1. Marathon (5.19 stars, 2117 notes)

Josde wrote:

Oh, boy.
short shitmod, no kd
[Tags]
Add "Fujijo Seitokai Shikkou-bu", "Tsunamaru" and "Primastella". They're the artists.
You should probably also add "love lab" since that's where best friends is from, and "ルーセントハート" since that's, as far as I know, the source for Koigokoro.

[General]
OD8 seems a bit overkill for the difficulty the map has atm, maybe lower it a bit to 7.5?

You should set a preview point. Here are my recommendations:
01:27:671 (1) - Start of the chorus of Koigokoro
03:46:127 (1) - Start of the chorus of Daidai Genome
07:21:658 - Start of the chorus of Best FriendS, or 07:20:002 - if you wanna leave a bit of the buildup.

30201102 wrote:

The first timing section is a bit early. I would increase the offset to 265.

StarrStyx wrote:

I wonder why Koigokoro is placed first - I mean, daidai's bpm is lower and maybe it's better to organise songs in order of bpm?

[Taiga] wrote:

Hi cheezstick,

Beatmap feels great, wish it gets ranked and i will to help with making it looks "like a bawz".
First mod (and probably not last one), after playing this nomod and hidden, here are some suggestions.

Metadata

I would add into tags: orange genome, 恋愛ラブラボ Done

Marathon

01:27:050 (6) - rotating slider to start closer from (5) and ends into (1) makes easier flow Done
04:31:571 (2) - in my opinion unnecessary circle Listen to track, that circle represents the high hat and suits imo.

05:54:127 (1,2,3,4) - confusing
05:55:016 (1,2,3,4) - ^
05:55:905 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^ I agree, I have trouble sightreading this, and have seen people screw up this spot in testplays. Section remapped.
05:57:238 (1,2) - imo too high spacing betwin each other Same DS multi as rest of jumps
06:01:238 (5,1,1,1) - making slightly bigger spacing betwin sliders makes it easier to hit, kinda unexpected pattern (explained ingame) I think this is fine and easily readable, and have seen others hit this with ease, and it also looks fine imo. Will keep it for now.
06:03:016 (1,2,1,2) - connecting from last slider made for me better follow up (explained ingame)^
09:15:939 (6,7,8,9,10,11) - in my opinion debatable stream, as user of 100% hitsounds and 50% music volume it was catchy to find rhythm for it and it confused me a bit, on standard skin it was easier tho Stream is definitely there and follows the drum line 100% no overmapping, will keep.

That's for now, will give it way more plays when i get time.
Cheers!

maxandcheese wrote:

Marathon
00:51:693 (1) - Rotate slider -50 (selection center); make slider look better Done (Well, I made it face another way, didn't rotate it, looks better anyway)

00:58:550 (1) - Make slider look better Done
03:13:238 (2) - ^ Done
03:14:127 (1,1,1,2,3,4,5) - Make a continuous combo
03:19:905 (1) - Remove new combo Didn't make any combo changes across whole map, it suits like this. Will wait for more experienced modder / mapper's opinion
03:19:905 (1) - Make new combo
03:29:238 (1) - Remove new combo
04:10:794 (4) - Make new combo
05:22:127 (1) - Make slider look better Done
05:35:683 (4,5,1) - Make it it's own combo
05:36:127 (2,3,4) - ^
05:43:016 (1,2,1) - ^
05:43:683 (2,3,1) - ^
05:44:127 (2,3,1) - ^
07:04:527 (1) - Make slider look better Done
07:06:920 (3) - ^
07:34:896 (1) - ^
07:39:313 (1) - ^ (Make the red point more centered) Just moved it to center and made it non-linear point (That's what I did with the previous sliders you mentioned as well)
08:39:681 (5) - Make new combo
08:46:307 (1,2,3,4,5) - imo space the stream a bit more It suits like this more. I might make it curve a bit more, but spacing will stay at 0.5.
09:56:245 (4) - I think it would look better as two stacked doubles As a slider it definitely plays and reads better, will keep it like this.
10:08:945 (1,2) - Remove this bit Done

maxandcheese wrote:

Kiai Time Suggestions
00:44:836 (1) - 01:12:265 (1)
01:27:693 (1) - 01:55:122 (1)
02:22:550 (1) - 02:36:265 (1)
05:22:127 (1) - 05:50:794 (4)
07:23:116 (3) - 07:49:619 (1)
08:47:043 (1) - 09:13:546 (1)
10:16:859 (1) - 10:43:362 (1)

maxandcheese wrote:

My first mod. Don't know if I'm doing this right... but this map is just so good not to mod.

