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Kagamine Len - PONPONPON (Short Ver.)

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mochi
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on September-24-11 at 7:59:28 PM

Artist: Kagamine Len
Title: PONPONPON (Short Ver.)
Tags: kyary pamyu capsule vocaloid
BPM: 128
Filesize: 2225kb
Play Time: 00:54
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard (4.83 stars, 149 notes)
  2. Normal (3.18 stars, 72 notes)
Download: Kagamine Len - PONPONPON (Short Ver.)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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ponponpon

graveyard please :3
Elly-chan
Hey There :D *IRC modded diff settings, re-checked timing (it was right), and talked about the Distance spacing*
KoHaRuN_old
Mod End~

Nomal
00:19:638(3)1grid↓

Hard
00:43:545(1)

Might fit more neatly


I felt really beautiful maps
Is hard to find a place where the reverse shift:D
I think because there was no really good map only this strange place


m4m thank you!
がんばってください!
Topic Starter
mochi

KoHaRuN wrote:

Mod End~

Nomal
00:19:638(3)1grid↓ no

Hard
00:43:545(1)
[attachment=0:5b26e]screenshot149.jpg[/attachment:5b26e]
Might fit more neatly fixed


I felt really beautiful maps
Is hard to find a place where the reverse shift:D
I think because there was no really good map only this strange place thanks!


m4m thank you!
がんばってください!
thank you for modding :)
Leorda
PONPONPONPONPON. Anyway, hi

General
* Using half-song for kiai is bad. I suggest you to begin at 00:17:295
* Ummmm, 2 diff with short MP3 is kinda boring, add 1 more diff?
* Why there is no Kagamine Len BG? D:
* I think "vocaloid" should add on tags...

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Normal
* AR +2 or +3?

00:35:107 (2) - End this at 00:35:576. Just my feeling though
00:45:654 (2) - 0,5x slider should be avoid in normal mode, because it makes newbies go confusing

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Hard
* OMG!!! kanpakyin in the BG!!!

00:36:045 (1) - Remove new combo?
00:36:513 (2) - New combo?

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I can't find something wrong :(

EDIT : add some tags issue
Topic Starter
mochi
SPOILER

Leorda wrote:

PONPONPONPONPON. Anyway, hi

General
* Using half-song for kiai is bad. I suggest you to begin at 00:17:295 no
* Ummmm, 2 diff with short MP3 is kinda boring, add 1 more diff? no
* Why there is no Kagamine Len BG? D: i think either can work
* I think "vocaloid" should add on tags... it's already in the tags ._.

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Normal
* AR +2 or +3? no

00:35:107 (2) - End this at 00:35:576. Just my feeling though no
00:45:654 (2) - 0,5x slider should be avoid in normal mode, because it makes newbies go confusing no

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Hard
* OMG!!! kanpakyin in the BG!!!

00:36:045 (1) - Remove new combo? ok
00:36:513 (2) - New combo? ok

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I can't find something wrong :(

EDIT : add some tags issue
thanks for modding
Aleks719
General
I get offset 2290 , (-5ms from yours)
Your kiai time longer than half of the song, imo it's too much :S
Ah, also you don't have a diff under 3 stars ;D

Hard
only one thing :
00:14:482 (3,4,5) - i thought it's 1/4 in the 1st try, it was a bit confused. But on the 2nd all was fine. Increase spacing a bit here, if you can ^^

Normal
Set slider tickrate 2, like in Hard, imo, fits better
AR -1, AR5 looks so fast :S
00:49:404 - add note + clap?
To be honest, I'm not sure in slowdown in Normal. Don't see a reason for it.

Star :D
Topic Starter
mochi
SPOILER

Aleks719 wrote:

General
I get offset 2290 , (-5ms from yours) i'll wait until more ppl mod
Your kiai time longer than half of the song, imo it's too much :S that's how long the chorus is =.=
Ah, also you don't have a diff under 3 stars ;D normal is extremely easy and straight forward... star system is flawed

Hard
only one thing :
00:14:482 (3,4,5) - i thought it's 1/4 in the 1st try, it was a bit confused. But on the 2nd all was fine. Increase spacing a bit here, if you can ^^ no

Normal
Set slider tickrate 2, like in Hard, imo, fits better fixed
AR -1, AR5 looks so fast :S ok
00:49:404 - add note + clap? no
To be honest, I'm not sure in slowdown in Normal. Don't see a reason for it. because the vocals slow down on that part

Star :D
thanks for modding
pieguyn
General:

-Tick rate 1?
-half the song is kiai, perhaps remove some? :?

Normal:

Fine

Hard:

-AR 8?
-This seems quite hard for a [Hard] due to the jumps+streams, I'd recommend placing a diff in between..

