- You're focusing on the wrong things
When many players first start learning to stream, they begin by focusing on the wrong things. Something quite common I see is someone saying something like this: "I just started learning to stream and I made quite a lot of improvement. Last week I could only do 170 bpm but now, I can stream 200!"
When you first start learning to stream, technique is the first thing you should be focusing on. Yes, yes, everyone wants to be streaming 250 bpm for 10 minutes straight because it's flashy but without any control, that speed and stamina is useless. As such, your general priorities should be as follows: accuracy > aim/reading >>>> speed = stamina.
Accuracy and aim/reading of streams are the foundation of streaming consistency. When you have a solid base of accuracy, aiming and reading, all you need to do is get the speed and the stamina and all those skills will automatically transfer over to the high bpm/longer streams. Not only is the reverse not true, but playing too much high bpm and long streams without any real solid understanding of how to play them only leads to bad habits which will only make learning to stream consistently more difficult. - You're playing the wrong maps
Another big no-no when it comes to learning streams is playing the wrong maps. I'm not talking about playing jumps maps to learn streaming but playing way too difficult stream maps to learn streaming. I've seen countless people trying to learn to stream by playing 6* and even 7* maps. When you're first learning to stream, you have to start by playing easier streams first.
To begin with, you start learning to stream by playing short bursts and then progressing onto to streams then deathstreams. Of course we consider the bpm too. As from my first point, you don't want to be going too high. Finally, we consider the spacing of the stream. Spacing is (in my opinion) the biggest factor when it comes to streaming difficulty but also the least respected difficulty factor out there.
Many people tend to just sort streams by bpm and basically call it a day there. It's no wonder so many people get confused as to why some random 7* 160 bpm stream is so difficult. With regards to stream spacing, you want to start out with very easy spacing and progress onto more and more difficultly spaced streams. - You don't actually know how to read streams
Before you scoff at this, hear me out first. Believe it or not, it took me 3 years to figure out how to read streams correctly. Of course, if I never played many streams this would make sense but in reality, I had FCed many stream maps during this period. A vivid memory I have is playing Ascension to Heaven and even though I had the speed and stamina to play it, I was constantly messing up my aim on the final deathstream. A friend of mine was spectating me playing and I was complaining to him about not understanding why I was messing it up constantly. He basically told me that I couldn't read it. I scoffed at his observation as the stream wasn't particularly difficult to read. Of course, my friend was right but it wasn't only that I couldn't read that stream, I just couldn't read streams at all.
If you aren't sure whether you can actually read streams or not, here are 3 questions to ask yourself:- Do you constantly mess up your aim on streams without knowing why?
- Are you just tracing your cursor over streams and hoping you hit?
- Can you tell the difference between a mess up due to aim and accuracy?
- Bonus - You just don't play enough streams.
This one is pretty straightforward. Some of you expect results too quickly. Learning to stream consistently takes quite a lot of time and effort so don't expect it to only take you a month to get perfect.
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I have difficties streaming for 8+ notes for pretty much any bpm above 150, why would that be? I do have a lack of speed despite being full alt.. and i no longer feel a burn whatever i try with the streams, so what can i do at this stage? When it comes to higher bpms i understream a lot, and only sometimes i hit it right. And if you have any tips regarding mouse aim it would be appreciated, i miss way too much, even with basic patterns
Topic Starter
Stream speed has nothing to do with being an alt or single tapper. Focus on short bursts for now and slowly move onto streams. If you can do bursts well, short streams will be easier, when you can do short streams well, longer streams will be easier, etc. With regards to your aiming, be more deliberate on each circle - don't read ahead too much, the only circle that matters is the next one you need to hit.Molly Sandera wrote:
I have difficties streaming for 8+ notes for pretty much any bpm above 150, why would that be? I do have a lack of speed despite being full alt.. and i no longer feel a burn whatever i try with the streams, so what can i do at this stage? When it comes to higher bpms i understream a lot, and only sometimes i hit it right. And if you have any tips regarding mouse aim it would be appreciated, i miss way too much, even with basic patterns
Nice thread Almost, really nice to read,
so many people are thinking that streaming well is just streaming fast,
in my book, streaming well is streaming properly, no matter the bpm.
and there is my personal experience about streams :
As soon as i encountered my firsts streams, i felt in love with those patterns,
since then, maps without some bursts and streams were suddenly less attractive/boring.
I can't stream consistently.
I love slow song and low bpm streams. (Not because those are easier, i really love calm and relaxing music)
I'm playing mostly maps with streams 120-150 BPM since 2 years now, 2000 hours playtime.
When i first tried to get into streams, i was barely able to keep 130bpm for 5 seconds,
and 120bpm for 10 seconds because of stamina.
Anything faster was limited to short bursts, 3-5 notes, sometimes 7-9 if on a good day.
Since 2 years, i improved from 120-130 bpm to 150 (long) - 160 (short) bpm streams.
Any attempts to play faster streams (170-200) is just terrible.
For 170+ bpm streams, i'm actually limited to short bursts. (~3-10 notes)
Anything spaced enough is a total mess as well, no matter the bpm.
examples :
If people here want to share their story, tell it,
i'm curious about your experiences.
so many people are thinking that streaming well is just streaming fast,
in my book, streaming well is streaming properly, no matter the bpm.
and there is my personal experience about streams :
As soon as i encountered my firsts streams, i felt in love with those patterns,
since then, maps without some bursts and streams were suddenly less attractive/boring.
