timemon wrote:

M4M
[Doom]
00:06:874 (6) - this slider is held for too long and can be a bit boring, why not make them 2 kick sliders and a circle I think it fits the intensity of the song. It's a variant so it still fits.
00:12:869 (6,7,8,9,10) - more intense spacing? because the first burst in the map is arranged in a pretty brutal way and this one is very similar but arranged in a much tamer way. The first pattern you simply aim at the center and hit them all, so intensity wise I think the spacing is okay.

00:14:118 (2,1) - a bit of overlap Fixed

00:17:615 (2) - I only hear the 1/4 sounds at 00:17:864 - not at the start of the slider. Break it into a normal slider and then a repeat 1/4 at 00:17:864 - ?
the final tick at 00:18:114 - should also be clickable as it's the final note before the short break It's faint, but it's supported. I clarify this by dampening the hitsounding as well.

00:29:105 (1) - held for too long, should break up into multiple sliders as you have the green lines set up for this, you can get away with 1/8 gap if the spacing is not too large Not really, because it fits the feel of the song better this way.

[Easy]
the intro does not have hitsounds, you should add some whistle or clap. Forgot to copy the hitsounds. whoops
00:09:122 (2) - change to 1/2 slider with a reverse arrow? Fixed
00:33:102 (2,3) - should be a slider but I guess it's for variety It's for variety, but it especially fits here because 2 circles is more intense than a slider.

[Normal]
the intro does not have hitsounds, you should add some whistle or clap. whoops
00:05:125 (2,3) - their order should be switched, the slider ends on a strong sound. Also from looking at the diff mostly of this sound ends on the sliderend but this is one of the few that is actually clickable It's hard to tell because they're similar in strength. Even then, this rhythm still fits.
00:13:118 (2,3) - ^

00:08:123 (1) - slider shape is a bit toIt's just for a slight variation. I don't see anything wrong with it though.g wrong with it though.[/color]
00:09:122 (2) - change to 1/2 slider with a reverse Fixed

Good luck!

Einja wrote:

m4m
my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/629277

[general]
why is canadianbaka in the tags? CanadianBaka was one of the gders before I had to remove his diff. He's still there because his diff's external now.

[easy]
00:09:122 (2) - with the overlap this has with 00:10:121 (1) - it can be confusing for new players. also it's not good to overlap in easy :c Fixed

00:28:106 (1) - touches hp bar xd (i wouldn't want to see that in an easy diff) I don't think it's an issue as the player can clearly see the slider body roll out and it's antipated due to the previous groups.


[normal]
during kiai, ds becomes really inconsistent. in the first half, these notes 00:30:104 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - all have about 1.0 ds, but then 00:36:099 (1,2,3,1) - starts to have less than .9 I can't find the issue. They look fine.

[dooooooooom]
00:02:127 (1) - this object is unsnapped, but for some reason it doesn't state in aimod. Resnapped all notes to stay safe

00:06:873 (6) - slider is held too long imo, i'd rather have this slider go like http://prntscr.com/fqi7xz since the last 2 beats of the reverse arrow are more intense and should be clicked. For this case your method is unintuitive because while yes it's correct, the player won't be prepared to hit this as it'd be a one time occurence.

00:12:869 (6,7,8,9,10) - burst right here is a lot less intense than 00:04:875 (6,7,1,2,1) - i think you should make both the same intensity, You can aim at the center of the harder pattern, so it balances out.

00:33:601 (1,1,1,1) - uhh, what's the point of ncing the notes other than aesthetics? it looks cool, but i don't see a purpose in it. Aesthetics? lol. For real though, multiple parts used 1/8 and so does this part. Only this is the rare case where there are actual beats on the 1/8 ticks, so I get my idea across as clear as possible with the unique pattern and coloring.


ok 30 second map = 30 second mod, gl!

-CerealBox- wrote:

Hey, I was playing through your map and noticed one small thing in your [Doom] Difficulty.

00:17:614 - This slider here seems to be 1/2 beat overmapped while missing another beat.


Maybe consider changing it to something like this.


I think it follows the beat of the song as it should, But I do see what you're trying to do, I just can't really put it into words right now. But in my personal opinion I think the two circles and then a slider would follow the song much nicer.

Anyways, fun map.

Fursum wrote:

hi

[Hitsounds]

00:29:104 - Should probably increase the hitsound volume more, currently its not really noticeable.
I've checked every diff, and it seems fine to me. Note I have all my audio settings at 100%

[Easy]

00:14:117 (2,3) - These long sliders could be mapped more, also it looks like a penis. I don't understand what you mean. Also I just realized the penis thing LOL

[Normal]

00:30:104 - The patterns linearity feels off in this section, why not make it angled like the straight sliders on previous sections?
If thats what you are going for;
00:33:601 (2,3) - These aren't leveled with the previous two objects, move them up 4 pixels. I think you meant down 4 pixels, but fixed

00:32:852 (4) - and 00:34:850 (2) - The linear patterns are inconsistent with the NC's. (4) is in line with the next combo but (2) isn't. 00:33:102 (1,2,3) - The dip you hear here makes this a unique part of the song, which is why I had the nc on the different note.
or
00:34:100 - This pattern should be rounder as this 00:31:103 - I think it's okay. It doesn't need to be exactly the same as it keeps the player interested.

[Light Insane]

00:08:372 (2,4,5) - This looks off because of the stack but don't have any suggestion for that :d

00:26:107 (1) - If you put this closer to middle it feels more anti-climactic to me. I don't think how close it is to the middle matters as I only placed the upcoming notes there because I needed room.

