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Olivia Noelle - Skyscraper (Nightcore Mix)

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Topic Starter
BounceBabe
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Mittwoch, 13. März 2013 at 17:40:35

Artist: Olivia Noelle
Title: Skyscraper (Nightcore Mix)
Tags: demi lovato cover
BPM: 124,8
Filesize: 5409kb
Play Time: 02:58
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (1,15 stars, 146 notes)
  2. Hard (4,4 stars, 336 notes)
  3. Normal (3,43 stars, 237 notes)
Download: Olivia Noelle - Skyscraper (Nightcore Mix)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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This is a wonderful cover song by Olivia Noelle. The original artist is "Demi Lovato" but the cover song sounds better to me.
This song is dedicated to all the people who had bad experiences with love. The song will also be an encouragement to those who were disappointed many times in love things before.

Changelog

- Finally added a Normal
- Added a new sliderreserved-arrow
- Added new skin elements

Thanks to everyone helping me to improve this map!
HeatKai
put "demi lovato" and " cover " in tags?
Topic Starter
BounceBabe

HeatKai wrote:

put "demi lovato" and " cover " in tags?
probably should, yes ^^
riffy
and that's what I like. Good music and nice maps!

[General]
  1. You need a [Normal] diff, if you want your map to be ranked. Without Normal mapset is incomplete
  2. According to AiBat your kiais are inconsistent. Check Kiai #9's start, please!
  3. Why different combo colours? :V
[Hard]
  1. 00:19:971 (2) - Personally, I think that this jump is quite confusing and distance is too big for such a calm song. How about reversing this slider to make it less sudden?
  2. 00:26:943 (1,3) - are you sure about finishes here? there's no anything that sounds like these finishes in music, imo.
  3. 00:29:587 (6) - 00:14:443 (1) - and some other patterns - don't ruin your awesome map with sudden antijump! They're really unexpected and weird in relaxing flow.
  4. 01:00:356 - how about ending spinner here instead.Or you can silince its end and finish spinner at 01:00:596 - it'll fit with music, too.
  5. 01:14:298 - I'm not sure, but how about circle here to follow vocals and music? Sounds cute, imo.
  6. 01:46:750 - 01:31:366 - 01:29:443 - I'd map them to follow vocals and to have consistent flow. but keep this one - 01:24:154 - without circles. It makes kiai start more awesome.
  7. 02:49:250 (1) - kinda inconsistent spacing according to others sliders :< a bit confusing for players

  8. AIBat v3.1 wrote:

    Spinner New Combo
    01:32:447 (8) - Consider adding a NC on this spinner.
    01:49:635 (2) - Consider adding a NC here, since this note follows a spinner.
[Easy]
  1. You can use softer slowdown. (x0,75) because x0.5 ois too sudden for EASIEST diff in the mapset :<
  2. 01:43:385 (6,1) - this overlap is probably confusing for beginners. If it's possible, fix it.
  3. 00:07:712 (1,2) - sometimes, there's inconsistent spacing. If it's possible, fix it, please!
  4. 01:39:058 (1) - and somesimilar patterns. Overlap with spinner's hitburst! Confusing for beginners. You have an awesome and easy flow + great rhythm! Don't ruin this Easy diff with overlaps :<
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Go-go! Resurrect >3</
Stefan
If the Mapset is complete, I'll mod this as next.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Thank, but cant map until weekend since im in school. But will add a Normal diff
Darksonic
Is there something wrong with downloading this?, I wanna mod it but I can't because when I dl this it has only 780 kbs, and can't add this into my maps xD.
787B

Darksonic wrote:

Is there something wrong with downloading this?, I wanna mod it but I can't because when I dl this it has only 780 kbs, and can't add this into my maps xD.
Same here, I can't load this.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Updated, so now you can download it again, i think!
Dark_Ai
no
It still doesn't work :/
Darksonic
Nope, not working.
787B

Darksonic wrote:

Nope, not working.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Download from the description please until the upload error is fixed ._.
787B
Hey you again ♪
Sorry double post, kinda lazy to edit previous post.

General
Basically you told me that the BAT's didn't know what to do in relation of the error I, and other people get when loading this map. You should get an Admin, or even peppy itself to help this out.
By the way, I found the reverse arrow very hard to see on your skin, because it pretty much matches with the combo colors you've used.

Easy
00:09:635 (2) - Hmm, would be better if this was placed on a better alignment with previous slider's curvature. Something like x:192 y:200
00:41:366 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Combo kinda long for an easy. Suggest adding a new combo in (3) or in (5).
01:20:789 (1,2) - When I was first testing this sliders I thought for sure it was going to do a loop. Players might get confused on this kind of slider here, so I really suggest reshaping it. And by the way, 01:22:712 (2) - isn't perfectly stacked with that slider as well.
01:22:712 - Add break?
01:41:943 (4) - NC would fit perfect here, what do you think?
02:14:635 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Since combo is a bit long, like in 00:41:366 (1,2,3,4,5,6) I suggest adding a new one at (5)
02:18:481 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same here, new combo at (5)
02:53:096 (1,2) - I really suggest to move this stack to be aligned with previous slider. You need to use grid level 4 to do that though.
02:53:577 - Add Break?
02:58:866 (4) - NC to emphasize?

