2017-06-04 10:44 timemon: are you free right now? I want to hear your opinion on my map lol
2017-06-04 10:45 timemon: not really a mod, I have no idea how to put jumps and stuff
2017-06-04 10:45 HighTec: uh
2017-06-04 10:45 HighTec: sure
2017-06-04 10:45 HighTec: if u hold up a minute tho
2017-06-04 10:45 HighTec: lemme dress up pls
2017-06-04 10:45 timemon: no rush :^)
2017-06-04 10:45 timemon: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1310853 NanosizeMir - Philosophyz -NanosizeMir Ver.-]
2017-06-04 11:15 HighTec: ok
2017-06-04 11:15 HighTec: lets see
2017-06-04 11:16 timemon: o
2017-06-04 11:17 HighTec: anything in particular to which i should pay attention to
2017-06-04 11:17 timemon: jumps and stuff
2017-06-04 11:17 timemon: first time mapping anything jumpy lol
2017-06-04 11:19 HighTec: ACTION is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1310853 NanosizeMir - Philosophyz -NanosizeMir Ver.- [Insane]]
2017-06-04 11:24 HighTec: h
2017-06-04 11:24 HighTec: m
2017-06-04 11:24 HighTec: i see big flow inconsistencies
2017-06-04 11:24 timemon: mmm
2017-06-04 11:24 timemon: how do I fix it
2017-06-04 11:24 HighTec: to explain it easily
2017-06-04 11:24 HighTec: so you have circular flow
2017-06-04 11:24 HighTec: linear flow
2017-06-04 11:24 HighTec: but also negative flow
2017-06-04 11:25 HighTec: what do i mean with negative flow?
2017-06-04 11:25 HighTec: try to imagine yourself mapping something in one circular direction, so you have basic circular motion/flow
2017-06-04 11:25 timemon: ye
2017-06-04 11:25 HighTec: what negative flow does is reverse/break that motion to emphasise a new (for example) major downbeat or certain sound in the song
2017-06-04 11:26 timemon: m
2017-06-04 11:26 HighTec: what I see you doing here is sometimes implementing negative flow but then not doing it consistently on the same points in the song which should then be empasised the same way
2017-06-04 11:26 HighTec: not only spacing emphasises something, but also clickability and yes, the negative flow
2017-06-04 11:27 HighTec: 01:11:116 (5,1) - like here you implement negative flow by breaking the old circular one, but at 01:14:116 (5,1) - you dont
2017-06-04 11:27 timemon: I only know that downbeat tends to change the flow
2017-06-04 11:27 HighTec: 01:14:491 (1) - and i mean, this is a pretty strong vocal so reversing flow here would be really beneficial
2017-06-04 11:27 timemon: I see
2017-06-04 11:27 HighTec: 01:14:866 (2,3) - instead you reverse flow here but the song is the same as on 01:14:491 (1) - so it doesn't make much sense
2017-06-04 11:27 timemon: I never thought about that before
2017-06-04 11:28 timemon: so I could fix that by
2017-06-04 11:28 timemon: ctrl G the 01:14:491 (1) -
2017-06-04 11:28 timemon: then fix the jump ppatern?
2017-06-04 11:28 HighTec: yea pretty much
2017-06-04 11:28 HighTec: yea
2017-06-04 11:28 HighTec: thats a good way to solve that
2017-06-04 11:29 HighTec: but this happens a lot all throughout the map; try to look at some similar situations in the other kiais too and i think you'll get through easily
2017-06-04 11:29 timemon: yeah I get what you mean
2017-06-04 11:29 timemon: I never thought about flow when I mapped this tbh lol I just put stuff there
2017-06-04 11:30 HighTec: 01:17:116 (1,2,3) - also can u NC all of these and at similar situations to help readability cuz the spacing change is by far not notable enough
2017-06-04 11:30 timemon: yeah you mistook it for a 1/2
2017-06-04 11:30 timemon: I could increase the spacing as well
2017-06-04 11:30 HighTec: na would keep spacing the same
2017-06-04 11:30 HighTec: cuz it's not too strong in the song as the other instruments fade
2017-06-04 11:30 HighTec: just NCing it would be cool
2017-06-04 11:31 timemon: I still dont understand cursor movement sometimes
2017-06-04 11:31 timemon: 01:26:491 (1) - is this a reverse flow?
2017-06-04 11:31 HighTec: yea
2017-06-04 11:31 HighTec: cuz watch this
2017-06-04 11:33 timemon: this one isn't reverse flow so I should change it right 02:29:491 (1) -
2017-06-04 11:33 HighTec:
https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/ejb0iRNk2017-06-04 11:33 HighTec: try to look at as lines
2017-06-04 11:33 HighTec: does the line break the movement given before?