00:37:597 (1) - This movement is kind of unexpected because you don't have anything like this with 3 reverse sliders, closest one is 00:31:602 (5,1) - this.
Something like this would fit better imo. The reason I didn't do your suggestion is it's because it's meant to be unexpected. I used the slower sv and different color to contrast that this note signifies the end, so to bring it out like in your suggestion removes it's purpose.

[Doom]

00:31:602 - Hitsounds are different from here 00:35:599 -
checked the other diffs for this, they were fine. That whistle was a result of a copier. My ideas weren't exactly the same as Gero's so it didn't perfectly apply the hitsounds. Removed it.

00:06:373 (4) - Why not make this a slider as well? Because it's variation. It doesn't have to be the same because it keeps the player engaged.

00:18:114 - Considering this is the last diff, making this clickable wouldn't hurt. What good would that do though? I feel it fits the vibe of the song better this way.


00:21:611 - The hitsounds on slider ends are very offputting. 00:23:609 (1,2,3,4) - They are clickable on this part however they have something to get mapped, though my point still stands. Result of the copier. Removed.

00:33:601 - Clickable parts could be on the other ends of the sliders, that way theres less chance of notelocks and movement fits better imo, also you did a similar thing here 00:37:098 (1,1,1,1) - Well, I didn't want to randomly throw in 1/8 streams as they were very subtle anyway. Also this and 00:37:098 (1,1,1,1) - are variations of the same idea. They share the same rhythm because they're part of the same chorus. Instead you map a variation of the pattern to keep the player interested while still being accurate.

My map if you feel like modding xd

Bubblun wrote:

00:14:117 (2,3) - These long sliders could be mapped more, also it looks like a penis. I don't understand what you mean. Also I just realized the penis thing LOL

Fursum wrote:

Bubblun wrote:

00:14:117 (2,3) - These long sliders could be mapped more, also it looks like a penis. I don't understand what you mean. Also I just realized the penis thing LOL

I mean you skipped a lot of notes with the long sliders, could be mapped with a similar rythm as before

[[Pika]] wrote:

m4m heydad

Easy
00:05:125 (2) - this would be better as 1/2 to cover the synth
I don't see how what I have now is an issue.
00:13:118 (1) - this might be a little hard to read (plus it doesn't look too good) i suggest straightening it or making the curve less pronounced https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8911948 Fixed
00:33:102 (2,3) - imo this should be a 1/2 reverse slider to cover the sound in between
Again, I don't think that's enough justification for me to apply your suggestion. It seems like an alternative, but atm I'm keeping my idea.
00:37:098 (4) - why is this a reverse slider when there isn't any sound at the end, should be just a normal slider or two circles Because the song ends at 00:38:097 - so to not have a beat there would cut to the scoreboard early.

Normal
00:02:128 (1,2) - what is so different about the sounds that these two sliders represent that warrants different styles of sliders? make them both straight sliders thanks I think you're over analyzing it. There is no 'interesting' idea behind this besides the fact it's two 1/2 sliders. I just used 2 different shapes because I felt it looked good.
00:08:123 (1) - make the stub more pronounced because it looks really ugly rn https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8911973 Fixed
00:10:121 (3) - u forgot to nc here nerd Right. Thanks
00:17:115 (2,3) - all of your other instances have slider - circle :/ consistency 00:17:364 - Hear those 2 sounds? Highlighting these makes the map more interesting, so keeping the same rhythm would be boring.
00:30:104 - did you forget to turn on kiai or something (wait you also fucked up your slider velocity too hmm)Whoops. I think I deleted the line by accident. Fixed

Irre's Hard
00:06:998 - add note for background noise
00:17:614 (2,3,1) - (3) should be stacked on (1) because the railroad clanking sound is only on (2)
00:27:606 (2,3,4,5,6) - is this even legal
the kiai feels bland because you barely emphasize the synth sounds :<

Gerblun's Light Insane
00:06:623 (2) - is this slider rankable
00:17:864 (1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - 13 note streams in a light insane with a confusing buzz slider at the start :HMMMM:
00:23:609 (1,2,3,4,1) - is this rankable I don't see how it would be. Even if the player can't see it, the player can 'feel' for it because of repetition.
kiai is also bland like Hard as the synths aren't emphasized at allYea you're helpful. Maybe point out specific points I could make more interesting.

Gero's Insane
00:13:618 (1,2,3,1) - there isn't anything in the song to support this kind of jump tbh, just move the stack to the right (a lot) to like 132|342
00:16:116 (1,2,1,2) - the kickslider worthy sounds are only present in the first combo, make the second combo circles
00:19:613 (1,1,1,1,1) - jumpstreams in an insane, great. the kickslider stream is also pretty unintuitive as the clickable notes aren't in a clear path. i'd just reduce the spacing on the kickslider stream and connect it to the next slider (somehow)
00:20:113 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - this is bland and doesn't mechanically represent the rising pitch of the song
00:23:610 (1,1,1,1,1) - see kickslider stream
00:24:109 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - see mechanical representation
00:33:601 (1,1) - map to the song and not to the imaginary drum in your head, these sounds are 1/4 not 1/8
00:35:600 (1,1,1,1) - why are these lower spaced than the stream following it when there's no noticeable sound change

Doom
this diff has problems and like
a lot of fucking problems
you have absurd jumpstreams and happy-go-lucky new combo usage that basically makes this map a complete nightmare to read for players that this map is supposedly suited towards (based of SR) Before I get into responding to the mods, let me remind you SR isn't accurate.
While the sr isn't high, I used mapping concepts of an Extra. (Spaced streams, 1/4 jumps, sv manipulation)
SR isn't good at calculating gimmicks or anything technical, which is why the map ends up like this.

