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Gaia
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Kibbleru
is skystar's gunna get ranked b4 this :(
Spaghetti
Just address the issues and get your old BN's to replace their icons, I doubt the QAT will want to nitpick at this map again after all that drama.

A lot of people want this ranked.
Xantaria

Aleycks wrote:

For the love of god, could you leave this map alone and let it be ranked. Please.
xdomiz
it should be ranked, sick beatmap :D
polsn

Aleycks wrote:

For the love of god, could you leave this map alone and let it be ranked. Please.
KonataN

Aleycks wrote:

For the love of god, could you leave this map alone and let it be ranked. Please.
sLaiNi

Aleycks wrote:

For the love of god, could you leave this map alone and let it be ranked. Please.
Aleycks

Aleycks wrote:

For the love of god, could you leave this map alone and let it be ranked. Please.
_koinuri
Please stop spamming useless posts, it was locked once for a reason. If you really want to see this map move forward, help out the mapper by making mod posts instead. Spamming won't do anything but lock this thread.
Fujiyama Panic



note to admin/mods:
add the option to delete own posts. :<
captin1

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

captin's Extra

Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm

  • The issues mentioned by Loctav have not been addressed - since it was an unsucessfully contested DQ, everything posted there must be fixed before it can proceed towards ranked status.
    The difficulty still seems artificial and lacks a concept in many aspects; There are jumps between essentially all of the objects, so there is no basic spacing the map goes back to. Emphasis for really strong beats through jumps is completely lost, as there are also jumps before weaker beats.
    The rhythm is very dense and consists of a lot of overmapped triplets and extended sliders. Similar to the jumps, those take away the emphasis of triplets and streams that really fit the music and those feel like they were artificially inserted. All of this is addressed below.
    Examples for the above issue:
  1. 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section Exactly as has been stated in the thread, the slider velocity of this section creates an overall faster cursor speed, and this is what determines whether or not a placement is a jump or not. There is very little variation in the general cursor speed of this section, and it is notably lower than later sections of the map. My mapping does not return to a "base spacing" per say. Rather, it relies on the differences between playing a slider vs. playing a circle, and the smooth flow style that I have developed and honed over the years. There are no flow breaks or heavy rhythmic emphasis sections during this, so I see no reason why this should have been pointed out.
  2. 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped. Fun fact: nothing in here is overmapped, by the definition that we consider "overmapping." There is a constant 1/4 track in the music which I am basing my rhythm on. Furthermore, this is very weak reasoning, based purely on opinion. "Should be" implies that there is a "correct" way to map a section of music, which is completely destroying the work of so many mappers over the years, expanding the ideas and very definition of what mapping is and has become. The way of thinking that mapping is "art" , which I am a stout advocate for, causes me to believe that those who think that there are correct ways of mapping are elitist and close-minded.
  3. 03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects fixed from hinsvar's mod :P
k now that that's out of the way, on to the person who actually modded properly

Hinsvar wrote:

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

captin's Extra

Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm
  1. 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section Then? Doesn't Gaia's Extra diff employ jumps "every pair of objects" too? Admittedly Gaia has the jumps more structured, but the patterns captin made are fine, really. The rhythm, though, is a completely different story...
  2. 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped. I... have to agree with this, actually. I'll elaborate later.
  3. 03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects I can understand what are you trying to say here, and yes, in a few cases, the constant jumps can feel kinda odd due to the fact that the drums are stronger on the white tick here. However, I don't think this is... like, super bad or something.
ok lemme mod captin's diff

  1. 00:21:067 (1,2) - I get it that you want to emphasize the instrument at 00:21:393 and you'll need an object you can click to properly emphasize it. However, (1) currently ends at... nothing, right now. It also ends at an irregular spot, which makes it weird to play this slider. What I'm trying to say by irregular here is the instruments are mainly played in a rhythm every half a beat, landing on the white and red ticks.

    It'd be more natural to hit and play this slider entirely if you ended this on the red tick before the blue tick you're currently placing the end of the slider at (00:21:230) due to the reason I'm saying above. And you know, there is actually an instrument being played at 00:21:230 (although it's admittedly a faint one compared to 00:22:534, but it's there), but none at 00:21:312 (at least none that is played starting from this tick). Ending this on the blue tick will only cause awkwardness because you're not really emphasizing anything there. The whole point of the 3/4 slider is the lack of emphasis on the ending beat. Doing so creates more emphasis onto the note afterwards. Additionally, the fact that this object is a slider creates other ideas of emphasis other than simply where it starts and ends. The instrumental hold notes that are present on the downbeat of each phrase varies very slightly. At 00:21:067 (1) - and 00:23:676 (1) - the notes are slightly longer in length than at 00:22:371 (1) - , which is why I used a 1/2 slider for the latter rather than keeping to the 3/4 usage.

    (This applies to stuff like 00:23:676 (1,2) and 00:24:980 (1,2); the latter also has the exact same instruments played as 00:22:371 (1,2), so why the usage of the 3/4 slider there?)
  2. 00:32:806 (1,2) - Umm, there isn't even anything that'd give a valid reason to use a 3/4 slider here, such as any sound mapped by the circle that'd be weird if it were mapped with a slider's tail (in short, clickable objects). A 1/1 slider is definitely the best choice to map this spot, just like 00:34:111 (1). I don't know about you, but I definitely hear a note at 00:33:132 (2) - :P This is used consistently throughout this section, however I will give some thought to changing it to a 1/2 slider if others wish me to do so
  3. 00:43:486 (2) - Now... why? Okay, this is actually an okay overmapping that I have to approve. However, the triplet at 00:43:730 (3,4,5) loses its emphasizing power of the instrument the circles are mapping because you just used an overmapped triplet the moment before it.

    They might sound unrelated, yeah (I'm bad at explaining things like this lol), so I recommend you to just try comparing the current state of 00:43:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6) to how will it be if (2) didn't exist and you just made a jump between (1) and (3) instead. Trying it by yourself will be better. removed 2