2017-06-04 11:33 HighTec: if yes: negative flow
2017-06-04 11:33 HighTec: if no: natural flow
2017-06-04 11:33 timemon: I see
2017-06-04 11:34 timemon: wait then this one breaks the flow? 02:26:491 (1,2) -
2017-06-04 11:34 HighTec: not really
2017-06-04 11:34 HighTec: that kind of patterns
2017-06-04 11:34 HighTec: stimulates a different type of movement
2017-06-04 11:35 timemon: then this one? 02:27:991 (6) -
2017-06-04 11:35 HighTec:
https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/mkGygrdl2017-06-04 11:35 HighTec: this is how players would generally play that
2017-06-04 11:35 timemon: yea
2017-06-04 11:35 HighTec: as following from the slider, the 02:27:804 (5) - starts a change in direction
2017-06-04 11:36 timemon: yeah the 6 should be on the left side
2017-06-04 11:36 HighTec: 02:38:866 (2,5) - also stack or i will nuke your mom
2017-06-04 11:36 timemon: didn't see it but thanks
2017-06-04 11:36 HighTec: anyhow i see that you're improving so that's cool to see^^
2017-06-04 11:37 HighTec: however map seems a bit mapped around the centre and not too much in the corners :eyes:
2017-06-04 11:37 timemon: I have that problem yeah
2017-06-04 11:37 timemon: btw have you even seen my maps before lol
2017-06-04 11:37 timemon: I really started mapping like a month and a half ago
2017-06-04 11:38 HighTec: i remembered last year lol
2017-06-04 11:38 HighTec: when u made like ur first few maps
2017-06-04 11:38 timemon: did that even count lol
2017-06-04 11:38 HighTec: ye
2017-06-04 11:38 HighTec: every map is improvment (usually)
2017-06-04 11:38 timemon: I mapped those then just quit
2017-06-04 11:38 timemon: I only started modding and mapping like 1 month ago
2017-06-04 11:39 HighTec: oo nice
2017-06-04 11:39 HighTec: good thing im about to quit mapping
2017-06-04 11:39 timemon: lol why
2017-06-04 11:39 HighTec: if i didnt make bn test then ill quit
2017-06-04 11:39 HighTec: idk i dont enjoy it anymore
2017-06-04 11:39 timemon: o
2017-06-04 11:40 timemon: it's a lot of work
2017-06-04 11:40 timemon: but you can retry for the BN test right?
2017-06-04 11:40 timemon: even if you fail
2017-06-04 11:40 HighTec: no
2017-06-04 11:40 HighTec: or i can try again later
2017-06-04 11:40 HighTec: after like half a year or so
2017-06-04 11:41 timemon: it's a rule that you cannot?
2017-06-04 11:41 HighTec: theres no retry thing
2017-06-04 11:41 HighTec: you have to wait for next test if u wanna try again
2017-06-04 11:41 timemon: the tests are not that frequent?
2017-06-04 11:42 timemon: btw what are straight line flows?
2017-06-04 11:42 timemon: I think my map is circular flow
2017-06-04 11:42 HighTec: tests are like only half a year or 3 months
2017-06-04 11:43 HighTec: yea ur map is more circular
2017-06-04 11:43 timemon: the BN population is so low though
2017-06-04 11:43 timemon: they should do it more
2017-06-04 11:43 HighTec: it has to be an explicit group so i mean
2017-06-04 11:43 HighTec: also linear flow is more or less back-and-fourths
2017-06-04 11:43 timemon: ah the up and down things like in monstrata map?
2017-06-04 11:44 HighTec: mor or less yea
2017-06-04 11:44 timemon: so this one? 03:53:491 (2,3,4,5,6,1) -
2017-06-04 11:44 timemon: alos dat overlap lol
2017-06-04 11:45 HighTec: yaa
2017-06-04 11:45 timemon: when is the BN test?
2017-06-04 11:46 HighTec: i made it 2 days ago
2017-06-04 11:46 HighTec: you have up until monday to finish it
2017-06-04 11:46 HighTec: so results in 2 weeks with new tier1 bns
2017-06-04 11:46 timemon: so you already did your work
2017-06-04 11:47 timemon: and waiting for the results?
2017-06-04 11:47 HighTec: ya basically
2017-06-04 11:47 HighTec: it's shitty to wait on the results dude
2017-06-04 11:47 timemon: im waiting for my GPA rn lol
2017-06-04 11:47 timemon: been a week
2017-06-04 11:47 HighTec: owo
2017-06-04 11:48 timemon: this song is so cool but im not sure if this one has a shot at going for ranked
2017-06-04 11:48 timemon: my other map has like 29 SP and it's far from good quality lol
2017-06-04 11:49 HighTec: just map on and someday youll find that your map is good enough for ranked
2017-06-04 11:50 timemon: map on?
2017-06-04 11:50 HighTec: continue mapping more
2017-06-04 11:51 timemon: should I just keep moving on for next maps then
2017-06-04 11:51 timemon: or I try to gather some mods
2017-06-04 11:51 HighTec: gathering mods is always good
2017-06-04 11:51 HighTec: only if they are useful tho ;;
2017-06-04 11:52 timemon: im getting one rn :^)))
2017-06-04 11:52 HighTec: na i didnt mod it
2017-06-04 11:52 timemon: you should post irc chat
2017-06-04 11:52 timemon: you taught me about flow
2017-06-04 11:53 timemon: that's a pretty huge mode
2017-06-04 11:53 HighTec: im not in the mood for writing constructive points on everything i notice
2017-06-04 11:53 HighTec: :^)