00:01:877 (1,2,3,1) - (1) and (2) are off-center, select both and move to 209|114 Fixed. Tho applied differently.
00:02:626 (1,1) - this isn't even a jumpstream anymore Okay, point being?
00:03:376 (1,1) - this is incredibly misleading because the slow slider blocks off most of the faster slider You don't need to see the rest of the fast slider because it's quick enough to act as a kick slider.
00:05:124 (1) - completely ignores synth, nice. could just do 1/4 slider into circle zz If you could point out where the 'synth' is, that'd be great. I feel this rhythm works because there are 3 distinct sounds on each end of the slider.
00:08:122 (1,2) - this isn't overmapped enough, make into 4 separate high sv 1/4 sliders This doesn't seem like a serious point so no response.
00:09:371 (1,2) - why are these different sliders on the same sound, just use some sv magic They don't have to be exactly the same to represent the same sound. Mapping it this way is no different than if it was two straight sliders in the same motion.
00:10:870 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm doesn't even match the song in any way It's variation I decided to add in. I feel it still fits because even though I'm ignoring the sounds at 00:11:494 - 00:11:119 - I cover them up with hitsounds.
It's more new, interesting patterns to keep the player on edge.
00:12:119 (1,2,3,4) - lame when compared to your previous stuff idc how lame you think it is. It's a new pattern that sticks out, and that's what will keep the player engaged.
00:16:615 (1,2) - flip the places of (2) and (1) because that's what your jumpstream tower says There's extra emphasis on 00:16:615 (1) - which is why I didn't place it where the player expected it to be.
00:17:864 (1) - finish spam and a weird buzzslider ok_hand Okay. Tell me how to fix it.

00:21:611 (3,4) - why not copy 00:25:607 (1,2) - and raise SV to cover the sounds that you're skipping It only seems like there are sounds there because of the hitsounds. Let me remove the hitsounds from the first pair, but keeping them on the second.
00:23:609 (1,2,3,4) - (3) and (4) should be the same distance as (1) and (2) for consistency and because there's really no reason for them to be higher spaced It's just a visual effect. 3-4 are not far enough to have more emphasis than 1-2.
00:30:478 (2) - why to this and all of the other random little kicksliders Because it makes the jump to 00:30:603 (3) - easier to hit. Slider leniency.
00:32:352 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - overmapped to hell I don't get what you mean, there are sounds on there, and I caught the emotion of the song by having the spacing decrease. What's wrong with this section?
00:33:601 (1,1,2,1) - 00:33:975 (1) - this should be the third note not 00:33:850 (2) - this for flow and because it's misleading (this is also overmapped to hell) I don't agree. Although subtle, there are 1/8 sounds on the ends of those sliders. Also I think the coloring (while misleading) is still interesting because it creates a neat visual.
00:36:099 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - shouldn't this be a lot higher spaced or just be jumps instead of a slow stream Not really, because the motion of playing streams is different then stream jumps, so I justify them based on variety. It's a new pattern to keep the player interested.
00:37:098 (1,1,1,1,1) - might wanna just nc the first and last note for readability The sliders gradually get faster, which is why they go through the colors.
00:37:597 (1) - this slider isn't even the same length as the others :/ rip aesthetic It's not meant to be like the others. It's offset because it's a strange place for the sound. The awkward positioning makes it stand out, which is why I say it's supported.



jesus christ this diff

Sotarks wrote:

Sorry for late!

[Doom]
00:03:126 (1) - why you ended the slider here, there's like no sound ? finish it on the 1/8 tic 00:03:313 -

I ended it here because 2-3 are not in the same group. Easiest way to explain it is I could replace 1 with a circle and it'd still fit.

00:08:122 (1,2,1) - oh please clean this up, the overlap here looks messy I don't agree. I didn't perfectly overlap them because it wouldn't be a new pattern. I'm not afraid to get a bit messy for the sake of sticking out.

00:11:119 - here you skip a beat, 00:10:994 (2) - just end this slider there, makes more sense. I think the rhythm still fits. It's extended because it forces the player to freeze longer, putting more emphasis on 1. I tried covering the beat on the white tick with the hitsounding tho.

00:17:864 (1) - equalize that triangle xd lol. fixed

00:36:598 (5) - nc here I don't think I need an nc here, because unlike the doubles, the jumps are close enough for the player to know it's 1/4, but spaced enough to show the beat there.

00:36:973 (8,1,1,1,1,1) - make this flow like a star jump pattern pls, reading will be easier and smoother to play. I'm not doing that, because it's completely different than my intended pattern. To make them jumps would take away the vibe it gives off, which is this 'final build-up' only for the anti-clamatic ending with 1.


[Another]
00:05:374 (1) - this is barely not readable imo Even if the player can't see it completely, they can 'feel' for it because of the rhythm. Also they can see the approach circle, so they're not completely blind.

00:06:623 (5) - x200 y53 Done

00:06:873 (6) - can you maybe do an alternative than a long reverse, it's zzz
00:08:871 (2) - ^ Fixed first one. The second one is essential for the buildup I was suggesting with 00:08:122 (3,4,1,2) -

good diff

gl

Hollow Wings wrote:

m4m

General

1. i don't really know how nominators nowadays deal with skins, shouldn't be the skin in a full set in it's class?
   Yes you're correct. If you customize any of the parts of the circle, you need to either customize the rest of the parts used to make that circle or use the template.
   For this case I skinned the hitcircle.png, so I added the template hitcircleoverlay.png and approachcircle.png, and adjusted the sliderborders to 255,255,255 (white) so there would be no weird over-rides with the player's skin.