Normal
00:34:635 (1) - Don't know if you've followed the vocals or the instrumental here. If you've followed the vocals, the slider shouldn't start here. It looks very hard to hit this without a closer previous beat.
00:57:712 (1) - I dunno, I think you should've followed your patterns here and started this spin at the red tick. Although it doesn't really makes it perfect, it just makes it better. If you can find another place for this spin, it would be nice. I think it's kinda late how the spin starts after the "skyscraper" part.
02:33:625 (2,3) - I'd try a different pattern. I understand you've tried to follow the vocals, but I think it could be better into this way, so it can keep your flows consistent. You could try another patter though, but I advise starting still on the white tick, this part of the songs makes it feel like it should be consistent.

Hard
Hmm, couldn't find much trouble here, although, I quite don't like the triple stacks followed by a spin, like in 01:32:087 (5,6,7,1) - for example. But they are playable, and if you're fine with them, it's ok, it's just me anyways.
00:16:846 (3) - Not correctly stacked with 00:16:366 (2) -
01:09:250 (4) - NC?
02:58:866 (5) - NC to emphasize, just like in Easy?

Edit: You're going to add the Normal again, right?

Good luck in there.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe

Wolf wrote:

Edit: You're going to add the Normal again, right?
Sure, when it lets me :'D
Stefan
Download does not w--

Download the map here if the dl doesnt work
Okay. :3

[General]
- Is "cover" really neccessary as Tag?
- Please use the recommened blank Audio-File for normal-sliderslide.wav, soft-sliderslide.wav, spinnerbonus.wav and spinnerspin.wav. You can download it here: http://up.ppy.sh/files/blank.wav
- Tickrate must be consistent through the Mapset. Okay, it's not unrankable, but I still don't see to hold TR 4 in Normal. TR 2 sounds great so please keep TR 2 at Normal and Hard.
- I love the Sliderfollow Circle. ;w;

[Easy]
00:21:173 (4,5) - This is too hard for a Beginner. I won't mind if you use a Slider for the Rhythm, but stacked Circles with 1/1 and 1/2 is too hard. Try to change it somehow.
00:26:943 (1) - Fix the Symmetry here.
00:31:510 (2) - Can you make this more curvy?
00:33:433 (4,5,1) - Same problem as the first point.
00:35:356 (2) - Same as 00:31:510 (2).
00:37:520 (4) - The Middle Points not that good, I perfer to make it as one Slider without Repeat.
00:50:019 (1,3) - You really could do the Slider Shape better.. you may try this Code if you want. Otherwise, do something similar as this. http://puu.sh/1MXvP
256,48,50020,6,0,P|256:136|256:136|232:184|264:232,1,180
328,352,51462,1,8,0:0:0
328,352,51943,6,0,P|328:264|328:264|352:216|320:168,1,180
256,48,53385,1,8,0:0:0
01:15:020 (2) - This should end at the red Tick before.
01:20:789 (1) - Add Whistle at the Sliderbody.
01:43:866 (1) - Remove Finish/Whistle at the End and set Clap.
01:45:789 (2) - Set Finish.
01:55:164 (3) - Finish sounds too much, I suggest to remove it.
02:45:404 - 02:52:616 - The Slowdown might be a bit sudden and will irritate. Also, I don't find it smart to use it there. As example, 02:55:981 would fit better at all.

[Normal]
- Combo Colours are different as in the other Diffs.
00:07:712 (1) - Please use here the purple Combo Colour.. the Repeat Arrow is extremly bad to see with the current Combo Colour.
00:19:250 (1) - Remove Clap here, it sounds too awkward.
00:20:933 (3) - I don't find the Slider good. Most player will try to tap at the white tick, not at the red Tick. Player would feel better if you make this pattern: http://puu.sh/1Np1J
00:42:087 (4,5) - Unstack it
01:03:000 (4,1) - Swap their Position, sounds way better: http://puu.sh/1Np6s
01:22:231 (5,6,7) - This pattern are more neat: http://puu.sh/1Npgb
01:31:366 (6) - Change it to a 1/1 Slider without repeat.
01:34:250 (1,1,2,3,4) - Select them and move this pattern at 256,320. I really find this better as to stick it so much at left. lol
01:43:385 (5) - Would sound better if you move it at the white Tick before.
01:43:625 - Add a Circle if you do what I suggested before.
01:49:635 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - Make this? http://puu.sh/1NpmI
02:33:385 (1,2) - Make this, I find this part very bad. http://puu.sh/1Npv7
02:37:471 (3) - Whistle maybe?
02:39:635 (1,1,2,3,4) - Do something similar how I suggested in 01:49:635 (1,1,2,3,4,5).
02:53:096 (3) - NC

[Hard]
AR -1? It might be a bit too fast with AR8.
00:09:635 (1) - The curve is pretty ugly, I am sure you can do this better. :c
00:13:721 (4,5) - Move it to 256,208. Es bildet mit (2,3) davor einen "schöneren Dreieck" und es sieht hässlich aus, wenn es 00:14:443 (1) berührt. :P
00:44:010 (4) - Stack it on (2), it feels better to play as to stack.
01:09:130 (3) - At all, I don't find 1/4 good. It sounds too overmapped imo. However, this Triplet is really bad and you should remove (3).
01:16:822 (4) - ^
01:20:669 (5) - Just to say, this Triplet sounds nice here. So this one, you should keep.
01:22:592 (6) - But this here sounds too much again. lol
01:28:361 (6) - ^
01:36:294 (1) - Remove Finish.
01:43:385 (7,8) - Unstacked plays better.
01:54:923 (3) - Remove Finish.
02:26:294 (1,1) - Make it as one Spinner.



