Kalafina - Eden

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Vell

Rad- wrote:

Hey! From my queueueueueu

General: Your BG appears to be above 1366x768, don't forget to change it. ranking criteria allows up to 1920x1200 for a while now

Normal:
Not sure if a small slider on Normal repeating like this is allowed 04:26:879 (1) and so close to the next object, but still, 04:28:165 (2) - needs a NC for better reading. tbh Im not sure either, will ask some people about it. You right about the nc though overlooked that one
That's all i could find really, it's well mapped.

Hard:
Possible nitpick but 00:20:451 (4,6) - this overlap seems a bit hard to read even for a Hard compared to the rest. yeah moved it up a bit
00:26:451 (1,2) - Another weird overlap but this one is less intense so its fine I like this one tho
01:09:094 (4) - This circle needs to be placed slightly lower as well dunno maybe yea why not
01:46:165 - Don't leave this part in silence? The absence of mapping here felt kinda weird, even thought there would be a spinner at least I initially did have a spinner here but also wanted to have 01:47:665 - mapped so I removed it cause recoverytime after spinner rules bla but put it back again and removed that circle
04:04:379 - You could add another circle here to fill the long pause, and it fits well to the music ofc, you can place it right in the middle of the playfield. dunno why I just didnt do the same here as 01:47:879 -

Sinfonia:
00:30:308 (3) - Ctrl+G? Looks better and flows nicely too tru
Personal opinion again but these patterns: 01:50:237 (1,2,3,4,5) - would be easier and look better if each object had its own color, but its more in the playability sense that i would prefer each having its own combo for better reading. hm nah I think this is fine
02:13:594 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same thing but then you have to remove combo on 02:14:879 (1) - to avoid misclicking and another alternative would be also moving all objects 02:13:594 (1,1,1,1,1) - to be placed last object on top of start of slider 02:14:879 - , again, to avoid misclick if you happened to change the combo colors as i said
04:06:737 (2,3,4,5) - Same as before
04:25:808 (2,3,4,5,6) - ^ Yup

Sorry if the mod is too short, i usually testplay all of the maps that i get for modding but yours is really well done already so it was nothing really missing for me to suggest unless super nitpicky. The overlaps are all pretty well done and since the whole maps follow the same idea theres really nothing to go on about pointing every single one.
Really fun to play though.

Good luck!
Thanks alot!
Rad-
Lmao, i came back to check the response and i had no idea about the background thing, i even checked the criteria again to make sure but there was nothing about that there, just shows how behind i am in modding lol
DeRandom Otaku
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[Normal]
  1. Well even tho this difficulty is very dense, but still AR 5 is way too much for "first" difficulty of the set . please nerf to 4 or 4.5
  2. 00:06:951 (2,3,4,5) - Well since you are using 1/2 alot here , it would hurt to remove repeat from 00:08:022 (5) - and use circle at 00:08:451 - so that it emphasizes the loud melody and cymbal properly
  3. 00:31:594 - 01:20:451 - and others like these i would make these clickable also for same reason as above , but these ones are'nt actually as strong as the previous one
  4. 00:41:879 (6,1) - Swap NC's for consistency
  5. 01:25:594 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - In this whole section , Your NC patterning is really weird , Sometime the nc is after 2 downbeats , sometime after 3 and sometimes after 4 . there is no consistency at all so you should rather fix it
  6. 02:37:594 (4) - NC
  7. 04:24:308 - Well its pretty clear the sound one this downbeat is twice as intense as 04:23:879 - in term of both vocal and melody , The snare and cymbal also make this one a really important beat , Executing it like this on a slider end is a really bad idea.

[Hard]
  1. 00:05:879 (1,1) - You really dont need to spam NC here , I know NC for sv change is a thing . But its just a guideline not a rule . The sv change here is hardly even noticeable. You could safely remove NC from 00:06:522 (1) - and it will be all cool as before.
  2. 00:06:522 (1,1) - ummm http://puu.sh/uOGwc/76db69d394.jpg is this tiny overlap really necessary , its looks bad bad
  3. 00:36:308 (1,1) - Stack
  4. 00:57:094 (6,7) - You should rather leave them DS'd . The reason for this is that the sound at 00:57:308 - is more powerful so stacking it doesnt emphasize it in terms of spacing .More like these exist in the diff so check them yourself
  5. 01:37:165 - You broke your NC patterning from here , so remove nc from 01:37:165 (1) - and add at 01:38:451 (4) - and so one
  6. 02:11:879 (1) - Cute
  7. 02:22:165 - Rip NC patterning again
  8. 03:21:308 - Again , Make this clickable for better emphasis