Doom

1. generally i wanna say something about the sv setting: it usually seems like we cant directly judge a sliders sv when we play a map full of sv changes in sliders, so like i did in my map TSUBAKI, i give special combo color for proper sv setting to notice players its sv and make it be more sense to others, which you tired to do to this map as well i guess. BUT you didn't do it very consistent to every pattern, like i still see sliders other than red color be really fast and confused me very much when i play it. i suggest you check the whole map in detail again and give regular setting to all of your sliders once more.
   Went through the map and applied the new knowledge to some places.
2. 00:33:601 (1,1,2,1) - still suggest you use common setting to nc instead of reading trick here, not that necessary.
   I think the reading trick is an interesting idea, so I'm gonna keep it.
3. 00:20:112 (1,2,3,4) - about green lines setting here: seems like you wanna mute or somehow low down volume of sliders' ends here and some familiar patterns' as well, but this kind of doing is not that convenient, even a really tough way. the better way of doing is give another hitsound which is a nearly mute sound in the same set (yours is like as soft-hitnormal) and replace the current sampleset (yours is drum-hitnormal), completing it directly instead of adding too much green lines. i recommend you shall learn and practice how to do that if you still do this kind of sliders often. Your suggestion is definitely easier, but since this map is complete really no point in going back and redoing it. I'll remember to do it this way from now on.
4. the map itself is already good enough to me to get ranked, a star is deserved imo.aw thx <3

Another

1. 00:06:124 (3) - i still think if you give 1/8 sliders here at 00:03:126 (3,4) - , you need to arrange those violin's beats' slider in same version. this is kind of general mod to the whole map in this diff, check it all if you want to. Fixed

1. 00:36:099(3) - you could put the slider reverse here, instead of putting it on the next note and you could put a circle at that point 00: 37: 597 - to end the song.

1. 00:34:101(1,2,3,4,5) - this part bears some resemblance to this 00: 31: 103 (1,2,3,4) - you could keep those same notes since the tension for the final begins at 00:36:099 -
   (this aki is very personal want you to follow or it is not of your choice)

TheBenderGamer wrote:

M4M

Easy

1. 00:36:099(3) - you could put the slider reverse here, instead of putting it on the next note and you could put a circle at that point 00: 37: 597 - to end the song.fixed

Normal

1. 00:34:101(1,2,3,4,5) - this part bears some resemblance to this 00: 31: 103 (1,2,3,4) - you could keep those same notes since the tension for the final begins at 00:36:099 -
   (this aki is very personal want you to follow or it is not of your choice)00:36:099 (1,2,3) - There's fluctuation in the intensity of this part, so having a consistent rhythm wouldn't best fit the vibe.

The rest of the map is very good
Good luck

Kisses wrote:

Doom
00:30:603 (1,2,3,4) - This is by far the hardest pattern in the latter part of the map. I think it has some thought put into the playability into it. While I generally care less about gameplay, my original pattern didn't fit well, so I changed it to a circular-pattern like this one.

00:36:973 (8) - I don't really know why this is a kickslider, could you enlighten me? same with 00:35:974 (4) - I did this because it creates a contrast between the spaced streams and the stream jumps. It lightens up the hitbox because of the leniency.

00:37:098 (1,1,1,1,1) - circular flow on the heads makes it quite tricky to play (it plays like a pentagon) I changed it up a bit so it incorporated a jump-like pattern. The spacing was increased slightly to fit in the pattern, but I feel it still fits.

00:36:598 (5) - spacing this away from 4 would give better emphasis and make the quadruplets more distinctive, 00:36:099 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:36:598 (5,6,7,8) - . Same applies with 00:36:099 (1) - and 00:35:974 (4) - I think the angled I placed the notes and the NC on 1 already makes it distinct enough. 00:36:473 (4,5) - I think the straight line created by 4-5 creates the distinction okay.
Reason I wouldn't space it out more is because it's a weaker shift than the beat at 1. Connecting these notes visually I thought looked better.

Overall I don't really get the ending, you have spaced patterns like 00:30:603 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:32:352 (1,2,1,2) - then the rest are pretty linear. There's a massive difficulty that these 2 patterns create When it comes to most of my maps, very rarely do I create something to be flowwy or playable.
My goal when it comes to mapping is to create something interesting, along with challenging. The only playability aspects I consider is within the guidelines created by my own map.

If I could give an example, you're main issues tend to focus more on the 1/4 jumps and streams during the kiai. For the rest of the map, I've prepared the player for these choppy movements by sprinkling in these concepts at the start.
Ex. 00:01:877 (1,2,3) - 1/4 jump
00:02:876 (1,2,1) - spaced streams
00:06:873 (1,2,1,2,3) - Tight, but fast jump patterns
00:07:872 (1,2) - Overuse of doubles, to guarantee familiarity of the player with the map.


All these concepts come together at once during the kiai, giving the player more of a challenge. If I didn't map these concepts before the kiai, the player would become overwhelmed, and wouldn't create an engaging experience.
I feel like my execution of these gimmicks was okay. While they are difficult to most, my intention has never been to map something simple.

OD 8 feels more than enough done

Another
00:01:877 (1) - based on the sounds you're following at 00:02:876 (1,2) - and 00:03:875 (1,2) - etc shouldn't this be 2 circles I think it's okay, because while it's not 2 circles, it's still covering those 2 sounds, and since it's only the start, the player isn't going to be fixed on this rhythm immediately.

