Corim wrote:
actually it's 3 years of DT farm
no 5 minutes of hr farm 1v1 please i am 90 second acc meister
ye trueMuuki wrote:
there really arent enough talented people that play osu for it to be an issue towards reaching top100 with just hard work
Yeah you are right, everybody that is not talented should quitFloob wrote:
rip me im not talented at anything at all might as well just quit
Rip, osu will be left with approx 100 players and peppy will shut down so amazing game. All thanks to OP being a mindless brick.Hiro-Senpai wrote:
Yeah you are right, everybody that is not talented should quitFloob wrote:
rip me im not talented at anything at all might as well just quit
Heck yeah ill quit today bcuz playing this game without talent makes no sense
Rip all the untalented players
Did this thread offend you because you find yourself in the untalented-bracket?LMAO, pls.
That's fine, Taiga. You can play the game for other reasons than making it to the top. Just play for your own personal improvement, play for the music or play for fun. Wanting to quit is a pretty weird reaction to my post anyway. It's not like I was sharing new insights, it's just common sense for the most part.
well, I don't want to sugarcoat the truth, so I'm going to tell you that you should give up on your dream of making the top. I think upstanding people would appreciate honesty as it prevents them from sinking their time into something without chances of success.You are a fuckin idiot.
and as I said before, talent is relative. You are probably more talented than the majority of people who got stuck in the 1kpp range.It may be but as many... MANY respected people all over the world pointed out - you can work out and build up your talent but it require excessive amount of self-discipline, determination and sacrifice. You don't know this...
What do you think? How would someone who is 165cm tall and worked his ass off every day feel when michael jordan came to him and told him that he didn't make it to the NBA because he didn't try hard enough?As someone who is 160cm tall, hearing from MJ words "you didn't made it to NBA because you didn't worked enough" even knowing i was training 12 hours per day, i could increase this to 16 hours per day or more, it could be fuckin motivation to show that I CAN DO THIS BECAUSE I LOVE THIS.
I hate to break it to you but you will never play in the NBA with 160cm, no matter how hard you work.[Taiga] wrote:
What do you think? How would someone who is 165cm tall and worked his ass off every day feel when michael jordan came to him and told him that he didn't make it to the NBA because he didn't try hard enough?As someone who is 160cm tall, hearing from MJ words "you didn't made it to NBA because you didn't worked enough" even knowing i was training 12 hours per day, i could increase this to 16 hours per day or more, it could be fuckin motivation to show that I CAN DO THIS BECAUSE I LOVE THIS.
I strugled in osu at rank ~160-150k with 800pp till r0ck one time told me stright - you don't improve because you don't play more and work. Took me few months to rocketjump my rank but he motivated me to do this, to show that i can actually improve. I done it for myself, ONLY for myself and i know my hard work paid off properly.
please stop saying that I made this thread to console myself. I am not frustrated, I am quite happy with where I am right now.AsyouSaidsir wrote:
Here's my opinion on the matter:
Osu! (standard) is a game where you click circles on a computer screen. You have to press a button at the right time, and move the cursor to the right place.
I believe anyone can do that, saying that someone would never become good at the game because they lack talent is wrong. They can become good, and they can even be a top player if they want, the only thing I feel talent affects is how fast some people are improving, but even that barely matters.
Why?
You have to keep in mind a player's experience with rhythm games (or games in general) before they started playing Osu!, it'll affect how fast they'd improve. Show your grandma (or anyone who didn't grow up playing video games) Osu! and let them play a <1* song and see if she can even pass it, she obviously won't, does that mean your grandma lacks talent? No. You just grew up playing games all your life, yet she didn't. It's called experience.
Honestly, this whole "talent" feels like a bad excuse for you to feel better about yourself being stuck in the 5k range. It's like saying some people can never be a pro at a game like Tetris because they lack the talent for it. Not trying to sound rude or anything.
Okay, I apologize for saying that. I still stand by what I said earlier, though.Railey2 wrote:
please stop saying that I made this thread to console myself. I am not frustrated, I am quite happy with where I am right now.
I made this thread because it was common sense to me, but I didn't see it covered on the forums yet.