1. 03:26:349 (3,1) - Jump angle too small to suit flow?
2. 03:31:016 (3) - ^
3. 03:35:460 (1,2,3,4) - Too much spacing on this stream?
4. 03:53:016 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Maybe it would look better overall if second triple was facing the opposite of the first and third.
5. 04:31:460 (1,2,3) - Stack this triple for easier reading imo.
6. 04:55:016 (2,3,4,5,1) - Too much stream spacing again?
7. 04:56:794 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^
8. 06:01:238 (5,1,1,1) - I know you said hitsound pending, but just incase, mute slider ends obviously

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

[Marathon]

1. 03:26:349 (3,1) - Jump angle too small to suit flow?
2. 03:31:016 (3) - ^
3. 03:35:460 (1,2,3,4) - Too much spacing on this stream?
4. 03:53:016 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Maybe it would look better overall if second triple was facing the opposite of the first and third.
5. 04:31:460 (1,2,3) - Stack this triple for easier reading imo.
6. 04:55:016 (2,3,4,5,1) - Too much stream spacing again?
7. 04:56:794 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^
8. 06:01:238 (5,1,1,1) - I know you said hitsound pending, but just incase, mute slider ends obviously

1. 00:23:193 (2,3,4,5,6) - Consider increasing the angle on these jumps, snapping in a straight line can be a nuiscance.
2. 00:42:265 (3) - Majority of this section uses curved sliders. IMO, this slider should continue this trend to maintain consistency.
3. 00:58:122 (2) - Move this note up to help flow better, lots of sharp-ish turns in this section and this smooth turn plays weird.
4. 01:10:336 (6) - Move this note to the left, very close to note 4 and looks oddly spaced, merely aesthetic.
5. 01:10:979 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Increase of spacing caught me off guard, consider lowering the jump spacing on this combo or increasing the spacing on the previous combo to flow better.
6. 02:30:265 (4,5) - Angle of snaps is quite small on these notes, consider making these more snappy to improve gameplay.

1. 03:11:460 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This back and forth pattern doesnt play very well, triangles would be a better fit for this section but I'll leave that to your disgression.
2. 05:41:683 - ^
3. 04:31:460 (1,2,3) - This short burst doesn't fit with the rest of the map, consider removing note 2 and moving note 1 to a space that suits.
4. 06:06:683 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Very awkward pattern to play, the repetetive movements are hard to replicate so many times in a row.

1. 07:43:730 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Very big increase in difficulty, especially coming off Daidai Genome. It's fine on the later 2 Kiai
2. sections but consider lowering the difficulty of this section and building up to the later 2 sections.
3. 07:56:797 (2) - Change to a single note or spinner, the slider end plays no part in the song and seems weird.
4. 09:10:601 (4,5,6,7,8) - Difficulty is fine, but these notes are slightly awkward to play, after playing about with it something along the lines of...
   
   4: x264 y136
   5: x344 y328
   6: x128 y280
   7: x424 y192
   8: x304 y32
   
   
   ...plays a lot better.

Wookiezi wrote:

[Koigokoro]

1. 00:23:193 (2,3,4,5,6) - Consider increasing the angle on these jumps, snapping in a straight line can be a nuiscance. I think these are fine. Haven't had or seen anyone have trouble in testplays, and they don't look aesthetically unappealing.
2. 00:42:265 (3) - Majority of this section uses curved sliders. IMO, this slider should continue this trend to maintain consistency. Done
3. 00:58:122 (2) - Move this note up to help flow better, lots of sharp-ish turns in this section and this smooth turn plays weird. Done
4. 01:10:336 (6) - Move this note to the left, very close to note 4 and looks oddly spaced, merely aesthetic. I agree looking back at this, revised whole pattern in general, horizontally lined 3 and 4 up, and made 5 and 6 more aesthetic.
5. 01:10:979 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Increase of spacing caught me off guard, consider lowering the jump spacing on this combo or increasing the spacing on the previous combo to flow better. Reduced spacing between 2,3,4 and made into more traditional triangle. Made NC at 5 to suit triangle.
6. 02:30:265 (4,5) - Angle of snaps is quite small on these notes, consider making these more snappy to improve gameplay. Done

[Daidai Genome]

1. 03:11:460 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This back and forth pattern doesnt play very well, triangles would be a better fit for this section but I'll leave that to your disgression.
2. 05:41:683 - ^ Both play fine imo and in testplays I've seen, I think the 1,2 1,2 musically suits the notes of the piano more than triangles, will leave like this for now.
3. 04:31:460 (1,2,3) - This short burst doesn't fit with the rest of the map, consider removing note 2 and moving note 1 to a space that suits. Done, also revised NC points to be more suitable.
4. 06:06:683 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Very awkward pattern to play, the repetetive movements are hard to replicate so many times in a row. Section changed.