00:06:124 (3,4) - mute slider ends The soft-hit mutes them. Hollow Wings fixed this in her mod, so that's why the other half of the map uses green lines to mute them.

00:04:875 (6,7,1,2,1) - I really struggle to read this pattern I think it's okay, as the player can see the approach circle, so they can at least feel for the note.

00:05:374 (1) - soft whislte, normal sampleset done

00:04:875 (6,7,1,2,1) - why is this one so edgy whilst 00:12:868 (6,7,8,9,10) - isnt? For the diamond stream, you don't have to move along with it, you hold your cursor down in one place. You could say this serves as an antijump to keep the map engaging along with some regular streams.

00:21:611 (1,2) - You should really do something different here to show some contrast. Having the same exact pattern map 2 different things cames off as very bland I think I created enough variation for that section. It's the easier diff to the last, so I wouldn't do anything too extreme as I'd like the spread to be linear.
[]Sorry I dont think I'm interested in nominating the set as of now

w ~

1. You are violating the rule that:

   Ranking Criteria wrote:

   Both slider border and body colors must be manually set or not set. Setting only one may conflict with a user's custom skin choices.

1. 00:02:626 - Even though you announce slider velocity changes like these with the red color, having them at twice the speed plays quite forced especially with such low spacing right before it. This also makes the ones in the much more intense section later feel not different enough from these.
2. 00:06:873 (1,2,1,2) - This pattern seems very out of context to me due to the high spacings.
3. 00:08:122 (1,2,1) - I don't even get the concept behind this pattern. Why is it so cramped and why do all the tails suddenly overlap? It's very out of place and not very pleasant to look at if you ask me.
4. 00:10:870 (1,2,3,4) - Why are you suddenly changing the concept completely? And what are you emphasizing with 00:10:994 (2) - ? The drum on the blue tick is pretty weak but the white tick has the main melody. Same with 00:12:868 (1,2,3,4) - . Also the hitsounding is very weird due to the normal sampleset on blue.
5. 00:16:615 (1,2,3) - I get why you use 3/8 here but using 0.5x SV just makes it seem like all the other sliders in size which makes it pretty hard to read.

1. 00:32:102 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - Let's take this as an example. Why is suddenly the spacing between 00:32:601 (1,2) - and 00:32:851 (3,4) - so incredibly huge when it was small like 00:30:603 (1,2,3,4) - all the time. Also having so small 1/4 spacing there is pretty inconsistent too.
2. 00:33:601 (1,1,1,1) - This is an extreme case of difficulty spike. You haven't used anything similar before and just throw it at the player within the last ten seconds without any indication or introduction to the pattern at all. If you want to use 1/8 here, you'd better go for something way simpler to understand, you just don't have the chance to introduce it properly here. Same for 00:37:098 (1,1,1,1) -
3. 00:35:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3) - Similar situation with this, you never had such long streams before with consecutive high spacing like this. Also, if you really desire to keep it, please keep the streamjumps out of there or make them consistent.

1. AR9 is way too high for the way you have mapped this. Try AR8.
2. 00:08:622 (2,3,4,5,1) - I'm not sure if it's just me but this is an odd way to introduce largely spaced streams. Before at patterns like 00:05:874 (2,1) - you tap more like it's 1/2 and later at 00:17:864 (1,1) - you use regular spacing. For an introduction, I'd reduce it.
3. 00:19:613 (1,1,1,1) - Same issue as in the highest difficulty, this is not introduced well at all. The movement is way too complex for something you have not seen yet at all. Same goes for the other ones like that.
4. 00:31:603 (1,1,1,1,1) - Not a big fan of this NC spam here, it's pretty unnecessary.
5. 00:34:975 (8,1) - What is this sudden streamjump? You have not done this anywhere else and it plays like it was placed by accident.

1. Is there a specific reason for using OD6.8 instead of OD7 here?
2. 00:18:114 (1,2,3,4) - Not really something huge there but to me it seems like this belongs to the same sounds you followed with 00:18:613 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so it would make more sense to use smaller spacing here.
3. 00:23:609 (1,2,3,4,1) - This is very out of place. The whole map has a pretty clear straight-forward structure and then you suddenly do such a complex pattern? I'd just space out the stream regularely.

1. 00:08:123 (1) - Quite picky, but I think you should get rid of this slidershape as you only used curved and linear ones in this section and there's nothing special here.

1. 00:30:104 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,1) - has a similar issue as the Normal difficulty with it being just a continuous chain of 1/1 objects. I'd say it's even worse here because you just simply follow all the 1/1 ticks which makes it very boring. You even used 1/2 repeats before (e.g. 00:09:122 (2) - ) even though the section is less intense.

Mao wrote:

Hey there, you asked me to mod this in-game.

[General]

1. You are violating the rule that:

   Ranking Criteria wrote:

   Both slider border and body colors must be manually set or not set. Setting only one may conflict with a user's custom skin choices.

   Fixed.