That's an effect of growing up and being old, I don't think players like Cookiezi would be able to play Osu! at age 70 either, I said Grandma because that's the most relatable person I could think of. People with health problems won't be able to play Osu! very well (E.g. blind people), that also applies to other games P:Railey2 wrote:
To address your other points, my grandma is quite untalented because her reaction time is reduced by a good 200ms. I wouldn't want to tell her that she can make it to the top with hard work (because she can't, and I'd be lying to her). This is the point of the thread. Don't lie to others, don't lie to yourself. There are many people who don't have the stuff to make it, be it for a lower reaction time, worse spacial memory, or whatever it is that cause people to not improve at osu fast enough to keep up with the insane rate at which the top100 run away from everyone else. And yes I think that this applies most games (even tetris), although that might be a bad example. Tetris doesn't seem to be in the end times like osu is.
Thanks for your honest and neutral reply.
I hate to break it to you but you will never play in the NBA with 160cm, no matter how hard you work.One more time i will prove how wrong you are:
It doesn't work that way. Michael Jordan lied to you. Sure you can get better, but you can't get NBA-good.
Feel you. Motivation helps and reality can hurt sometimes, but it isn't too fair to force what you think is the reality onto someone. My current opinion on this whole post is mixed, I don't know what is an ideal opinion to give, but I'll share what comes to mind.[Taiga] wrote:
I strugled in osu at rank ~160-150k with 800pp till r0ck one time told me stright - you don't improve because you don't play more and work. Took me few months to rocketjump my rank but he motivated me to do this, to show that i can actually improve. I done it for myself, ONLY for myself and i know my hard work paid off properly.
[Taiga] wrote:
I hate to break it to you but you will never play in the NBA with 160cm, no matter how hard you work.One more time i will prove how wrong you are:
It doesn't work that way. Michael Jordan lied to you. Sure you can get better, but you can't get NBA-good.
Muggsy Bogues - Toronto Raptor player, 158cm tall.
kthxbai, make some research before you post another bullshit
MJ didn't lied to me. If there is one person who made it - there is open door to me another one, and another one, and many many more can make it.
From the looks of it, it seems like this post is slowly devolving into a heated battlezone of arguments and points regarding both hard work and talent.Becuase there is a difference between making a discussion about "Does talent matter to get into top100?" etc. and making a salt ocean of tears thread by random failure who stands "You will never make to the top without talent".
I did a little search before on players who were around the 160cm height range and Muggsy Bogues showed up. Does this counters OP's recent points?By logic if there is an exception in a "rule", it make it not true anymore.
I hate to break it to you but you will never play in the NBA with 160cmWhich is a lie.
that depends. Do you think he could have made it in 2016?Boomdopew wrote:
I did a little search before on players who were around the 160cm height range and Muggsy Bogues showed up. Does this counters OP's recent points?
The only salty person here is you, Taiga. You told me to kill myself twice, said that you'd get me banned, and insult me at every opportunity you get. Exactly how lacking in awareness are you?[Taiga] wrote:
From the looks of it, it seems like this post is slowly devolving into a heated battlezone of arguments and points regarding both hard work and talent.Becuase there is a difference between making a discussion about "Does talent matter to get into top100?" etc. and making a salt ocean of tears thread by random failure who stands "You will never make to the top without talent".
First is a discussion.
Second is a crying of a retarded lazy kid who don't know what means hard work and prefer to demotivate others from it.
no hard feelings. Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it!AsyouSaidsir wrote:
Okay, I apologize for saying that. I still stand by what I said earlier, though.Railey2 wrote:
please stop saying that I made this thread to console myself. I am not frustrated, I am quite happy with where I am right now.
I made this thread because it was common sense to me, but I didn't see it covered on the forums yet.
Taiga you are living in a fantasy world where everyone can achieve anything. Wake up, you're too old for this. You can't play in the NBA.[Taiga] wrote:
I hate to break it to you but you will never play in the NBA with 160cmWhich is a lie.
Taiga you are living in a fantasy world where everyone can achieve anything. Wake up, you're too old for this. You can't play in the NBA.And you need to grow up and learn that by hard work you achieve a lot, not just by "talent".
He's just like this.Railey2 wrote:
The only salty person here is you, Taiga. You told me to kill myself twice, said that you'd get me banned, and insult me at every opportunity you get. Exactly how lacking in awareness are you?
