If so then explain to me how wagons dont give information and how puttinv votes everywhere without reason helps finding scum.
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And I'm the only one on this side of the earth for this game aren't I
What I mean is using someone else's experience outside of your own. It's all well in good to understand how people think from playing with them several times, but it's a lot less convincing when someone with little to no experience playing with that person to go back to games they didn't play in to try to figure out how that person thinks second-hand.
Basically, going through and meta-diving is pretty useless in my eyes and I'm willing to accept the premise is true for now.
Sakura, I saw that you analyze the game pretty closely all the time, which is a good thing, yet I can't really appreciate it, since you put pressure on one person, and at the end you vote him for those reasons, just because he wrote something, without much relation to the other people.
@Dake, a silly vote for kookook because he wanted to make a reaction test? are there any other reasons, or did your mind change ?
Some more activity would really be cool, since I can only see sakura main posting.. and some others.
About the posting, as soon as I came back i've wrote that I will post my statement later, what I've actually done. But I really don't think i need to prove that I was away for overnight and didn't have access to the internet. School Sakura, School.
What's WK, by the way?
Guess this explains why he hasnt posted.
For your other question, I'm waiting until the others post, since I don't wanna focus on kookook only, although it would be helpful to know what he thinks about all this.
@Jinxy: It is a good idea to get reactions, but at the end everything is like "OMG THIS IS SO SUSPICIOUS", the people get voted, all others 'wagon' as well, and that's it.
catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly
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Vote: Royston
No one has even added pressure to him and he's already pre-emptively defending. That's quite the overreaction over my comment.
But okay, here's a few questions:
1. Is Royston's post about my post scummy?
2. What is your opinion on his self-vote?
3. What in general is your case on Royston? It's a bit late to vote only for a reaction without any basis to go on.
2. Okay, let me rephrase the question, then. Why does that make him more likely scum than town?
3. Your posts don't suggest that at all.
2. I find it null. In my experience, actions like this are alignment-irrelevant.
3. KKK's posts on page 5 ping pretty hard. Look through my ISO for the rEdo case.
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Pretty much, yeah.CalignoBot wrote:
Does Saki always play like this?
Saki games I've seen.
First Saki game, he was town i was scum
We were both town
We were both town
We were both town
We were both town <- This one's a pretty good look since we both did 1v1 on D1.
I was town he was scum, but he got force-replaced out D1 (hi tsukasa)
First Saki game, he was town i was scum
We were both town
We were both town
We were both town
We were both town <- This one's a pretty good look since we both did 1v1 on D1.
I was town he was scum, but he got force-replaced out D1 (hi tsukasa)
And here's when I suddenly realize i've played a lot of games with Saki
I'm heavily against using outside experience for meta arguments, so I'll just assume you know what you're talking about for now.
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This is not MS.net.
Please remember that in future, thanks.
Please remember that in future, thanks.
Wait, could you explain exactly which part of his posts showed inside info? I get the IIoA and Fishing from his setup speculation post, but not the inside info part.Sakura wrote:
@Royston: That's what i meant by Inside Information in one of the things i had against kookookook
This is pinging to me slightly. You don't like to use outside experience, but you just stop voting Sena because of what Sakura posted?CalignoBot wrote:
I'm heavily against using outside experience for meta arguments, so I'll just assume you know what you're talking about for now.
And I'm the only one on this side of the earth for this game aren't I
He seems to know close to what setups are in play.Jinxy wrote:
Wait, could you explain exactly which part of his posts showed inside info? I get the IIoA and Fishing from his setup speculation post, but not the inside info part.Sakura wrote:
@Royston: That's what i meant by Inside Information in one of the things i had against kookookook
That does not answer my question at all
Which part of his posts
Which part of his posts
This one.
kookookook wrote:
What do you guys think the set-up is? I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
...Yes, and I'm asking how that's inside info. It's major IIoA and minor rolefishing, but I don't see how thinking it's not certain setups is knowing something we don't.
He's already ruling out 2 possible setups for apparently no reason.