00:14:482 (3,4,5) - for a [Hard], this seems out of place, perhaps space it out a bit?
Topic Starter
mochi
SPOILER

pieguy1372 wrote:

General:

-Tick rate 1? no
-half the song is kiai, perhaps remove some? :? no

Normal:

Fine

Hard:

-AR 8? no
-This seems quite hard for a [Hard] due to the jumps+streams, I'd recommend placing a diff in between.. the bpm is so slow... if i can DT this, i don't think it's an insane

00:14:482 (3,4,5) - for a [Hard], this seems out of place, perhaps space it out a bit? no
thanks for modding
L_P
yeah, thanks for your mod

i strongly felt that you might need to edit the song....the beat is very loud haha

4.83
first slider got only one point...not saying ugly, but you can make it better.
00:14:482 (3,4,5) - i hate this anti jump
00:24:795 (1) - same thing with the 1st one
00:34:873 - add note, could make a jump also
00:49:170 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - at first, to me that is weird. but for the second time it looks quite fine..but i remind you, it is still awkward spacing.

normal
00:14:013 (2) - this is a rare shape in normal
00:38:857 (2) - something like this?http://puu.sh/5ZSl
00:49:170 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - for normal, i think that you could follow the clap, stacking the note. suggestion only

generally, quite solid,nothing bad, but you HAVE to do your best to make a almost 5star diff. to make this being "concerned", right?
please star my map if you like it, something good will happen to you too haha
shikyu
hmm.... I think it's good enough, don'r see major mistake. But for hard spacings too hard even for slow song.
al2e10
From WMF queue ~~~

=.=That song is tooooo short
And I can stat the only thing is

- The kiai time is over half of the song
^^^ That unrankable ^^^

Just change them and MAT plz =]

Good luck
Topic Starter
mochi
SPOILER

L_P wrote:

yeah, thanks for your mod

i strongly felt that you might need to edit the song....the beat is very loud haha

4.83
first slider got only one point...not saying ugly, but you can make it better. o_o
00:14:482 (3,4,5) - i hate this anti jump oh well
00:24:795 (1) - same thing with the 1st one ...
00:34:873 - add note, could make a jump also no
00:49:170 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - at first, to me that is weird. but for the second time it looks quite fine..but i remind you, it is still awkward spacing.

normal
00:14:013 (2) - this is a rare shape in normal not really...
00:38:857 (2) - something like this?http://puu.sh/5ZSl why?
00:49:170 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - for normal, i think that you could follow the clap, stacking the note. suggestion only no

generally, quite solid,nothing bad, but you HAVE to do your best to make a almost 5star diff. to make this being "concerned", right?
please star my map if you like it, something good will happen to you too haha

SPOILER

shikyu wrote:

hmm.... I think it's good enough, don'r see major mistake. But for hard spacings too hard even for slow song.

SPOILER

KingsAL2 wrote:

From WMF queue ~~~

=.=That song is tooooo short
And I can stat the only thing is

- The kiai time is over half of the song
^^^ That unrankable ^^^ The rules/guidelines page doesn't say it's unrankable.

Just change them and MAT plz =]

Good luck
thanks for modding.
no changes made.
merchat7
As requested,
As there doesn't seem to be any errors in this map, I will try to give you idea to make your beatmap a bit more interesting.

[General]

Look fines, Normal feel easy enough for the easiest difficulty.

[Normal]

- 1.2x distant snapping will let you make more interesting patterns
- Generally not recommended to have a slider speed change in the easiest difficulty

00:07:920 (1,2,3,4) - Try a hexagon pattern http://puu.sh/61Pn Tweak it a little more so it look better than in the picture.
00:11:670 (1,2) - I like this more http://puu.sh/61PX. You will have to adjust the next combo through.
00:22:920 (1,2,3,4) - http://puu.sh/61Qp Nicer flow.
00:26:670 (1,2) - Boring pattern, try something like this http://puu.sh/61QN
00:49:638 (2,1,2) - Straight sliders, can you try something more interesting?
00:52:920 (2,1.2.3.4) - Pentagon pattern instead, you will have to adjust the section a bit in order to do this http://puu.sh/61Rj.

1.2x distant snapping would help make it easier to make interesting patterns, so consider it.

[Hard]

00:06:982 (3,4,5) - Make this jump smoother, something like this http://puu.sh/61RT. Better flow as well.
00:07:920 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^ Similarly http://puu.sh/61Si Try something like this and tweak it a bit.
00:14:482 (3.4.5) - Any reason why you want to keep this anti jump? If you want to keep this "feel." I suggest a repeating slider. If not, space it out / make it a jump.
00:22:290 (1.2.3.4.5) - Reduce the spacing just a little bit. Easiest way is using the scale tool (ctrl+shift+s) Reduce to 0.9x.
00:51:045 (1) - Ugly slider, fix it to make your beatmap look nicer.

I don't really have any problem with the jumps except some could be smoother and one jump was a bit too much for my taste (all mentioned in my mod).

I'll star if you can come up with more interesting patterns in the part that i mention in Normal and make jumps smoother in Hard.

Also, if you do not apply a mod, please tell me why not. For example, No, because (insert reason here). Good luck!

