forum

Mafia Game [Town Win]

posted
Total Posts
676
show more
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You have a point there, Chris. If we were both mafia, why would he not be helping me? ..but you know what strikes me as odd? You're helping me, and if your statement is true, then why are you helping the mafia? ..Okay, that isn't helping turn my case around, but still, I'm sure you get my point.
Chris_old

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

You have a point there, Chris. If we were both mafia, why would he not be helping me? ..but you know what strikes me as odd? You're helping me, and if your statement is true, then why are you helping the mafia? ..Okay, that isn't helping turn my case around, but still, I'm sure you get my point.
because defending someone else usually shows you've aligned somehow if the accusation isn't really stupid to begin with

you're new so you're more likely to play worse which means if he defends you and you turn up mafia, all suspicion is probably gonna lead right to him

also I never claimed you were mafia, I just said it was a possibility

are you trying to roleclaim
Lybydose
he's like an injured dog, the closer you corner him the more aggressive he's gonna get
so you're trying to defend him then? You clearly don't want him to become cornered (and thus act aggressive). Why? He your mafia buddy or something? Why aren't you questioning me for not voting swiftwolf to save myself?
Chris_old

Lybydose wrote:

he's like an injured dog, the closer you corner him the more aggressive he's gonna get
so you're trying to defend him then? You clearly don't want him to become cornered (and thus act aggressive). Why? He your mafia buddy or something? Why aren't you questioning me for not voting swiftwolf to save myself?
I did question you for not voting him ^ read up

and I'm just pointing out the obvious
akrolsmir
I would totally vote Swifttail right now, except meta apparently excuses him? (rantai, I looked through both Mind Games, he didn't seem to be in there)
---

ninja'd like five times.

You're helping me, and if your statement is true, then why are you helping the mafia?
Unvote, vote Swift
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Akrol: He meant the Less Experimental Mafia game.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..also, guess I'm heading to a dead-end yet again. Woohoo.
akrolsmir
You know, if you gave up less often you might have a shot at making it to day 2. Might.
Sleep Powder
Lyb/Doc: Hmm, your actions seem to be pretty pro-town. Based on the last few posts... I'm not really suspicious of you so...

unvote

VashWolf: You're getting too worked up about people accusing you of being suspicious/mafia. I don't recommend roleclaiming on Day 1
unless you have a role that would benefit from that in some way. You're playing the same way as the last game and I think if you were mafia you would have at least changed your playstyle knowing your previous one made you suspicious. Neutral

Chris: Uggh, your posts remind me of Two except not as egocentric and obnoxious.

I'll see what I have on everyone else later...
Rolled
I'm glad RVS ended, but it seems like whatever period we are in now is less productive.

What the fuck is going on.
pieguyn
unvote

I don't think we can tell anything from this situation. This is exactly what Swiftwolf did last time, and he was still town. As a result, we can't say Swiftwolf is mafia from this... At this point, I don't think anyone accusing him is mafia either.

Also, I thought we needed 8 votes for a lynch (15/2, rounded up). :? IMO, it's a bit too early to worry about who takes priority over who in a lynch... :?

vote: NoHItter. I have a gut feeling he's mafia (though I'm not sure about some of the more inactive players). >.<
foulcoon
I'm really confused about people saying like "if Swift votes Lyby hes saving himself from a lynch" How many fucking votes do you think you need for a lynch? 4? lol...

Anyways as far as suspicion goes I'm leaning towards voting Swift because hes being a tard clown. Sorry for taking it lightly, but your defense is awful. Not only did you draw so much attention to yourself, but you make it worse with every post.

tl;dr - chill out Swift. It's day 1. RVs fly around first day of every mafia game. If you're not mafia this game then you're just a bad player and shouldn't join anymore games.

you know what, fuck leaning.

Vote: Swift
NoHitter
Unvote

Attempting some set-up speculation.
Given 15 players, I think we should expect three to four scum, and perhaps one SK? We could also have other Independent roles.
Thoughts?