Wait a second, how the heck, is that statement major IIoA (the IIoA part i was talking about was the 7 in 9 chance of someone being town, which is weird to point out specially after I mentioned how useless that statement was). It's unknown information so it cant be IIoA.
Oh. Well, I thought that was what you meant by IIoA, from the wiki statement: "players who speculate about the setup more than they ask for other players' reasoning and/or accuse other players of being scum are probably group scum". I don't usually use all these terms myself.
It pretty much depends on context and wording, setup speculation at that point is no information, NOR analysis (There's nothing to analyze about the setup yet as there aren't no flips or claims)
Ok, I see. Back to the other thing:
That's all that caught my attention for now, going to bed soon. Would be nice if Cali talked a bit about why he just dropped Sena despite being "against using outside experience for meta arguments". Night.
I can see where you're coming from, but to me it reads more as a really dumb reason (can't be x because x is boring) than no reason. Besides, if he did know inside information which allows him to rule out setups, I really don't think he would just freely talk about it, even as a random post.Sakura wrote:
He's already ruling out 2 possible setups for apparently no reason.
That's all that caught my attention for now, going to bed soon. Would be nice if Cali talked a bit about why he just dropped Sena despite being "against using outside experience for meta arguments". Night.
If you know me, you'd know I analyze anything (even RVS reasons), due to the fact that in the very first pages of the game scum still hasn't settled into it, and all the information people have for starting to find information is their Role PM, maybe such things wont become apparent now, but as the game goes on you'll realize that most probably he has a reason for saying those things.
Also i do totally see your point on CalignoBot it's pinging me in the wrong direction as well since you mentioned it, so I'd like to hear his answer to that as well.
Also i do totally see your point on CalignoBot it's pinging me in the wrong direction as well since you mentioned it, so I'd like to hear his answer to that as well.
kook's saying that these setups are boring could be a slight way to claim a role, you know. he could've wanted to narrow up the possible setups, in order for us to give hints about his role, so I wouldn't be that sure about suspecting him right away.
but yeah, I kinda question myself what would be the reason for that...
but yeah, I kinda question myself what would be the reason for that...
In that case it makes it even MORE suspicious, no PR would give him/herself away this soon without heavy fire at them, consider that he started getting voted by other people after that statement, not before.
sounds interesting if that's how you think of it. I'd like to hear something from him first, though. kook, why did you think these two setups aren't likely to happen? are you really a PR, or just trying to cover up something you don't know?
FoS: kookookook
FoS: kookookook
It was just really shitty wording.Jinxy wrote:
This is pinging to me slightly. You don't like to use outside experience, but you just stop voting Sena because of what Sakura posted?CalignoBot wrote:
I'm heavily against using outside experience for meta arguments, so I'll just assume you know what you're talking about for now.
And I'm the only one on this side of the earth for this game aren't I
What I mean is using someone else's experience outside of your own. It's all well in good to understand how people think from playing with them several times, but it's a lot less convincing when someone with little to no experience playing with that person to go back to games they didn't play in to try to figure out how that person thinks second-hand.
Basically, going through and meta-diving is pretty useless in my eyes and I'm willing to accept the premise is true for now.
People need to post more often.
CalignoBot: You asked me if Saki is always like this, I said yes, I never said he was town, in fact I said he can pull this as either alignment (keyword being: "always") is that strong enough for you to unvote him?
CalignoBot: You asked me if Saki is always like this, I said yes, I never said he was town, in fact I said he can pull this as either alignment (keyword being: "always") is that strong enough for you to unvote him?
I was more asking whether trying to put pressure on him is going to be useful at all. The fact that you stated he was and were willing to prove it so easily is enough to convince me at this stage.
@Mod: prod anyone that can be prodded
I wonder if we're the only four that are actually into this game, huh. ._."
Speaking of Saki here's one thing you should be aware of, Saki loves to quickhammer regardless of alignment, so be careful with putting people at L-1
Sorry that I lacked of activity, I wasn't at home for overnight, i'll let you know what I think in a few hours at least.