At all, I didn't really liked the Easy Diff. It has too many Tick Switches and it is at the moment too hard as Easy. Even when the Star Rating say something different. (lol) About Normal, it's okay.. but why Tick Rate 4? TwT.. And the Hard Diff is nice to play. The only thing I dislike are some 1/4 Triplets since this Song definitely does not need 1/4 so much. Good Luck with the Map. :)
Darksonic
Download is still not working for me huh x_x
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
I know, i thought it fixed it what peppy and jericho2442 said, but it didnt... Gotta wait until im at home again (weekend) then i can try to fix it :<
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
@Stefan: I know about the sliderticks.. i try to make somthing different at the end sometime and thanks
Marcin
Let's see - I told you I'll mod it in 1 hour, but I forget sorry :(
[General]
The repeat arrow, on kiai time, with white notes is INVISIBLE. Please fix it. You can achieve that by either changing white color to something else (but it won't fit then :( ), Or making arrows other colour than one you're using as combo colour.
[Easy]
00:33:433 (4,5,1) - Well, Easy is supposed to be easy, and making stack of 3 notes, where 2 notes are 3/2 between, and 2 notes 1/1 between, is hard for newbies (IMO).
01:16:702 (1,2,3,4) - You have made 2 stacks, but one of them is 1/2, and second one is 1/1, and it's same combo - Newbies are trying to follow constant rhythm when they're playing. (Just saying, you can leave it alone if you can't replace it).
Hm, Overall: Rhythm is strange, I mean you're following red ticks on hitcircles - it'll cause noobs to hit 100, and I'm pretty sure that. Anyway diff is fine.
[Normal]
Slider tick 4? Dafuq? Please, make it at least -2....
01:18:866 (3,4) - They are... well... ugly ;_:
01:35:212 (3) - How about, removing that circle after, and making this slider ending on blue tick, and then adding repeat arrow?
01:49:635 (1) - Unstack please... too much stacks are boring ;_;
00:26:702 (1,2,3) - How about making slow-downs here?
Overall: This more looks like hard for me.... but maybe it's because I never play normals :3
[Hard]
AR -1 Please, it more fits to the song (Because it's so slow.... and ar 8 breaks that feeling)
00:09:635 (1) - This slider, remove it and place it again to use new slider placing which will make it prettier :)
00:13:962 (5,1) - that anty-jump... well it's not a problem but i wanted to say that :D
00:20:933 (4) - How about slowing it down?
01:10:452 (1,2,3) - Please, don't make it with stack, you've already made many stacks.. :(
01:22:592 (6) - Spacing~~


Poor mod from poor modder, And I'm sorry for making you unhappy :C, I'll give all my stars instead D;
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Thank you for mod and... 3 stars o.o
stevemin_old
hello~
(m4m thru a ur PM request)
i am newb mapper and modder so feel free to just ignore me if u don't find this helpful

[Easy]
00:45:212 - new combo
01:43:385 ~ 01:43:866 - different spacing than the previous spacings
02:05:741 - nc
02:55:500 - add a note, sounds much better~

not much to fix and i really like the buzzing hitsound in the middle XD

[Normal]
00:22:375 - nc
00:22:856 (3) - delete nc
00:27:784 (2) - i am not sure about this but wouldn't it be better to kiai effect at this time rather than 00:30:789 ?
00:45:693 (3) - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/32799429.png/, maybe like this
00:57:231 (3) - maybe move this to middle?
02:04:779 (4), 02:03:818 (2) - delete the finish? cst finish sounds weird...

[Hard]
00:03:385 (5) - nc
00:03:385 (5) - "
00:19:250 (1,2) - this might be a little too far
01:06:606 (4) - nc
01:06:606 (4) - "
01:20:068 (5) - "
02:03:818 (2,4) - the symbols sound a little weird
02:58:866 - changing to a slider like this is a lot better~
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/99957430.png/
nice symmetry~

thx~
kajiyatta
M4M from PM
General
almost suggestions
Easy
I suppose should be same spacing better for newbie in Easy diff.
Placement
00:21:895(3) I suppose using DS better for newbie, maybe this spacing makes confused.
01:45:789(2) to be stacked at end seems a bit difficult, maybe move away better. and so on...
Rhythm
01:37:976 unnecessary green line
01:16:702 delete this note?

Normal
Placement
01:03:000(4) like this?
01:37:976 unnecessary green line
02:45:404(1) for Normal, too suddunly changed spacing makes confused imo. and maybe ×0.50 seems a bit lower, maybe ×0.75 better.
Hit Sonud
00:50:020(1) delete clap?