Now we have Swift and his overreaction to a RVS vote. His antics are similar to that of Less Experimental Mafia 2, except then was refusing to answer RQS. He also made many logic fails in regards to his defense.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

You don't have any proof that I'm scum, or even suspicious. And don't bring up what's already been brought up, that doesn't work.

Chris wrote:

Swifttail is super defensive over random votes and won't vote for lybydose to put them over the lynch mark
Where did this come from? How exactly is not voting for Lybydose = Lybydose and Swift being mafia?

Chris wrote:

so actually if you voted lybydose you'd be saving yourself from a lynch
Why are you suggesting a self-preservation vote this early in the Day?

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: NoHItter. I have a gut feeling he's mafia (though I'm not sure about some of the more inactive players). >.<
Yeah... I think you should use a more solid reason for voting someone.
pieguyn
I always vote on my gut day 1. It's just basic statistics, the less information you have the higher the sample variance is and the higher chance you will have a false positive with a lower critical value. As a result, on day 1 there really isn't enough information to make a substantiated claim unless someone does something really obvious = =//

I also found it somewhat suspicious how you didn't do RVS "because people didn't like it"...anything to get information is good IMO. Yes, RVS itself doesn't give much information, but it would have definitely started a conversation that could lead to information. (Though, I guess that doesn't matter much because a conversation started anyway... :?)

Personally, I still want to see more from the inactive people (Mashley, Rantai, DxS). ==
NoHitter

pieguy1372 wrote:

I always vote on my gut day 1. It's just basic statistics, the less information you have the higher the sample variance is and the higher chance you will have a false positive with a lower critical value. As a result, on day 1 there really isn't enough information to make a substantiated claim unless someone does something really obvious = =//
I think you should change your Day 1 voting scheme then. Using only your gut is a bad voting scheme.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I also found it somewhat suspicious how you didn't do RVS "because people didn't like it"...anything to get information is good IMO. Yes, RVS itself doesn't give much information, but it would have definitely started a conversation that could lead to information.
You mean RQS?
pieguyn
Oh, yeah I did mean RQS. Sorry :?

Also, in every game I played the person lynched D1 was lynched "because he was suspicious" and he was always town. This is just basic statistics at hand as I mentioned before, especially when you consider the mafia tries to NOT be suspicious... This is just my idea of how to play the game, and IMO it's worked a lot better than lynching town members who screw up, instead of actually showing signs of wanting to hinder town progress or mislead us. >.>
akrolsmir

pieguy1372 wrote:

I also found it somewhat suspicious how you didn't do RVS RQS "because people didn't like it"
I guess NoHitter just can't win. Also, just wondering, was your gut ever right? Since I recall you suspecting me in about every game.

---
Swift, instead of talking about yourself (which you don't seem to be very good at), how about you tell us who you think is suspicious?
pieguyn
It's been right before, but it's also been wrong lol :o

It's not like it matters much because after day 1 I usually don't vote by my gut feelings.
Rantai
Rawr, I'm awake now.

akrolsmir wrote:

I would totally vote Swifttail right now, except meta apparently excuses him? (rantai, I looked through both Mind Games, he didn't seem to be in there)
Opps, sorry not mind mafia. It was less experiment, I knew it was one of LS's games >.<

I was reading through all the posts and will be honest here, I have no clue what's going on. Part of me wants to shut out Swift's posts altogether (considering I had reread them a few times to try to understand what he was on about). Maybe I'm still groggy.

One thing I will say though - I don't think Swift and Lybydose are mafia buddies. As far as I can tell, the only lead that accusation was going on was the fact Swift was hesitant to vote Lybydose to save himself (and vice versa?).