    (This also applies to 00:52:861 (3,4,5,6,7), 00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6), and patterns with a similar rhythm.)
  4. 00:46:339 (4,5,6,7) - The rhythm and the usage of the 1/4 jump is okay, but don't you think the flow is odd considering how the slider and circles are placed? I'd make the slider... point at (5), and make 00:46:502 (5,6,7)'s placement corresponds with how (4) is placed. Something like this, I guess. I don't believe that's necessary, since the flow won't actually change in play for that, and I have a sort of stylistic visual choice to avoid diagonal patterns like that.
  5. 00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6) - I just mentioned this two points ago, but I felt the urge to mention it again. The overmapping doesn't go well with how the song rolls. It... just doesn't. I wish I could've elaborated this further, but it's impossible since it's pretty much because it doesn't "click" with the song's general rhythm, and that's it. Maybe it'd be better if the triplets began on the red ticks and end on the white ones (something like 00:52:861 (3,4,5)). I left the 1/4 slider since that doesn't have much actual effect on the rhythm and instead removed 5 entirely, making this more or less just a 1/2 jump section.
  6. 01:02:480 (1,1) - Use a 1/2 slider like this instead (I'm only showing the screenshot to show the rhythm; the placement is, of course, not the greatest choice)? Unlike 01:02:154 (1,2) where the 1/4 slider jumps would be really fitting with how the instruments are played, this one has a different music structure, and two 1/4 sliders with jumps between them definitely isn't the best choice to map this spot. I feel that would be extremely anti-climatic, and completely ruin the momentum that I am building up going into this next phrase. Additionally, going forward this pattern is further emphasized later on by a 1/4 synth run that would end up creating inconsistency if I changed it earlier and left it later.
  7. 01:26:284 (1) - Any reason why should this be... disjointed? I believe 01:25:632 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) should just have a constant spacing. 00:52:045 (3,4,5,6,1) is acceptable (for me at least) because (1) is the beginning of the chorus, which is pretty strong, and a bigger spacing is okay to emphasize that, but this one doesn't really have any reason, especially considering (8) is a circle. This would've been acceptable if (7) and (8) were combined into a 1/4 slider, IMO. fixed, was probably a mistake tbh
  8. 01:28:241 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ this was intentional, to give a sense of forward motion into this very jarring speed chage
  9. 02:05:415 (3,4) - This is purely an optional suggestion: How about combining them into a 3/4 slider to emphasize the instrument sound at 02:05:659 better (since it feels very different compared to the other instruments played at the second blue tick of a beat in this song)? It'd also help in making 02:05:741 (5) more accentuated. nice, did it for this and a later one
  10. 02:32:725 (1) - What makes you think this would fit in the group of objects of 02:32:480 (5,1,2)? I can't find any reason for this, so I thought it'd be cool to have more understanding about it. So my thought process for this was creating the double tap going into 02:32:806 (2) - in order to give emphasis to the vocal. And as for the pattern, it's simply just some drop off flow from 5 moving in a general upwards trend from before. Basically, creating emphasis with rhythm and a flow change rather than spacing.
  11. 02:51:638 - Why isn't this mapped? It's odd to just leave the instrument here unmapped because it's just as noticeable as 02:51:801. added
  12. 02:56:937 (7,8) - Honestly, I'm wondering why didn't you use 1/4 sliders or continue the 1/4 stream here considering how great they'd be emphasizing the instruments here. oo yea done
  13. 03:08:024 - 03:13:078 - I think the problem here doesn't lie on how this section has jumps between every object consistently, but more on the fact that you emphasized the stronger instruments with smaller jumps than the weaker instruments, which makes the accentuation of the instruments here happen in an inconsistent manner. This happens at:
    1. 03:08:676 (3,4,5)
    2. 03:11:121 (3,4,5)
    3. 03:12:100 (2,3,4)
    At those spots, the jumps from the red tick to the white tick (from the weaker to stronger instrument sound) are smaller than the jumps from the white to red ticks (from the stronger to weaker sounds). This does make sense from how you explained it. I readjusted some rhythms. However, 03:09:002 (4,5,1) - is left as is, and is actually more consistent through this section now, since there are two clear melody notes here that I am mapping to. And the ending section has more jumps simply to start leading into the very jump heavy section after this.

    But frankly, I think this isn't really that problematic anyway; I'm just sharing my thoughts here because I just... feel the need to.
  14. 03:17:154 (1,2,3,4) - Are you sure on using such a big spacing in a section where the music is really weak? I can understand the spacing from (1) to (2), but (2,3,4) really has no reason for the wide jumps. Yes I am sure, because these are just 1/2 sliders. It's essentially the same as having 1/1 circles at edges of the map; while the spacing appears to be large, they're actually extremely easy to hit with solid cursor control.
  15. 03:25:306 (2,3) - 03:22:697 (3,4) is okay since there is actually a base (instrument sounds) you're mapping to, but there is nothing to map at the end of these sliders, and the sounds of the instrument on the red ticks are of the "solid" type (without any kind of elongated sound and ends on a "flat" note). I... personally won't recommend the usage of 1/4 sliders here. swapped 3 for a circle
  16. 03:28:241 (1,1) - Very minor stuff, but uh, try to make them not touch each other? oops
  17. 03:45:116 (4) - Why do an overmapping here while there is actually something to map at 03:45:442? This way it goes way better with the song's instruments (you don't map emptiness, but something actually in the song which sounds weird if left unmapped anyway). oops
That's it.

I seriously hope you won't take this as an attack on your interpretation of the music. I respect how are you mapping the song with the rhythm and placement of the objects, but sometimes the map just... goes on its own way, going quite far from what the song presents. nah, everything you said has a lot of reasoning to it, there's just a couple things that I'm still staying stubborn on

Loctav wrote:

Whereas the Extra has a multitude of concepts that were not composed together fluently, this one appears to have no real concept and is more of a compilation of difficult patterns for the sake of it.
Still though, I'd like to disagree with this statement. I believe captin won't just paste hard stuff here and there for the sake of it. He knows what he's doing; he just went... a little too far at times.

Well uh, with that, I hope this will be requalified (and then ranked) without any more problems later :)
disappointing that in all of this thread spam there's only hinsvar's mod post, guess people don't actually want to help and would rather create a mess for the fun of it.

let's see where this goes from here
character count limits are stupid
Cherry Blossom
Captin, do you want some constructive criticisms on your diff or did you get enough ?

Edit (read post below) : Okay, i'll do it within a few hours.
captin1
i would love additional mods if you're willing to give them
Topic Starter
Gaia
~ W ~ E ~ W ~
Sakary
Hi.
Here's the japanese name for reol " れをる ".

Go for rank!
Cherry Blossom
Ok, let's go.

  1. First, I guess I understood what the QAT said about 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and many more patterns like this. They are not overmapped at all, and i want to set fire on the person that said they are. But, they are not really natural to play, it looks like forced difficulty especially with those 1/4 slider jumps with circles or anything else, and sometimes the spacing is not the same and that could be misleading. I got a lot of 100's on these sections and i was like "what ? all these 100 ?", I'm not really good at both accuracy and aiming, but that could be a pain to play for less skilled players.
    But imo, that's not something that should be DQed and that belongs to modern mapping.
  2. 01:04:437 (2,3) - The distance between these objects is too low compared to 01:03:621 (6,7) - which is less than 1 sec earlier, and as i said, it could be misleading and the player might hit 01:04:600 (3) - too early because he expected something spaced like 01:03:621 (6,7) - . (Assume the player is really noob at reading, like me). Same scenario for 01:13:893 (3,4,3,4) -
  3. 01:46:991 (6,1) - If i still follow your logic with emphasis, there should be more distance between these objects. If you look at the whole section, i don't really see any antijump on a strong beat, like this. So i guess it should be better if you keep the consistency with the way you use jumps.
  4. 02:25:795 (4,5) - And also, if i still follow your logic, there should be more distance between this 1/4 slider and this circle to keep the consistency with the previous kiai especially with 00:56:937 (4,5,6) - and 01:07:371 (3,4,5) - which are way more difficult than you did on the second kiai for the same sound. I suggest to move it somewhere like 408|152, i tested it and it plays nicely.
  5. 03:11:937 (1,2,3,4) - This looks a little overdone, there is nothing strong like vocals on red ticks, and playing a difficult jump pattern on nothing powerful excepted the white ticks you hitsounded is really weird. Consider making this jump easier to play, you can reduce the distance between each circles...
I spent a lot of time to understand what you did, sometimes it was really confusing but I finally got your logic with your patterns on kiai parts.
I hope it was helpful.
Good Luck, and no kd please because I already received a kd on this map 1 month ago.
captin1
everything fixed hah.

as for your first point yes, I understand that they are difficult patterns to play. this map is designed for those players who are able to do this well though, and I would rather cater to that crowd than to the masses, since there are so many easier maps in this set for others to play.

thanks!
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Meyrink

Gaia wrote:

~ Wh ~ E ~ W ~
Chaoslitz
Just opinions after a testplay

[captin's Extra]
  1. 00:57:263 (6,1) - Overlapping here make the angle become too sharp to play with after playing a more circular flow in 00:57:100 (5,6) - , I would suggest you to place 00:57:589 (1) higher, 00:57:915 (2) as well to fix ds if you are going to
  2. 02:20:578 (2) - I expected this slider to be ctrl+g after playing 02:20:089 (1,2), for me it is kinda misleading when 02:20:578 (2) is pointing downward instead
    yea ds between 02:20:578 (2,1) have to be increased if you fixed this

call me back
captin1
fixed the first, the second I think should be left so that I don't have that massive increase in ds, the difficulty of the pattern is fine as is

thanks!
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Chaoslitz
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Topic Starter
Gaia
this chaos is super effective ( ‾◡‾) ♥
Hinsvar
It's happening oh my it's happening
Winnie
HYPE! :D
Xinely

Hinsvar wrote:

It's happening oh my it's happening
Mikii
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ.
Flask


captin's Extra 00:19:763 (1) - so assymetry
Topic Starter
Gaia
♥ (‾◡‾ ) this F sauce is super tasty
Natsu
wew gratz
Ayachi-
regratz
Xinely
Jiang我爱你

i mean re-grats
Fatfan Kolek
yaaaaaaaaay :D
Feb
drops pitchfork

GZ
OmegaR
Shouldn't Source be
"Reol - No title−" ?
hehe

Wookiezi wrote:

Shouldn't Source be
"Reol - No title−" ?
no title is my favorite anime haha lol
Chaoslitz
Gratz Anna ww
Haruto
Regratz Gaia :D
meii18
Regratz Gaia :3
Giralda

Xinely wrote:

Jiang我爱你
Spaghetti
pleeeeeeease for the sake of my sanity get ranked

regrats!
Aerous
mapping is a happy thing! |ω・)و ̑̑༉
ac8129464363

handsome wrote:

Wookiezi wrote:

Shouldn't Source be
"Reol - No title−" ?
no title is my favorite anime haha lol
that is pretty good haha lol
Nathan
reworu
Rakuen
|ω・)و ̑̑༉ Grats

ByBy13 wrote:

Regratz Gaia :3

Haruto- wrote:

Regratz Gaia :D
Pls guys you spelt his name wrong! 8-) jk
Kayla
lmao.
Litharrale
inb4 rank
Nomination Assessment Team

Disqualification Notice



Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.

General

Combo colors

  • The light grey combo color blends with the background too much which makes some of the hitobjects hardly visible.
captin's Extra

Lack of concept regarding rhythms

  • The issues mentioned by Loctav and listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly again. Like stated previously, everything is mandatory to be fixed.
  1. 00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping.
  2. 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
  3. 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on.
  4. 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped.

If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.

The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###M
Feb
picks up pitchfork

tbh. I agree with this 00:49:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - It makes much more sense CTRL+G both combos in my opinion. Same later on.

The rest seems okay tho....
just my two cents
Cherry Blossom
Awh god, i don't want to see a new DQ record on this map ;w;
Btw i lost like 10 pps ;w;

Good luck on requalification process.

_________________


Quality Assurance Team wrote:

  1. 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these. Blue ticks are audible if you listen to them carefully, but due to the vocal, it's difficult to hear the sound on blue ticks
  2. 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped. same as ^
These 2 points about overmapping : it depends on the context and these triples work, they are natural to play and I understood what captin wants to do here with those triples. Adding extra triples that, apparently do not fit the song is not that bad, it just depends on the context.
Awh well, let's see what captin will say about these points you, the QAT, mentioned.
captin1
I swear to god if the general public starts throwing another fit in the thread without contributing meaningfully I will bring in someone much less lenient in moderation to clean up.

It's disappointing how selective and directly targeted the dq's are on this map. The amount of close-minded stubbornness and double standards going on here is completely ridiculous, and only serves to continue undermining what little credibility the QAT has left, and clearly shows how much of blind puppets to Loctav they truly are. It's sickening that this is the officially sanctioned system that we are running now. I hope for the future of this game (if it has any) that we will not remain in this system for much longer.
Topic Starter
Gaia
thanks CB, Meg, sLaiNi

to others, itd be cool if you guys help by making suggestions to the map.. here isnt the place for your compaints

im not giving up yet, so just chill and wait for the next requalification thanks :]


edit: and Hinsvar w
Hinsvar

- Ping - wrote:

The feature that helps QAT hide their name while writting post shouldn't used anymore , this is becoming more and more shit right now ....
Well, the discussion for a disqualification is always done by more than one QAT member ("discussion" gives a hint about it), so it'd feel kinda wrong for an individual QAT member to post it as it may imply that the DQ is done by the member's own discretion.

The light gray color can be a little darker, I guess, but it doesn't impact gameplay a lot. Also, while 00:35:986 (4) and 03:16:013 (2,3,4) + 03:16:502 (2,3,4) are indeed not fittingly overmapped (in the former case, there is no instrument sound that starts or lands there, and for the latter, I believe the notes on the blue ticks are incorrectly placed; they should've been placed to the previous blue tick of each respective note instead), the other two are perfectly okay, and overall, while there were a few valid points from the DQ post, I still don't think this map is that problematic rhythm-wise anymore...

While I'm here (again), I think I'll point out more stuff for captin's diff...

  1. 01:16:909 (6,7) - Visual spacing inconsistency? Remember, the SV multiplier changes here.
  2. 02:30:850 (5,6,7,8,9) - This stream shape looks unaesthetic tbh
  3. 02:34:111 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why did you overmap 02:34:355 and then just leave all the other sounds on the blue tick in this one combo unmapped? You can try to map 02:35:007 at least since it sounds quite noticeable (although it will definitely break the pattern here).
  4. 02:39:165 (7) - There is nothing at 02:39:246, but there's something at 02:39:083. Mind telling why is the rhythm made like this?
  5. 02:44:464 (8) - Same case as the one above; there is an instrument sound to map on the previous blue tick (02:44:301).
  6. 02:51:475 - Might as well map this because 02:51:393 - 02:51:882 has a series of instrument notes every 1/4 beats that sounds constantly strong enough.
  7. 03:17:806 (3) - When I talked about how big the jump is, what I'm really talking about is how big it is compared to how the pitch of the instruments go up and down here, which isn't that drastic to support a massive distance difference. Maybe try moving this to (409,277)?
  8. 03:20:904 (8) - Same as 02:39:165 (7).
  9. 04:05:415 - end - Maybe you'd like to map the instruments on the blue ticks here, as they're quite noticeable? Triplets will create more variance of rhythm in this section, too, and I believe that's a good thing since they fit with the song and makes this part less flat.
I'm supposed to mod other maps and sleep at this point, but there you go (again).

I hope this gets back quickly.
Pho

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

General

Combo colors

  • The light grey combo color blends with the background too much which makes some of the hitobjects hardly visible.
captin's Extra

Lack of concept regarding rhythms

  • The issues mentioned by Loctav and listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly again. Like stated previously, everything is mandatory to be fixed.
  1. 00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping. I don't see how this is a must-fix at all, it fits properly to the intensifying clap-sound . In terms of density and flow this section plays really smooth already and certainly is less motion-heavy than the more intense parts of the map.
  2. 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these. I partly agree that 00:50:007 (3,3) - are not beats you will hear out particularly in the track, but this part is a really intense build-up to the kiai and the triples support this really well without butchering the music. I agree with CB at this point.
  3. 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on. Okay, I kind of agree with this, this section was a bit over the top for what the music had to offer, especially 01:02:154 (1,2,1,1) - where I couldn't really see an increase of tension in the track either. But please, elaborate earlier on issues like these QATs and not in the 3rd or 4th DQ post. I suppose the same goes for 02:19:763 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - then?
  4. 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped. Same reasoning as in 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) -, only notes that aren't clearly audible in the track are 03:16:094 (3,3) - and the triples still work fine here due to rhythm consistency with above one.
Just a little rant, I'm almost getting tired of the drama around this map and the inefficiency of how this map - and maps with extra's in general - is handled by the QAT.
If you ever need feedback from me on this diff again Gaia/captin, feel free to call me back.
Cherry Blossom
Okay, time for a remod.
Last time I was suggesting things according to your own logic. Now i will tell you my own opinions, feel free to deny what you want, but please give a reason.