Hard
AR-1?
Placement
00:43:529(2,3,4) like this? it's more nice flow I suppose
Rhythm
01:37:976 unnecessary green line
01:24:635~01:37:616 well, there are many blanks, so you can put more notes better.
02:45:404(1) same as Normal

sorry, I don't agree your map style especially Easy so maybe my modding seems suck, sorry for laziness. but nice song & good luck.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Its not my new style, i want to get sure of them finally. Thanks anyway
SuperMoutarde
Hi, from my m4m req ^^

[Easy]

SPOILER
00:01:462 (2,3) - it is recommended not to stack anything in easy diff as it will confuse new players. Unstack and go for normal distance snapping
00:21:173 (4,5) - ^
00:39:443 (1,2) - ^
00:41:366 (1,2) - ^
00:43:769 (4,5) - ^
00:47:616 (2,3) - ^
00:51:462 (2,3) - ^
00:56:750 (1,2) - ^
01:31:366 (4,5) - ^
01:35:212 (1,2) - ^
01:41:462 (3,4) - ^
01:43:866 (1,2) - ^
01:46:510 (3,4) - ^
01:50:596 (1,2) - ^
02:03:818 (2,3) - ^
02:05:741 (4,5,6) - ^
02:08:866 (1,2) - ^
02:16:077 (4,5) - ^
02:19:923 (4,5) - ^
02:25:212 (1,2) - ^
02:30:741 (2,3,4) - ^
02:36:510 (4,5) - ^
02:40:596 (1,2) - ^
02:44:923 (2,1) - ^
02:53:096 (1,2) - ^
02:57:423 (2,3,4) - ^

[Normal]

SPOILER
00:24:058 (2) - I would delete this slider and replace by a single circle on 00:24:298
00:45:212 (1,2,3) - move 8 or 12 pixels to the left for better alignement with 00:46:173 ?
01:34:731 (1) - why new combo? I would remove
02:29:539 (1) - ^
I think the inherited timing section starting at 02:53:577 has too low hitsound. I know this is intentional but as you already selected soft hitsounds for this section, I think lowering to something like 30/35% volume would be better

[Hard]

SPOILER
02:32:904 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Maybe follow the voice instead for more smooth play? I would delete 02:33:866 (4) and 02:34:827 (6), move 02:35:308 (7) - half a measure earlier at 02:35:068, and replace 02:35:789 (8) by a slider beginning 02:35:548 and ending on its current position. If you do so, there are other times in the song you might want to do this kind of change.

That's it! I hope it will help, the skin looks really good btw, GL with this!
Kari-anh
hiya, BounceBabe!

Overall:
beautiful bg and storyboarding!
comfy hitsounding, too~


[Easy]

00:21:895 (5) - move to the next white tick
00:26:943 (1,2) - distance snap, please
00:33:433 (4) - distance snap
00:35:356 (2) - move this to 00:34:635 (6) -
and move 00:34:875 (1) - to 00:35:837 (1) -
00:36:558 (2) - to 00:36:318 (2) -
00:51:462 (2,3) - move to 00:51:221 (2,3) - and distance snap
00:52:904 (4) - have a note here
01:00:356 (1) - move down to the next white tick: 01:00:596 (1) -
01:16:702 (1,2) - kind of hard to read for an [easy]?
01:22:712 (2) - stretch out into a full white-to-white tick slider
01:45:789 (2) - hard to see for an [easy], move out from under the slider please
01:46:510 (3) - move to the next white tick and distance snap
01:54:683 (2,3) - too hard~ change into... either a 1/2 repeating slider and a circle combo or a 1/2 double repeating slider
02:05:020 (3,5) - move out, too hard to see, esp with the glowing skin and intended low difficulty
02:10:308 (2) - ^ same
02:31:943 (3) - move out, please.
02:35:789 (3) - ^
02:45:404 (1,2,1,2) - better as big, curved normal-velocity sliders?

[Normal]

00:07:712 (1) - really really difficult to see the return arrow when the beat color is white for this skin
00:32:952 (4) - change into a longer, non-repeating slider that ends at either 00:33:433 or 00:33:673
00:42:808 (1) - move to the next white tick
00:56:750 (2,3) - turn into a 1/2 returning slider'
01:34:250 (1,2) - separate, hard to read
01:51:077 (6) - move down to the next red tick and distance snap
02:45:404 (1,2,1,2) - same comment as [Easy]'s

[Hard]

00:37:760 (4) - move to the next blue tick, distance snap
00:38:000 (5,6) - delete?
01:12:135 (4) - delete?
01:16:221 (1) - move farther, disregard distance snap haha
01:18:625 (8,1) - turn into a pattern like: 01:16:702 (3,4,5) -
01:26:318 (3) - insert a note~ same place as 01:26:077 (2,4) -
01:30:164 (3) - same ^
02:22:327 (7) - move up a few ticks, makes for a better flow
02:26:173 (7) - same ^, but down a few ticks
02:45:404 (1,2,1,2) - same as [Easy] and [Normal] comments

much luck!
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Thanks for your mod!
pw384
hello, as promise :D

just suggestions 'cuz i'm a nood D:
[Easy]
-Setting-
* HP=3 or lower
-Mapping-
* 01:45:789 (2) - this circle is covered by the slider... and it's confusing for newbies. so try this?
example
[/example]
* 02:05:020 (3) - same reason
* 02:10:308 (2) - x=432,y=24

[Normal]
-Mapping-
* 01:42:183 (3) - confusing in normal diff, then move to x=148,y=124

[Hard]
BEAUTIFUL DIFF and no suggestion <3

Good luck you'll need it with getting ranked soon~ :)