If it were me, I wouldn't vote someone I didn't believe was anti-town (assuming I was town) based on the fact I wanted to save myself. Because the next day I would be dead from hammer accusations leading to 2 dead town (assuming both were town).
Rantai
And for the record I don't think Swift is mafia at this moment, just really... confusing.
Chris_old
self preservation above all d1

that's not hard to understand
Rantai
Well I guess that's your way of approaching D1. Even if it's naive, I still rather vote based on whatever information is presented in front of me instead of resorting to defensive votes.
NoHitter

Chris wrote:

self preservation above all d1

that's not hard to understand
Yes, but you don't self preservation vote until nearing the deadline.
Your vote indicates who you find suspicious.
By using it as self-preservation early on the game, you deprive that information.
Chris_old
there is no information on d1

self preservation above all, and you're both full of it if you had the last vote and wouldn't vote to save yourself
Rolled

NoHItter wrote:

Yes, but you don't self preservation vote until nearing the deadline.
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Yes, but you don't self preservation vote until nearing the deadline.
glad to know you're contributing
Chris_old
Chris: Uggh, your posts remind me of Two except not as egocentric and obnoxious.
aww thx for the compliment
Wojjan

pieguy1372 wrote:

Also, in every game I played the person lynched D1 was lynched "because he was suspicious" and he was always town. This is just basic statistics at hand as I mentioned before, especially when you consider the mafia tries to NOT be suspicious... This is just my idea of how to play the game, and IMO it's worked a lot better than lynching town members who screw up, instead of actually showing signs of wanting to hinder town progress or mislead us. >.>
Are you seriously suggesting to lynch for no reason because when we vote for a good reason they're usually town? What makes you think lynching on nothing will get a better chance at getting scum?

NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?
NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?
How did what pieguy make you think we're both scum?

@Chris
So you still think that one should prioritize self-preservation over information in voting long before the deadline?
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

there is no information on d1
This statement:Not always true
Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?
How did what pieguy make you think we're both scum?

@Chris
So you still think that one should prioritize self-preservation over information in voting long before the deadline?
yes for the third time

especially on d1 where votes are mostly random and bandwagons are common

there is no "information" to be gained, just speculating based off nothing because nothing has happened
Rolled
Everything in this game is speculations. You can't even take the information you receive from the host as fact, as you now know ^__^

With your logic, a vanilla townie would just RV the whole way through a mafia game. All they have is speculation.

I feel you're underestimating the usefulness and power of speculation, though.
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

Everything in this game is speculations. You can't even take the information you receive from the host as fact, as you now know ^__^

With your logic, a vanilla townie would just RV the whole way through a mafia game. All they have is speculation.

I feel you're underestimating the usefulness and power of speculation, though.
d1 d1 d1 d1 d1 d1 d1

did you read that yet
Rolled
So what's classified as information as opposed to speculation?
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

So what's classified as information as opposed to speculation?
anything that is confirmed
Rolled
Do you realize how little in mafia is confirmed? Nine times out of ten a decision must be made without previous confirmation on whether it's good or bad.

This is really derailing the thread though. I'm just showing flaws in your argument.
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

Do you realize how little in mafia is confirmed? Nine times out of ten a decision must be made without previous confirmation on whether it's good or bad.

This is really derailing the thread though. I'm just showing flaws in your argument.
my entire argument is based around d1

that's what you and everyone else seems to continue to ignore
Rolled
Nobody is arguing that information on d1 is generally lower than information in later days. What people are arguing is that there is no information to be gathered day 1.
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

Nobody is arguing that information on d1 is generally lower than information in later days. What people are arguing is that there is no information to be gathered day 1.
what information can you gather that is useful d1 other than roleclaims?

voting patterns and crap like that doesn't help till later
Rantai
And there lies the disagreement (that I have at least).

I see information as anything that can be used to read a player, whether that be 'speculation' or otherwise. At the very least it could help with choosing a D1 lynch as opposed to blindly picking or 'gut voting'.

.....Wow ninjas.
Rolled
yeah, what he said.
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

And there lies the disagreement (that I have at least).

I see information as anything that can be used to read a player, whether that be 'speculation' or otherwise. At the very least it could help with choosing a D1 lynch as opposed to blindly picking or 'gut voting'.

