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[Rule] Showing composer into artist for VOCALOID songs
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Wouldn't it work to put Hatsune Miku in the source, cause the fact that Hatsune Miku is used is the fact that its popular (reason for source?). If I want to group like songs together I just put them in a subfolder of Songs.
As long as we get better tag searching and support, sure.
I still want "sakuzyo hatsune miku" to find all songs with those tags in the tags and or artist, and not just search for the exact match.
Will old maps be grandfathered in with osz2 or will they be changed?
I still want "sakuzyo hatsune miku" to find all songs with those tags in the tags and or artist, and not just search for the exact match.
Will old maps be grandfathered in with osz2 or will they be changed?
Searching "miku hatsune" should pick up "hatsune miku"Sakura Hana wrote:
Maybe if we could make tags between quotation marks "Hatsune Miku" work as a single tag that has a space on it.
A typical title of a vocaloid song in nico is like 【GUMI】シルバーバレット【虹原ぺぺろん】, could be devided into 3 parts.
1. The vocaloid used
2. Song title
3. The producer's name/PV included/original/(maybe something i forget)
As we can see, 1 & 2 is nearly 100% followed as a rule, so why can't we put Miku or GUMI as artist here? in this system, composers are put into source so people could still know them at the time they decide to download. Also it's the way i support the most.
"feat." would also be fine imo but in fact there're few examples using a format like this.... (i could only remember that sasakure.UK once used this format...)
But only put Miku/GUMI in the tags won't be a good idea, it goes a totally different way with nico/youtube.
1. The vocaloid used
2. Song title
3. The producer's name/PV included/original/(maybe something i forget)
As we can see, 1 & 2 is nearly 100% followed as a rule, so why can't we put Miku or GUMI as artist here? in this system, composers are put into source so people could still know them at the time they decide to download. Also it's the way i support the most.
"feat." would also be fine imo but in fact there're few examples using a format like this.... (i could only remember that sasakure.UK once used this format...)
But only put Miku/GUMI in the tags won't be a good idea, it goes a totally different way with nico/youtube.
Just pointing out that there is no reference to "Megpoid" in the typical title. You have to know that GUMI is Megpoid GUMI, and not some other GUMI. "Megpoid" would almost certainly be in the tags.NatsumeRin wrote:
A typical title of a vocaloid song in nico is like 【GUMI】シルバーバレット【虹原ぺぺろん】, could be devided into 3 parts
This is a good idea. Showing composer in the Source is very goodkanpakyin wrote:
As I have seen.Most of the composer of the song was written to the source.So we can know who is the composer.
like this:
hum?
i agree to all but if u think of a composer...that is ok for me...it doesnt mind at all.
I just want to say that we should come to a standard with this thread before forcing anyone to change the artist and source of their song. I don't want people all having different standards and enforcing these mixed standards.
I've seen something like this: 'Cosmo@BousouP feat. Hatsune Miku'. Mabe too long?
The general thing for current vocaloid videos (on both nico and youtube) is the vocaloid used should be put in a very obvious place.
Also personally I don't mind a long name there.
Also personally I don't mind a long name there.
I sgugested somethign similar on page 2, so I guess this is probably going to be the accepted format, but I think some people are still against having the vocaloid's name anywhere in the artist field. (Also, there are probably a few other issues that I forgot to mention from thee other pages)lepidopodus wrote:
I've seen something like this: 'Cosmo@BousouP feat. Hatsune Miku'. Mabe too long?
I don't see anyone with an against attitude if we use feat. format....blissfulyoshi wrote:
I sgugested somethign similar on page 2, so I guess this is probably going to be the accepted format, but I think some people are still against having the vocaloid's name anywhere in the artist field. (Also, there are probably a few other issues that I forgot to mention from thee other pages)
ziin's "2 or more artist" would also be a good idea.
I have a minor problem with long names.
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/316633
The only thing I want is a better search.
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/316633
The only thing I want is a better search.
>Composer as source as in Cosmos for example, source there is "otetsu" which is the composer
M2.ziin wrote:
The only thing I want is a better search.
Bump this up. We need to get a consistent way of doing this, seeing how this was left unresolved and is appearing both ways.
Just quoting peppy here from earlier:
09:40 <peppy> the company behind vocaloid prohibits using the name Hatsune Miku as artist
09:40 <peppy> or even feat.
