NoHItter wrote:
Yes, but you don't self preservation vote until nearing the deadline.
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glad to know you're contributingRolled wrote:
NoHItter wrote:
Yes, but you don't self preservation vote until nearing the deadline.
Chris: Uggh, your posts remind me of Two except not as egocentric and obnoxious.aww thx for the compliment
Are you seriously suggesting to lynch for no reason because when we vote for a good reason they're usually town? What makes you think lynching on nothing will get a better chance at getting scum?pieguy1372 wrote:
Also, in every game I played the person lynched D1 was lynched "because he was suspicious" and he was always town. This is just basic statistics at hand as I mentioned before, especially when you consider the mafia tries to NOT be suspicious... This is just my idea of how to play the game, and IMO it's worked a lot better than lynching town members who screw up, instead of actually showing signs of wanting to hinder town progress or mislead us. >.>
NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?
How did what pieguy make you think we're both scum?Wojjan wrote:
NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?
@Chris
So you still think that one should prioritize self-preservation over information in voting long before the deadline?
This statement:Not always trueChris wrote:
there is no information on d1
yes for the third timeNoHItter wrote:
How did what pieguy make you think we're both scum?Wojjan wrote:
NoHItter, pieguy, scum team of the year?
@Chris
So you still think that one should prioritize self-preservation over information in voting long before the deadline?
especially on d1 where votes are mostly random and bandwagons are common
there is no "information" to be gained, just speculating based off nothing because nothing has happened
Everything in this game is speculations. You can't even take the information you receive from the host as fact, as you now know ^__^
With your logic, a vanilla townie would just RV the whole way through a mafia game. All they have is speculation.
I feel you're underestimating the usefulness and power of speculation, though.
With your logic, a vanilla townie would just RV the whole way through a mafia game. All they have is speculation.
I feel you're underestimating the usefulness and power of speculation, though.
d1 d1 d1 d1 d1 d1 d1Rolled wrote:
Everything in this game is speculations. You can't even take the information you receive from the host as fact, as you now know ^__^
With your logic, a vanilla townie would just RV the whole way through a mafia game. All they have is speculation.
I feel you're underestimating the usefulness and power of speculation, though.
did you read that yet
So what's classified as information as opposed to speculation?
anything that is confirmedRolled wrote:
So what's classified as information as opposed to speculation?
Do you realize how little in mafia is confirmed? Nine times out of ten a decision must be made without previous confirmation on whether it's good or bad.
This is really derailing the thread though. I'm just showing flaws in your argument.
This is really derailing the thread though. I'm just showing flaws in your argument.
my entire argument is based around d1Rolled wrote:
Do you realize how little in mafia is confirmed? Nine times out of ten a decision must be made without previous confirmation on whether it's good or bad.
This is really derailing the thread though. I'm just showing flaws in your argument.
that's what you and everyone else seems to continue to ignore
Nobody is arguing that information on d1 is generally lower than information in later days. What people are arguing is that there is no information to be gathered day 1.
what information can you gather that is useful d1 other than roleclaims?Rolled wrote:
Nobody is arguing that information on d1 is generally lower than information in later days. What people are arguing is that there is no information to be gathered day 1.
voting patterns and crap like that doesn't help till later
And there lies the disagreement (that I have at least).
I see information as anything that can be used to read a player, whether that be 'speculation' or otherwise. At the very least it could help with choosing a D1 lynch as opposed to blindly picking or 'gut voting'.
.....Wow ninjas.
I see information as anything that can be used to read a player, whether that be 'speculation' or otherwise. At the very least it could help with choosing a D1 lynch as opposed to blindly picking or 'gut voting'.
.....Wow ninjas.
yeah, what he said.
anyone you lynch d1 is going to be lynched blindly 100% of the time unless they just claim mafiaRantai wrote:
And there lies the disagreement (that I have at least).