.....Wow ninjas.
anyone you lynch d1 is going to be lynched blindly 100% of the time unless they just claim mafia
Rolled
So are you suggesting that we do not have more information on you than we have against somebody who has posted 0 times?

This conversation is such a derailer so just admit you are wrong and be on with it.
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

So are you suggesting that we do not have more information on you than we have against somebody who has posted 0 times?

This conversation is such a derailer so just admit you are wrong and be on with it.
tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear this

it isn't derailing anything because there is no other conversations going on, and this is about mafia
Rolled
I gathered that you're bad at mafia
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

I gathered that you're bad at mafia
exactly, nothing

thanks for proving my point
Rolled
If a hypothetical situation arises in which a bus driver were to switch you with player x, and player x dies, it's more likely that you are a strongman rather than you shooting yourself anticipating my switch. Hypothetically.

See, I concluded that due to information I gathered on day 1.
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

If a hypothetical situation arises in which a bus driver were to switch you with player x, and player x dies, it's more likely that you are a strongman rather than you shooting yourself anticipating my switch. Hypothetically.

See, I concluded that due to information I gathered on day 1.
I think you've got your games switched up
LadySuburu
Vote: Mashley basically is gut
Rantai

Chris wrote:

tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear this
Well you could say I've gathered that you don't believe anything that is unconfirmed as useful :P

Which is fine, we're all entitled to our own opinion.

But also, my initial thoughts of you back when you were fueling the fires under Swift and Lybydose was "why are you doing this?"

So yes, what were you hoping to find/achieve with that? Somehow I don't think your intention was for them to vote each other.
Wojjan
well Hitter assume you're both mafs for a second. pieguy knows you're maf and votes you as a "gut feeling" which wow chigga wow boom bang he's a maf! pieguy definitely looks town now, lynching a maf D1!

also you are reacting worse than swift
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

Chris wrote:

tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear this
Well you could say I've gathered that you don't believe anything that is unconfirmed as useful :P

Which is fine, we're all entitled to our own opinion.

But also, my initial thoughts of you back when you were fueling the fires under Swift and Lybydose was "why are you doing this?"

So yes, what were you hoping to find/achieve with that? Somehow I don't think your intention was for them to vote each other.
I was wondering why neither swift or lybydose was voting for each other if it would of made such a significant difference in how many extra votes they would of needed to be lynched.

it made no sense so it's only natural to put out the possibility that they are both indeed mafia

you notice swift has still yet to vote even after being at the top of the list, when he could of saved himself before

lybydose never voted to ensure his survival either
Chris_old
also it's not that I believe anything unconfirmed is useless, I just believe that there is very little to gain from what happens d1 until later on in the game

d1 lynch is always gonna end up being for the most part random, maybe because of a wrong choice of words or just a really overly defensive attitude like swift

but it will never be based on anything that's a for sure thing
Rantai
To be honest, I would have thought voting last minute would have been the smarter way to do so because voting the person with the most/second most votes would've raised a few eyebrows. Especially if it was only based on saving themselves.
Topic Starter
Two_old
Vote Count

Swiftwolf Yellowtail (4): DeathxShinigami, Rolled, akrolsmir, foulcoon

NoHItter (2): 0_o, pieguy1372

Lybydose (1): Chris

0_o (1): Mashley

Mashley (1): LadySuburu

Not voting: Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Wojjan, Lybydose, animask, NoHItter

edit: changed order for clarity
Rantai
Alright, I won't dispute that.
Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

To be honest, I would have thought voting last minute would have been the smarter way to do so because voting the person with the most/second most votes would've raised a few eyebrows. Especially if it was only based on saving themselves.
that's where the bandwagon comes in though, especially with mafia members

see someone with a bunch of votes, add on another, next person does the same all to just confirm their place at least past d1

if you don't take the offensive you're just going to end up getting voted for

just like whats happening with swifttail now since he decided to pout rather than vote
Rolled
Time before the day ends please, host. ^____^

Unvote because I really haven't analyzed shit in the last 5 pages, and the furry guy was a RV.
Chris_old
38 hours remain
Topic Starter
Two_old
It's now Day 1. You have 72 hours from this post until nightfall.