[Doom]

1. 00:02:626 - Even though you announce slider velocity changes like these with the red color, having them at twice the speed plays quite forced especially with such low spacing right before it. This also makes the ones in the much more intense section later feel not different enough from these. They're at this level mainly for multiple reasons actually.
   I figured a direct contrast along with complimentary visuals fit, which is why I chose 2x.
2. 00:06:873 (1,2,1,2) - This pattern seems very out of context to me due to the high spacings. I spaced the sliders out more.
3. 00:08:122 (1,2,1) - I don't even get the concept behind this pattern. Why is it so cramped and why do all the tails suddenly overlap? It's very out of place and not very pleasant to look at if you ask me. I haven't given it a name, but it's purpose was to compliment the 3 sounds I mapped with a triangular shape. About having them overlap, I thought it would be interesting to 'connect' the pattern via overlaps.
4. 00:10:870 (1,2,3,4) - Why are you suddenly changing the concept completely? And what are you emphasizing with 00:10:994 (2) - ? The drum on the blue tick is pretty weak but the white tick has the main melody. Same with 00:12:868 (1,2,3,4) - . Also the hitsounding is very weird due to the normal sampleset on blue. Fixed.
5. 00:16:615 (1,2,3) - I get why you use 3/8 here but using 0.5x SV just makes it seem like all the other sliders in size which makes it pretty hard to read.
   It was done because I wanted to put emphasis on these notes in a unique way to compliment this part. They intentionally look like the other sliders as an aesthetic. I want them to compliment this part specially, but not look too obnoxious.

Now let's talk about the section starting at 00:30:104 - . It plays incredibly unnatural, is full of difficulty spikes and has some odd design choices.

1. 00:32:102 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - Let's take this as an example. Why is suddenly the spacing between 00:32:601 (1,2) - and 00:32:851 (3,4) - so incredibly huge when it was small like 00:30:603 (1,2,3,4) - all the time. Also having so small 1/4 spacing there is pretty inconsistent too. Fixed. One double barely goes offscreen, so that particular one is staying the same, but the rest are fixed.
2. 00:33:601 (1,1,1,1) - This is an extreme case of difficulty spike. You haven't used anything similar before and just throw it at the player within the last ten seconds without any indication or introduction to the pattern at all. If you want to use 1/8 here, you'd better go for something way simpler to understand, you just don't have the chance to introduce it properly here. Same for 00:37:098 (1,1,1,1) - Fixed the first point mentioned. Still not too sure about 00:37:098 (1,1,1,1) - as it serves as a finisher.
3. 00:35:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3) - Similar situation with this, you never had such long streams before with consecutive high spacing like this. Also, if you really desire to keep it, please keep the streamjumps out of there or make them consistent. I adjusted the stream to be more compact to compensate for the length. The stream jumps are now bumps instead of jumps xppp

So yeah, I have huge concerns playability and consistency wise. The difficulty needs much more work.

[Gero's Insane]

1. AR9 is way too high for the way you have mapped this. Try AR8.
2. 00:08:622 (2,3,4,5,1) - I'm not sure if it's just me but this is an odd way to introduce largely spaced streams. Before at patterns like 00:05:874 (2,1) - you tap more like it's 1/2 and later at 00:17:864 (1,1) - you use regular spacing. For an introduction, I'd reduce it.
3. 00:19:613 (1,1,1,1) - Same issue as in the highest difficulty, this is not introduced well at all. The movement is way too complex for something you have not seen yet at all. Same goes for the other ones like that.
4. 00:31:603 (1,1,1,1,1) - Not a big fan of this NC spam here, it's pretty unnecessary.
5. 00:34:975 (8,1) - What is this sudden streamjump? You have not done this anywhere else and it plays like it was placed by accident.

[Gerblun's Light Insane]

1. Is there a specific reason for using OD6.8 instead of OD7 here? These are the stats one of the old gders had, I didn't bother changing it lol. It would be better off as 6 though.
2. 00:18:114 (1,2,3,4) - Not really something huge there but to me it seems like this belongs to the same sounds you followed with 00:18:613 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so it would make more sense to use smaller spacing here.
3. 00:23:609 (1,2,3,4,1) - This is very out of place. The whole map has a pretty clear straight-forward structure and then you suddenly do such a complex pattern? I'd just space out the stream regularely.

The difficulty itself is fine but it could take some general polish. Also about 00:30:104 - I don't really see a reasoning for the different stream spacings as you use them interchangibly, so I assume they are just there for the sake of it. Fixed except for the one at 00:35:099 (1,2,3,4) - as I can't fit the kick sliders with the proper length.

[Irre's Hard]

Best difficulty in this set, good job! My only nitpick would be not to start the map off with a triple because it might be hard to hit correctly.

[Normal]

1. 00:08:123 (1) - Quite picky, but I think you should get rid of this slidershape as you only used curved and linear ones in this section and there's nothing special here. Fixed

The biggest issue I have with this difficulty is the section starting at 00:30:104 - . From 00:31:103 - on it's just a chain of consecutive objects each 1/2 apart which is not advised to do. Also I'd recommend you to use bigger spacing here because barely touching objects look pretty weird because it feels like they should be spaced out. Fixed

[Easy]

1. 00:30:104 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,1) - has a similar issue as the Normal difficulty with it being just a continuous chain of 1/1 objects. I'd say it's even worse here because you just simply follow all the 1/1 ticks which makes it very boring. You even used 1/2 repeats before (e.g. 00:09:122 (2) - ) even though the section is less intense. Removed the easy as the normal was already below 2*

________________________

So as a conclusion, I want you to find more mods and rework the highest diff alot. Also the lower difficulties feel like they were mapped really fast and could improve greatly by adding more variety to make them stand out more.