Well, some people might not really analyze the situation, don't know what to vote, and just vote something, that they voted something.Sakura wrote:
If so then explain to me how wagons dont give information and how puttinv votes everywhere without reason helps finding scum.
Sakura, I saw that you analyze the game pretty closely all the time, which is a good thing, yet I can't really appreciate it, since you put pressure on one person, and at the end you vote him for those reasons, just because he wrote something, without much relation to the other people.
@Dake, a silly vote for kookook because he wanted to make a reaction test? are there any other reasons, or did your mind change ?
Some more activity would really be cool, since I can only see sakura main posting.. and some others.
I am looking at the other people actually, seeing the tone and motivation behind their posts in the way they vote or stay off the wagon or push something else, wagons generate reactions, not necessarily only from the person being wagoned but from the people outside of the wagon (like what you're replying right now) even if the votes were random.
Here's some insight for you, do you really think that people just roll a die and vote whoever the die tells them? All people have at the start of the game is the information on their Role PM, as much as they want their votes to be random, they won't be.
If by the end everyone has voted and everyone has 1 vote on them, then yeah that won't give much info, which is why I encourage people getting at least 2 votes (or 3 or 4 in larger games) during RVS, then people are forced to take a stance, which eliminates hiding places for scum.
I know your stance already, you dont think kookookook is scum, which is why you're doubting the wagon is heading in the right direction, that's already info to work with, even without you directly participating in the wagon.
Here's some insight for you, do you really think that people just roll a die and vote whoever the die tells them? All people have at the start of the game is the information on their Role PM, as much as they want their votes to be random, they won't be.
If by the end everyone has voted and everyone has 1 vote on them, then yeah that won't give much info, which is why I encourage people getting at least 2 votes (or 3 or 4 in larger games) during RVS, then people are forced to take a stance, which eliminates hiding places for scum.
I know your stance already, you dont think kookookook is scum, which is why you're doubting the wagon is heading in the right direction, that's already info to work with, even without you directly participating in the wagon.
Btw Irre, the mod never posted that he issued prods, yet you came back right away when I asked for you (among others) to be prodded, so you literally just showed that you are indeed reading the thread but not posting, you're actively lurking, why?
Never said I don't think he's not scum, and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.Sakura wrote:
I am looking at the other people actually, seeing the tone and motivation behind their posts in the way they vote or stay off the wagon or push something else, wagons generate reactions, not necessarily only from the person being wagoned but from the people outside of the wagon (like what you're replying right now) even if the votes were random.
Here's some insight for you, do you really think that people just roll a die and vote whoever the die tells them? All people have at the start of the game is the information on their Role PM, as much as they want their votes to be random, they won't be.
If by the end everyone has voted and everyone has 1 vote on them, then yeah that won't give much info, which is why I encourage people getting at least 2 votes (or 3 or 4 in larger games) during RVS, then people are forced to take a stance, which eliminates hiding places for scum.
I know your stance already, you dont think kookookook is scum, which is why you're doubting the wagon is heading in the right direction, that's already info to work with, even without you directly participating in the wagon.
About the posting, as soon as I came back i've wrote that I will post my statement later, what I've actually done. But I really don't think i need to prove that I was away for overnight and didn't have access to the internet. School Sakura, School.
So instead of carefully addressing my points you go into discredit session, good job, you've earned yourself a vote
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Vote: Irreversible
I cannot see any town motivation behind that last post of yours at all.
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Vote: Irreversible
I cannot see any town motivation behind that last post of yours at all.
That was so obvious, well w/e lol
Prod dodge.
@Irre, that's not a silly vote, I still find weird that this post is meant to be a reaction test for Sakura.
Also:
@Irre, that's not a silly vote, I still find weird that this post is meant to be a reaction test for Sakura.
Also:
This is still calling my attention. So I'm sticking to that vote.kookookook wrote:
I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
for some reason this makes me think that it's his way of saying "I'm not a Vanilla, I've got a PR". might've been overinterpretting things, though.DakeDekaane wrote:
This is still calling my attention. So I'm sticking to that vote.kookookook wrote:
I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
nuuu don't prod me.