  1. 00:14:219 (3,1) - I'd like to see more distance between these objects to make sure there is a different gap between 00:13:730 (2,3) - and 00:14:219 (3,1) - (3/4 and 1/1) like you did there 00:16:828 (3,1) - .
  2. 00:32:806 (1,2) - Here, a 3/4 with a circle does not really fit the song, there is nothing really audible on the blue tick when you can hear something on the red tick here 00:32:969 - . It could be better if you use a 1/1 or a 1/2 slider instead of a 1/4 slider here. And following the continuous vocal is not really a good idea because we don't really know on which tick it ends. Same for 00:35:415 (1,2) - and many more.
  3. 01:02:643 (1) - Here, i don't understand why there is a NC here, it may be confusing with 01:02:806 (1) - or 01:02:317 (2) - , but when playing it is not. But if you don't have any reason to add a NC 01:02:643 (1) - just remove it. and same for 02:20:904 (1) - or 03:28:730 (1) - or 03:54:817 (1) -
  4. 01:33:621 (6,7) - There should be more distance between these circles to provide a better motion, i mean the player will not have the feeling that there is an antijump here, visually, the distance between 01:33:458 (5,6) - is longer than 01:33:621 (6,7) - (i said visually), so there should be more distance between 01:33:621 (6,7) - visually.
  5. 01:34:111 - to 01:38:187 - IMO, during this section you should avoid 1/4 sliders like 01:34:926 (4) - , even if they follow the song, they do not really fit the atmosphere and the intensity of this part, If you don't really want to avoid them, you should nerf the distance between the 1/4 slider and the next object.
  6. 01:49:763 - to 01:54:980 - If you compare this part and the second : 01:54:980 - to 02:00:197 - You can see that the first one is a little more difficult than the second one, because there is more density and more 3/4 sliders. You should make things more or less consistent, for example, why there is a jump here 01:50:741 (4,5) - and not here 01:55:958 (4,5) - ? They have the same intensity and they are at the same point on each part.
  7. 02:55:632 (3,4) - wow, i didn't notice that before. This could be really misleading here due to the tons of patterns with 1/4 sliders and sliderjumps you used. there should be more distance between these objects because the gap between them is 1/2 and visually it could be considered as 1/4 and that's not really comfortable to play, especially when you have this after the slider 02:56:203 (5,1) -

Good luck with requalification process ~
Dainesl
I'm here too, I guess, because I'm annoyed of seeing captin's diff DQ'd over and over again, so I'll just try and mod this to the best of my ability (which is insanely little, seeing as how I can't even read AR9.5 :D). Keep in mind that these are purely suggestions, so take them with a grain of salt. Also, Kiais are fair game here, so I don't think I'll judge those seeing as how emphasis from first glance appears to be mostly fine with this.

00:04:111 (1,2) - This seems a bit harsh to me. I mean, the song is still in its introduction stage and already you're making the players snap much more significantly than what they did before. If 2 was closer to 1, perhaps like here instead, the new combo afterwards could transition better into the next part in terms of overall emphasis, while keeping the intro more consistent.

00:09:491 (2,3) - You seem to be mapping the 1/4s here. That's fine. However, perhaps there's a better way to make this work (other than using a 1/4 slider, which is ideally not completed for the sake of better flow), because players aren't exactly experiencing the 1/4, making it less effective as a pattern in relation to the music. Maybe, if 2 were flipped around, and moved slightly towards 3 a bit like this then the 1/4s could be played a bit better, or maybe if this was just a 1/4 triplet it would work, but that's up to you.

00:31:176 (8,1) - Also, I feel as if this is too harsh considering the transition to a particularly calm part of the song. If you move 1 slightly closer (maybe 2-3 grids' worth of distance or so) to the sliderend of 8, and move 2's sliderstart accordingly, the transition becomes a bit smoother and more noticeable overall, and doesn't meld the two parts together in terms of difficulty and emphasis.

00:45:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The spacing in this combo overall is also quite...odd. The first three notes are fine, but the rest seem a bit too much for a bridge to the Kiai, and while this is indeed a really hard Extra, I think that having 1/4s right after a slider being this far away and having them almost completely stop is a bit too emphasis-happy for a relatively consistent part like this. Perhaps if the 1/4s were spaced out slightly farther to make less of a sudden shift of motion and move 8 accordingly somewhat like this you could keep the consistency a little more.

00:47:154 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - A lack of movement which suddenly peaks in the next 2 notes, and all of the notes in this part are of similar emphasis. At least build up the DS on these 2 combos to the 2-note combo so that the emphasis becomes more consistent within the map, seeing as how you remain fairly confident with high-spacing emphasis on particular things. I mean, 00:49:600 (4,1) - is fair game since vocals reach a peak here, so perhaps consider adding more movement here?

01:23:676 (1) - and 01:26:284 (1) - both seem to have very drastic SV changes. I get this, but maybe having 0.6x -> 1.3x both times is a bit too much of a change, particularly on the first one where more of the song plays out, so at the very least consider changing the first one to 0.65-0.7x.

01:33:458 (5,6) - This distance change seems way too much for a low-key point in the song, and as CB said just before me, the next note feels very much like an anti-jump that shouldn't really be an anti-jump. Perhaps if this DS was reduced, the next note will be a bit more readable as a result.

01:46:665 (4,5,6) - Perhaps 4 should have a slightly reduced distance towards 5 so that way the three notes can have a gradual build up of impact, because as it stands 4 has more spacing to 5 than 5 does to 6, and that doesn't seem like it works in terms of build up.

01:47:154 (1,2) - Not that high-key in relation to the song, and the spacing here is very high, especially due to the fact that there is no better way to do this combo than to not bother with the slider as I mentioned earlier. This time, I'm not too sure of a way to make it better, but try something like this to bring 1 a little closer to 2 while keeping the spacing and emphasis of the new combo as it was meant to be.

01:49:111 (5,6) - Again, people will not bother with the slider, and like before the 1/4 has less effect because of it. If you were to flip the slider around, adjust the position of it significantly in order to retain proper build up and relative spacing to 6. Kinda like how the last suggestion went, so no need to screenshot this, I think.

01:49:763 (1,2,3) - The spacing changes in this part are significant, and like the last time a transition was mentioned, this makes it less smooth, unless people don't play the slider, but there was clearly something in the song that needed to be mapped, which you did, but let's see. Try flipping 2, move it so that the spacing for 1/4 doesn't completely overwhelm the player on such a calm part, and that should work, maybe like this but in a more refined way.

02:02:480 (6,7,1) - How come 7 is very harshly positioned when compared to the next 1? Causes a dead stop and emphasis on the 1/4, and the main vocal does not really land here. The same positioning happens with 02:06:719 (1,2,3,4) - and again causes a sudden shift in motion that doesn't relate to the song that well, imo (all 5 notes within the song have around the same importance but you really only put it on 2 of them for the sake of higher spacing).

02:49:763 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - Comparing these two combos with each other (I know I cut out the 2nd combo, but this is the important stuff), we see that the first one has far higher spacing than the second, while the song doesn't appear to have much more going on in the first combo. My suggestion here is to slightly increase the second combo's spacing to come a little closer to the first in terms of snappy motion and again allows for more consistency, but since there is clearly more in the first combo than the second and this part is still very emphasised as a whole, this is just a very minor thing.

03:13:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Same as the suggestion from just before the first Kiai, but the movement does clearly increase here according to the song so it's your call on whether you want to give the 1/2 doublets some movement by themselves or keep them as they are.

Anyways, whatever I guess. Let's hope this doesn't get Disqualified again. Good luck with the map. This was just a basic mod from me, because I felt like it.
Fatfan Kolek
Captin's Extra

  1. 01:24:328 (1) - Don't you wanna extend the slider like you did here? 01:26:937 (1) - It's basically the same sound.
  2. 02:20:578 (2,1) - Wouldn't Ctrl+g on these flow better? Also, what is the purpose of the NCs 02:20:741 (1,1) -
  3. 03:11:611 (4) - missing clap
trying to help :V
Henri
01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on.
The light grey combo color blends with the background too much which makes some of the hitobjects hardly visible.
Yea these i agree but the other reasons are 100% troll xD
Nathan

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

  1. 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped. I don't even understand what you guys mean by "completely" and "more extreme," it's either overmapped or it's not. Anyone could clearly hear hi-hat sounds on these triplets so they are perfectly justified. The switch from a 1/4 to 1/2 tapping rhythm makes 00:49:763 (1,1) - MUCH more satisfying to hit, so removing them wouldn't even be an improvement.
The 1/4 track wasn't thrown in by the artist for no reason, it's intended to compliment the rest of the song. captin took advantage of this to place special emphasis on certain beats throughout the map with triplets and kick sliders. It's a very unique interpretation compared to the lower difficulties, but it's executed amazingly well.