Good luck o/

_Meep_ wrote:

00:03:126 (1) - why nc lo, 00:02:127 (3) - this wasnt nced
00:06:124 (1) - same as above
00:07:123 (1) - same as above
u get the gist, now fix the others.
00:08:497 - add a note maybe
00:08:122 (1,2,1) - da hell are these aesthetics boi
00:05:374 (3,1) - 00:13:367 (1,2) - why are the NCs different?
just saying, this diff is so edgy my friends are dying of edge when testplaying
00:13:992 (2,1) - and 00:14:991 (2,1) - can u keep the distances between the sliders consistent at least?
00:28:230 (1) - Spinner feels very unnatural here because the previous few parts were mapepd out, yet this one is replaced by a spinner, i understand you're trying to point out that another part is coming, but i rather you use a more notable pattern using the gimmick presented in 00:20:112 - and 00:24:109 - in contrast to a spinner that feels out of place.
00:36:099 (1) - what is this random NC? I don't see a point of it being here. If it is for the drums, then why is 00:36:723 (1) - nc'd? doesn't make sense honestly
this diff is really messy in the way it handles gimmicks, try to be more consistent if you want to do something and dont make any rash changes to the rhythm or flow if its too unexpected

will sotp modding
m4m link posted in q
thanx

Alphabet wrote:

Hey, late mod I'm sorry ;;

[Doom]

1. 00:08:621 (1) - Maybe a soft hitwhistle here? Not sure what you're emphasizing with the whitstle at 00:08:122 (1) - if you're not priotizing the foreground instrument changing in pitch.
2. 00:09:371 (1,2) - Not a big fan of how this plays. The flow from 00:09:121 (1) - makes it awkward and unexpected since the linear flow isn't used any where else. It's also jaunting considering the player will get used to the sharper flow used before hand.
   I.think.it's.okay.because.the.shortened.slider.before.the.red.notes.serves.as.an.antijump.This.pattern.would.be.a.lot.harder.if.the.slider.had.a.matching.length.because.there.were.no.breaks.
3. 00:25:108 (1,2,3,4) - You could increase spacing / rotation here to represent the intensity change like 00:21:111 (1,2,3,4) -
4. 00:33:601 (1,2,3,4) - This is a pretty mean pattern to represent with sliders when it's not expected, I slipped up here when playing.
5. 00:35:474 (3,1) - Spacing could be increased since this is a more intense rhythm than 00:34:599 (1,2,3,4) - etc. 00:34:100 - here.is.where.the.beginning.of.the.kiai.loops.which.is.why.i.mapped.it.as.a.stream.instead.of.double-jumps
6. 00:37:098 (1,2,1,2) - I'm not even sure if you're able to SS this Scaled.it.down.a.bit.but.kept.the.pattern.as.it.serves.as.an."epic.finisher"
   

[Normal]

1. 00:05:125 (2) - Missing normal sampleset hitwhistle I.changed.the.hitsounds.a.bit.here.because.the.hitsounds.for.doom.don't.fit.together.with.normal.exactly
2. 00:29:104 (3,4) - Hitsound volume here is really quiet for some reason
3. 00:30:104 (1,2,1) - Not sure if it's just me or I didn't know this was 1/1 the first few times I played this. I.thought.the.amount.of.sliders.would.be.too.boring.so.I.went.for.a.contrast.from.the.start

gl

yShadowXOP_ wrote:

Ohaii :3

[box=M4M ><]

Doom:

1. 00:02:626 (1,1,2) - i found it a bit uncomfortable to go from the slider (1) to the circle (1) I think it's fair as the speedup in the slider and the counter-clockwise circular motion encourages the speed and angle required to play it.
2. 00:16:115 (1,2,1,2) - could it be sliders maybe? combines better with music than circles
   I feel Having regular sliders before the .5x sliders would influence how the player reads the pattern in a negative way, which is not my intent.
3. 00:28:355 (2) - additions soft? It has sampleset soft which is the same thing xpp
4. 00:37:347 (1,2) - in my opinion the flow looks better so https://puu.sh/yJQuD/d1243ea9bd.png No, because you flip the direction of the circular motion on an unexpected beat.
   I tend to bookmark where I flip directions, and flipping it here would be surprising. While it would fit because it's the 'epic finisher' for the purpose of making it play better the switch wouldn't improve it.

mindmaster107 wrote:

Sorry im dumb and lost track of u.

[Doom]
00:24:109 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This pattern I think is not enough to show off the build up. Maybe try a linear arrangement, or scale from very small to very large instead of large to slightly larger. I feel the spacing and repetition gives off the build-up vibe as is. Increasing the spacing just for the sake of increasing spacing would tilt the star rating xp


00:29:604 (1) - This doesn't feel like enough. I dunno how to fix it, but maybe spacing it more, or using a more crazy silder shape could work rrtyui style? Not sure what you mean by tyui style xp. I think the pattern is okay though as the increase in sv gives off the rising tension alone.

00:07:372 (4,1) - You never really spaced the fast sliders, so spacing them here feels out of place. 00:02:127 (3,1) - 00:03:126 (3,1) - 00:04:125 (3,1) - 00:06:124 (3,1) - I spaced them all out what do you mean xp
00:11:119 (3,1) - You never really had really small spacing on this pattern, so it feels too different. It's slightly smaller for visuals, but it still plays similarily in the sense that it's circular.
Slight offsets in spacing typically look okay as long as they're similar to what has been established in previous repeated sections.
Im not saying use the same pattern exactly, but not using the same spacing feels way too much difference between them.

00:31:602 (1,2,3,4) - 3 should still be spaced a bit, considering the spacing for 00:30:603 (1,2,3,4) is so bloody massive. Not really, because if you listen to the consistent 1/4 you'll notice how the places where it 'shifts are different.
That's why I alternated between 1/4 jumps and streams because I wanted to add variety while keeping a consistent rhythm.