I promise not to quickhammer, too.
I promise not to quickhammer, too.
I'm actually thinking irreversible has higher chance of flipping scum, but i kind of feel bad because i have that feeling every game with him =/
Mostly trying to discredit me when I wasn't even attacking him, smells of chainsaw or WK.
Mostly trying to discredit me when I wasn't even attacking him, smells of chainsaw or WK.
Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?Irreversible wrote:
Never said I don't think he's not scum, and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.
Irreversible wrote:
@Dake, a silly vote for kookook because he wanted to make a reaction test? are there any other reasons, or did your mind change?
This part isn't quite reading right to me for some reason. Like, he considers votes on kook "silly", and then tries to back out of Sakura's interpretation that he thinks kook isn't scum, a bit too defensively.Irreversible wrote:
Never said I don't think [kookookook is] not scum. (Double negative?)
What's WK, by the way?
Rephrase: He considers Dake's vote on kook silly, not just any vote on kook
WK = White knighting, when scum protect a townie for town cred, kinda like buddying taken to the extreme.
Please tell me you two see what's wrong with rEdo's statement.
He's trying to rolefish? that's all I see, either that or he's implying he knows kookookook is scum.
EBWODP: he knows kookookook is town.
He's openly PR-hunting. Town doesn't want to do this at the very least on D1; even if they see something like this, making it public is very anti-town.
I don't know if he's town, it just looks like a slight newbie's play for claiming town with some role to me... or so I'd say if he wasn't lying.Sakura wrote:
EBWODP: he knows kookookook is town.
ain't necessarily PR-hunting, I already said I wanna hear from him at first, and that way of talking is supposed to be a motivator for him to prove that he's not scum. I already mentioned he's a suspect to me, so if he won't talk, I'm okay with using a vote on him.CalignoBot wrote:
He's openly PR-hunting. Town doesn't want to do this at the very least on D1; even if they see something like this, making it public is very anti-town.
Guess this explains why he hasnt posted.
Sorry for inactivity. I don't really have anything to add. I suck at D1, sorry.
At least try to do something?Royston wrote:
Sorry for inactivity. I don't really have anything to add. I suck at D1, sorry.
If you're not gonna play I rather you replace out, I don't like people that sit down and do nothing.
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
@Jinxy: Could you rephrase "Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?" ? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me.
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
@Jinxy: Could you rephrase "Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?" ? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me.
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
So first i'm inventing, now I'm biased, how much else are you gonna pull to discredit me?Irreversible wrote:
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
And what are you doing to find out whether he is scum or not?Irreversible wrote:
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
Irreversible wrote:
@Jinxy: Could you rephrase "Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?" ? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me.
Basically, you say Sakura has a good point that wagoning generates reactions, then you say that Sakura was just "inventing" the idea that people being forced to take a stance will make it harder for scum to hide. These two parts don't mesh at all, taking a stance is a reaction.Irreversible wrote:
and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.
Try to feel how I do, I don't discredit you at all, it's just quite annoying that it doesn't matter at all what I write, I'm the bad one for you.... but yeah, just do what ever you want, I shouldn't go on discussing about it, since you'll surely use this against me at one point for sure. Sorry for that I think like this, but yeah.Sakura wrote:
So first i'm inventing, now I'm biased, how much else are you gonna pull to discredit me?Irreversible wrote:
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
For your other question, I'm waiting until the others post, since I don't wanna focus on kookook only, although it would be helpful to know what he thinks about all this.
@Jinxy: It is a good idea to get reactions, but at the end everything is like "OMG THIS IS SO SUSPICIOUS", the people get voted, all others 'wagon' as well, and that's it.
And please don't tell me it's wrong now to wait until the others post. It's just the activity, since not many people are posting frequently.Sakura wrote:
And what are you doing to find out whether he is scum or not?Irreversible wrote:
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
It's not wrong to wait until others post, but so far you've done a big bunch of nothing in terms of scumhunting.
Hope these help you get started, they are quite good guides.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19001
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19001
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932
now that was mean, Sakura :(
Irreversible and Sakura's fight besides...