I see information as anything that can be used to read a player, whether that be 'speculation' or otherwise. At the very least it could help with choosing a D1 lynch as opposed to blindly picking or 'gut voting'.
.....Wow ninjas.
So are you suggesting that we do not have more information on you than we have against somebody who has posted 0 times?
This conversation is such a derailer so just admit you are wrong and be on with it.
This conversation is such a derailer so just admit you are wrong and be on with it.
tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear thisRolled wrote:
So are you suggesting that we do not have more information on you than we have against somebody who has posted 0 times?
This conversation is such a derailer so just admit you are wrong and be on with it.
it isn't derailing anything because there is no other conversations going on, and this is about mafia
I gathered that you're bad at mafia
exactly, nothingRolled wrote:
I gathered that you're bad at mafia
thanks for proving my point
If a hypothetical situation arises in which a bus driver were to switch you with player x, and player x dies, it's more likely that you are a strongman rather than you shooting yourself anticipating my switch. Hypothetically.
See, I concluded that due to information I gathered on day 1.
See, I concluded that due to information I gathered on day 1.
I think you've got your games switched upRolled wrote:
If a hypothetical situation arises in which a bus driver were to switch you with player x, and player x dies, it's more likely that you are a strongman rather than you shooting yourself anticipating my switch. Hypothetically.
See, I concluded that due to information I gathered on day 1.
Vote: Mashley basically is gut
Well you could say I've gathered that you don't believe anything that is unconfirmed as usefulChris wrote:
tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear this
Which is fine, we're all entitled to our own opinion.
But also, my initial thoughts of you back when you were fueling the fires under Swift and Lybydose was "why are you doing this?"
So yes, what were you hoping to find/achieve with that? Somehow I don't think your intention was for them to vote each other.
well Hitter assume you're both mafs for a second. pieguy knows you're maf and votes you as a "gut feeling" which wow chigga wow boom bang he's a maf! pieguy definitely looks town now, lynching a maf D1!
also you are reacting worse than swift
also you are reacting worse than swift
I was wondering why neither swift or lybydose was voting for each other if it would of made such a significant difference in how many extra votes they would of needed to be lynched.Rantai wrote:
Well you could say I've gathered that you don't believe anything that is unconfirmed as usefulChris wrote:
tell me then what you've gathered from me posting? I'd love to hear this
Which is fine, we're all entitled to our own opinion.
But also, my initial thoughts of you back when you were fueling the fires under Swift and Lybydose was "why are you doing this?"
So yes, what were you hoping to find/achieve with that? Somehow I don't think your intention was for them to vote each other.
it made no sense so it's only natural to put out the possibility that they are both indeed mafia
you notice swift has still yet to vote even after being at the top of the list, when he could of saved himself before
lybydose never voted to ensure his survival either
also it's not that I believe anything unconfirmed is useless, I just believe that there is very little to gain from what happens d1 until later on in the game
d1 lynch is always gonna end up being for the most part random, maybe because of a wrong choice of words or just a really overly defensive attitude like swift
but it will never be based on anything that's a for sure thing
d1 lynch is always gonna end up being for the most part random, maybe because of a wrong choice of words or just a really overly defensive attitude like swift
but it will never be based on anything that's a for sure thing
To be honest, I would have thought voting last minute would have been the smarter way to do so because voting the person with the most/second most votes would've raised a few eyebrows. Especially if it was only based on saving themselves.
Topic Starter
Vote Count
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (4): DeathxShinigami, Rolled, akrolsmir, foulcoon
NoHItter (2): 0_o, pieguy1372
Lybydose (1): Chris
0_o (1): Mashley
Mashley (1): LadySuburu
Not voting: Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Wojjan, Lybydose, animask, NoHItter
edit: changed order for clarity
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (4): DeathxShinigami, Rolled, akrolsmir, foulcoon
NoHItter (2): 0_o, pieguy1372
Lybydose (1): Chris
0_o (1): Mashley
Mashley (1): LadySuburu
Not voting: Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Wojjan, Lybydose, animask, NoHItter
edit: changed order for clarity
Alright, I won't dispute that.