09:40 <peppy> unless you get licensing from them
I don't think this should change, you can see clearly the vocaloid artist that made the song in the top left corner while selecting a beatmap
does this mean we have to change already existing Beatmaps?Sakura wrote:
Just quoting peppy here from earlier:09:40 <peppy> the company behind vocaloid prohibits using the name Hatsune Miku as artist
09:40 <peppy> or even feat.
09:40 <peppy> unless you get licensing from them
Any artist/title issues on already ranked maps will have to wait until osz2, so that they can be changed without requiring a redownload
Yes we are aware of it, there was an error in the source or something and when we were discussing it, was when we decided to come back to this thread.SkyDevil wrote:
new beatmap has KuroUsa-p as artist instead of Hatsune Miku
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55941
Ammending this, since i forgot earlier, my bad
Also to clarify this will affect all pending/wip/graveyarded maps regardless of submission date, Ranked/Approved can be fixed later when osz2 is out anyways.
The reason for this is that it's only an artist change, and doesnt require any gameplay changes on said maps or any extra mapping work. However changing it on an already ranked map would require all players the need to redownload the map.
Also to clarify this will affect all pending/wip/graveyarded maps regardless of submission date, Ranked/Approved can be fixed later when osz2 is out anyways.
The reason for this is that it's only an artist change, and doesnt require any gameplay changes on said maps or any extra mapping work. However changing it on an already ranked map would require all players the need to redownload the map.
Moved to correct subboard.
I think the utaite / cover artist should be labeled because, with Vocaloid composers, it would be implied that a Vocaloid was used.
Also, multiple people make covers of the same song, so it would be really confusing if all the covers were labeled with the composer.
Also, multiple people make covers of the same song, so it would be really confusing if all the covers were labeled with the composer.
Throwing this in here because it'll probably be ignored in the other thread.
Example of a typical VOCALOID song uploaded on niconico douga:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18925604
niconico lists these tags for this song: VOCALOID takamatt 456 かごめP GUMI 鏡音レン
These information are displayed above the video:
【GUMI・鏡音レン】 ドラゴンライジング 【オリジナル曲】
【GUMI・Kagamine Len】 Dragon Rising 【Original Song】
(VOCALOID library used) (Song name)
詞・曲：takamatt mylist/15101277
(Lyrics and Composer)
イラスト：456 mylist/32823152
(Illustrator, PV maker)
マスタリング：かごめＰ mylist/13631314
(Audio Mastering)
niconico lists these tags for this song: VOCALOID takamatt 456 かごめP GUMI 鏡音レン
I think all should be added in osu! tag information.
Currently it is common for a mapper to use/steal background pictures from sites such as pixiv without permission or citing the illustrator. People could use more respect.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18925604
niconico lists these tags for this song: VOCALOID takamatt 456 かごめP GUMI 鏡音レン
These information are displayed above the video:
【GUMI・鏡音レン】 ドラゴンライジング 【オリジナル曲】
【GUMI・Kagamine Len】 Dragon Rising 【Original Song】
(VOCALOID library used) (Song name)
詞・曲：takamatt mylist/15101277
(Lyrics and Composer)
イラスト：456 mylist/32823152
(Illustrator, PV maker)
マスタリング：かごめＰ mylist/13631314
(Audio Mastering)
We should also have respect for the illustrators/PV makers/Audio mastering engineers of these songs.arken1015 wrote:
At lest, we should have respect for composers of these songs...
niconico lists these tags for this song: VOCALOID takamatt 456 かごめP GUMI 鏡音レン
I think all should be added in osu! tag information.
Currently it is common for a mapper to use/steal background pictures from sites such as pixiv without permission or citing the illustrator. People could use more respect.
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Well, I would write only the name of the singer of that Vocaloid cover song in artist.kurohana wrote:
Hi ~
One question: What should we write at 'artist' at a covered Vocaloid song?
For example this
this
this
If that already has been discussed, I'm sorry >.<
Because in that case, He/She is the real singer and not the creator of the song anyway.
Well, I would write only the name of the singer of that Vocaloid cover song in artist.I don't understand, Miku is the real singer of the original song too, why don't write her name as artist and write the singer's name for a cover, it's illogical.
Because in that case, He/She is the real singer and not the creator of the song anyway.
What bothers me, is that with my 5000 beatmaps, it's really not handy to find a song. When I search Vocaloid songs, I'm going to the name of the Vocaloid in the list, and I find all her songs. I never play Vocaloid songs with other artist names 'cause they are lost in the thousands of beatmaps....
Moreover, know the creator of the song is secondary for me, I think the most important information is the Vocaloid who sings.