[Best friendS]

1. 07:43:730 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Very big increase in difficulty, especially coming off Daidai Genome. It's fine on the later 2 Kiai
2. sections but consider lowering the difficulty of this section and building up to the later 2 sections. I think it's fine, will wait for another opinion.
3. 07:56:797 (2) - Change to a single note or spinner, the slider end plays no part in the song and seems weird. Yeah I also thought this, thought muting slider end would fix, but I guess not. Changed to a single note and made slider more aesthetic to make up for lack of other slider.
4. 09:10:601 (4,5,6,7,8) - Difficulty is fine, but these notes are slightly awkward to play, after playing about with it something along the lines of...
   
   4: x264 y136
   5: x344 y328
   6: x128 y280
   7: x424 y192
   8: x304 y32
   
   
   ...plays a lot better.

Slightly improved position of 4,5,6 and 7, but didn't follow your coordinates.

Synpoo wrote:

[Koigokoro]

00:24:693 (1) - remove nc
01:27:050 (6) - this feels better as two circles instead of a slider, similar to 00:44:193 (6,7)
01:48:265 (1) - whistle
01:57:907 (6) - NC
consider a spinner from 02:51:693 to 02:53:622
All applied^

[pp Genome]
03:14:127 (1,1) - remove nc on these Done
04:07:460 (3,1) - slider plays nicer It's fine how it is, would ruin all the patterns setting each other up in that section and Lust's map has circles in this section as well so it's probably better like this
04:31:460 (3,4) - start the slider on 3 Done
05:12:571 and 05:12:794 feels empty, consider two notes here similar to the last measure This section of the map emphasizes the piano, not the drums (Hence the hitsounds), I think it's better like this. However, I changed 8 into 2 circles as opposed to a slider.
05:14:349 (2) - move left a bit so it isn't touching the slider, doesn't look too pretty
05:23:016 (3,5) - ^ but to the right Both applied.

[Best FriendS]
06:50:724 (1) - lel im not fond of how this looks but w/e Made it a more standard looking slider
07:16:491 (1) - remove clap Was about to say No Dap had the clap here, but I changed this section in hitsounding to follow the drum line more compared to his map, so I decided to apply this.
07:38:577 (3,5) - this was kinda hard to read but its probably just cuz i suck Ye u just suk xd lmao, even that noob rafis says it's easy to read: http://puu.sh/jfWfz/bf7f89c460.jpg
Nah I changed it, did look kinda odd looking back at it.
07:39:865 (3,1) - consider blanketing this buuut probably not The fuck kind of indecisive modding is this lmao. It's like half blanketed, not hard to read or aesthetically displeasing so I'll leave this as it is.
08:11:705 (1) - perhaps something like this would look better That does indeed look better, did my best to emulate it.
08:44:650 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6) - this plays very awkwardly, consider remapping it similarly to the buildup to the previous chorus I don't think so, but did it anyway to improve it.
08:50:724 (3,1) - slider should start in 3's place Done, did some pretty sik blanket magic here to remap it if i say so myself
08:52:012 (3,4) - a slider from red to red matches the vocals and plays nicely Don't wanna start the 1/1 sliders til the one after this.
09:41:521 (1) - slightly nazi but this ccould be moved upward to prevent the sliders from overlapping Done
10:00:294 (6,1) - a bigger jump here, feels awkward right now Done
10:34:343 (1) - remove nc Done
10:36:368 (7,1) - a jump seems necessary here Done, remapped the weird half backwards star whatever pattern that was before it as well, Idk what I was thinking when I made that.

thanks for the future pp

Arphimigon wrote:

PEEPEE!

[SLIDERS]
08:49:619 (1) - Make dis curve more curviii pls Made very slightly more curvy
09:16:491 (1) - Dat end is ugliii
09:22:380 (1) - ^ No u
09:39:037 (5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Dis feels so overmapped ayyyy lmao keep for free PP It's the drum line
09:41:521 (1) - Make this curve a neat curve :3 Not sure what you mean, but I improved the looks of this anyway.
06:01:683 (1) - Dat bulgeee Made nicer looking.
06:02:571 (1) - That starting line isnt nice imooo ^

this was so rushed im not even sure if i want kds for doing something so bad asdf enjoy this anyway it wasnt even helpful

Wookiezi wrote:

Can I also ask for "koigenome" to be put in tags? It's similar to Koigonome except it uses Genome from Daidai, often find myself searching for this.

cheezstik wrote:

Thanks heeeeeeaps for this mod, really helpful! I feel bad that my mod on your map as part of this M4M was really shit and short in comparison, so to make it up to you, I'll do the other mod you asked as an NM for in my queue first before other mods waiting in line, hope that's good enough

Synpoo wrote:

Lol don't bother modding that, I'm probably gonna let it die.

