ziin wrote:

There is no "one artist" to many songs nowadays. There are multiple contributing artists. The only way to let this happen is to allow for tags to be tagged themselves, perhaps like xml:
<artist>Hatsune Miku</artist>
<artist>wowaka</artist>
This way the tags are separated, could fit on two lines, and when searching for either miku or wowaka, you'll get the map. You also have wowaka in the correct place, not in the tag section.

This would also allow for custom tags like:
<featuring>Hatsune Miku</featuring>
because Miku doesn't write songs, she just sings them. poorly.

If source is unused we could put that there, or we could just stick the composer in the tags like we have been. Suffice to say, it's incredibly useful to sort all of the miku songs in the same area. Rather than force a rule on people to use the correct composer, I would rather wait until the problem is addressed by the website and submission process.

Artist: wowaka feat. Hatsune Miku

-A t H e N a- wrote:

I would suggest that a format like "Lily(SeleP)-Scarlet Rose" be used instead.

Natteke wrote:

Huh, well, Justin Bieber doesn't compose the song, but he's the artist. If you're gonna aply this to vocaloid songs, why not aply it to EVERY other song as well? 95% of the time singer is mentioned as ARTIST because it makes more sense.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Edit: @Natteke: Yeah i agree, but the vocaloid is a program, not a person (well the one that made the sounds for the vocaloid is a person, but still it feels more like an instrument rather than a singer).

blissfulyoshi wrote:

I suggest using this format as a fix "AVTechNO! feat. Megurine Luka - "DYE" "

This format still lists which vocaloid it is (no confusion as who is the singer)
This format would solve the source conflict.

I think those are the only criteria that players need to care about. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Maybe if we could make tags between quotation marks "Hatsune Miku" work as a single tag that has a space on it.

NatsumeRin wrote:

A typical title of a vocaloid song in nico is like 【GUMI】シルバーバレット【虹原ぺぺろん】, could be devided into 3 parts

kanpakyin wrote:

As I have seen.Most of the composer of the song was written to the source.So we can know who is the composer.

like this:


hum?

lepidopodus wrote:

I've seen something like this: 'Cosmo@BousouP feat. Hatsune Miku'. Mabe too long?

blissfulyoshi wrote:

I sgugested somethign similar on page 2, so I guess this is probably going to be the accepted format, but I think some people are still against having the vocaloid's name anywhere in the artist field. (Also, there are probably a few other issues that I forgot to mention from thee other pages)

ziin wrote:

The only thing I want is a better search.

09:40 <peppy> the company behind vocaloid prohibits using the name Hatsune Miku as artist
09:40 <peppy> or even feat.
09:40 <peppy> unless you get licensing from them

Sakura wrote:

Just quoting peppy here from earlier:

09:40 <peppy> the company behind vocaloid prohibits using the name Hatsune Miku as artist
09:40 <peppy> or even feat.
09:40 <peppy> unless you get licensing from them

SkyDevil wrote:

new beatmap has KuroUsa-p as artist instead of Hatsune Miku

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55941

arken1015 wrote:

At lest, we should have respect for composers of these songs...

kurohana wrote:

Hi ~

One question: What should we write at 'artist' at a covered Vocaloid song?
For example this
this
this
If that already has been discussed, I'm sorry >.<

Well, I would write only the name of the singer of that Vocaloid cover song in artist.
Because in that case, He/She is the real singer and not the creator of the song anyway.

ultimafouina wrote:

I don't understand, Miku is the real singer of the original song too, why don't write her name as artist and write the singer's name for a cover, it's illogical.

What bothers me, is that with my 5000 beatmaps, it's really not handy to find a song. When I search Vocaloid songs, I'm going to the name of the Vocaloid in the list, and I find all her songs. I never play Vocaloid songs with other artist names 'cause they are lost in the thousands of beatmaps....

Moreover, know the creator of the song is secondary for me, I think the most important information is the Vocaloid who sings.

Since I'm on Osu, the "mapper"/creator of the song was written in the "Source" field of the map, I think it's really much better like that and really much handy to find the map. Example : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19887

It' just my opinion, but I hope you will change your point of view on this question, 'cause that's really boring to find a map in those conditions...

