This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Friday, February 13, 2009 at 7:32:27 PM

Artist: Onoken
Title: Quinine
Source: -A2D Side-
BPM: 180
Filesize: 3197kb
Play Time: 01:44
Difficulties Available:

1. Easy (0.58 stars, 59 notes)
2. Hard (3.17 stars, 163 notes)
3. Insane (3.85 stars, 171 notes)
4. Normal (1.46 stars, 112 notes)

Download: Onoken - Quinine
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Right. Since I'm still tweaking my first song, I thought I'd give the second one an upload so I could get opinions on that. Because its timing is a bit irregular, let me know if there are any major errors in normal or hard. I think I've gotten easy down pretty well, but I'm most concerned about hard's timing. Any general advice would be appreciated as well. I'll probably put it into the submission section once I get an impossible difficulty done.

Edit 1: I redid the timing based on some advice. It should be a lot better now.
Edit 2: I fixed one of the oddly placed beats on hard.
Edit 3: Added sounds.
Edit 4: Blah. I mixed up the whistles and finished. It should be fixed now.
Edit 5: Added the insane difficulty. Once I finish doing the tweaks, I'll probably submit this piece. I'd still appreciate any comments, though.
Edit 6: Some tweaking and submitting. Any advice would still be helpful.
Edit 7: More tweaking to the insane difficulty. I'm considering adjusting the speed of the sliders, since a couple of them are close to ridiculous by now.
Edit 8: Slowed down a couple of specific sliders in Impossible, and did a small bit of rearranging for Hard.
Edit 9: Fixed a couple of sliders in Impossible.
Edit 10: Apparently, I made a mistake in the slider edit. Fixed now.
Edit 11: Lots of slider fixes on all difficulties, including a general slider slowdown for all of them besides Insane.
Edit 12: I made tweaked Hard slightly, and made it a bit easier.
Edit 13: Made a slight adjustment to the location of the first comboes in Insane.
Edit 14: Increased the overall size for most maps.
Edit 15: Fixed the sliders in Normal, as mtmcl pointed out.
Edit 16: Added an image and custom colors, and did a bit of combo breaking/joining into parts.
Edit 17: Slight combo addition/sound edit to Insane.
Edit 18: Slight adjustment to Hard.
Edit 19: Large spacing overhaul for all difficulties, slight sound adjustments, and the background insert. (Forgot to do a full submit.)
Edit 20: More sound tweaks and a couple of combo additions to Insane.
Edit 21: Did a slider tweak for Hard.
Edit 22: Smoothened out the sliders and fixed an odd combo end in Normal.
Edit 23: Changed the distance of the early comboes in Easy so they aren't stacked.
Edit 24: Fixed an off-beat in Easy.
Edit 25: General overhaul according to Mogsworth's suggestions.
Edit 26: Changed the location of a combo on Normal.
Edit 27: Slight slider smoothing and combo adjustment in Impossible.
Edit 28: Fixed the slider timing in the middle of Hard.
Edit 29: Changed the sliders in the early part of Normal to be more centralized.
Edit 30: Made a combo in Normal more symmetrical.
Edit 31: Changed the slightly odd spacing in Hard.
Edit 32: Changed the location of the last slider.
Edit 33: Edit to the locations of a few early combos in Normal.
Edit 34: Sound overhaul/beat tweaks by Mogworth's suggestions.

You could use some more effects like whistles
It's so quite now :p

EASY
00:17:22 (8,1) - Spacing is not constant.

NORMAL
00:16:47 (14,15) - Spacing (?)
01:15:21 (3,4) - Beatspacing, same in the rest of the blue combo

Didn't had time for Hard

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This is on the right track. I'll give you a few comments soon. Here's a star though for good timing and intuitive enough spacing.

And here is my number one complaint.

Normal:
00:34:54: A slider ends here and another slider starts here. That's unacceptable. This occurs again shortly after at...
00:39:87: slider ends same time as hit circle.

Plz fix.

I'm not too concerned about your timing, but you might want a nazi mod to make sure your offset isn't a fraction of a splinter of an ms off.

Spacing is a little wonky but intuitive enough that I didn't really miss anything due to faulty spacing.

(Might I also suggest custom colors/backgrounds?)

Thanks for the look-over. I've fixed the weird sliders, so Normal should be okay now.

This is purely aesthetic, but I suggest custom colors/backgrounds as well. It's not required for ranking, but it would certainly give the map a better feel.

I inserted an image that I found, and did a bit of color tweaking. Is there anything else that anybody can see that can be done to the map?

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Whoops. I forgot that you have to use full submit for images, so the background's in there properly now. I've done most of the mentioned tweaking, including a large number of spacing tweaks. It's pretty much a complete spacing overhaul. Thanks for all of the pointers.

Can't bubble while there's still mistakes. It's just numbering for the most part.