Gl with this map, if you want another mod in the future just pm me or msg in game

Doublelift wrote:

Can you actually rank the map with the name "Koigonome FriendS" though?
Several maps have been disqualified because of errors in the title, I mean, you kinda made up the name mixing the 3 songs.
Not that I'm against the idea, just unsure if it can actually get ranked because of the name.

CptBlackBird wrote:

1108 pp inc

[Marathon]

00:01:550 (5) - instead of making smaller spacing for this note, make it bigger because the sound Don't think that's necessary, delis map has same spacing.

00:30:693 (4) - why is this slider finishes on a blue tick? there is no sound on it

01:13:550 (4) - ^ ^Cos I still want 00:31:122 (1) - and 01:13:979 (1) - to be notes that are circles and not just slider ends. Delis map also does this.

01:28:979 (5,6) - rotate this a bit maybe? better to play and read Revised pattern and slightly modified position of circles after it to fix spacing

01:52:336 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - the spacing is a bit here Spacing nerfed and pattern revised

01:54:479 (6) - I would use notes here instead of a slider because of the strong sounds ^

02:03:907 (2,3,4,5) - this spacing change is really random Made more consistent with rest of spacing and revised pattern

02:49:336 (1) - notes here instead of slider here too Done

05:50:127 (3) - I would make the slider shorter here Done.

05:50:571 - and note here Done.

06:01:238 (5,1,1) - these sliders don't look really good Once again improved these sliders, think they look good for real this time bois maybe hopefully

06:41:889 (1,1) - ^ Improved the first one But I think the second one looks fine.

06:45:570 (3) - ^ Didn't think this one looked too bad but w/e, made it normal looking.

07:04:527 (1) - ^ Think this one looks nice, points towards next note and makes it more of a blanket. Will wait for another opinion but idk, I think this one looks nice.

07:34:896 (1) - ^ Made more normal looking, I originally curved it like that to avoid making it go offscreen lol, but now I realize in test mode that it wouldn't have anyway.

08:46:307 (1,2,3,4,5) - this stream fills stiff, I would make it a bit curvy Ye I knew I should've curved this

09:16:491 (1) - make the slider shorter

09:16:859 - and note here

09:22:380 (1) - shorter slider

09:22:748 - note here

09:28:270 (1) - shorter slider

09:28:638 - note here ^^^^^Nah again, shorter slider into note wouldn't suit here as much imo, no dap's map agrees.

09:40:049 (1,1,2,1,1,1) - ugly, ugly, ugly slideeeers They look good w0w o m g guys stop bully muh slider!!1! Nah idk, i actually really like the look, will ask a very experienced modder / mapper's opinion, cos I wanna keep this.

09:51:828 (1,1) - ^ ^

10:50:908 (3) - there could be a smaller stream here and not a slider 1/4 stream doesn't really suit the piano slide (proper term is glissando for you piano savy people out there), and there's nothing to stream for in the drums, so I'd have to use 1/6 if anything, and I just don't feel like adding a random one time 1/6 stream at the end lol, would be confusing and annoying as fuck to play.


bye

Kuki wrote:

[General]
You've compiled maps that are known for their AR8 difficulties, and marathons generally tone the AR down even further, but you've made it much higher, both throwing off people who know the AR8 difficulties and making the marathon harder than it should be. I highly suggest at least changing to AR8.2. I'll turn AR down to 8.5, I don't think that will make the earlier 2 songs too hard, but I'd say around 8.5 is the bare minimum for Best FriendS at least, although 8.8 would be more comfortable for it, I guess this will balance it out for the first 2 songs. AR increased back to 8.8, at popular demand by high ranking DT players, and by my judgement. 8.5 is too slow for Best FriendS, people thrown off by the high AR can get used to it easily (Provided they can read high AR), while not everyone can just read density as well as MillhioreF. 8.8 isn't even that fast for the 2 earlier maps anyway, my map has more density than the original AR8 maps due to patterns and stacks imo.

Your flow is very off in almost I would say the majority of the map. I'd suggest a remap but since the song is so long perhaps only map sections with bad flow. You can find out if it's bad flow simply by following the beatmap in edit mode with your cursor, and when something feels off, fix it.

Most of the map is very unclean, as in, overlaps and missed stacking opportunities, ontop of lack of shapes for the most part, results in having this 'unclean' feel. I suggest you go over your map and fix overlaps, and generally try to stack more, and try to make some simple shapes, e.g a square, or triangle. These are simple and easy to make with almost any combination of sliders and hitcircles, and really should be utilized you improve your map's overall quality, and overall, clean it up.