EDIT: code nazi fix
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Thanks for the mod! ^-^
TicClick
[General (every single difficulty)]
  1. 00:30:789 - you don't need the kiai burst here, in my opinion. The song here is no special (yeah, vocals rise here, but according to your logic you should also add kiai on 00:34:635 etc, which is not a good idea). You can check and see the worst appearance of this on Normal, where it pops up in the middle of a repeating slider (not even on the repeat itself!)
  2. 01:01:558 - this offset is way too loud for the music, comparing to previous volume level. Decrease it to 35%, please, and do the same for all the offsets with Normal sampleset that do not turn kiai time on.
  3. On a side note: the custom skin and the colour scheme you used is a pure eyerape for me, especially when playing with my default white cursor. Anyway, I guess it won't be changed :<
[Easy]
  1. 00:26:943 (1) - I don't find it good enough, how about changing it to something like http://puu.sh/1TRvu
  2. 01:00:356 (1) - please, no. Why? Because you put a note on the red tick after the spinner, and previous notes were placed on the white ones, so it's hard to catch, especially for the beginners (mostly because it's located on the upbeat)
  3. 01:16:702 (1,2) - may be a bit problematic to read due to stack
  4. 01:20:789 (1) - why do you have to waste sliders in this way? I would use a simple ring shape here
  5. 01:22:712 (2) - I see no point in bending it this hard, better restore its normal curve: http://puu.sh/1TRF6
  6. 01:40:741 (2,5) - may be problematic to hit due to upbeat (i.e. red ticks coming suddently)
  7. 01:43:385 (6) - better not to force symmetry here. If you move it somewhere else, you will a) restore the distance between this circle and next slider and b) prevent overlapping
  8. 01:54:202 (1) - may be hard to catch (see 01:00:356 (1) for reference)
  9. 01:54:683 (2,3) - I would put a note on 01:55:404 instead of forcing symmetry and skipping the big white tick
  10. 02:03:337 (1,2) and 02:05:741 (4,5) - how about making a better beat blanket: http://puu.sh/1TRKc
[Normal]
AR +1 so things like 00:47:856 (1,2,3,4,5) become more passable
  1. 00:11:558 (1,2) - I would make them curvy so they fit other sliders around
  2. 00:19:250 (1,2) - ^
  3. 00:34:635 (1) - not sure if I missed such things before or it's the first I meet, but clap doesn't sound well together with normal finish. Better remove the clap
  4. 00:47:375 (4,1) - better reduce the spacing here
  5. 01:50:596 (4) - I'd replace it with two short sliders to map the beat on 01:51:318
  6. 02:03:337 (1,2,3,4) - too many finish hitsounds in a row (they are also too loud for the music)
  7. 02:44:923 (2) - remove finish?
[Hard]
  1. 00:16:366 (2,3) - is it really that necessary to stack them? You just kill the flow
  2. 00:29:587 (6,7) - I don't feel like jumping here at all, mind at least decreasing it?
  3. 00:47:135 (3,4) - how about unstacking them? The reason is the same as for 00:16:366 (2,3)
  4. 01:16:943 (5) - looks ugly for me, mostly because the curvy part in the very middle has got the angle. Mind repairing?
  5. 01:22:712 (7) - I'd rotate it about 15-20 degrees right
  6. 02:03:337 (1,2,3,4) - too many finish hitsounds in a row (they are also too loud for the music)
  7. 02:05:260 (1) - place the clap on the end, not beginning? Sounds a bit awkward together with vocals)
  8. 02:56:943 (4) - I would mark it with a new combo for better readability
Aside from the combo colours, too loud hitsounds, copypasta and forced symmetry, you map is good enough. *sigh* I wish it was better, though, so if you have some free time, please, try fixing these four things even not completely.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Its a powerful song and thats why i put the hitsounds like this. It is your opinion if the map is ugly or not, its an old map and i try my best. Also this is not my current mappingstyle so please dont be so hard on me. Didnt change much though and still thanks for your time modding it! Made tiny changes.. Overall i like the mapset how it is at the moment.
TicClick
I understand that my mod may seem to be harsh or a bit aggressive, especially in the very end, but all I wanted is to make your map better. I don't say it's ugly — I pick the patterns and figures I found not good enough, and I try to show you the way to improve them. I did realize it's an old map of yours, so I skipped some parts that could be skipped, but I can't skip everything and bring no improvements at all, so I tried my best (at least I think so lol).

Basically, my goal is bringing maps to the better state, so I'd be happy to see at least some of suggestions you rejected, and, if possible, a short explanation for each of them telling why you didn't apply it. I don't really think that I'll convince you to change something else, but I'd like to know why you disapproved certain parts of my mod, so I can do better mods in future (I hope).
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Already said i changes a few, but not everything since its just opinion and style modding, which i dont find i want to change. And the map is not bad... Ive seen worse which are ranked. If you think you want to give criticism on the map do this but i wont accepts everything of course, noone does change everything.
RikiH_
M4M lol

Easy

00:07:712 (1,2) - They sound a bit odd, try to end them 1/2 earlier
01:08:770 (4,1) - This blanket can be better...
01:43:385 (6,1) - Move 6 elsewhere, it's confusing for newbie players on that slider
02:03:337 (1,2) - Blanket
02:05:741 (4,5,6) - The same

Normal

00:26:702 (1,2) - Why these sliders end on blue ticks? End them on red tick, it sounds better...
02:10:308 (4,5) - Put them in the center?
02:14:875 (2,3,4,5) - These blankets can be better
02:21:366 (2) - End this 1/4 later