I can't stream consistently.
I love slow song and low bpm streams. (Not because those are easier, i really love calm and relaxing music)
I'm playing mostly maps with streams 120-150 BPM since 2 years now, 2000 hours playtime.
When i first tried to get into streams, i was barely able to keep 130bpm for 5 seconds,
and 120bpm for 10 seconds because of stamina.
Anything faster was limited to short bursts, 3-5 notes, sometimes 7-9 if on a good day.
Since 2 years, i improved from 120-130 bpm to 150 (long) - 160 (short) bpm streams.
Any attempts to play faster streams (170-200) is just terrible.
For 170+ bpm streams, i'm actually limited to short bursts. (~3-10 notes)
Anything spaced enough is a total mess as well, no matter the bpm.
examples :
videos
https://streamable.com/npq9qt
https://streamable.com/5jmyg9
https://streamable.com/bnlr14 <- so slow that most people don't even call those "streams"
https://streamable.com/l153qt
https://streamable.com/e2j8hr
https://streamable.com/qvvhky
https://streamable.com/r42n96 <- one of the rare cases where i've successfully hit a stream faster than 160bpm.
https://streamable.com/3ydycr
https://streamable.com/iv3pue
https://streamable.com/5jmyg9
https://streamable.com/bnlr14 <- so slow that most people don't even call those "streams"
https://streamable.com/l153qt
https://streamable.com/e2j8hr
https://streamable.com/qvvhky
https://streamable.com/r42n96 <- one of the rare cases where i've successfully hit a stream faster than 160bpm.
https://streamable.com/3ydycr
https://streamable.com/iv3pue
If people here want to share their story, tell it,
i'm curious about your experiences.
Topic Starter
Ironically it's a lot harder to find consistency on lower bpm streams because it's harder to maintain accuracy on them but because it's harder, they are the best to practice on.Juuuuuuuuul wrote:
I can't stream consistently.
I love slow song and low bpm streams. (Not because those are easier, i really love calm and relaxing music)
I'm playing mostly maps with streams 120-150 BPM since 2 years now, 2000 hours playtime.
Also, it looks like your streams are pretty good!
Maybe just need to work on speed more if you want to play high bpm stuff.Thanks i'll keep working on it !
Almost just keeps writing these banger posts.
But I wholeheartedly agree with focusing on accuracy than speed, if I never focused on accuracy and just kept wanting to get faster and faster I would of never gotten top 100 on this scores/osu/3357264208
This all being said my comfort zone is still 170-190 (sometimes 200 on good days), so I'm not really that good at speed, but I just think speed is a little too focused on compared to accuracy and consistency.
Finally I never get why newer players think that practicing on 6* and 7* maps will help them improve when most likely they can't even comprehend what's even happening.
But I wholeheartedly agree with focusing on accuracy than speed, if I never focused on accuracy and just kept wanting to get faster and faster I would of never gotten top 100 on this scores/osu/3357264208
This all being said my comfort zone is still 170-190 (sometimes 200 on good days), so I'm not really that good at speed, but I just think speed is a little too focused on compared to accuracy and consistency.
Finally I never get why newer players think that practicing on 6* and 7* maps will help them improve when most likely they can't even comprehend what's even happening.
Topic Starter
Honestly, my speed fluctuates a lot. A week ago I was able to do 270 bpm for 100 notes on the stream speed tester but normally after warming up I'm only able to do around 210-220 for 100 notes and it's even worse when I'm not warmed up too (like struggling to do 160 bpm for 100 notes).MrSparklepants wrote:
This all being said my comfort zone is still 170-190 (sometimes 200 on good days), so I'm not really that good at speed, but I just think speed is a little too focused on compared to accuracy and consistency.
ty almost for the amazing guide once again . i always liked stream just because i can't aim for shits xd
though i have one big problem on streams. my cursor just cant seem too follow the stream body very well. sometimes my cursor moves faster than the stream body while other time it moves slower even tho i have the speed and stamina for it. like sometimes i can do space stream and some other times i cant follow really compact streams. does this mean that i cant read streams properly? whats wrong what do?
. i always liked stream just because i can't aim for shits xdthough i have one big problem on streams. my cursor just cant seem too follow the stream body very well. sometimes my cursor moves faster than the stream body while other time it moves slower even tho i have the speed and stamina for it. like sometimes i can do space stream and some other times i cant follow really compact streams. does this mean that i cant read streams properly? whats wrong what do?
Topic Starter
It definitely seems like you can't read streams. Here's what I would do if I were you; read the reading streams section of my stream guide and then practice this technique on streams with ≤1/2 note spacing that aren't curved and don't change in spacing until you get a good feel for it and then try on curved streams. Whenever you screw up your aim on the stream, observe what you did with your eyes. Good luck.ClevelandsMyBro wrote:
though i have one big problem on streams. my cursor just cant seem too follow the stream body very well. sometimes my cursor moves faster than the stream body while other time it moves slower even tho i have the speed and stamina for it. like sometimes i can do space stream and some other times i cant follow really compact streams. does this mean that i cant read streams properly? whats wrong what do?