That's september 19th 12:13 am EST, september 18th 9:13 pm PST afaik correct me if I'm wrong
Posted: 34 hours ago
0_o
We've got ~38 hours

unvote because it's legit voting time

EDIT: dammit guys
Rantai

Chris wrote:

that's where the bandwagon comes in though, especially with mafia members

see someone with a bunch of votes, add on another, next person does the same all to just confirm their place at least past d1

if you don't take the offensive you're just going to end up getting voted for

just like whats happening with swifttail now since he decided to pout rather than vote
On the flip side, his pouting isn't sitting well in the first place, irrespective of voting.
Rantai
*even if he had voted I doubt the outcome would be different

Gees I need to learn to consolidate thoughts.

Edit: Going to sleep now, see you in 12 hours or something.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Prod: DeathxShinigami, Mashley

akrolsmir wrote:

Swift, instead of talking about yourself (which you don't seem to be very good at), how about you tell us who you think is suspicious?
Personally, I'd say I have two suspicions, but sticking to one person.

FoS foulcoon: Resorting to insults. Help a new guy out for once, will ya? Don't try to leave them in the dust and act all high and mighty.

Chris: Really? If I really was mafia, and he was, too, why would he attack me? That's not a good tactic, especially if it's D1.
Wojjan

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Chris: Really? If I really was mafia, and he was, too, why would he attack me? That's not a good tactic, especially if it's D1.
hahahahahahahahahaHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DeathxShinigami
Well doesn't someone feel strong to encourage a prod?

Anywho, it's day 1 afterall for everyone there isn't much to go on until a lynch occurs on night actions happen (considering if there is a no lynch which is doubtful)
LadySuburu
FoS: DxS same gut as mashley's
akrolsmir
Unvote, vote: DxS

LS beat me to it.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Wojjan wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Chris: Really? If I really was mafia, and he was, too, why would he attack me? That's not a good tactic, especially if it's D1.
hahahahahahahahahaHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay, okay, I'll admit that was stupid. To be honest, I have pulled off that trick before, and it worked perfectly. But again, I've said this before, and I'll say it again: "To be blunt, I am not mafia."
0_o

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

But again, I've said this before, and I'll say it again: "To be blunt, I am not mafia."
New plan guys, everyone who isn't mafia say so.
Wojjan
I'm not mafia, and swift isn't mafia so that makes two confirmed town
foulcoon

0_o wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

But again, I've said this before, and I'll say it again: "To be blunt, I am not mafia."
New plan guys, everyone who isn't mafia say so.
lol'd
Wojjan
oh wait Swift fossed foulcoon didn't he well he's confirmed town new plan everyone who isn't mafia vote foulcoon
Chris_old
vote: mafia
foulcoon
SPOILER
NO DONT DO IT I SWEAR IM NOT MAFIA

new favorites for the lynch: Swift, DxS

DxS just sounds scummy. Hes like: "What is this strong guys or something dude?". Yeah, totally scummy.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I'm going to be honest, what I say is the truth. I know that I've been acting like a complete idiot, but if I lied to you, I personally wouldn't say "to be blunt," but if you want to think that I am the mafia, go right ahead. I'm not gonna stop you. Just keep in mind that last game, when this EXACT SAME THING happened, I turned up town. (I'm confusing myself when I say this, because I clearly said that I didn't want to bring this back up, but here I am, doing it anyway. I'm such a hypocrite.)
Wojjan

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I'm going to be honest, what I say is the truth. I know that I've been acting like a complete idiot, but if I lied to you, I personally wouldn't say "to be blunt," but if you want to think that I am the mafia, go right ahead. I'm not gonna stop you. Just keep in mind that last game, when this EXACT SAME THING happened, I turned up town. (I'm confusing myself when I say this, because I clearly said that I didn't want to bring this back up, but here I am, doing it anyway. I'm such a hypocrite.)
stop making emotional arguments they don't mean jack
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Just trying to prove a point.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Also, FoS Faceman, Wojjan. Pick on the new guy, eh? Is that your tactic?
foulcoon
change your avatar and I'll consider changing my vote
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Removed.
0_o