[Insane]
  1. 00:57:094 (6,7) - Same as in hard
  2. 02:28:594 - and another break in NC patterning , are these intentional? they exist in all diffs . If intentional , i cant really tell why would u do it this way

gl
Topic Starter
Vell
fixed everything except these 00:31:594 (6) - in hard and sinfonia because, I did have them DSd before but they felt weird to me and I recently figured out why; if I DS them there still wont be any emphasize on the strong beat on the last circle because the spacing between the slider and the circle prior is the same. So there is actually less emphasize on the strong beat if I DS it which makes it play weird, so I just stacked it to put the emphasize on the spinner follow up which plays better imo

regarding the weird NCs: I Likely NCd certain patterns that stick out or differences in vocals which seem to break the usual NC patterns. Its what I generally tend to do while mapping but I fixed them all
Thank you!
Cheri
wow this pretty good and u even made a mapset for this long song - I gave a couple stars

sorry for no mod
Shunao
Heyo!~

NM from my Q

  • General
  1. maybe finish normal diff like hard and last diff? because bpm don't look similar: normal and hard
  • Normal
  1. 00:22:594 (2,3) - imperfect blanket (i don't know if that's the point)
  2. 02:35:879 (2,1) - this overlap doesn't look nice imo i suggest maybe at x:74 y:126
  3. 02:38:451 (2,1) - :/ https://puu.sh/xes29/67073b1b77.png
  4. 03:08:451 (1) - idk if this spinner is too short for newbies maybe if it's fine it's okay but if it's not good i suggest to enlarge it until 03:11:022
  5. 04:02:558 (1,1) - same here ^
  6. 04:24:737 (3,2) - stack them?
  • Hard
  1. 04:01:165 (3,4,5) - i don't think this overlap is necessary here
  • Sinfonia
  1. 00:14:237 (2,3) - better stacking?
  2. 03:05:987 (1,1,1,1,1) - why this is not similar as 04:02:558 (1,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - i think you can emphasis the 1st part before the break
  3. 03:47:022 (1,4) - better stack on sliders tails


Clean mapset!

gl!~
Topic Starter
Vell

ShogunMoon wrote:

Heyo!~

NM from my Q

  • General
  1. maybe finish normal diff like hard and last diff? because bpm don't look similar: normal and hard That shouldnt matter, since the bpm is only differen cause of the piano timing at the end and mapping that in the normal would be too difficult to follow for beginners
  • Normal
  1. 00:22:594 (2,3) - imperfect blanket (i don't know if that's the point) fixed
  2. 02:35:879 (2,1) - this overlap doesn't look nice imo i suggest maybe at x:74 y:126 fixed
  3. 02:38:451 (2,1) - :/ https://puu.sh/xes29/67073b1b77.png fixed
  4. 03:08:451 (1) - idk if this spinner is too short for newbies maybe if it's fine it's okay but if it's not good i suggest to enlarge it until 03:11:022
  5. 04:02:558 (1,1) - same here ^ should be fine
  6. 04:24:737 (3,2) - stack them? ya
  • Hard
  1. 04:01:165 (3,4,5) - i don't think this overlap is necessary here wanna keep it in line with the pattern of 03:59:879 (1,2,3) -
  • Sinfonia
  1. 00:14:237 (2,3) - better stacking? ya, damn rounding errors
  2. 03:05:987 (1,1,1,1,1) - why this is not similar as 04:02:558 (1,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - i think you can emphasis the 1st part before the break true
  3. 03:47:022 (1,4) - better stack on sliders tails A


Clean mapset!

gl!~
thanks alot!
josh1024
From the queue:

Finally I'm here. Not much of a help tho. sorry.

Normal
01:46:272 (1) and 04:02:558 (1) mapped differently?
04:34:594 (3,4,5) wide angle plus only used once. I'm not quite comfortable w/ this.

Sinfonia
01:34:379 (3,4,5,6,7) drum 03:23:022 (4,5,6,7) no sound but same pattern 03:50:879 (4) drum but no pattern?
03:49:165 (6,7) maybe have larger space before 7 than 6.
Topic Starter
Vell

josh1024 wrote:

From the queue:

Finally I'm here. Not much of a help tho. sorry.

Normal
01:46:272 (1) and 04:02:558 (1) mapped differently? lol yea made them consistent
04:34:594 (3,4,5) wide angle plus only used once. I'm not quite comfortable w/ this. changed the slider 04:33:951 - to make it flow
better into the angle


Sinfonia
01:34:379 (3,4,5,6,7) drum 03:23:022 (4,5,6,7) no sound but same pattern 03:50:879 (4) drum but no pattern? made first pattern same as last one
03:49:165 (6,7) maybe have larger space before 7 than 6. ya
thank you
- Dom -
Nice map, although I have one request, maybe more difficulties than three nowadays most maps have 4-7 just a suggestion other than that, Great map! :)
Topic Starter
Vell
due to this song being >5min long Im not actually obligated to have more than 1 diff. If the song itself would call for something more difficult than my current top diff Id go at it but dont think I can make something more challenging without it overshadowing the song, glad to hear you like it though!
Smokeman
i care about low diff marathon spreads C:

General

Meta checks out.
05:05:498 (1) - i think these long sliders are fine with muted slider ticks and slide as the vocals are pretty constant and clean. If you want you could add for just this slider the following quieter soft-sliderslide https://puu.sh/AaUe3/4ecd143417.wav

Sinfonia

01:24:951 (1,2,3,1) - This felt kinda excessive. You think you could nerf it a bit? Like reduce 01:25:379 (3,1) - /move 01:25:379 (3) - to 224|64
01:34:594 (4,5,6) - ctrl+g the rhythm ? I know you follow the vocals but the slider ends weird on a the first drum. Followed by the second drum on first of the two following circles.
03:41:022 (1,2,3) - space these more out like 01:24:951 (1,2,3,1) -
04:30:308 (6) - Have you considered putting this liek so https://puu.sh/AaSKx/911f7207ae.jpg . it looks a bit too close to 04:29:451 (4) - making the pattern looks kinda crammed even tho 04:29:451 (4,5) - are pretty space-y and free-y kinda.


hard

01:20:237 (5,6) - let this stack in the direction of the slider just like 00:30:737 (4,5,6) - (in other words custom stack it)
01:30:737 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - pretty packed but ok


normal

all cool


all looks good!
call me Mr.Back
Topic Starter
Vell

Smokeman wrote:

i care about low diff marathon spreads C:

General

Meta checks out.
05:05:498 (1) - i think these long sliders are fine with muted slider ticks and slide as the vocals are pretty constant and clean. If you want you could add for just this slider the following quieter soft-sliderslide https://puu.sh/AaUe3/4ecd143417.wav ya

Sinfonia

01:24:951 (1,2,3,1) - This felt kinda excessive. You think you could nerf it a bit? Like reduce 01:25:379 (3,1) - /move 01:25:379 (3) - to 224|64 ya
01:34:594 (4,5,6) - ctrl+g the rhythm ? I know you follow the vocals but the slider ends weird on a the first drum. Followed by the second drum on first of the two following circles. ya
03:41:022 (1,2,3) - space these more out like 01:24:951 (1,2,3,1) - ya
04:30:308 (6) - Have you considered putting this liek so https://puu.sh/AaSKx/911f7207ae.jpg . it looks a bit too close to 04:29:451 (4) - making the pattern looks kinda crammed even tho 04:29:451 (4,5) - are pretty space-y and free-y kinda. nah I dont see how its too crammed or too close to 4, I prefer the circles to have the opposite angle of 5


hard

01:20:237 (5,6) - let this stack in the direction of the slider just like 00:30:737 (4,5,6) - (in other words custom stack it) nah that looks too weird
01:30:737 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - pretty packed but ok


normal

all cool


all looks good!
call me Mr.Back
Smokeman
bubble #1
Nozhomi
K go

[Hard :]
  1. 02:43:594 (4,5,6) - I can't understand why you stacked them when vocal could be emphazied with 02:44:022 (6) - . Also there's better spot to use stack like 02:51:094 (2,3,4,5) - imo.


[Sinfonia :]
  1. 00:07:165 (3,4,5,6,7) - Not hitsounded LO

I secretly wish last diff was AR9
Mukyu~
Topic Starter
Vell

Nozhomi wrote:

K go

[Hard :]
  1. 02:43:594 (4,5,6) - I can't understand why you stacked them when vocal could be emphazied with 02:44:022 (6) - . Also there's better spot to use stack like 02:51:094 (2,3,4,5) - imo. yea true changed that, tho left 02:51:094 (2,3,4,5) - cause the linear movement kinda achieves the same effect


[Sinfonia :]
  1. 00:07:165 (3,4,5,6,7) - Not hitsounded LO whoops

I secretly wish last diff was AR9
Mukyu~
Nozhomi
Mukyu~
Hobbes2
hi vell

normal -

I think this diff is designed kinda poorly, usually for low diffs you want the SV and DS to be kinda similar, closer to between .8 and 1.3 than stuff like 2.0 or 1.7 like you use a lot of. This is so the movement between objects can match the slider velocity so the movement is cohesive. It's even in the ranking criteria here: https://puu.sh/ACJXh/72eb148669.png. The best way to fix this is to increase the SV, but that does require a lot of work...

the sections with 1.5 DS are actually pretty fine (so the choruses) but the ones that go higher start to feel kinda awkward. I guess its your call on this one since it is a marathon normal (i'd care more if it was a required diff for the spread)


edit - actually changed my mind on this guess its fine
UndeadCapulet
i dont think the current sv/ds settings are an issue, it's actually pretty comfortable for this song's slower pacing. you can watch the 1 replay from the 1 normal-level player that's played this and they dont have any issue lol hobs
Topic Starter
Vell
lol, ya I didnt see any issue with it either, I always testplay low diffs with mouse cause I suck with it and I felt the movement was as natural as needed to be
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