determine if thats true or not by observing player feedback, unlike on a qualified/pending map that won't have the same popularity.
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks
I can't assume the fact that you think i'm lazy, i replied to everymods correctly with proper arguments, poeple ended up insulting me so that's why now I'm a bit pissed off...
I do care about the map quality, and I don't care about the +1 in ranked folder tbh.
And I do think that the timing of this song is correct, and plays well.
Pachiru
osu! Alumni
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Pachiru
Good set yay
Doormat
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Doormat
i never thought i'd see the day a comment would get modded LMAO
Hollow Delta
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Hollow Delta

Sotarks wrote:

I can't assume the fact that you think i'm lazy, i replied to everymods correctly with proper arguments, poeple ended up insulting me so that's why now I'm a bit pissed off...
I do care about the map quality, and I don't care about the +1 in ranked folder tbh.
And I do think that the timing of this song is correct, and plays well.
Not all of your responses were proper, which is why some people aren't happy right now. There's been a few cases where you've said someone's suggestion was 'valid' but still don't apply it. It doesn't matter if the map is qualified, that doesn't change the fact that a suggestion could still improve the overall quality of the set.
Nao Tomori
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Nao Tomori
there is some difference between improving the quality of a set subjectively and improving it in some objective way. most of suggestions he says are valid are purely aesthetic anyway, or based on different interpretation. it is always possible to nitpick and nitpick on something but not actually improve it, which is what sotarks is trying to say here.
C00L
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C00L

Monstrata wrote:

It's possible for ranked maps to have poor timing, but you can always test this by looking at player feedback.
So isn't the point of a qualified section to improve on those "poor" things rather than keeping them just because you cant be bothered to go through the hasle of requalifing the map. Even if a player base is large who knows how many of them complained about it just havent raised awarness of it because they're players and from that 1.6 million i woudn't doubt only max 100 thousand of them know forums even exist and 60 thousand know that you can post on them and even if they had concerns they woudn't raise any awarness because they don't want to be ignored or just respected as a newbie. To be fair it is a small difference and yes maybe people don't notice it as much but still improving on that blatant error would just result in only positives, this is what I don't get. Also I didn't know what you did to the mp3 but I was just posting that as a prime example.




Also @Sotarks my appologies maybe i went a bit too out at you, when saying you are lazy i was referring to the DQ of a map to improve it and easily requalifing it just for the better, with your popularity that shoudn't be such a big issue and you know it shoudn't. Also i do understand that you are a bit frustrated with the all on going about the set itself, i haven't taken a deep look at it but i talked with a friend about it and he raised some corncerns that are really questionable, like this for example 00:10:558 (1,2,3,4) - the (1) and (2) would be fine i guess in terms of emphasis yet the visual spacing of the next (3) and (4) seems really similar to each other and therefore in return giving the player feedback of why were they so close and similar when the sounds are so different. Also the emphasis would be ok i guess for (1) and (2) mentioning this again since here 00:13:139 (1,2) - same sounds and different representation again. Ofc you can say that the slider 00:09:429 (1) - is slowed down to give that impact... it just doesn't. Also the slider here could be improved visually a lot it looks rather unpolished atm. More or less that's what really caught my eye, he said there are much more of these so i guess he does have some points to make too. Again sorry for going all out didn't mean to make you feel anyway worse, that wasn't my intention... it never is. But imo if you don't believe me ask somebody experienced in timing more, since imo this is too obvious to stay like this, no matter what players say improving this would only go for the better.

I'll try to be more civil next time i raise concern, mb again
Monstrata
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Monstrata
Your assumption is that the timing is poor according to yourself. I'm just saying that your view doesn't seem to be expressd elsewhere. The qualified section is absolutely a place to improve poor qualities, but the timing seems perfectly fine for people. If no one complains, isn't it more logical to think they are fine with the timing? Doesn't seem as logical to say ppl don't complain because they don't know forums exist lol
C00L
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C00L
Well just like i cant convice you that something is wrong, you cant convince me that everything is fine. It does seem it's only me raising awarness but i guess you do make a point, it is only me and nobody else. All i can say is the map is going to be ranked soon so congrats i guess. Ill refrain from posting about timing again
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C00L wrote:

Well just like i cant convice you that something is wrong, you cant convince me that everything is fine. It does seem it's only me raising awarness but i guess you do make a point, it is only me and nobody else. All i can say is the map is going to be ranked soon so congrats i guess. Ill refrain from posting about timing again
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C00L wrote:

Well just like i cant convince you that something is wrong, you cant convince me that everything is fine. It does seem it's only me raising awareness but i guess you do make a point, it is only me and nobody else. All i can say is the map is going to be ranked soon so congrats i guess. Ill refrain from posting about timing again
kds pls
_handholding
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_handholding
so err, are you going to change the description then or...? I just don't get why you would keep something that way when it's wrong
C00L
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C00L
Haha sorry Momoka I tend to miss out letters when typing on my tablet x)
Sotarks
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Topic Starter
Sotarks
I will kisses
EDIT: ok so no kisses i won't fix that was a meme, it's like the "he mapped oddS and evenS" i replay hfs and dream solister by a commun noun, so that's why the "s".
EDIT2: Wtf I didn't realise that this map got reported 3 times here xd Nice guys, one time is not enough!
freddofrog
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freddofrog
Extremely unhappy with the ranked status on this map... pentarks difficulty is exceptionally out of time by about -30ms and is unplayable...
skyhunter45
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skyhunter45
looking forword to it
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