Vote: kookookook
I'm kinda tired of him not talking at all. I'm certain I must've overinterpretted that so called "weird PR call". he either randomly dropped by, saying "this setups are boring XXDXDXD won't be plaid" and stopped playing the game, or he's unexperienced scum and he doesn't want to talk at all, despite being asked for it.
Irreversible and Sakura's fight besides...
Vote: kookookook
I'm kinda tired of him not talking at all. I'm certain I must've overinterpretted that so called "weird PR call". he either randomly dropped by, saying "this setups are boring XXDXDXD won't be plaid" and stopped playing the game, or he's unexperienced scum and he doesn't want to talk at all, despite being asked for it.
Unvote: kookookook
Hold on a sec. I gotta think through a couple things.
Also don't want to risk a lynch since I believe KKK was at L-1.
Hold on a sec. I gotta think through a couple things.
Also don't want to risk a lynch since I believe KKK was at L-1.
Hey, Sakura vs Irre, again~
I think we should wait, if he doesn't post, then we could lynch him.
That was a risky move rEdo, but the fact that he doesn't even trying to defend himself is worrying me a bit.
@Irre, who would you focus on besides kook?
I think we should wait, if he doesn't post, then we could lynch him.
That was a risky move rEdo, but the fact that he doesn't even trying to defend himself is worrying me a bit.
@Irre, who would you focus on besides kook?
Topic Starter
Oh yeah, prodded 4 people by the way, votecount will happen soon when I've got more Ratboy Genius.
CalignoBot, this unvote happens really all of a sudden, doesn't it? Couldn't you think about this earlier instead of vote so early?
@Dake: ^ Should answer your question
@Dake: ^ Should answer your question
Um, I'm pretty sure he unvoted to avoid having kook at L-1. He said that in his post...
Nope, if my count is right he's at 2 votes right now. I changed my vote to Irreversible earlier, whch is why i think rEdo voted since it wouldnt put him at L-1 anymore.
kookookook is being useless atm because he's not posting, imo he's going to be a liability for town no matter what and should be lynched anyway, he had a 48 hours silence during which he couldn't post but after that he still hasn't posted, he's been prodded I assume and probably eventually replaced out, if it happens then we may get a deadline extension, so I guess it should be better to let the slot be for the time being.
While that happens let's discuss Irreversible's reactions towards kookookook's wagon and his discrediting me.
kookookook is being useless atm because he's not posting, imo he's going to be a liability for town no matter what and should be lynched anyway, he had a 48 hours silence during which he couldn't post but after that he still hasn't posted, he's been prodded I assume and probably eventually replaced out, if it happens then we may get a deadline extension, so I guess it should be better to let the slot be for the time being.
While that happens let's discuss Irreversible's reactions towards kookookook's wagon and his discrediting me.
< was prodded sharply in the side. That hurts~
Anyhow, I really don't think a lot of the discussion right now is holding ground.
It might just be the avatars and pink background that doesn't make me take people seriously.
But the game's moving slowly. There's accusations of 'rolefishing' and 'misrep' but I don't quite see how that is going to lead to anything.
Especially if people haven't taken pressure yet.
Ugh
I'll try to get into this game soon with a VA-style readslist or something
just wait
btw what's the equivalent of an ISO on this forum
Anyhow, I really don't think a lot of the discussion right now is holding ground.
It might just be the avatars and pink background that doesn't make me take people seriously.
But the game's moving slowly. There's accusations of 'rolefishing' and 'misrep' but I don't quite see how that is going to lead to anything.
Especially if people haven't taken pressure yet.
Ugh
I'll try to get into this game soon with a VA-style readslist or something
just wait
btw what's the equivalent of an ISO on this forum
^
As an add to that post, take in mind ISOs here come in reverse order (latest post first).
As an add to that post, take in mind ISOs here come in reverse order (latest post first).
Well Royston, you haven't posted anything useful, except that you were talking for CalignoBot, for whatever reason.