That's why we have tags. Punch the string "hatsune miku" into the search bar, for example, and you return every map with "hatsune miku" in its metadata.

ultimafouina wrote:

I use the search only when I know the map I want.

those wrote:

If you have enough reason to change this rule, please start a new thread in this forum.

ultimafouina wrote:

I think it's quite unreadable now, the recent Vocaloid tracks are invisible now.

When you see this map : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/32565 you can eventually think that is a Miku song thanks to the picture (even if the Append voice is distrubing), but when you see this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/49455 you're very strong if you guess it's a Miku song whithout listen it.
And that's it for every Vocaloid song since this rule, for example this one : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/58736 I wasn't expecting a Gumi song.
Or with this one : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48368 with the new rule, we can think it's a new Souzou Forest map sung by IA, with yuikonnu as composer ..... but it's a cover...

That and what I was saying earlier. For your question, I have 5408 beatmaps, it's less than you, ok, but it's enough to be the mess if this is disorganized .
Ok there are a search function, but it's much handy to go to the Miku's block in the map list. When you have this habit, you only play with the maps in this block, so I think it's a pity to add an useless rule like that.

Sathron wrote:

What a silly change... Put the creator either in the tags or the source! It's the vocaloid that sings it after all, right?...

Sathron wrote:

What a silly change... Put the creator either in the tags or the source! It's the vocaloid that sings it after all, right?...

a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer: a mime artist; an artist of the dance.

(Music, other) a person who plays or composes music, esp as a profession

a person who sings, especially a trained or professional vocalist.

One that causes, creates, or initiates; a maker.
a person, group, etc., that creates, issues, or originates something

darkmiz wrote:

arken1015 wrote:

At lest, we should have respect for composers of these songs...

We should also have respect for the illustrators/PV makers/Audio mastering engineers of these songs.
niconico lists these tags for this song: VOCALOID takamatt 456 かごめP GUMI 鏡音レン
I think all should be added in osu! tag information.

Sakura wrote:

Sathron wrote:

What a silly change... Put the creator either in the tags or the source! It's the vocaloid that sings it after all, right?...

Vocaloid is an instrument created by the program Vocaloid (or is it Vocaloid 2?), There's no real singer in the song, so like instrumental songs, you use the composer as an artist.

Sakura wrote:

Vocaloid is an instrument created by the program Vocaloid (or is it Vocaloid 2?), There's no real singer in the song, so like instrumental songs, you use the composer as an artist.

Sakura wrote:

Sathron wrote:

What a silly change... Put the creator either in the tags or the source! It's the vocaloid that sings it after all, right?...

Vocaloid is an instrument created by the program Vocaloid (or is it Vocaloid 2?), There's no real singer in the song, so like instrumental songs, you use the composer as an artist.

Sakura wrote:

@NatsumeRin: it is about what peppy mentioned

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those wrote:

Because p/1767683

Tanzklaue wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Vocaloid is an instrument created by the program Vocaloid (or is it Vocaloid 2?), There's no real singer in the song, so like instrumental songs, you use the composer as an artist.

which is stupid, because nobody on the whole wide world considers the creator as the artist.
I don't think that you should consider Vocaloid as an instrument, it's a voice, and as such the program itself is much more of an artist than in normal synthesizers.
also, the songlisting will get messed up. you have one composer, but 5 different vocaloid, while you searched for example for all miku songs

this whole rule is just confusing, and complicated. it really should be the other way around, since most of us know the vocaloids, but not the composers.

peppy wrote:

Please use tags to show vocaloid specifics.

Dolphin wrote:

But hold on for a moment. Does this also count for UTAU characters? (like Kasane Teto, Fuuga Koto etc.)

OzzyOzrock wrote:

Dolphin wrote:

But hold on for a moment. Does this also count for UTAU characters? (like Kasane Teto, Fuuga Koto etc.)

this those fictional characters create the song?

Natteke wrote:

Huh, well, Justin Bieber doesn't compose the song, but he's the artist. If you're gonna aply this to vocaloid songs, why not apply it to EVERY other song as well? 95% of the time singer is mentioned as ARTIST because it makes more sense.