Since I'm on Osu, the "mapper"/creator of the song was written in the "Source" field of the map, I think it's really much better like that and really much handy to find the map. Example : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19887
It' just my opinion, but I hope you will change your point of view on this question, 'cause that's really boring to find a map in those conditions...
That's why we have tags. Punch the string "hatsune miku" into the search bar, for example, and you return every map with "hatsune miku" in its metadata.ultimafouina wrote:
I don't understand, Miku is the real singer of the original song too, why don't write her name as artist and write the singer's name for a cover, it's illogical.
What bothers me, is that with my 5000 beatmaps, it's really not handy to find a song. When I search Vocaloid songs, I'm going to the name of the Vocaloid in the list, and I find all her songs. I never play Vocaloid songs with other artist names 'cause they are lost in the thousands of beatmaps....
Moreover, know the creator of the song is secondary for me, I think the most important information is the Vocaloid who sings.
Since I'm on Osu, the "mapper"/creator of the song was written in the "Source" field of the map, I think it's really much better like that and really much handy to find the map. Example : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19887
It' just my opinion, but I hope you will change your point of view on this question, 'cause that's really boring to find a map in those conditions...
That's why we have tags. Punch the string "hatsune miku" into the search bar, for example, and you return every map with "hatsune miku" in its metadata.Yes, I know, but I think it's more handy to have similar maps together. I use the search only when I know the map I want.
Moreover, when you search by tags, you find some bullshits. Like searching "hatsune miku", I find that : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/43409 WTF?!
I currently have 15496 beatmaps available. What about you?ultimafouina wrote:
I use the search only when I know the map I want.
Anyway, derailing. If you have enough reason to change this rule, please start a new thread in this forum.
i don't play vocaloid so don't know how much the rule affected but ..hmm..
generally we use singer but not composer as artist if there's vocal , e.g. we will use "Avril Lavegne" as the artist of the song "Take me away" but not "Evan Taubenfeld", despite vocaloid is not exactly the same, i suppose choose singer as artist is always fine.
why not consider the format like "Megpoid Gumi feats mikitoP" ?
generally we use singer but not composer as artist if there's vocal , e.g. we will use "Avril Lavegne" as the artist of the song "Take me away" but not "Evan Taubenfeld", despite vocaloid is not exactly the same, i suppose choose singer as artist is always fine.
why not consider the format like "Megpoid Gumi feats mikitoP" ?
I think Scorpiour is right ._.
Vocaloid is different from regular music. It's a program used as an instrument, and composers can use multiple Vocaloids. When composers release an album, it's tagged under them rather than the Vocaloid.
Ok, but why this rule was accepted? Because we're not allowed to wrote a Vocaloid as artist or because Peppy thinks it's better to write the composer's name?those wrote:
If you have enough reason to change this rule, please start a new thread in this forum.
'Cause if we're not allowed, that would be useless to create a new thread about the same thing.
What a silly change... Put the creator either in the tags or the source! It's the vocaloid that sings it after all, right?...
I think it's quite unreadable now, the recent Vocaloid tracks are invisible now.
When you see this map : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/32565 you can eventually think that is a Miku song thanks to the picture (even if the Append voice is distrubing), but when you see this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/49455 you're very strong if you guess it's a Miku song whithout listen it.
And that's it for every Vocaloid song since this rule, for example this one : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/58736 I wasn't expecting a Gumi song.
Or with this one : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48368 with the new rule, we can think it's a new Souzou Forest map sung by IA, with yuikonnu as composer ..... but it's a cover...
That and what I was saying earlier. For your question, I have 5408 beatmaps, it's less than you, ok, but it's enough to be the mess if this is disorganized .
Ok there are a search function, but it's much handy to go to the Miku's block in the map list. When you have this habit, you only play with the maps in this block, so I think it's a pity to add an useless rule like that.
When you see this map : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/32565 you can eventually think that is a Miku song thanks to the picture (even if the Append voice is distrubing), but when you see this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/49455 you're very strong if you guess it's a Miku song whithout listen it.
And that's it for every Vocaloid song since this rule, for example this one : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/58736 I wasn't expecting a Gumi song.
Or with this one : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48368 with the new rule, we can think it's a new Souzou Forest map sung by IA, with yuikonnu as composer ..... but it's a cover...
That and what I was saying earlier. For your question, I have 5408 beatmaps, it's less than you, ok, but it's enough to be the mess if this is disorganized .
Ok there are a search function, but it's much handy to go to the Miku's block in the map list. When you have this habit, you only play with the maps in this block, so I think it's a pity to add an useless rule like that.