Sure Sakura, why don't we also discuss that you always want to put pressure on me so I get lynched for some silly reasons? Why are you so bothered by this 'discrediting' btw? It isn't meant to be this, it's a fact. I won't vote for anyone until I got some better reasons to do so. So Sakura, I'd like you to give some statements to some other players, except me. Thank you.
Sure Sakura, why don't we also discuss that you always want to put pressure on me so I get lynched for some silly reasons? Why are you so bothered by this 'discrediting' btw? It isn't meant to be this, it's a fact. I won't vote for anyone until I got some better reasons to do so. So Sakura, I'd like you to give some statements to some other players, except me. Thank you.
I put pressure on you yes, whether you're scum or not it depends on how you react to it.
How do you expect me to give statements on people that haven't posted? If you want my opinion Royston needs more pressure, He's just fencesitting there.
No one but you and kook have done possible alignment related stuff, tho Saki's worry about the inactivity and doing nothing about it is bothersome.
You discrediting me worries me because that's what scum do.
How do you expect me to give statements on people that haven't posted? If you want my opinion Royston needs more pressure, He's just fencesitting there.
No one but you and kook have done possible alignment related stuff, tho Saki's worry about the inactivity and doing nothing about it is bothersome.
You discrediting me worries me because that's what scum do.
I'm not the same person you played with before tho, I have about 10+ games under my belt, If you're town, show it to me, with your actions, you guys keeping this game in inactivity isn't helping, Royston doesn't want to be helpful at all but he's being transparent and that is kind of what's conflicting in my read of him.
-_- not going to write anything again about the pressure thing, I'm annoyed, since it doesn't depend at all. How would you like to react me? If i react offensive, i get marked as scum and it ends as an omgus, if i act defensely, i get also marked as a scum, because i don't want to get lynched, and this is what you don't understand.
I can also say you're pretending to scumhunt, because you're scum yourself, what do you think about that? Yet i'm not instantly going to vote you since i don't have any reasons to do this.
I can also say you're pretending to scumhunt, because you're scum yourself, what do you think about that? Yet i'm not instantly going to vote you since i don't have any reasons to do this.
Sakura, what the hell should I ask inactive people, I just can't ask them questions like 'WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS AND THAT", because no one is actually posting something useful. I thought it a bit weird that royston is answering for calignobot, but nobody cares, so should I instantly give up?
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Vote: kookookook
See that wasnt too hard no was it.
I read frustration and Paranoia in your last 2 posts, that's not a scum feeling, that's a town feeling.
Vote: kookookook
See that wasnt too hard no was it.
I read frustration and Paranoia in your last 2 posts, that's not a scum feeling, that's a town feeling.
Now on to actually adressing your questions.
Yes do ask inactive people questions if they keep being inactive and dont reply then you have a reason to vote them for ignoring your questions. Or you might also inquiry the people that ARE active in here, but you not asking questions isnt going to make scum magically pop out of nowhere and idk why people seem to think that because others are inactive it's ok to be inactive for them as well.
Yes do ask inactive people questions if they keep being inactive and dont reply then you have a reason to vote them for ignoring your questions. Or you might also inquiry the people that ARE active in here, but you not asking questions isnt going to make scum magically pop out of nowhere and idk why people seem to think that because others are inactive it's ok to be inactive for them as well.
@Irre: you should answer my question first, about my answer, I'll keep it as a secret for now and maybe reveal it later if my thoughts are correct.
But I'm also curious about rEdo, but I have nothing to ask him atm.
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But I'm also curious about rEdo, but I have nothing to ask him atm.
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If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston
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vote: Royston
Sakura wrote:
I'm not the same person you played with before tho, I have about 10+ games under my belt
catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly
What do you mean with that Sakura, you seem pretty much the same o.o
So what is the town motivation behind this again?Royston wrote:
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
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vote: Royston
I've probably improved at reading people (or not, that's still up for debate) that's what I mean. If you're town I'll probably notice one way or another, but for now that other post of yours seems townish to me, so i'm giving you the benefit of doubt, as i'm not sure to what extend you'd fake emotions or if you're even able to fake them at all.Irreversible wrote:
What do you mean with that Sakura, you seem pretty much the same o.o
Don't quite get that, if you were town, why would do something stupid like this?Royston wrote:
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston
Hint: he's not town.Irreversible wrote:
if you were town
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Vote: Royston
No one has even added pressure to him and he's already pre-emptively defending. That's quite the overreaction over my comment.