Edit: Hmm, since no change in Normal, can't star, sorry.
Topic Starter
mochi
SPOILER

merchat7 wrote:

As requested,
As there doesn't seem to be any errors in this map, I will try to give you idea to make your beatmap a bit more interesting.

[General]

Look fines, Normal feel easy enough for the easiest difficulty.

[Normal]

- 1.2x distant snapping will let you make more interesting patterns
- Generally not recommended to have a slider speed change in the easiest difficulty

00:07:920 (1,2,3,4) - Try a hexagon pattern http://puu.sh/61Pn Tweak it a little more so it look better than in the picture. i think the current pattern looks good
00:11:670 (1,2) - I like this more http://puu.sh/61PX. You will have to adjust the next combo through. i like the parallel pattern better
00:22:920 (1,2,3,4) - http://puu.sh/61Qp Nicer flow. maybe, but i prefer to have a pattern
00:26:670 (1,2) - Boring pattern, try something like this http://puu.sh/61QN no
00:49:638 (2,1,2) - Straight sliders, can you try something more interesting? i like it the way it is
00:52:920 (2,1.2.3.4) - Pentagon pattern instead, you will have to adjust the section a bit in order to do this http://puu.sh/61Rj. i like it the way it is

1.2x distant snapping would help make it easier to make interesting patterns, so consider it.

[Hard]

00:06:982 (3,4,5) - Make this jump smoother, something like this http://puu.sh/61RT. Better flow as well. i like it the way it is
00:07:920 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^ Similarly http://puu.sh/61Si Try something like this and tweak it a bit. didn't use your pattern, but changed it so that the spacing slowly returns to 1.00
00:14:482 (3.4.5) - Any reason why you want to keep this anti jump? If you want to keep this "feel." I suggest a repeating slider. If not, space it out / make it a jump. i don't really know why... i guess i'll change it since others question this too
00:22:290 (1.2.3.4.5) - Reduce the spacing just a little bit. Easiest way is using the scale tool (ctrl+shift+s) Reduce to 0.9x. reduced to 0.92x
00:51:045 (1) - Ugly slider, fix it to make your beatmap look nicer. what?

I don't really have any problem with the jumps except some could be smoother and one jump was a bit too much for my taste (all mentioned in my mod).

I'll star if you can come up with more interesting patterns in the part that i mention in Normal and make jumps smoother in Hard.
i didn't change normal so :P

Also, if you do not apply a mod, please tell me why not. For example, No, because (insert reason here). Good luck!
you're making my life more difficult rawr!
thanks for modding
bmin11
Song without an intro? weird

[General]
Huge gap between [Hard] and [Normal]. [Hard] is more of an [Insane] as well. I suggest you map another [Hard]. Shouldn't take you much time since the song is short. I also suggest mapping [Easy] if you have time. Always nice to have an easy difficulty :D

[Hard]
00:45:654 (2) - It's hard to tell you modified the slider speed. I suggest you to increase the gap for those nodes so it's more recognizable

[Normal]
00:45:654 (2) - This slow down can really hurt those new players. Specially, this is the easiest difficulty. I really suggest you to lower the tick rate or map [Easy].


That's all from me. Good luck!
Topic Starter
mochi
SPOILER

bmin11 wrote:

Song without an intro? weird

[General]
Huge gap between [Hard] and [Normal]. [Hard] is more of an [Insane] as well. I suggest you map another [Hard]. Shouldn't take you much time since the song is short. I also suggest mapping [Easy] if you have time. Always nice to have an easy difficulty :D I can several hard difficulties more difficult than this

[Hard]
00:45:654 (2) - It's hard to tell you modified the slider speed. I suggest you to increase the gap for those nodes so it's more recognizable If players can't tell the slider speed changed with 6nodes on such a short slider... disappointed

[Normal]
00:45:654 (2) - This slow down can really hurt those new players. Specially, this is the easiest difficulty. I really suggest you to lower the tick rate or map [Easy]. The slider velocity is slow to begin with... so the 50% decrease doesn't make a huge difference


That's all from me. Good luck!
thanks for modding
wmfchris
modding here. sorry for a late one.

[General]
-In a vocaloid song we expect a vocaloid BG, didn't you?
-Tag vocaloid2
-Even though this song is very short, you can't kiai 50% of the whole song
-just a self opinion, normal whistle + music sounds like a random noise effect, and why soft whistle is a whistle+clap :/

and the content is technically nice enough with symmetrical stuffs and standard clappings, though the normal part is a bit noisy for me.

P.S.
[Hard]
00:45:654 (2) - It's hard to tell you modified the slider speed. I suggest you to increase the gap for those nodes so it's more recognizable If players can't tell the slider speed changed with 6nodes on such a short slider... disappointed
A note here, the slider is a bit risky for violating "apparent SV shouldn't be changed by any means except changed by timing points", though I agree that it can be identified.
L_P
cant imagine you came from the country same as holysoup...
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