Mapping could be considered as a form of art, which will never thrive under such an obstinate ranking system.
peppy
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS
peppy
MORE PEOPLE CHECKING YOUR MAP IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR> THEY ARE DOING IT FOR FREE> IF YOU DON"T AGREE THEN FOLLOW UP IN THE THREAD< BUT STOP FUCKIGN COMPLAINING> THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL> IF YOU DONT AGREE THEN SAY YOU DONT AGREE>

fuck a donkey
peppy
"RIP people who FC'd thing?" DONT FUCKING PLAY QUALIFIED MAPS YOU wang eater.

"Mapping ain't a happy thing?" Because you ahve this vision in your head that YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND KNOW THE BEST. How about you get down off your wang horse and learn to accept constructive criticism?
peppy
I do agree that the "overmapped" judgements are possibly over-the-top, but if you think this then follow it up in the thread. Don't fucking throw the towel. Don't fucking dismiss the whole system. Go about fixing the problem.

(for those about to suggest that i'm "raging", i wrote all the above posts while sipping a coffee and enjoying an amazingly peaceful and cool morning. the caps and language are all placed to try and get your attention. enjoy.)
Garven
Cleaned up the thread of non-mod posts except from mappers. Please focus on helping the set go back to qualified if the mappers are willing to work towards that. Thanks.
Charles445
Slow down y'all. It's more effective to look closely at issues.

So uh, gonna go through the post.

00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping.
- - - - - The buildup to the clap noise seems to have its automation set to change volume specifically on blue ticks... So it sharply increases in volume at that beat (if you have trouble hearing it, slow it down). It's a really obscure beat, though. This is a maybe.

00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
- - - - - I can hear a beat in my left ear on the 3's. Turn up the volume and pay attention to the left ear, there's definitely something there. This is a no.

01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on.
- - - - - Mapped to the synth vibration,, subtle but also supported by background drums. I think that's why he chose sliderends, haha! This is a no.

03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped.
- - - - - Tough to say here. 03:16:094 - I don't hear anything here, but, 03:16:583 - I do hear something impacting on the blue tick. It's so, so, so quiet though. This is a yes, I'm pretty sure this part would be better off as 1/2.


So basically, maybe to the first point (so subtle, hardly noticeable), and yes to the last point (it's really not noticeable at all).
So that's my analysis, please don't follow it word for word, though, instead go into the map yourself and try to figure out what's going on. The more ears the better.
Nyquill
Thank you generally helpful guy Charles445

EDIT: okay what I meant to say is follow this example
byfar

Nyquill wrote:

Thank you generally helpful guy Charles445
lets get this ranked soon and make everyone happy xd
Spaghetti

peppy wrote:

Mapping ain't a happy thing? Because you ahve this vision in your head that YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND KNOW THE BEST. How about you get down off your wang horse and learn to accept constructive criticism?
That was meant to be taken lightly, as a parody to what Gaia has written on the description of the map, nobody likes getting their map DQ'ed :P. As for the wall of text I wrote earlier, you most likely didn't read it since you deleted every post that didn't have a timing point, even though it said everything you pretty much just outlined with your 4 posts.
peppy

Spaghetti wrote:

That was meant to be taken lightly, as a parody to what Gaia has written on the description of the map, nobody likes getting their map DQ'ed :P. As for the wall of text I wrote earlier, you most likely didn't read it since you deleted every post that didn't have a timing point, even though it said everything you pretty much just outlined with your 4 posts.
i didn't and wasn't planning on deleting anything. i just addressed a few posts quickly because fucked if i'm going to reply to each individual complaint. let's stay on topic for the sake of the creator of this map, though.
Swiftrax

peppy wrote:

fuck a donkey
Where did "fuck a donkey" come from? xD
*on a more serious note..*

Even there are some parts of the map that are sorta overmapped, it won't be hard to re-rank the map again since there is so very few changes to make.
Good luck re-ranking the map guys! Would love to see it ranked for good next time. :D/
Fatfan Kolek

Charles445 wrote:

00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
- - - - - I can hear a beat in my left ear on the 3's. Turn up the volume and pay attention to the left ear, there's definitely something there. This is a no.
I can't really hear a beat on the blue ticks even with 25% speed. However a possible solution would be in my opinion a slider + circle combo instead of a tripple since there is a sound that holds on onto the blue tick. So playwise you'd hit to the 1/2 notes which are clearly hearable.
Shohei Ohtani
Hello peppy!

In the future, if you would like to made an additional point directly after your last, please avoid double posting and instead use the edit feature on the bottom righthand side of the post!

Thank you!
byfar

Reditum wrote:

Hello peppy!

In the future, if you would like to made an additional point directly after your last, please avoid double posting and instead use the edit feature on the bottom righthand side of the post!

Thank you!

more importantly..

peppy wrote:

THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL>
yeah, its official
KeylaPls
<3
Mercurial

captin1 wrote:

I swear to god if the general public starts throwing another fit in the thread without contributing meaningfully I will bring in someone much less lenient in moderation to clean up.

It's disappointing how selective and directly targeted the dq's are on this map. The amount of close-minded stubbornness and double standards going on here is completely ridiculous, and only serves to continue undermining what little credibility the QAT has left, and clearly shows how much of blind puppets to Loctav they truly are. It's sickening that this is the officially sanctioned system that we are running now. I hope for the future of this game (if it has any) that we will not remain in this system for much longer.
Nice alumni you had there.

Time to rank this again, I think.
VINXIS

peppy wrote:

THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL>

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

The issues mentioned by Loctav and listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly again. Like stated previously, everything is mandatory to be fixed.
p/4217799
p/4450747



so does this mean we can hacve this map ranked now or what
Mercurial

Mishima Yurara wrote:

so does this mean we can hacve this map ranked now or what
As long as this QAT system exists, no fucking chance.
VINXIS
excus me but peppy just said the qat words arent final so lets get this back to ranking if theres nothing stopping it anymore? QATs havent responded so that means the mapper's side is in favor right now so
Mercurial
I'm just throwing my 2 cents.

The QAT system is getting worse and worse everyday, so I wouldn't be surprised if some (if not most) of them get the boot.

As the map goes, I did a quick re-search and it doesn't seem to have any failures at all.
Nyxa

peppy wrote:

Mapping ain't a happy thing? Because you ahve this vision in your head that YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND KNOW THE BEST. How about you get down off your wang horse and learn to accept constructive criticism?
Uh not to intervene or anything but "wang horse" isn't exactly constructive, just saying.
Also QAT posts ARE final because the map will just keep getting DQ'd if you don't fix what they tell you to fix.

Lastly, I don't think raging in the thread actually helps the map improve so I'm kinda confused as to why that happened. People tend to get really salty when there's any DQ drama and it's generally the mapper and a few people vs. the QAT and a few people and I don't really understand why nobody learns from this. I think osu staff should really work on taking criticism since it goes both ways, especially the QAT have to be very careful about their reasons for DQ and their requirements for reQ or you're just making the mapper's life miserably hard. peppy said that QATs are checking your map for free but for the record @peppy mappers are also making the map for free, and if there are no maps made then there are no maps to check and if our mappers ever give up on mapping we end up with a wastelanded game where nothing new ever happens.

I don't think the rage at the mappers is necessary nor do I think any of this situation was necessary, and none of it would've happened if both mappers and osu staff were more open to criticism. But I really, really don't think raging ever helps. If peppy was a normal user his posts would've been removed by Garven for sure. I don't think that's okay but that's just my opinion, and many people have the feeling that their opinions are ignored in favor of other opinions. Just saying, I don't think either side is right but the side with more power could definitely show some more humility and patience. The staff sets the example, if all they do is argue then all the community will do is argue back. If they show patience and try their best to be objective and respectful then eventually the community will start respecting them more back. It's a two-way thing, and I don't think a staff can force their community to respect them, at least not in a game community where everyone is free to leave whenever they want.