Hard

00:19:250 (1,2) - I'm not sure about this jump. It's only 1/2 and for a hard is too difficult
01:09:130 (2) - This note is unneccessary imo, I don't hear any sound in this part of the song... Unfortunately this can be applied on all the triplets in the song :/

Well, good luck
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
01:43:385 (6,1) - Move 6 elsewhere, it's confusing for newbie players on that slider

Only changes this orz

Thanks for modding anyway
Darksonic
Hey!, here my mod :3 /late

Easy:

00:14:443 (4): What about moving to x:256 y:320?, this stack seems a bit bored.
00:32:712 (3,4,5): Please consider reduce spacing between notes here, it's a bit hard for beginners.
01:05:404 (1,2,3): Why you suddenly changed spacing to 0,7x?, try to move them with 0,8x instead.
01:35:212 (1,2): What about moving them to x:256 y:136? (CTRL+J in 01:31:366 (4,5) -, due there is a spinner after this, I guess that if you use symmetry flows better.
02:03:818 (2): Fix blanket? --> http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/592624
02:05:741 (4): If you followed my previous suggestion, then use same slider here. Also, a NC fits good here.
02:53:096 (5,6): I think a 1/1 slider here instead two notes fits better with vocal. If you don't want to change, consider to remove Finish on (6), sounds bad. I would recommend to add NC in 5 too.
02:57:423 (2,3): 1,6x spacing?, lol no, reduce it, remember it's an Easy diff, I wouldn't recommend to change spacing like this in the easier diff.

Normal:

00:15:404 (1,2,3): 1,2x spacing please.
01:03:241 (1,2,3): ^
01:28:000 (6,1): Stack them perfectly.
02:05:981 (2,3): ^
02:53:096 (6): Add NC?
02:53:577 (7): Remove Finish.

Hard:

AR-1?

00:11:077 (4,5,1): Move them to x:451 y:184, this way slider will be perfectly stacked with 00:10:596 (2) -
00:26:943 (1,2,3): Like this? (If you do, remember to stack (4) properly)
00:29:587 (6,7): This extreme jump feels a bit unnecesary, I know you're using symmetry here, but distance it's too big, reduce a bit.
00:47:135 (3,4): Stack them perfectly.
01:41:462 (3,4,5): Move them to x:192 y:120, to fix symmetry. (CTRL+H on 01:40:020 (1) - and you will see)
02:53:577 (2): Remove Finish.

That's it for me. Good luck :3
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
00:29:587 (6,7)This extreme jump feels a bit unnecesary, I know you're using symmetry here, but distance it's too big, reduce a bit.

I like this jump :) Everythin else changed! Thank you
RikiH_
I spent half an hour, you could at least give me a kudosu, I let you decide anyways...
Topic Starter
BounceBabe

RikiH_ wrote:

I spent half an hour, you could at least give me a kudosu, I let you decide anyways...
It wasn't a big help you know? And begging for a kudosu is not welcome. My mods also get rejects and no changes like you did, you don't need to kudosu for a NC change. And i don't need a kudosu if it wasn't helpful for the mapper. Modding is for helping to improve the map, it means that when the mapper gives you one that it was helpful, its not a challenge of collecting kudosu.
RikiH_

BounceBabe wrote:

RikiH_ wrote:

I spent half an hour, you could at least give me a kudosu, I let you decide anyways...
It wasn't a big help you know? And begging for a kudosu is not welcome. My mods also get rejects and no changes like you did, you don't need to kudosu for a NC change. And i don't need a kudosu if it wasn't helpful for the mapper. Modding is for helping to improve the map, it means that when the mapper gives you one that it was helpful, its not a challenge of collecting kudosu.
I also give a kudosu to people who care about my map and mod it. Anyways no problem, this is your opinion and I respect it, good luck with your map.
dosyeru
hi, you requested me mods, but those maps seem to have enough mods lol
this map is not worth to be in the Graveyard nor Pendings, so I decided to mod this ;)
Like I wrote previous mod, here are basically what I felt from the map.
I'm glad if you take up any of the following.

Easy
00:01:221 - you can add a note here.
00:05:068 - ^
01:00:356 - remove this note, and extend the spinner at here
01:16:943 (1,2)- these notes shouldn't be stacked because most of stacked notes in this diff are on white lines.
Since this diff is the easiest one, it causes confusion to newbies IMO.
01:18:385 (3) - remove Drum sound on this note

Normal
AR + 2
00:34:154 - add a note
00:34:395 - move a reverse slider here
00:36:318 - add a note
so that it sounds more fit in the music IMO
01:20:548 (2,3) - reverse these note and slider. that's more fit in the music IMO
here is an example of the placement in case you do.

Hard
AR -1
00:10:596 (2) - remove a note
00:14:443 - move this note to 00:14:202
00:26:943 - how about this rhythm?
01:28:241 (5,6,1) - the distance of notes iis not constant here. I suggest replacing (6) by x0.83 or making (1) be on y=204
02:43:481 (1,2,3) - I think these notes should not be stacked. how about making triangle?

that's all I felt.
I like the no sound of normal-sliderslide.wave, but it's up to you.
anyway, this is good map-set
I hope this map to be ranked :D
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Thanks for your mod, almost changed everything!
Andrea
~General~

You're missing some skin files - cursortrail.png & hit0.png.