Remapping most of song

[Marathon]
00:00:265 (1,2) - Make these the same slider.
00:01:122 (3) - Avoid overlap here.
00:01:336 (4) - Stack on the sliderend of 00:01:336 (4,1).
00:02:836 (3) - Try Ctrl+G, ctrl+left arrow, then stack on the start of 00:01:979 (1). If you don't want to do this, at least fix overlap here.
Now for a pattern change. Move 00:03:479 (5) - to X=336 Y=256. Make 00:03:693 (6) - look like this. Then copy 00:03:693 (6) - in place of 00:04:122 (7), ctrl+right arrow twice, then stack on 00:03:479 (5) - then stack 00:04:550 (8) - on the sliderend of 00:03:693 (6).
00:05:407 (1,2) - Here your flow is not very good, you have the cursor moving fast from (1) to (2), as it is a 1.5x distance snap jump, larger than the usual spacing, making it so the cursor gains speed, only to stop in it's tracks upon reaching (2) and forced to move upwards in a very uncomfortable way.
00:30:693 (4) - Not a very nice looking slider shape at all. I suggest using something more like this.
00:42:907 (5,3,7) - Stack these together. It makes no sense with your previous patterns to not have these stacked.
Another flow/pattern fix.
01:06:265 (3,4) - Ctrl+G.
01:06:693 (5) - Ctrl+G.
01:07:122 (1,2) - Ctrl+G.
^All applied!

I just went through a portion of the Koigokoro section here, if you have any questions or need advice don't hesitate to send me a message either in-game or on the forums.

Generally I would say the map isn't bad, but not good either. You have a lot more work before this becomes ranked, but you will eventually. I'm sure of it. Good luck with the map, and have fun!

cheezstik wrote:

4:20 (blaze it)

Adol Christin wrote:

Greeting from my queue. Sorry for a very late mod since i suddenly become very busy. :/

Since you said one song would be fine, I'll mod Best FriendS for a fair drain time trading. (also because this is the only song i have played another version, xD)

Best FriendS

1. Countdown is enabled. Suggest disable it? Oops, thought it disabled itself since I had the start of koigokoro mapped, so not enough time to count down. Disabled.
2. 06:36:920 (3,1) - 1 should be moved away from 3. if not, 06:36:368 (2,3,1) - all have similar distance, which is too flat and makes players feel boring. Fixed / changed in remap
3. 06:37:104 (1,3) - lol this overlap.... i am a overlap lover but this looks not that fine... Fixed / changed in remap
4. 06:44:282 (2,1) - flow is nice, but better move the head of 2 on the middle of 1, rather than half stack the 1's tail.... Done
5. 06:57:350 (3) - 06:58:454 (3) - choose one or both, ctrl+g. current one is a bit too.... juggling.... Fixed / changed in remap
6. 07:13:178 (4,5,1) - this overlap looks not nice..... Fixed / changed in remap
7. 07:29:006 - lol.... a kancolle image suddenly appeared.... my heart.... Idk what this means, but just to anyone else, I'll probably delete SB before bubble etc.
8. 07:50:724 (4,5,1) - i hate the linear flow with long distance. like this. really hard to aim and not fun at all. Fixed / changed in remap
9. 08:18:699 (4,5) - this overlap... Fixed, created a very minor, long overlap later on, but I don't think it's too bad as it's objects far away from each other.
10. 08:19:988 (2,3,1,2,3) - linear flow with long distance... Fixed / changed in remap
11. 09:34:712 (1) - i feel this nc is unnecessary Fixed.
12. 09:56:245 (4) - really, not expected 2 reverse point here. Remove one please. Fixed, made 2 sliders instead.
13. 10:44:466 (4,5,1) - linear flow with long distance.... Fixed / changed in remap
14. Flow is fun, but please, try to reposition your stuff neat and tidy. There are many overlaps that are not that beautiful.

Fixed / changed in remap

That's all. Good luck~

Cherry Blossom wrote:

lol you, you got a great idea.
PP compilation.

cheezstik wrote:

Adol Christin wrote:

Best FriendS

1. 07:13:178 (4,5,1) - this overlap looks not nice..... What overlap? D: i guess it disappeared after i posted, since my post is written 2 days ago but my network suck at that time. xD
2. 07:29:006 - lol.... a kancolle image suddenly appeared.... my heart.... Idk what this means, but just to anyone else, I'll probably delete SB before bubble etc. nvm it's just my feeling, nothing else. you don't need to change anything here unless you hope so or BNs hope so.