that's where the bandwagon comes in though, especially with mafia membersRantai wrote:
To be honest, I would have thought voting last minute would have been the smarter way to do so because voting the person with the most/second most votes would've raised a few eyebrows. Especially if it was only based on saving themselves.
see someone with a bunch of votes, add on another, next person does the same all to just confirm their place at least past d1
if you don't take the offensive you're just going to end up getting voted for
just like whats happening with swifttail now since he decided to pout rather than vote
Time before the day ends please, host. ^____^
Unvote because I really haven't analyzed shit in the last 5 pages, and the furry guy was a RV.
Unvote because I really haven't analyzed shit in the last 5 pages, and the furry guy was a RV.
Topic Starter
It's now Day 1. You have 72 hours from this post until nightfall.Posted: 34 hours ago
That's september 19th 12:13 am EST, september 18th 9:13 pm PST afaik correct me if I'm wrong
We've got ~38 hours
unvote because it's legit voting time
EDIT: dammit guys
unvote because it's legit voting time
EDIT: dammit guys
On the flip side, his pouting isn't sitting well in the first place, irrespective of voting.Chris wrote:
that's where the bandwagon comes in though, especially with mafia members
see someone with a bunch of votes, add on another, next person does the same all to just confirm their place at least past d1
if you don't take the offensive you're just going to end up getting voted for
just like whats happening with swifttail now since he decided to pout rather than vote
*even if he had voted I doubt the outcome would be different
Gees I need to learn to consolidate thoughts.
Edit: Going to sleep now, see you in 12 hours or something.
Gees I need to learn to consolidate thoughts.
Edit: Going to sleep now, see you in 12 hours or something.
Prod: DeathxShinigami, Mashley
FoS foulcoon: Resorting to insults. Help a new guy out for once, will ya? Don't try to leave them in the dust and act all high and mighty.
Chris: Really? If I really was mafia, and he was, too, why would he attack me? That's not a good tactic, especially if it's D1.
Personally, I'd say I have two suspicions, but sticking to one person.akrolsmir wrote:
Swift, instead of talking about yourself (which you don't seem to be very good at), how about you tell us who you think is suspicious?
FoS foulcoon: Resorting to insults. Help a new guy out for once, will ya? Don't try to leave them in the dust and act all high and mighty.
Chris: Really? If I really was mafia, and he was, too, why would he attack me? That's not a good tactic, especially if it's D1.
hahahahahahahahahaHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
Chris: Really? If I really was mafia, and he was, too, why would he attack me? That's not a good tactic, especially if it's D1.
Well doesn't someone feel strong to encourage a prod?
Anywho, it's day 1 afterall for everyone there isn't much to go on until a lynch occurs on night actions happen (considering if there is a no lynch which is doubtful)
Anywho, it's day 1 afterall for everyone there isn't much to go on until a lynch occurs on night actions happen (considering if there is a no lynch which is doubtful)
FoS: DxS same gut as mashley's
Okay, okay, I'll admit that was stupid. To be honest, I have pulled off that trick before, and it worked perfectly. But again, I've said this before, and I'll say it again: "To be blunt, I am not mafia."Wojjan wrote:
hahahahahahahahahaHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
Chris: Really? If I really was mafia, and he was, too, why would he attack me? That's not a good tactic, especially if it's D1.
New plan guys, everyone who isn't mafia say so.Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
But again, I've said this before, and I'll say it again: "To be blunt, I am not mafia."