Let's see how he's going to react further. FoS on Royston for now~
I finally got off my lazy ass and read some things again.
Vote: Irreversible
kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.
I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.
DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Vote: Irreversible
Irreversible wrote:
Well Royston, you haven't posted anything useful, except that you were talking for CalignoBot, for whatever reason.
Sure Sakura, why don't we also discuss that you always want to put pressure on me so I get lynched for some silly reasons? Why are you so bothered by this 'discrediting' btw? It isn't meant to be this, it's a fact. I won't vote for anyone until I got some better reasons to do so. So Sakura, I'd like you to give some statements to some other players, except me. Thank you.
Irreversible wrote:
Don't quite get that, if you were town, why would do something stupid like this?Royston wrote:
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston
This is a classic example of pushing forward a wagon while trying not to leave a trail. He also has yet to vote this entire game. As an addition, he's sheeping one of my town reads pretty hard.Irreversible wrote:
Let's see how he's going to react further. FoS on Royston for now~
kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.
I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.
DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Why is everyone crying about my not voting ?
If I wanted to push forward a wagon against Royston, I would've voted him, what I didn't do so far, because he didn't post much.
Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.
Vote: Royston I finally want to see him posting and reacting.
If I wanted to push forward a wagon against Royston, I would've voted him, what I didn't do so far, because he didn't post much.
Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.
Vote: Royston I finally want to see him posting and reacting.
This is a misrep. My case isn't that you're attacking Royston. My case is the way you're attacking Royston. You're trying to further suspicion on him, but you're doing it in a way that's not truly taking a stance.Irreversible wrote:
Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.
But okay, here's a few questions:
1. Is Royston's post about my post scummy?
2. What is your opinion on his self-vote?
3. What in general is your case on Royston? It's a bit late to vote only for a reaction without any basis to go on.
1) I don't understand, what post about your post, what?
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
On the matter of voting, Mastin explains it very well here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2707177
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15895 here's a more condensed version of it if you dont like reading long text.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15895 here's a more condensed version of it if you dont like reading long text.
I'm just impressed how much you want to talk about Royston, I've got a few questions for you as well.
1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
It's not about how much they post, but about the content on their posts and reading the intent behind them. You will notice when you start reading intent instead of the actual posts reading text walls becomes so much easier.
1. His response to your comment about me unvoting.Irreversible wrote:
1) I don't understand, what post about your post, what?
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
2. Okay, let me rephrase the question, then. Why does that make him more likely scum than town?
3. Your posts don't suggest that at all.
1. This is a question I literally cannot answer.Irreversible wrote:
I'm just impressed how much you want to talk about Royston, I've got a few questions for you as well.
1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
2. I find it null. In my experience, actions like this are alignment-irrelevant.
3. KKK's posts on page 5 ping pretty hard. Look through my ISO for the rEdo case.
The reason for my self-vote was simple. To facilitate discussion and conversation. I mean, it's worked, hasn't it?
It's true that there's also disadvantages for a self-vote in that it takes away focus from other people (who may potentially be scum). Though by the same token it can be risky for scum to do so, as it attracts unnecessary attention to themselves. Overall I wouldn't see it points to me being scum or town either way though, you could use WIFOM to argue either way.
It's true that there's also disadvantages for a self-vote in that it takes away focus from other people (who may potentially be scum). Though by the same token it can be risky for scum to do so, as it attracts unnecessary attention to themselves. Overall I wouldn't see it points to me being scum or town either way though, you could use WIFOM to argue either way.
How confident are you in that?Sakura wrote:
Hint: he's not town.
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.Sakura wrote:
Hint: he's not town.
You're just sitting on the fence here. You don't think he would do that if he was town, and then you flip around and say you're not voting him because you don't think he's scum.Irreversible wrote:
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.