That's all. Good luck~

Adol Christin wrote:

i guess it disappeared after i posted, since my post is written 2 days ago but my network suck at that time. xD

1. 00:00:265 (1,2) - What are you aiming at with these sliders? They look rather ugly, please make them regular curves (Shapes such as these only work on longer sliders)
2. 00:03:693 (1,2) - Personally, I hate such curved sliders, they look really cluttered and kinda bad
3. 00:03:693 (1,3) - Why not stack these?
4. 00:12:693 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This looks pretty bad, but here are some tips to improve the looks of it. Place 2 notes, copy paste them, rotate (120 degrees for triangle, 90 for rectangle, 72 for star etc.) This way they'll get better
   You can also use the "Create Polygonal Circles"-tool (Ctrl shift D)
5. 00:16:765 (4,1) - Bad stack
6. 00:17:407 (1,2) - Has pretty bad flow IMO, Ctrl G 1 to fix it (will also help in improving ^^)
7. 00:20:836 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again, use the copy + 72 degrees, or use Polygonal Circles
8. 00:30:693 (4) - NC for an SV change
9. 00:33:693 (4,5) - Red noded sliders don't fit here, make them grey noded
10. 00:40:550 (1) - What's the point of this NC? Remove it, and NC 00:41:836 (2) - instead
    
11. 01:08:836 (1) - This slider is very messed up, please make it look better
12. 01:13:550 (4) - NC fo SV change
13. 01:29:407 (1) - So curvy ;w;
14. There are much more issues with this, but then I'll be really nitpicky and I don't really like doing it. Make sure all "wrong stars-triangles" and such are fixed, incorrect stacks are gone etc.

1. 03:11:905 (1,1,1) - Remove NC
2. 03:13:238 (2) - NC, big white tick
3. 03:14:127 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - This part plays really bad, due to the sliders. Please, make them less curvy
4. 03:18:571 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - Again, all those NCs, are they neccessary?
5. 03:32:349 (1,2,3,1) - Improve looking (Polygonal circles or rotate 90)
6. 03:52:349 (1,2,3) - Low distance here feels really weird, as it's still quite powerful make them approx 1.5 ds
7. 03:53:016 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I miss the claps here
8. 04:38:349 (6,1) - Incorrect stack
9. 04:58:127 (1,2,3,4,5) - Improve looking (rotate 72)
10. 05:07:683 (4,1) - Blanket
11. 05:13:238 (1,2) - ^^
12. 05:20:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Improve looking (Rotate 60)
13. 05:44:349 (1,5) - Stack
14. 05:44:349 (1,3) - Blanket
15. 05:50:571 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - The NCs here are too much and make little to no sense
16. 06:01:238 (5,1,1,1) - Please snap them correctly
17. 06:03:238 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - And more weird NC
18. This too needs a lot of work

Baraatje123 wrote:

Okay
Decided to mod it

[Koigokoro]

1. 00:00:265 (1,2) - What are you aiming at with these sliders? They look rather ugly, please make them regular curves (Shapes such as these only work on longer sliders) Done.
2. 00:03:693 (1,2) - Personally, I hate such curved sliders, they look really cluttered and kinda bad Fixed
3. 00:03:693 (1,3) - Why not stack these? Done
4. 00:12:693 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This looks pretty bad, but here are some tips to improve the looks of it. Place 2 notes, copy paste them, rotate (120 degrees for triangle, 90 for rectangle, 72 for star etc.) This way they'll get better Done
   You can also use the "Create Polygonal Circles"-tool (Ctrl shift D)
5. 00:16:765 (4,1) - Bad stack Changed.
6. 00:17:407 (1,2) - Has pretty bad flow IMO, Ctrl G 1 to fix it (will also help in improving ^^) Fixed.
7. 00:20:836 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again, use the copy + 72 degrees, or use Polygonal Circles Done.
8. 00:30:693 (4) - NC for an SV change Done. (Also leave next note NC or remove? I've left it NC for now.)
9. 00:33:693 (4,5) - Red noded sliders don't fit here, make them grey noded Done.
10. 00:40:550 (1) - What's the point of this NC? Remove it, and NC 00:41:836 (2) - instead Done.
    
11. 01:08:836 (1) - This slider is very messed up, please make it look better Done.
12. 01:13:550 (4) - NC fo SV change Done. (Same as above^)
13. 01:29:407 (1) - So curvy ;w; Made less curvy.
14. There are much more issues with this, but then I'll be really nitpicky and I don't really like doing it. Make sure all "wrong stars-triangles" and such are fixed, incorrect stacks are gone etc. Will do my best to fix it.

[Dai Dai Genome]
First of all, the NC's here seems incredibly random, please redo them. One every big white tick is best, unless you're doing it for readability