I'm not mafia, and swift isn't mafia so that makes two confirmed town
lol'd0_o wrote:
New plan guys, everyone who isn't mafia say so.Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
But again, I've said this before, and I'll say it again: "To be blunt, I am not mafia."
oh wait Swift fossed foulcoon didn't he well he's confirmed town new plan everyone who isn't mafia vote foulcoon
I'm going to be honest, what I say is the truth. I know that I've been acting like a complete idiot, but if I lied to you, I personally wouldn't say "to be blunt," but if you want to think that I am the mafia, go right ahead. I'm not gonna stop you. Just keep in mind that last game, when this EXACT SAME THING happened, I turned up town. (I'm confusing myself when I say this, because I clearly said that I didn't want to bring this back up, but here I am, doing it anyway. I'm such a hypocrite.)
stop making emotional arguments they don't mean jackSwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
I'm going to be honest, what I say is the truth. I know that I've been acting like a complete idiot, but if I lied to you, I personally wouldn't say "to be blunt," but if you want to think that I am the mafia, go right ahead. I'm not gonna stop you. Just keep in mind that last game, when this EXACT SAME THING happened, I turned up town. (I'm confusing myself when I say this, because I clearly said that I didn't want to bring this back up, but here I am, doing it anyway. I'm such a hypocrite.)
Just trying to prove a point.
Also, FoS Faceman, Wojjan. Pick on the new guy, eh? Is that your tactic?
change your avatar and I'll consider changing my vote
Removed.
Not really, I'm actually leaning more towards town with you at the moment. Just found your claim amusing.Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
Also, FoS Faceman, Wojjan. Pick on the new guy, eh? Is that your tactic?
..To what?
what the fuck swiftwolf you FOS everyone who suspects you
No, if that was the case, I'd be FoSing almost everyone.
Current Thoughts:
Rolled felt a bit suspicious by asking when the day phase is going to end. Anticipating something at night? I find
it a bit odd that he didn't check at the earlier posts to find out. His conversation with Chris about Day 1 information/speculation
seems like something I might need to recall later. I don't really want to go into talking about the differences between info and speculation in Day 1.
@VashWolf SwiftTail Anything you post can be used against you. You have the right to remain silent (for a while). I don't think
roleclaiming will save you at this point. Stop trying to poorly defend yourself and make some logical deductions on your own. Also don't OMGUS FoS people... please.
LS is using his gut a lot. He doesn't believe in RVS... hmm... (Yes, I know the difference between the two.) Nothing much
to use for a vote at this time. Neutral
Rolled felt a bit suspicious by asking when the day phase is going to end. Anticipating something at night? I find
it a bit odd that he didn't check at the earlier posts to find out. His conversation with Chris about Day 1 information/speculation
seems like something I might need to recall later. I don't really want to go into talking about the differences between info and speculation in Day 1.
@VashWolf SwiftTail Anything you post can be used against you. You have the right to remain silent (for a while). I don't think
roleclaiming will save you at this point. Stop trying to poorly defend yourself and make some logical deductions on your own. Also don't OMGUS FoS people... please.
LS is using his gut a lot. He doesn't believe in RVS... hmm... (Yes, I know the difference between the two.) Nothing much
to use for a vote at this time. Neutral
Unvote, Vote: DxS
doubleposting to say wow, animask also sounds like a scummy mc'scummerson
@foulcoon When don't I? Also, I'm assuming people are FoSing DxS because he might be avoiding something?
Just in case it sounded like I was suspicious of LadySuburu, I was just noticing the 2 that FoS'd DxS and akrolismor's vote.
My FoS has nothing to do with^animask wrote:
@foulcoon When don't I? Also, I'm assuming people are FoSing DxS because he might be avoiding something?
Ahhhh crap I really need to post
Swiftwolf is like animask all over again. Swiftwolf, I reccomend you ready through some other mafia games to get some sort of feel for the game because at the moment you're making all sort of mistakes whichever side you're one.
Unvote because there's no point leaving a RVS in a bit. At the moment my gut is leaning towards foulcoon and Lybydose. Possibly because their playstyle is naturally more aggressive; but there's no point voting based on gut right now so I'll leave it.
Swiftwolf is like animask all over again. Swiftwolf, I reccomend you ready through some other mafia games to get some sort of feel for the game because at the moment you're making all sort of mistakes whichever side you're one.