00:33:975 (4,1) - I seriously thing you should space this. Don't know why I should. It shares the same 1/4 spacing as 1-4 and has an NC to set it apart from that while stil remaining readable.

00:36:099 (1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3) - I am seriously confused why you would use a continuous accelerating stream, when you were perfectly happy with using normal spacing everywhere else. I mean, this part isn't really like any other. The contrast with the stream leading into the finish fits this part well because it's the most intense.

00:37:098 (1,2,1,2,1) - This is too difficult to read. The 1/4 sliders could have been readable if you put them in this pattern ( 00:33:601 (1,2,3,4) - ) as you have done them before, but the unique pattern and the stream overlapping everything killed my reading. With the predictable circular motion and limited color choices it should be clear how this pattern is played. I still think it's okay.

00:37:347 (1,2) - The song begins to calm down on these two notes, which confuses me on why they are higher SV. It sounds like the opposite to me. Having it increase in intensity makes sense as it serves as a finisher.

Bubblun wrote:

2 bn placeholds

what is this

squirrelpascals wrote:

Bubblun wrote:

2 bn placeholds

what is this

I feel really bad for you so I'm here to save the day

Doom

00:29:104 - silencing a hitcircle / sliderhead is unrankable fixed

• 00:10:870 (1,2,3) - 00:11:869 (1,2,3) - These 2 are a bit harder to play because of the increased spacing + how the doubles flow away from the jumps. Idk if this is intentional because some people like to make the map more difficult as it progresses. I would suggest at least using ctrl+g on the doubles That's actually something I didn't consider while mapping these. I simply saw the center point the circles created and that's what I built the patterns around, this helps with playability.
Applied for the first point, but kept the second point because having it reversed here actually makes it more circular and flowwy to play.

• 00:17:114 - maybe higher sv on this one to continue your concept, + exaggeration I don't think the concept fits here as that fast slider would fuck up the feel as the intensity dies down.

• 00:30:853 (3,4,1) - 00:32:976 (4,1) - These ones look way overspaced, and these one 00:31:977 (4,1) - 00:33:975 (4,1) 00:35:973 (4,1) - look way underspaced because I know you really want to exaggerate that note. Can you find some sort of happy medium here or explain your concept? because i see a pattern ov overspaced, then underspaced, then over, under, etc You are correct, and there is a pattern. I wanted to make each stream unique to play while still remaining consistent and accurate to the music.
For example, try listening to 00:30:603 (1,2,3,4) - and comparing to 00:31:602 (1,2,3,4) - they both have that shift on the 3rd note, but the difference is the high pitched noise dies down with each note, unlike the first point where the noise peaks at the 1 and 3 and lowers at 2 and 4.

dGero

00:29:104 - silencing a hitcircle / sliderhead is unrankable I'm just gonna fix this one for gero xp

00:21:861 (2,1) - 00:25:858 (2,1) - These seem like strong notes, they feel underspaced when you look at the jumps before the timestamps + the incresing strength of the drums here

00:29:105 (1) - End this buzz slider on the blue tick before this to avoid unnecessary slider breaks

• 00:32:602 (1,2,1) - Flow here is kind of strange because its a linear jump after a bunch of angular jumps

• 00:34:975 (8,1) - This is the only time in the map you use a stream jump like this. Consistency error?

why tickrate 2 here? better off 1 imo, nothing technical about this map that calls for more intricate slider-following skills

collab light insane?

00:29:104 - silencing a hitcircle / sliderhead is unrankable

• 00:05:874 (6,7,1) - im sorry for my overly-pickiness, but move this down a little so the stack is an even distance from 00:05:374 (4,5) -

• 00:09:870 (1,2,1) - 2 nc's here is a bit unnecessary, remove one of them

• 00:12:119 (1,2,3,4) - pretty large spacing all the sudden for this difficulty

• 00:18:114 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I can imagine this stream section being difficult for a player of this level, i highly suggest using a repeat slider somewhere here, or some sort of break. Also this note 00:24:109 (1) - is pretty difficult to read for someone that level too

irre

• 00:21:611 (1,1) - looks like a difficult combination of flow and spacing for a hard diff, same with 00:25:608 (1,1) - for spacing

nromal

• 00:29:104 - dropping the hitvolume to 3 here might be confusing for a normal. i only say this because ive seen beginners "mess up" from it xp Bumped up volume a bit.

• ]00:29:104 - silencing a hitcircle / sliderhead is unrankableThis is the only time you use this 2 circle rhythm and it's the least dense pattern too. Can you change this into something like 00:33:102 (1,2) - Fixed

call me back

timemon wrote:

[Irre's Hard]
00:02:877 (5,6) - both slider ends should be clickable i believe that this kind of rhthm is more appropriate for a hard diff. feels fitting to the song too :p
00:10:870 (5,6) - ^ same

00:27:606 (2,3,4,5,6) - this shape might confuse newbie players as the diff is only 2.7* but that pattern is quite complex opened it a bit more
00:34:600 (1,2,1,2) - both get the same spacing emphasis when 00:35:101 (1) - is quite the stronger sound i do see your concern, but the thing really is im not thinking in one part here, i'm taking the whole section into consideration, and this is why my pattern makes more sense to have it consistently like this.

Hobbes2 wrote:

i had a full brain fart when checking tags because I remember canadianbaka being in the set a few months ago so I didn't think of it when I saw it in the tags. Sorry about that...

Bubblun ask a QAT if you can fix it with their DQ. Even if canadianbaka is in the descrition he needs to be in the actual ranked set to make it to the tags