1. 03:11:905 (1,1,1) - Remove NC I think these are better for reading, looks really weird with followpoints there.
2. 03:13:238 (2) - NC, big white tick Done.
3. 03:14:127 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - This part plays really bad, due to the sliders. Please, make them less curvy Made less curvy.
4. 03:18:571 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - Again, all those NCs, are they neccessary? The followpoints make this pattern look cluttered and hard to read imo, plays much better without them, idk though.
5. 03:32:349 (1,2,3,1) - Improve looking (Polygonal circles or rotate 90) Rotated 90.
6. 03:52:349 (1,2,3) - Low distance here feels really weird, as it's still quite powerful make them approx 1.5 ds Done.
7. 03:53:016 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I miss the claps here Added clap to third note of second triple but anymore sounds excessive imo. (Lust's map also does this)
8. 04:38:349 (6,1) - Incorrect stack Fixed.
9. 04:58:127 (1,2,3,4,5) - Improve looking (rotate 72) Done.
10. 05:07:683 (4,1) - Blanket Done.
11. 05:13:238 (1,2) - ^^ Done.
12. 05:20:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Improve looking (Rotate 60) Done.
13. 05:44:349 (1,5) - Stack Done.
14. 05:44:349 (1,3) - Blanket Done.
15. 05:50:571 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - The NCs here are too much and make little to no sense Followpoints, reading etc.
16. 06:01:238 (5,1,1,1) - Please snap them correctly Done.
17. 06:03:238 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - And more weird NC Same as above. If followpoints not looking good / making it harder to read isn't a good reason, someone tell me, and I'll just use more regular NC as instructed.
18. This too needs a lot of work

[color=transparent]I don't mod the other song, as it's quite much, and the same as in the other parts applies to there as well. Please properly look
As you can see, this map needs a lot of work IMO
However, it's mainly just small issues, or other things, the flow itself is quite decnet

Good luck!

Tehron wrote:

The M4M ^^

[Marathon]
Just some basic stuff I noticed in the first song.
00:04:550 (3) - Remove one of the shape dots (don't know what they're called, the grey dots in the slider than you can use to change the shape of the slider) Like this -> Done.
00:15:693 (1) - ^
00:51:693 (1) - ^
00:58:550 (1) - ^ ^^^All 3 applied
01:15:693 (1) - Straighten this out more. Done.

Now lets get to the actual mod.
03:14:572 (4) - Copy and paste here 03:14:127 (3) Tried it and it didn't look good.
03:21:683 (3) - Make this straight like this ->[ You can also add a little curve into it but try to make it point more towards the following slider. Made straight.
03:28:128 (4) - I would move this to the same spot where 03:27:683 (2) is. Done.
03:47:905 (3,4) - Maybe reverse these with ctrl+g? That's not too bad in spacing, but I think the way it is now plays and looks better.
04:10:794 (2,3,4) - I would replace that with a repeating 1/8 long slider. Does sound and suit better, done.
04:55:127 (3) - You should delete this. If I was only mapping to the drums in this section as usual, then I would also delete 5, I think it's fine like this and adds some variation compared to the previous parts.
05:18:794 (7) - Move this closer to 05:18:571 (6,8) Done.
05:29:016 (4,5,6) - Curve this stream like this ->
05:32:571 (2,3,4) - ^
05:46:794 (4,5,6) - ^ Eh, all the streams in this song section have been straight, I think I'll stick to the theme.

Fun map, good luck with it!

ExCellRaD wrote:

The map is starting to look quite good, good job on taking the effort to make this huge beatmap :p

ExCellRaD wrote:

One question/remark though: the Best FriendS part is 2 to 3 times as hard as the rest of the map, probably because of the insane spacing (more than 3,0 on some notes) in the patterns and the high(er) bpm. You can see this very clearly by deleting the last part and checking the difference in stars.
Because of this the map basically only revolves around this last part and the first two songs will barely have impact on the pp score apart from the combo they give.

So the question is: is this intentional, or does it add to the meme value? ^^

ExCellRaD wrote:

Also why AR 8.8? I think this is a bit too high (with DT) for most people.

UndeadCapulet wrote:

Hey~

No kd for this post, I'll be doing a more extensive mod later, I just first wanted to point out some of the obvious "unrankable" issues with this map. Fixing these early will make the modding process (and my ability to mod) go much smoother.

Marathon

03:46:127 - There should be a red timing section here, to reset the measure and properly align the downbeats. You might want to also go through and readdress your NC job after this; it seems like a lot of NCs were placed with the downbeats in mind, though since your downbeats are wrong your whole NC job seems wrong. Wow I thought something seemed off with the NCs, wouldn't have thought to add a timing point, added and fixed NCs. #AmateurMapperMistakes


There are some pretty major tonality issues in both the Koigokoro and Daidai sections:

01:39:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - These jumps seem overdone for the map as is. Compared to 00:56:836 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - , they are much more intense, but these parts of the music are the same in tone. Same for 01:53:407 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - , etc. If you are going to use jumps this large, you should make the first kiai consistent with this. This is unrankable otherwise, QAT doesn't like difficulty spikes. I toned down the big jump part.

And as for the Daidai part, well...
03:32:794 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - This part of the song is slow, slower than the entirety of Koigokoro, but these jumps are as large as Koigokoro's kiai. I realize Daidai's BPM is lower, so jumps need to be larger to be considered as jumps. But this just seems really overdone, as do all similar slow parts of Daidai. Hmm it might be a little big but I do think it's fine for now, that part is to emphasize the piano and it's smaller spacing than the kiai and faster parts.