Unvote because there's no point leaving a RVS in a bit. At the moment my gut is leaning towards foulcoon and Lybydose. Possibly because their playstyle is naturally more aggressive; but there's no point voting based on gut right now so I'll leave it.
Unvote Vote: DxS stronger gut.
Better than other Lynchs yknowChris wrote:
why so bandwagon suburu
Topic Starter
Vote Count
DeathxShinigami (3): akrolsmir, foulcoon, LadySuburu
Lybydose (1): Chris
NoHItter (1): pieguy1372
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1): DeathxShinigami
Not voting: Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Wojjan, Lybydose, animask, NoHItter, Rolled, 0_o, Mashley
15 people alive = 8 votes lynches btw
DeathxShinigami (3): akrolsmir, foulcoon, LadySuburu
Lybydose (1): Chris
NoHItter (1): pieguy1372
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1): DeathxShinigami
Not voting: Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Wojjan, Lybydose, animask, NoHItter, Rolled, 0_o, Mashley
15 people alive = 8 votes lynches btw
vote: DxS
hmm
What makes you think there are 5 mafia?Swift wrote:
Faceman: If I do my calculations correctly, there's a 2 in 3 chance that I'm still town.
He might be suspecting some anti-town but not mafia, like SK. Or more likely, he's just failing at math. It's not as if voting is a complete crapshoot, either, so don't worry about it too much.0_o wrote:
hmmWhat makes you think there are 5 mafia?Swift wrote:
Faceman: If I do my calculations correctly, there's a 2 in 3 chance that I'm still town.
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On a thread reread- mostly puzzled by what chris was going on about all this time, especially that stuff about self-preservation votes when there was 2 days to go and no more than 3 votes on any one person. Waiting for DxS to say something. Oh, pieguy, done thinking through your gut yet?
akrolsmir, I do believe that whole topic was about using the self preservation vote to take the offensive so a bandwagon is less likely to form on you and how it was suspicious they weren't using it as such.
And lol this reread is hilarious.
DxS, got anything to say about your bandwagon?
And lol this reread is hilarious.
DxS, got anything to say about your bandwagon?
I only saw one post from DxS, and it seems very neutral. As I said in a previous game, if we don't take a proper stance on anything, we won't find out who the mafia is.
unvote, vote: DxS
unvote, vote: DxS
On the bandwagon upon me I can only say that town will be harmed much more if I do get lynched.
Unfortunately I am unable to roleclaim due to role restrictions.
Unfortunately I am unable to roleclaim due to role restrictions.
Usually when you're unable to roleclaim, you are also unable to say you are unable to claim.
I think that comes down to a case-by-case basis, Rolled.
I agreeRolled wrote:
Usually when you're unable to roleclaim, you are also unable to say you are unable to claim.
so easy to slip by with a vote on dxs without having to explain anything thanks to the bandwagon 
life is easy huh lybydose
life is easy huh lybydose
I have a role that I can't claim or attempt to reveal in any way. Nothing said that I couldn't say that.
I think he's actually pro-town, but there is a possibility of a Mafia/Independent alternative to that type of role.
I think he's actually pro-town, but there is a possibility of a Mafia/Independent alternative to that type of role.
Yeah, I'm not allowed to roleclaim either.
Here, though, I think he could be making up the restriction, especially since he's kind of hinting at his role, and my PM states that doing so is forbidden too.
Oh, and I highly highly doubt scum would get a restriction on claiming.
Here, though, I think he could be making up the restriction, especially since he's kind of hinting at his role, and my PM states that doing so is forbidden too.
Oh, and I highly highly doubt scum would get a restriction on claiming.
I go to sleep and poof, so many pages >.>
Can people also tell me why they're voting for DxS? Or is everyone really using gut only >.>
FoS: animask
Vote: Swift
Overreaction to RVS. Too many logic fails in defending himself including usage of WIFOM and Appeal to Emotion.