Sorry for the walls but I'm kinda tired of hearing "oh look at this map DQ drama" "look at this peppy rage post" "oh look what happened here" "lol drama on a HW map". It's the same thing every time and it keeps happening because people don't listen to each other from any side. We also need to make it more clear how "final" the QAT posts are because it's already been pointed out that there seems to be a miscommunication there. I honestly don't have faith in this system anymore considering the drama DQs and what I see actually making it to ranked (which isn't exactly high quality while lots of good stuff doesn't make it for arbitrary reasons). Clearly it doesn't work but I don't expect any replacements anytime soon.

Anyway good luck getting this ranked and sorry if I offended anyone, no intention to do that here. Just posting some thoughts.
pregnant_man
on a serious note i'd look into this map and if you need it try to give some suggestions
ac8129464363
tbh I think the main problem here is how difficult communication between the QAT and everyone else is. Communication goes both ways and imo for the system to work it should.
Garven
Not cleaning again because it's annoying, but last warning: Keep your posts to helping the mapset out. Thanks.
Sing

byfar wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Thank you generally helpful guy Charles445
lets get this ranked soon and make everyone happy xd
i agreen xd
Bearizm
Please stop blaming QATs.. They're just doing whatever they can to make the set better! and they never said that everything they pointed out includes ALL of the issues in the mapset anyways. They're not final, they even mentioned it, indirectly.

"Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings."

I bolded them in case people can't read

captin's Extra
00:35:986 (4) - agreed with the QATs, this shouldn't be here as nothing is supporting this circle being there.

00:43:812 (4) - ^

00:46:583 (6) - ^

00:50:007 (3,3) - ^

01:14:871 (3) - this isn't exactly the most comfortable thing to play out I feel like, so maybe highlight 01:14:871 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - and move them to x36y184 to make 01:14:545 (2,3) - flow better. Maybe move 01:15:850 (1) - to x304y16 after that

03:13:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this is literally the hardest part of the song and yet, this isn't even the closing, please nerf it down. you'd agree with me if I say that the part here 04:05:415 (1) - should be a lot harder than that build up right? because right now, the last bit of the song is much easier than that and I believe that it's wrong to have that. and um... 03:13:567 (3) - this jump is the second furthest one in your map. (just sayin)

Good luck for re-qualifications!

EDIT: Forgot to mention 03:54:817 (1) - remove NC pls
Arphimigon

Garven wrote:

Keep your posts to helping the mapset out. Thanks.
[Mey Easy]
00:09:328 (2) - I think this sliders end would benefit from going a little less left due to the original curve, even by a little bit

[Normal]
Nice stuff, but its reallll dense lol (id incerase AR but 5 is risky for a normal so w/e)
00:10:632 (1,2) - Nazing here but move slider 2 up 1 pixel *runs*

[pk's hard as rock]
00:14:219 (2) - Kinda weirdly placed. You probaly have your reasons so I'd suggest adding a few more for the sake of consistency like around 00:17:806 -
01:01:827 (2) - Cant you NC these to signify the change to vocal and different rhythm?
01:46:339 (2) - Kinda weirdly placed here with the last 1/2 spam and all should this be slider+note or note+slider

[Extra]
Not asymettrical enough
00:34:763 (5,6,7,8) - Why zig zag motion it fit so cool when it was a curve like at 00:32:154 (5,6,7,8) -
00:49:111 (5,6,7) - Direction of 6 could be compromised to point between 5 and 7, would look (and play by a small degree) better
00:52:045 (4) - Why do i read this as 3/4... it may aswell be 3/4
asdf

sry Kibboo i hav no tim but I might come back to do ur diff

[captin's over-DQed diff]
Ye the rhythmical inconsistency isnt like all too bad like wh is all the hype on
Although i can say thats a lot of triplets... and they are sometimes hard to tell when they would be played as they are (consistently) inconsistent, but since its through the whole diff it becomes a theme of the map and is cool
00:19:763 (1) - Are you just making that end assymetrical for the sake of the title... it looks prettty bad and would be better pointing left-wards
01:02:643 (1) - Remove NC for slider NC consistency here? (or is it a NC per jump, if so thats fine)
01:10:632 (1,2,3,4) - Because youd probably use leniency abuse on that first slider I'd say 4 plays nice being lower
01:27:589 (1,2) - Fits nicer with all notes imo
01:28:567 (5) - I'd NC this or not NC but make it the same spacing as the stream, either one fits nicer
01:49:029 - I'd so add a sound here, perhaps make 01:48:947 (4) - into a 1/4 slider too
02:23:350 (6,7,8,1) - Likewise triplet then 1/4 space would be more fitting here, or not, but definately something at 02:23:431 -
03:36:719 (1) - That end is pretty ugli imo
03:45:361 (5,6,7,8,1) - That stacked note is a bit sudden as its the only one placed as so really, i would kinda make it more spottable

Sorry for bias i wanted to hurry to captin since thats what the fuss has been about
gl with reranking!
captin1
Really appreciate the support that has poured in for this map, even in the posts that have been removed. And big thanks to peppy and Charles for clearing a lot of things up, and thanks to all the modders who have stepped in with their opinions. I'll be doing my best to reply during the day tomorrow, as I'm starting up school this week and I'm losing a lot of my time again.
Rakuen
Can't just watch anymore

Legend
Default = Normal mods
Blue = Strongly recommended
Red = Unrankable issue
Pink = Will be discussed if not changed

Combo Colors

  • Could use pink and/or yellow-ish green, seems the DQs don't like dark colors (me too)

KIAI

  • Why not KIAI in Normal and Extras XD!

    KIAI is meant for chorus parts iinw, I don't get why some don't like it, flashing shouldn't be an excuse ^_^

Meyrink's Easy

  • Not really a mod here, but if it's me, I'd make it looks Easy, less weird shapes

Normal

  1. 03:18:458 (1) - This one's fairly hard to slide, even the shape (this part) from Hard is way easier to read. Please consider to make the shape simple
  2. 03:56:121 (3,4) - Not a straight line I guess? Move (3) little bit up

pk's Hard

  1. 01:28:567 (4) - Don't shrink it, can't see it clearly
    ^ Could be replaced with trips, or slightly faster SV slider
  2. 02:38:676 (3,1) - Looks continuous, like 02:41:611 (4,1) - has way more space :3
    ^ Why not make it like 02:44:219 (3,1) -
  3. 03:07:697 - Map thy vocal
  4. 04:05:415 (1) - Stacking on 04:05:089 (6) - would be easier to read for me (on testplay)

Kibboo's Insane

  1. 00:19:763 (1) - The other parts are quite neat :3
  2. 03:16:176 (2,3,4,5) - Prefer 1,2 + 1,2 x)
  3. 03:27:589 (1) - What's this @_@" (feels like you're trying to create an epic shape but...)

PAN's Extra

  • Don't like how Insane has 4.1 CS, and Extra has 3.5??? :\
    If circles are big, they are close to each other
  1. 02:51:067 (6) - Missing NC?
  2. 04:01:013 (5,6,7,1) - Weird flow here, (1) is opposite direction from (5) - (7)

Woop, just leaving some words for captin's Extra here (legends are not related in here)

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

captin's Extra

Lack of concept regarding rhythms

  • The issues mentioned by Loctav and listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly again. Like stated previously, everything is mandatory to be fixed.
  1. 00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping. Kinda agree with this
  2. 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these. No, there's definitely trip drum marks there, maybe because the quality is lowered that we can barely hear it, and I think this pattern is much acceptable
  3. 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on. There's 1/4 here 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2) - on one of the instrument (sort of like organ), meanwhile this part could be a lead in part stream (rhythm)
  4. 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped. I'd use 3 circles if it's me, no opinion for this, but it's okay-ish for an Extra
Call me back if you need!

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

everything is mandatory to be fixed.

peppy wrote:

THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL> IF YOU DONT AGREE THEN SAY YOU DONT AGREE>
I'm confused on this one, can I get an explain please?
pw384
Throwing my cents here. Maybe I need to stand out, share my voice and help with the situation.