The kiai section has a key change. Usually this means everything will be made more intense compared to previous verses. I'm not sure if you took this into consideration, maybe I'm just imagining things, but it looks to me like the jumps in the kiai are the same as the jumps in the previous chorus. You may want to consider switching things around so the jumps in the kiai are larger than the rest of the Daidai section. The kiai section does already have larger, more intense jumps than the rest of the song.


Oh, and I guess this is a good place to point out that you should add some combo colours :V I'm not super experienced with combo colours D: who wants to suggest some? I don't even know how to add them.

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Call me back~

cHelli wrote:

tatoe wtf lololol

NM~

Marathon

1. I prefer flows to overlaps, like in 08:37:472 (1,2) - , I prefer flow here Ctrl+g'd the first slider
2. 00:30:479 (4,1) - don't like things like this, but ofc just personal idea Changed.
3. 00:37:122 (4,5,6,7) - It might be better to put a reentry (1212 jump? idk if you can know what I mean...) , instead of triple I really liked the look of this triangle, but I'll change if someone else requests in addition.
4. 00:44:836 (1,2) - I think flow might be better, blanket is also ok I think it looks nice like this.
5. 00:48:479 (2) - don't fit the vocal, suggest to delete it I'm mapping to the music in this part, not vocals.
6. 00:48:907 (4) - ^
7. 00:59:193 (2,3,4,5,6) - two consecutive five-pointed star Changed pattern.
8. 01:13:336 (4,1,1) - werid.. Changed.
9. 03:10:572 (3,4) - werid to have two sliders in same direction I think it's fine, looks nice, will change upon someone else requesting in addition.
10. 03:39:460 (3) - Bend it to make better flow I like the look of this straight slider overlap into curled slider, so I ctrl+g'd it to improve flow instead, anyone have opinions on this? D:
11. 05:30:126 (5,6) - not blanket well Fixed.
12. 08:11:705 (1,2) - this might be very confusing or maybe unrankable (not sure if it is regard as hiding a note under the arrow) Not sure about that one.
13. control distance in jumps, make distance from small to large rather than put them random

Anyway, some ideas are interesting in this map. Hope you can get this map ranked~
GL~

Routalempi wrote:

Map looks and pays well for the most part, and it's memetastic! Here's a few pointers, though.

General

- A good meme map has a good storyboard. The T A T O E was cool, but didn't feel like it's enough. Consider implementing the current song into the storyboard somehow (for example, highlight the koigokoro BG during the first 3 minutes, daidai BG during the next 3, etc.). Probably gonna delete the SB if it poses a problem in ranking etc anyway, was just a joke, not a serious SB haha.
- That T A T O E warrants an epilepsy warning.
- What's with the funky AR and OD? Was AR9/OD8 somehow insufficient? You shouldn't use the fractions just for the sake of it, but if there's an actual gameplay reason than it's fine. ???? The decimals are there to be used, I shouldn't use exactly x.0 or x.5 just for the sake of it, AR9 is too fast for the first 2 songs, but AR8.8 maintains decent readability for Best FriendS while not being overly fast for the first 2 songs. Same with OD.
- Unused green timing point at 03:46:127 Deleted, nice catch!

Koigokoro

- 00:05:407 (1,2) - excessive stacking, consider moving these from under the previous slider. I think it's fine.
- 00:28:550 (5,6) - and 00:29:193 (8,1) - unintuitive stacks, breaks the flow of the map. Changed pattern.
- 00:30:479 (4,1) - this spacing goes against the flow of the map. I can see how it fits the music, but it compromises playability way too much. Changed.
- 01:13:336 (4,1) - same as above. Changed.

Daidai Genome

- 03:21:683 (1) - this slider breaks the flow of the map, consider replacing it with just a single note. Uhh, no I don't think so. I increased SV from 0.6 to 0.75 and kept it in the same initial position so it touches the next slider and is less likely to cause a sliderbreak though.
- 04:30:571 - this is where the climax of the song starts, and there's a noticeable crescendo in the music. The map doesn't really reflect this change right now. Consider bumping slider velocity up slightly to add emphasis on this part of the song. The spacing and jumps already increases a lot in comparison, I think the SV should be fine.
- 05:22:126 - same as above.

PP FriendS

- 08:12:626 (2) - don't hide notes under sliders like this. Ok, previous mod mentioned this, I'll move it.
- 09:40:049 - 09:56:981 - THIS PART IS PERFECT FOR MEME SLIDERS. Make use of these; there's so much cool stuff you could do with some creative slider designs. So much unused meming potential here

Can't tell if srs hahaha, but for now I think my slider art should be fine.

This mod was a part of my modding queue.