IN GENERAL:
-No matter what the difficulty, I feel like the Normal hitsound audio should start at 00:18:543, with the previous offset being Soft, of course..

Insane:
-00:30:543 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:35:876 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:50:543 (1) - Shorten this by one tick in 1/4.
-01:05:043 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-01:08:543 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-01:13:543 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-01:29:543 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-01:34:846 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.

Hard:
-00:29:877 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:30:543 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:31:210 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:35:210 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:35:877 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:36:543 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-00:41:877 (7, 1) - I feel like these are spaced too close.
-00:44:543 (7, 1) - ^
-00:47:210 (7, 1) - ^
-00:50:460 (1) - Nudge this forward in the 1/4 divisor, shorten it by one tick in the 1/4 divisor, and space it a bit further away from 7.
-01:10:543 (2) - I feel like this is spaced too close to 1. Even when considering that the last one was a prolonged stack, at least it was in the same location. This one just looks weird. Also, could you somehow extend this so that it ends in the same location as the start of the stack at 01:13:877, and is extended so it ends on 01:13:710 and not on 01:13:210?
-01:22:543 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) - Highlight these and space them further away from the end of the last combo and further away from the start of the next. It looks awkward to me.
-01:29:543 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.
-01:34:877 (1) - Remove the new combo mark.

Normal:
-This is when I was getting lazy and decided to renumber the map and upload the .osu. Fixes to the map will then be listed according to the new numbering.
Download: Onoken - Quinine (Ruduen) [Normal].osu
-00:52:877 - I feel like there should be a beat here, stacked on where 1 ends.
-00:53:252 (2) - Nudge it back.
-01:17:210 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) - Respace this, there's too much distance between these.

Easy:
-00:13:210 (5) - Make this the start of a new combo.
-01:09:210 (5) - Make this the start of a new combo.
-01:14:543 (9) - Make this the start of a new combo.
-01:25:210 (5) - Make this the start of a new combo.
-01:30:543 (6) - Make this the start of a new combo.

Some of the beats in all the difficulties feel kinda off a little bit. I dunno. I really don't feel like digging to pull up specific stuff right now.

And a bit of the spacing seems a bit, uh, I'unno. But particularily in Hard and Insane. Not that I have any huge problem with most of it. It's pretty easy to get it by listening to the music.

Overall, this is quite nice. I'll look again when I'm feeling more up to it, and actually warmed up.

Thanks for the comments. For some reason, the normal file that you uploaded didn't want to be edited. It would load, but I couldn't save it afterwards for some reason, so I just went through and tried to do my best to edit the map accordingly. I could've missed something, though. I also edited the slider at 01:10ish so it's at the end of another combo instead. I think I've done everything mentioned, though.

Not too much that's structurally wrong, just...ugh...the hitsounds.

TIMING SECTION ADDITIONS:
-00:50:542 - New timing section; inherit timing; soft audio
-00:53:290 - New timing section; inherit timing, normal audio
-01:46:542 - New timing section; inherit timing; soft audio

Easy:
-00:18:54 (1) - Replace Whistle with a Finish.
-00:23:87 (3) - Remove the Whistle, keep the Finish.
-00:29:21 (1) - On the second-to-last endpoint, add a Whistle. On the last endpoint, remove the Finish and put on a Whistle.
-00:34:54 (1) - ^
-00:50:54 (1) - Line up the endpoints of the sliders and make each half of the slider even by altering the curve.
-00:50:54 (1) - First two points: add a Whistle hitsound. Remove the hitsound from the slider track itself.
-00:53:29 (1) - On this endpoint, put a Finish.
-01:25:21 (1) - On the second-to-last endpoint, add a Whistle. On the last endpoint, remove the Finish and put on a Whistle.
-01:30:54 (1) - ^, except on the third-to-last and second-to-last endpoints.
-01:44:87 (1) - Add a Whistle hitsound.

Normal:
-00:11:21 (6,7,8) - Add Whistle hitsounds.
-00:13:21 (9) - New Combo mark goes here.
-00:16:54 (14,15,16) - Add Whistle hitsounds.
-00:23:87 (6) - Add a Whistle hitsound and a New Combo mark.
-00:23:87 (6,7,8) - Find a good way to lower this, since 7 and 8 are off the grid.
-00:31:54 (2) - ^
-00:31:87 (3) - At the very end of the slider, add a Whistle.
-00:34:20 (4) - Add a Clap hitsound.
-00:34:54 (5) - New Combo mark goes here.
-00:36:87 (6) - Add a Whistle hitsound.
-00:37:21 (7) - At the very end of the slider, add a Whistle.
-00:39:54 (8) - Add a Clap hitsound.
-00:50:54 (1) - First two points: add a Whistle hitsound. Do not let the sound carry over onto the slider track.
-00:53:20 (3) - Remove the Whistle hitsound.
-01:05:21 (2) - ^; add in a Finish.
-01:08:54 (3) - Add a Finish.
-01:09:21 (4) - Add a New Combo mark.
-01:10:54 (5) - Remove the Whistle hitsound, add in a Finish.
-01:13:54 (6) - Add a Finish.
-01:13:87 (7,8,9,10) - Put Finishes and Whistles on these.
-01:17:21 (7) - New Combo mark goes here.
-01:22:54 (7) - ^
-01:24:54 (12) - Add a Whistle.
-01:25:21 (1) - Add a Finish.
-01:30:54 (3) - ^
-01:35:21 (4) - Add a Whistle.
-01:35:87 (5) - Remove the Whistle.
-01:37:21 (1) - Add a Finish.
-01:41:21 (1) - Remove the Whistle.
-01:42:54 (1) - Add a Finish.
-01:46:54 (1) - Remove the Finish.