To QATs
Subjective things are acceptable to oneself but not always good to others, espacially when you are in power.

Have you ever discussed before disqualify a map?

Ranking Criteria have lost their power bcz of such irresponsible disqualification. Where's the standards? How do you judge whether a map should be dq'd or not? Laws should never be invisible. We mappers could never have idea about whether a map is safe or not, thus making mapping an unhappy thing. It's unfair to us.

I wonder how QATs check maps. Different QATs have different standards. This is unfair to the mapping community. Things like extended sliders are controversial and I believe that some QATs like them while some don't like, and thus singletapping is always safe while extended sliders, triplets, huge jumps, hi-speed sliders, high speed streams etc are likely to be disqualified Whenever I download a new map I can only see singletappings throughout the whole mapset. I am sick of the mapping with no personnal style.

And what's more, how can you be qualified to become a QAT? No common people vote for this. No common people see the process of this. It is quite unfair.


00:49:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - The triplets used here are really great because:
1. It avoids boring rhythm. No one hopes to see 1/2 singletappings thoughtout the whole map.
2. It makes this part more playable.
3. It allows the player's mouse/pen to stop for a while, which could strengthen the rhythm, give a better flow, smoothen the spacing change from 1.66x to 2.54x and so on.
4. It is the symbol of the fade-in of the chorus.
5. We are never limited by the song. Making a beatmap fun is what we mappers do. Why should we be forced to follow the boring rhythm here even if we are mapping "Extra"?

01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - The short sliders used here are reasonable because:
1. Such 1/4 sliders are used commonly since 2013. Why did only this map get dq'd bcz of this?
2. These 1/4 sliders indicates the second half of the chorus. It adds to the playability otherwise it would be quite boring.

Modding:
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The following things are all subjective things. Feel free to reject any of them.

[Captin1's Extra]

Though I am not a fan of extended sliders, I have to admit that the use of extended sliders are quite reasonable and they plays well. I think I need to learn something from the map.

* 00:51:393 (2) - I prefer to divide it into a 1/2 slider and a circle with 1/4 interval. I believe it sounds quite well and if you put the circle on the next slider, this pattern will be more fun.

* 01:18:458 - I think it's better to add a note here. If the note is added, it will follow the instrumental line and indicate the end of the chorus; otherwise, 01:18:132 (1) - this slider tends to follow the vocal line, which I don't quite agree cuz vocal ends at here 01:19:600 - .

* 01:27:589 (1,2) - changing into 4 circles feels would be better from my point of view. 4 notes here shares the same status and sliders does not fit in my opinion.

* 02:10:632 (1) - The curve of the slider is somehow too extreme imo bcz it doesn't fit the overall style of this map. You can make the central angle smaller.

* 02:20:415 (1,2,1,1) - I don't like the flow here but since you like it, I appreciate it.

* 03:18:458 - What about adding a kiai fountain here?

* 04:10:306 (1,2) - YES THIS JUMP IS REALLY AWESOME PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY DON'T NERF IT PLZ

pro diff and plz keep on working!
Bearizm

384059043 wrote:

Throwing my cents here. Maybe I need to stand out, share my voice and help with the situation.


To QATs
Subjective things are acceptable to oneself but not always good to others, espacially when you are in power.

Have you ever discussed before disqualify a map?

Ranking Criteria have lost their power bcz of such irresponsible disqualification. Where's the standards? How do you judge whether a map should be dq'd or not? Laws should never be invisible. We mappers could never have idea about whether a map is safe or not, thus making mapping an unhappy thing. It's unfair to us.

I wonder how QATs check maps. Different QATs have different standards. This is unfair to the mapping community. Things like extended sliders are controversial and I believe that some QATs like them while some don't like, and thus singletapping is always safe while extended sliders, triplets, huge jumps, hi-speed sliders, high speed streams etc are likely to be disqualified Whenever I download a new map I can only see singletappings throughout the whole mapset. I am sick of the mapping with no personnal style.

And what's more, how can you be qualified to become a QAT? No common people vote for this. No common people see the process of this. It is quite unfair.


00:49:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - The triplets used here are really great because:
1. It avoids boring rhythm. No one hopes to see 1/2 singletappings thoughtout the whole map.
2. It makes this part more playable.
3. It allows the player's mouse/pen to stop for a while, which could strengthen the rhythm, give a better flow, smoothen the spacing change from 1.66x to 2.54x and so on.
4. It is the symbol of the fade-in of the chorus.
5. We are never limited by the song. Making a beatmap fun is what we mappers do. Why should we be forced to follow the boring rhythm here even if we are mapping "Extra"?

01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - The short sliders used here are reasonable because:
1. Such 1/4 sliders are used commonly since 2013. Why did only this map get dq'd bcz of this?
2. These 1/4 sliders indicates the second half of the chorus. It adds to the playability otherwise it would be quite boring.
this is the funniest thing I've ever read. you complain about subjectivity in their criticism and yet, you're throwing out an adjective that contradicts your point. Brilliant mate literally 10/10 comedic genius. You don't simply make a map "fun" by overmapping. That would be unappreciative towards the song itself because you're basically ADDING things in, and that has never been the intention of extras, or any other difficulties in this game.
pw384

Bearizm wrote:

this is the funniest thing I've ever read. you complain about subjectivity in their criticism and yet, you're bringing out adjectives that contradicts your point. Brilliant mate literally 10/10 comedic genius. You don't simply make a map "fun" by overmapping. That would be unappreciative towards the song itself because you're basically ADDING things in, and that has never been the intention of extras, or any other difficulties in this game.
You probably misunderstand me. Blame my bad English. I just mean that QATs should dq maps following a visible ranking criteria, not subjective reasons cuz the 1/4 sliders are not banned, according to Ranking Criteria (and the definition of overmapping in it). But now that, subjective reason is allowed and that's why I think it's unreasonable.

btw, here are examples of additional tracks which gives map more fun:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13019
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/42092
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/16457
-Mo-
Just wanted to state opinions and lend what help I can.

00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping.
Same kinda thing as what Charles said. I'd imagine this is here to add emphasis to the clap sound on 5 (where there's an increase in volume from 3). It works without this note, it works with this note. If it were up to me, I'd keep it.

00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
Kind of a tougher call to make. I can't say I can hear something absolutely clearly on the 3s. If anything it sounds more like the synths end on this note. I wouldn't say that means this mapping is unjustified however, since there is a beat on 00:49:926 (2,2). If I had to pick out something to change, it would be to use sliders on 00:49:763 (1,1), but that's only an opinion.

01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on.
I'd say there are definitely beats on the blue ticks. They're fairly subtle, but slider ends work perfectly fine for them.

03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped.
It is similar to before where there are synth notes on 03:16:013 (2,2) and then they silence on 03:16:094 (3,3). The difference this time is that there are less instruments to back this section of the music up. I do agree that this is probably better to go with 1/2 beats here. I personally think it would be quite nice to continue the jump pattern using triangles with these.

As for similar rhythms, this is what I found:
01:54:246 (3) - The drum beat on 01:54:328 (4) isn't the same as is was previously in 00:35:986 (4). There is still the synth note carrying over from 01:54:165 (2), but I think this beat is less supported than before. Same as before: works with or without, but in my opinion, this time I'm leaning towards without.

02:19:763 (1) -; 03:27:589 (1) -; 03:53:839 (2) - For kick sliders, but these feel exactly the same as they were the first time, and I believe these are just fine. Just pointing them out just in case you do decide to change though.

Best of luck.
Bearizm

384059043 wrote:

You probably misunderstand me. Blame my bad English. I just mean that QATs should dq maps following a visible ranking criteria, not subjective reasons cuz the 1/4 sliders are not banned, according to Ranking Criteria (and the definition of overmapping in it)

btw, here are examples of additional tracks which gives map more fun:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13019
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/42092
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/16457
What you've listed are maps that were ranked from 2010-2012.. that's almost 3 full years ago. Standards change, and I hope you realize that.