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Also, FoS Faceman, Wojjan. Pick on the new guy, eh? Is that your tactic?
Not really, I'm actually leaning more towards town with you at the moment. Just found your claim amusing.
Chris_old
lol'd

stay dedicated swiftwolf
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..To what?
Wojjan
what the fuck swiftwolf you FOS everyone who suspects you
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
No, if that was the case, I'd be FoSing almost everyone.
Sleep Powder
Current Thoughts:

Rolled felt a bit suspicious by asking when the day phase is going to end. Anticipating something at night? I find
it a bit odd that he didn't check at the earlier posts to find out. His conversation with Chris about Day 1 information/speculation
seems like something I might need to recall later. I don't really want to go into talking about the differences between info and speculation in Day 1.

@VashWolf SwiftTail Anything you post can be used against you. You have the right to remain silent (for a while). I don't think
roleclaiming will save you at this point. Stop trying to poorly defend yourself and make some logical deductions on your own. Also don't OMGUS FoS people... please.

LS is using his gut a lot. He doesn't believe in RVS... hmm... (Yes, I know the difference between the two.) Nothing much
to use for a vote at this time. Neutral
foulcoon
Unvote, Vote: DxS
foulcoon
doubleposting to say wow, animask also sounds like a scummy mc'scummerson
Sleep Powder
@foulcoon When don't I? Also, I'm assuming people are FoSing DxS because he might be avoiding something?
Sleep Powder
Just in case it sounded like I was suspicious of LadySuburu, I was just noticing the 2 that FoS'd DxS and akrolismor's vote.
LadySuburu

animask wrote:

@foulcoon When don't I? Also, I'm assuming people are FoSing DxS because he might be avoiding something?
My FoS has nothing to do with^
Mashley
Ahhhh crap I really need to post
Swiftwolf is like animask all over again. Swiftwolf, I reccomend you ready through some other mafia games to get some sort of feel for the game because at the moment you're making all sort of mistakes whichever side you're one.
Unvote because there's no point leaving a RVS in a bit. At the moment my gut is leaning towards foulcoon and Lybydose. Possibly because their playstyle is naturally more aggressive; but there's no point voting based on gut right now so I'll leave it.
LadySuburu
Unvote Vote: DxS stronger gut.
Chris_old
why so bandwagon suburu
LadySuburu

Chris wrote:

why so bandwagon suburu
Better than other Lynchs yknow
Topic Starter
Two_old
Vote Count

DeathxShinigami (3): akrolsmir, foulcoon, LadySuburu

Lybydose (1): Chris

NoHItter (1): pieguy1372

Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1): DeathxShinigami

Not voting: Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Wojjan, Lybydose, animask, NoHItter, Rolled, 0_o, Mashley

15 people alive = 8 votes lynches btw
Lybydose
vote: DxS
0_o
hmm

Swift wrote:

Faceman: If I do my calculations correctly, there's a 2 in 3 chance that I'm still town.
What makes you think there are 5 mafia?
akrolsmir

0_o wrote:

hmm

Swift wrote:

Faceman: If I do my calculations correctly, there's a 2 in 3 chance that I'm still town.
What makes you think there are 5 mafia?
He might be suspecting some anti-town but not mafia, like SK. Or more likely, he's just failing at math. It's not as if voting is a complete crapshoot, either, so don't worry about it too much.

---

On a thread reread- mostly puzzled by what chris was going on about all this time, especially that stuff about self-preservation votes when there was 2 days to go and no more than 3 votes on any one person. Waiting for DxS to say something. Oh, pieguy, done thinking through your gut yet?
show more
Please sign in to reply.

New reply