Spinner-circle.png's dimensions must be exactly 666x666 (currently 666x665).

Default-comma.png, default-dot.png, default-percent.png and default-x.png are unused files.

Black.jpg file is missing into the folder.

Combo Colours are inconsistent through the difficulties.

Kiai Times are inconsistent through the difficulties.

Too many Kiai Fountains through the difficulties.


~Easy~

HP Drain -2 or -3 please.

Too many stacks in this difficulty, pretty confusing for beginners.


00:01:943 (3,1) - Not good to have anti-jump on Easy difficulty.
01:22:712 (2) - This slider doesn't follow anything.
02:30:741 (2,3,4) - This is too confusing for new players.
02:34:587 (2,3) - ^
02:57:423 (3,4,5) - ^

~Normal~

Approach Rate +1 perhaps.


00:26:702 (1,2) - Unsnapped sliders.
00:34:154 (5,1) - Wrong spacing.
00:37:520 (5) - Sounds weird.
00:40:885 (1,2,3,4) - Overlapped pattern, looks pretty bad.
00:51:702 (5) - New combo.
00:52:664 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:56:269 (1,2) - Overlap with spinner.
01:34:250 (1) - ^
01:54:443 (2) - Reverse arrow might be hidden due to the spinner.
02:18:481 (2,3) - These sliders looks ugly.
02:20:164 (4) - New combo.
02:21:125 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:24:731 (1) - Overlap with spinner.
02:29:539 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:30:020 (2) - New combo.
02:39:635 (1) - Overlap with spinner.
02:49:250 (4) - New combo.

~Hard~

02:22:087 (6,7) - This jump feels really random and out of sense.
02:25:933 (6,7) - ^
02:39:635 (1) - Overlap with spinner's hitburst.

This map still needs a lot of work.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe

Andrea wrote:

~General~

Kiai Times are inconsistent through the difficulties. Where?

Too many Kiai Fountains through the difficulties. No they fit the song


This map still needs a lot of work. Hahahaha, no
mm201

BounceBabe wrote:

Hahahaha, no
Show some respect to someone who has taken time out of their day to help you with your map.
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
I am not disrespectful lol
Parachute
Hi, heres the mod.^^

Easy

You used very much stacking.. you should avoid it at much points of your map like
00:39:443 (1,2) -
01:31:366 (4,5) -
01:41:462 (3,1) - Especially that.
02:53:096 (1,2) -
And always after a spinner.. dont do just 2 circles in the middle..

Spacing:
01:43:866 (1) - well i guess you shouldn't do that spacing on easy^^
also this.. 02:31:943 (3,4,5) - the 3 and 4.. change it x_x
02:35:789 (3,4,5) - ^

Normal

00:27:664 (2) - Do the slider end 1/8 back
02:44:923 (2,1) - Shouldn't do the 2 that near


Hard

00:03:385 (5) - Remove whistle and add a finish
00:49:779 (1,2,3,4) - This looks... weird... the 2 and 3.. get them more together ^^
02:15:356 (3,4,5,6,7) - 3 and 6.. add whistle, 7 .. remove whistle
02:19:202 (3,4,5,6,7) - ^
02:56:943 (1) - Random bpm change to 0,50.. should change that..

Normal and Hard are good.. but you should really change things on Easy ^^ GL.
pandaikon
hi

suggestions ahoy!

[Easy]
the map is pretty good, but it has a lot of stacked notes, which is not that cool to encounter in an easy diff. i would suggest removing most of the stacks, but that's up to you
also
01:08:769 (4,2,3) - i can see that you tried to do this symmetrically, but it's a little bit to clustered. you could try to move a little bit the slider with the note, possibly to change it's direction. you could also unstack 01:10:693 (2,3) and make a nicer pattern

[Normal]
good diff, but at times it can get really clustered, maybe you should try changing up a bit the patterns for a better flow?
00:41:366 (3,4,5) - it would've been nice to continue with 4 and 5 in a different direction
00:46:173 (1,2) - you could try stacking these notes as well
00:47:856 (1,2,3,4,5) - this might confuse inexperienced players
01:06:366 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - clustered
01:14:539 (2,1) - looks kinda eh, maybe move up 2 a little bit?
02:24:731 (1,2,3,4,5) - clustered as well

[Hard]
not much that i could find, but the spacing was at times odd. you could have used a higher slider velocity rate, but that's ok as it is

even though it's not really much, hope this mod helps~
good luck with the map!
Topic Starter
BounceBabe
Thanks for your mods! Changed almost everything and improved the stacking on Easy!
merchat7
Sorry for slight delay. A bit difficult to use the editor due to sample insert always appearing when I press alt. Still waiting for the new build. Because of this, I may be a bit lazier.