I don't see myself as a failure. I think I am doing really well at this game, and I'm happy with where I am. I am also happy pushing for more and improving myself. I don't think that I failed by any means.[Taiga] wrote:
Taiga you are living in a fantasy world where everyone can achieve anything. Wake up, you're too old for this. You can't play in the NBA.And you need to grow up and learn that by hard work you achieve a lot, not just by "talent".
Talent is irrevelant if it comes to reaching edge of certain activity, talented person will just do this faster. Hardworker will also do this if he sacrifice himself to this.
ALREADY FUCKIN LEARN THIS KID and stoip throwing bunch of stinky shit into playerbase because you are butthurt over your own failure.
I agree. Talent without work won't get anyone to the top. But similarly, work, mindset and lifestyle also pnly carry you so far. Making that very clear, is one point of this thread.KukiMonster wrote:
Talent only carries you so far tho. Most of it is practise, mindset and lifestyle.
It's a poor definition for the reasons already mentioned in my previous posts.Railey2 wrote:
I gave a definition of talent at the beginning of my post.
Because you probably can't see your own talent and other people may not be able to see it based on your scores. If someone was untalented in too many areas of osu! and doesn't have the intelligence or proper mindset to get better, then that is something they have to discover, not be told. Being good at osu! is not just one talent, there are several different talents you can have that can all relate to being good at osu!. Some talents, such as natural finger speed, may be more visible than others. Some talents wouldn't be as obvious, such as someone who has high mental stamina and can play for hours upon hours without losing focus. It's a great talent to have, but it wouldn't be very visible to yourself or others unless maybe they observed you. Another talent you might have is good spacial awareness of the screen, but you wouldn't realize that unless you got to the level where you could practice EZ mod. There have been so many cases of players seeming to have an epiphany and just instantly boost way up, perhaps because of talent that wasn't realized or utilized before, the progression isn't the same for anyone. I would argue that a great mindset, good work ethic, and a decent amount of talent in some categories are all you need to become top 50 (of course not #1 in the world, though).winber1 wrote:
honestly, the moment i read op's post, i was like this is fucking obvious and useless and it would just get shut down in like 5 posts and no would ever respond again, hence my first post, but apparently that is not the case and we are incapable of having level-headed conversation here, though not to my surprise.
Coming from someone who watches a lot of basketball and knows a lot of stuff about it, I reckon that he can. Muggsy Bogues was an exceptional passer, stealer, and he was one of the fastest players in the game at the time, and that was during the era of the Bad Boys and Michael Jordan, where in physicality and dominating your opponent is everything. Seeing as how the game right now revolves in tactics and less in physicality, he'd become a top role player for any team out there, especially those looking to utilize counterattacking strategies and run and gun.Railey2 wrote:
that depends. Do you think he could have made it in 2016?Boomdopew wrote:
I did a little search before on players who were around the 160cm height range and Muggsy Bogues showed up. Does this counters OP's recent points?
why are you responding to me? lolNixXSkate wrote:
Because you probably can't see your own talent and other people may not be able to see it based on your scores. If someone was untalented in too many areas of osu! and doesn't have the intelligence or proper mindset to get better, then that is something they have to discover, not be told. Being good at osu! is not just one talent, there are several different talents you can have that can all relate to being good at osu!. Some talents, such as natural finger speed, may be more visible than others. Some talents wouldn't be as obvious, such as someone who has high mental stamina and can play for hours upon hours without losing focus. It's a great talent to have, but it wouldn't be very visible to yourself or others unless maybe they observed you. Another talent you might have is good spacial awareness of the screen, but you wouldn't realize that unless you got to the level where you could practice EZ mod. There have been so many cases of players seeming to have an epiphany and just instantly boost way up, perhaps because of talent that wasn't realized or utilized before, the progression isn't the same for anyone. I would argue that a great mindset, good work ethic, and a decent amount of talent in some categories are all you need to become top 50 (of course not #1 in the world, though).winber1 wrote:
honestly, the moment i read op's post, i was like this is fucking obvious and useless and it would just get shut down in like 5 posts and no would ever respond again, hence my first post, but apparently that is not the case and we are incapable of having level-headed conversation here, though not to my surprise.