Hard:
-Make the timing section at the beginning have soft audio.
-00:04:54 (4) - Add a Whistle.
-00:07:21 (8) - ^
-00:10:21 (8) - ^
-00:12:87 (8) - ^
-00:15:54 (8) - ^
-00:17:54 (6,7,8) - Add Whistles to all of these.
-00:18:543 - This is where you start the normal audio.
-00:18:54 (1) - Remove the Whistle.
-00:20:54 (4) - Add a Whistle and a Finish.
-00:21:21 (5,6) - Add a Finish to each one.
-00:23:87 (1) - Remove the Whistle.
-00:25:87 (4) - Add a Whistle and a Finish.
-00:26:54 (5,6) - Add a Finish to each one.
-00:31:87 (1) - Add a Whistle at the very end of this slider.
-00:37:21 (1) - ^
-00:50:54 (1) - Remove the Whistle sound from the slider track and from the endpoint; replace the endpoint with a Finish.
-01:05:21 (2) - Place a Finish on this.
-01:08:50 (3) - Move onto the nearest white tick.
-01:08:50 (3,4) - Add Whistle hitsounds to these.
-01:09:21 (5) - New Combo mark goes here.
-01:10:54 (9,10) - Add Whistle hitsounds to these.
-01:11:21 (1) - Remove the New Combo mark.
-01:25:21 (1) - Add a Finish.
-01:30:54 (1) - ^
-01:34:87 (2,3,4) - Add Whistle hitsounds to these.
-01:37:21 (1) - Add a Finish.
-01:42:54 (1) - ^
-01:46:54 (6) - Remove the Finish.

Insane:
-Holy mother of tiny spacing. The beginning has some strange looking spacing. Please respace this (from 00:02:543 - 00:07:710). Unless someone else feels like it's okay?
-00:03:04 (4) - Add in a Whistle.
-00:04:71 (10,11,12) - Add in Whistles.
-00:05:71 (4) - Whistle goes here.
-00:07:37 (10,11,12) - Whistles go here, too.
-00:18:543 - Is the BPM change here just for slider velocity? Because I feel like you could get away with using sliders of the previous velocity.
-00:19:87 (3) - At the end of the slider, place a Clap.
-00:21:20 (4) - Place on the endpoint of 3.
-00:25:04 (2) - Remove the Whistle.
-00:25:20 (3) - Clap on the very end of the slider.
-00:26:54 (4) - Place on the endpoint of 3.
-00:28:54 (5) - Place a Finish on this.
-00:28:71 (6,7,8) - Place both Finishes and Whistles on these.
-00:31:87 (1) - Very end of the slider: Whistle
-00:37:21 (1) - ^
-00:50:54 (1) - Remove the Whistle sound from the slider track and from the endpoint; replace the endpoint with a Finish.
-01:05:04 (2,3) - Add Whistles to these.
-01:08:54 (1) - Remove the New Combo mark.
-01:09:21 (4) - Add a New Combo mark.
-01:10:37 (5,6,7) - Whistles go here.
-01:13:87 (1) - Remove the New Combo mark.
-01:13:87 (1,2,3,4) - Add Finishes to these.
-01:25:21 (1) - Finish goes here.
-01:30:54 (1) - ^
-01:37:21 (1) - ^
-01:42:54 (1) - ^
-01:46:54 (6) - Remove the Finish.

Download: May'n - Scarlet Ballet (TV Size) (happy30) [eveless's Hard].osu

I really need to work on getting sounds right the first time, huh. Still, all updated and such now.

-00:53:293 - This timing section should be 1/4 a beat backwards, sorry.

Insane:
-00:21:20 (4) - Stack directly on the end.
-00:26:54 (4) - ^

Fix these and I'll bubble.

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Looks like I owed you a bubble.

Hooray, bubble, and the fact that I get to upload other stuff soon!

*Sits and waits*

Congrats, you've free'd up an upload slot. *graves*

HAHA JUST KIDDING *ranks*

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