Also

Tell me how 00:35:986 (4) - isn't overmapping? The QATs pointed this out. As well as these 00:50:007 (3) - 00:50:496 (3) - 03:16:094 (3) - 03:16:583 (3) - ?

For the kick sliders, yes they do play like 1/2s but there's always a chance that people can combo break because they're sliders, compared to those being circles. there aren't any 1/4 rhythm to back in up the in the first place, not even background noises that goes at a constant 1/4 rhythm. Their points DO make sense, and aren't subjective at all.
ithgyu
I don't really agree with that definition of overmapping bear, as long as the note compliments the song then I don't believe you can consider it overmapped, this is because the downside with having something that is actually overmapped is that it will feel off and makes a reasonable person think "wtf is that note doing there." I don't think someone should be 'punished' for contributing to the feel of the song, and that's exactly what i feel a lot of those kicksliders do.
Avishay
@Bearizm

Just like how 384059043's maps are old and outdated, the same goes for the definition of overmapping you posted.

I agree with Jelli, as long the way the notes are presented (hitsound, positioning) compliments the song it is fine, as for an example:

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/638019

Look at the doubles 00:55:437 (3,4) -, 01:00:626 (4,5) - etc. They are not mapped according to the song, at first the map was DQ due to that, afterwards Skystar replied with:

Skystar wrote:

Rhythm will never be "wrong" as long as the mapper chooses to use it proposely (unlike Cloud's case in his diff). It's all about "fit or not" when it comes to non-unrankable stuff like this. Personally, I like them. And find them fitting and fun to play. Otherwise I wouldn't have kept them at the first place. Identify with it or not, all depends on whether we have a similar sense or not.
and then the map got qualified and ranked, which leaves some reasons as for why the map was ranked even though the overmapping the QAT noted wasn't fixed:
1. QAT are biased towards Skystar, because well he/she is Skystar.
2. The QAT forgot about the map, it got ranked and they didn't want to embarass themselves.
3. They accepted the reasoning for the "overmap"

Now, which of the reasons it the actual reason the map got ranked? You tell me.

In both cases, here and there, in my opinion at the very least, the overmapped parts play just fine with unique toning.
Bearizm

Avishay wrote:

@Bearizm

Just like how 384059043's maps are old and outdated, the same goes for the definition of overmapping you posted.

I agree with Jelli, as long the way the notes are presented (hitsound, positioning) compliments the song it is fine, as for an example:

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/638019

Look at the doubles 00:55:437 (3,4) -, 01:00:626 (4,5) - etc. They are not mapped according to the song, at first the map was DQ due to that, afterwards Skystar replied with:

Skystar wrote:

Rhythm will never be "wrong" as long as the mapper chooses to use it proposely (unlike Cloud's case in his diff). It's all about "fit or not" when it comes to non-unrankable stuff like this. Personally, I like them. And find them fitting and fun to play. Otherwise I wouldn't have kept them at the first place. Identify with it or not, all depends on whether we have a similar sense or not.
and then the map got qualified and ranked, which leaves some reasons as for why the map was ranked even though the overmapping the QAT noted wasn't fixed:
1. QAT are biased towards Skystar, because well he/she is Skystar.
2. The QAT forgot about the map, it got ranked and they didn't want to embarass themselves.
3. They accepted the reasoning for the "overmap"

Now, which of the reasons it the actual reason the map got ranked? You tell me.

In both cases, here and there, in my opinion at the very least, the overmapped parts play just fine with unique toning.
This was about subjectivity though, and what the QATs pointed out weren't subjective at all. They were correct that in those spots they mentioned, there clearly aren't any triples, just 1/2. How are those subjective?

and as for your skystar map, I couldn't answer that either because there are skystar maps that I dislike such as his GD in licca, that contains overmapping, yet it passed through the qualification process (but lets not talk about other maps as they are irrelevant). Also, whether if the mapper chooses it purposely or not, it would still considered as overmapping due to the fact that it has absolutely nothing to back up that note and it doesn't/shouldn't matter whether if it makes sense to you or not that it should have a triple there here and there, as long as the song doesn't support that note, it's overmapping! I'm not saying that all kinds of overmapping is bad, I honestly believe this mapset's fine the way it is, but I was just trying to say that people have been shitting on QATs since forever and they deserve better for what they're trying to do! If people are so worked up over the ranking system then stop ranking them! No one's forcing you all to rank anything. simply saying "aww my favorite map can't get ranked so i'll blame the QATs for DQing it because they believe it could still have several improvements" is silly! Just leave it to the mapper whether if they agree to it or not, no need to bash QATs. Thankfully, Gaia still want to rank it, so that's great!

a bit off topic but, that's kind of what I'm trying to say this whole time. [last post here, arphi's right]
P A N

Rakuen wrote:

Can't just watch anymore

Legend
Default = Normal mods
Blue = Strongly recommended
Red = Unrankable issue
Pink = Will be discussed if not changed

PAN's Extra

  • Don't like how Insane has 4.1 CS, and Extra has 3.5??? :\ the jumps are really bigger than insane so this big size circle will help mid-level player to hit them easier.
    If circles are big, they are close to each other it's fine, I already checked that they don't touch each other (except I made some mistake)
  1. 02:51:067 (6) - Missing NC? nice catch
  2. 04:01:013 (5,6,7,1) - Weird flow here, (1) is opposite direction from (5) - (7) tbh, it's not. mhm even it's weird but it's still ok to play.

since this is quiet little change so I will let gaia to add those NC instead of I post my whole diff here. thanks for mod :D

btw to captin1, why NC on 01:02:643 (1) because imo, it's same as 01:02:154 (1,2)
Nathan

Bearizm wrote:

Tell me how 00:35:986 (4) - isn't overmapping? The QATs pointed this out. As well as these 00:50:007 (3) - 00:50:496 (3) - 03:16:094 (3) - 03:16:583 (3) - ?

For the kick sliders, yes they do play like 1/2s but there's always a chance that people can combo break because they're sliders, compared to those being circles. there aren't any 1/4 rhythm to back in up the in the first place, not even background noises that goes at a constant 1/4 rhythm. Their points DO make sense, and aren't subjective at all.
00:35:986 (4) - This one is actually a bit difficult to tell, there isn't an actual "hit" on the blue tick, but the build up to the clap has a significant increase in pitch here, it accents the clap well so I'd keep it
00:50:007 (3) - I can ABSOLUTELY hear something in my left ear on this one, and like I stated earlier, the switch from a 1/4 to 1/2 tapping rhythm puts much more emphasis onto 00:49:763 (1,1), which those beats are deserving of
00:50:496 (3) - ^
03:16:094 (3) - ^
03:16:583 (3) - ^

As for the kick sliders, there is a constant 1/4 track throughout the entire chorus so technically none of the tails are overmapped either lol... with the 1/2 synth sounds it makes sense to use them, sliders are supposed to emphasize held sounds
off-topic, but honestly good luck to everyone trying to get captin to change them, I can guarantee he will never do it because this is one of the defining patterns of the difficulty

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ok ill throw a few things

  1. 01:28:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - this actually feels anti-climactic to me, there is a massive speed up on 5 and 6 which makes sense, but the near-linear movement going into 01:28:893 (1) - really doesn't fit imo, I'd expect more of a flow break here, also consider doing a NC on the 1/4 sliders
  2. 03:50:578 (4,5,6) - this feels unnatural for me, considering the context of the diff where all the flow breaks/turns are sharp angled, whereas the movements here are wide angled iirc this is where azer got his 1x miss lolol try this
  3. 03:57:915 (2,3,4) - same thing here, there isn't really anything wrong with it but it just stands out with the wide angles, try something like this? you'll have a bit of emphasis for the synth sound on 4
  4. 02:24:165 (3) - would've expected a flow break here too, in all other choruses you made some type of sharp turn for vocals like these, the current movement just feels too straightforward and flat, ctrl+g the slider and bring it a bit closer to 02:24:002 (2) - maybe
MirinH
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Irreversible
Bubble popped until things cleared up, don't push this mapset further until a reply has been written.
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