[General]

- I prefer 2000 audio lead-in

[Easy]

00:01:221 (2,2) - Prefer if you could follow the piano with whistle, e.g. whistle at begin and end of these two sliders.
00:24:539 (2,4) - Not too fond of these two claps since there is no sound like the clap in music. This is not the main reason. Since there is no sound like this in music, it cause the hitsound to be "accented". I feel this ruin the emphasis of the music on the stanza e.g. sound on 00:25:020 and 00:26:943. I recommend removing or lowering the volume of these two claps.
00:29:587 (2) - The note isn't following a strong sound in music (piano is pretty quiet there), I think it's better to follow the vocal 1/2 later with a 1/2 repeating slider. This make it nicer to catch 00:30:789 (1) - as well due to the simple 1/1 rhythm rather then x/2 rhythm. http://puu.sh/20Izp
00:31:510 (2) - No piano at end, so I don't think you should have whistle there.
00:32:712 (3,4) - Very similar to 00:29:587. If you want to follow the piano, then I recommend slider starting on (3) and ending on (4) instead. It's pretty hard to catch this 3/2 hit circle rhythm here.
00:34:635 (1) - Whistle at end for piano
00:36:077 (2) - There is piano here, but since you don't have anything on 00:35:837 and 00:36:318, I think it's best to remove it. Or consider this alternate rhythm, hit circle is on 00:35:837 http://puu.sh/20IHF. Whistle at end of (1), on (2) and begin of (3). Sound pretty nice I think.
00:39:443 (1,2) - I think you'll feel the song more if you choose to focus on the piano here, e.g. a rhythm like this http://puu.sh/20IOj. For hitsounding, whistle on all place you can put it except slider body.
00:42:327 (3,4,5) - ^ http://puu.sh/20IQy two 3/2 sliders seem best here. Whistle end of (3), begin and end of (4).
00:51:943 (3) - Same as 00:31:510.
01:16:702 (1) - Stack on (2)?
01:31:366 (4,5) -
01:31:366 (4) - I prefer if you move this to 01:30:885 as current spot doesn't have any real sound from music while 01:30:885 has vocal.
01:43:866 (1) - Edit in notepad the B of this slider to P and adjust in editor (Use the new slider algorithm), it'll look better.
01:39:058 (1) - I feel this note are lead-up, so I don't think you should start your whistle pattern yet. Consider removing whistle here.
02:03:337 (1) - Whistle sound nice to me here.
02:08:866 (1,2) - You have claps on the stanza so don't see why no clap at begin of slider and on hit circle?
02:53:577 (2) - Sure about finish? Don't think it fit here and I can't hear any cymbal sounds here.Just whistle seem nicer. If you want finish, then put it here 02:53:096 (1) - to be consistent with your other finish placement.

I feel rhythm at beginning would be better if you focus more on piano. The rhythm you did there feel like you're following drum, but no drum plays there.

[Normal]

- 00:46:173 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - This part is really difficult to read with this ar. +1 ar or rearrange these pattern.

00:01:221 (2,4) - Same as Easy, add whistle
00:13:241 (3) - Lead better to pause to me if you do whistle instead of clap. Clap suggest to me that the rhythm is going to continue.
00:15:645 (2) - Whistle at begin for piano
00:17:327 (1) - ^ at end
00:19:971 (2) - Consider whistle at end
00:20:933 (3) - Same as 00:13:241. Incase i forget to mention, this apply to all similar rhythm.
00:24:058 (2,2) - Piano is at end not begin, so I think it's best for whistle to be at end
00:30:548 (1) - Whistle on 2nd repeat
00:32:952 (4) - Whistle on begin
00:36:798 (4) - Consider new combo for readability, I know most Normal player would try to click (4) first and get confused here.
00:37:039 (5) - Whistle at begin perhaps.
00:56:750 (2) - Whistle at repeat is better to me then clap
01:05:164 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think whistle should be on the red tick with piano instead so end of (1), (3), (5) and remove from (2,4).
01:08:529 (1) - Fix the spacing, even through it's minor, I hit this too early at first due to the closer spacing.
01:09:971 (5) - Whistle at begin
01:54:202 (1) - I prefer much more if this is place on the white tick like 01:49:635 (1) -
02:03:818 (2,3,4) - While, I like how how you did the finish, it doesn't fit well with how you do whistle (it feel like one part, no whistle, then the part, lot of whistles). So I recommend changing the hitsound of these three notes to whistle instead of finish.
02:14:635 (1) - Place a little closer to center? I feel a little far to the corner after playing spinner http://puu.sh/20JGY
02:15:356 (3) - This blanket can definitely be better
02:18:000 (1) - No piano, so no whistle
02:19:202 (3) - Whistle at end for piano.
02:24:731 (2) - Just making sure, no new combo on this is intentional?
02:45:404 (1) - 0.6x spacing feel really weird here.
02:45:404 (1,2,1,2) - Consider whistle on the repeat for the piano.
02:53:096 (1,2) - Read Easy, same as Easy.

I didn't mention everything for hitsounding, please keep this in mind. I notice that I like your hitsounding much more when you follow the piano properly with hitsound, that's the only advice I can give you.

[Hard]

00:36:318 (1) - Would be better with new slider algorithm (B > P) and remove all slider point, but one.

Ignore hitsound, since it should be oblivious now what I want you to do. Pattern seem good in general, I don't have anything really to mention.

Main reason why I always mod hitsound first is that if I don't, it's very difficult for me to find anything else. Like I think some rhythm is weird, but in reality, it's just the hitsounding that need changing, etc. In general, hitsounding can be improve quite a lot. Rhythms in Easy & Normal can definitely be improve. Hard just need whistle with the piano and then it'll be close to perfect.

Hitsound error is too major for my taste, so cannot star.

Hope this mod help ,good luck
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