Some people are saying that Swift feels sort of like animask, but that's not a valid excuse to not vote for him. (Then again, I don't believe in meta)
That statement is full of WIFOM. You're basically saying that anyone arguing with someone else is scum.Wojjan wrote:
well Hitter assume you're both mafs for a second. pieguy knows you're maf and votes you as a "gut feeling" which wow chigga wow boom bang he's a maf! pieguy definitely looks town now, lynching a maf D1!
Can people also tell me why they're voting for DxS? Or is everyone really using gut only >.>
Are you suggesting someone to actively lurk?animask wrote:
@VashWolf SwiftTail Anything you post can be used against you. You have the right to remain silent (for a while). I don't think roleclaiming will save you at this point. Stop trying to poorly defend yourself and make some logical deductions on your own. Also don't OMGUS FoS people... please.
FoS: animask
Vote: Swift
Overreaction to RVS. Too many logic fails in defending himself including usage of WIFOM and Appeal to Emotion.
Some people are saying that Swift feels sort of like animask, but that's not a valid excuse to not vote for him. (Then again, I don't believe in meta)
Unvote
Starting to form a theory based on role pm terminology.
No vote for now...
Starting to form a theory based on role pm terminology.
No vote for now...
This is something I strongly agree with, but I can't shake the feeling that he's town. I think my thinking goes along the lines of; if he was really anti-town, why constantly put himself into the spotlight?NoHItter wrote:
Some people are saying that Swift feels sort of like animask, but that's not a valid excuse to not vote for him. (Then again, I don't believe in meta)
Yeah, it's all wifom. But judging by how 'honest' it looks (lack of better words) I'm not so sure. Am I being too naive?
@NoHiTter
I'm saying that people have the option to lurk or say something. Loosely lurking, as in just reading posts until something comes up that
you want to contribute to.
I'm saying that people have the option to lurk or say something. Loosely lurking, as in just reading posts until something comes up that
you want to contribute to.
I think that the issue of being allowed to say you're not allowed to claim or not is more of a case-by-case basis, especially because two more people just said they're in the same position. 
Actually, unvote: DxS because his claim sounds a lot more reasonable now that other people have said the same thing. One of them could still be mafia who want a convenient excuse not to roleclaim, but this is WIFOM.
I find it somewhat suspicious how Lybydose blatantly bandwagoned. My gut still says NoHItter though... plus, he FoS'ed animask for an odd reason. He wasn't really encouraging lurking, but instead trying to stop Swiftwolf from being so defensive, something I definitely think would be beneficial for the town.
So I'll vote: NoHItter.
Actually, unvote: DxS because his claim sounds a lot more reasonable now that other people have said the same thing. One of them could still be mafia who want a convenient excuse not to roleclaim, but this is WIFOM.I find it somewhat suspicious how Lybydose blatantly bandwagoned. My gut still says NoHItter though... plus, he FoS'ed animask for an odd reason. He wasn't really encouraging lurking, but instead trying to stop Swiftwolf from being so defensive, something I definitely think would be beneficial for the town.
So I'll vote: NoHItter.
Topic Starter
10. don't try to exploit things plsjust a friendly reminder
When's the deadline mod? Days seem so long I don't even know.
~14 hours from now.
Ill keep it to myself, sorry bro.Two wrote:
10. don't try to exploit things plsjust a friendly reminder
Wait, who's exploiting?
Topic Starter
no one has or is, I just saw the thread taking a dip in that direction and wanted to remind everyone not to
and there's less than 12 hours left in day 1 at this point
and there's less than 12 hours left in day 1 at this point
>suspects person for bandwagoningpieguy1372 wrote:
I find it somewhat suspicious how Lybydose blatantly bandwagoned.[/b]
>bandwagons same guy he is
vote: Chris
explain your thoughts or I will eat youChris wrote:
are you slowfoulcoon wrote:
vote: Chris