I still dont get why people is talking about PP in this thread... This is for scoreV2 only and its aiming for the MWC not to the pp system or the score system. For now it will be just for World Cups (afaik). We all do know that the PP formula or whatever is bad and that noone should really care about it (same thing for SR) so can we just leave that out of discus?
Related to what you say Apple:
Dont get me wrong tho, I hope you understand my point of view and the one from all the people that are trying to help here.
Huge thanks for Shoegazer, Halogen, Ciel, smogi, and everyone that is helping here and sorry once again for not being able to help too much with this
EDIT: Lets be honest... HD/FL/FI shouldnt give score boost just for the reason that you can just change your skin to make it look as you play with those mods. If we ever get mod brackets that would be unfair for the nomod players.
Related to what you say Apple:
Sakura Kyoko wrote:
4. Score V2
Don't even get me started. So a song I previously had 992k on now gives me 900k, well okay then.
You LOSE points for poor accuracy. THAT is by far the worst idea I've seen in ages. Why would I lose points that I've gained for doing something well? Like, I'm already losing out on the points that I lose by having poor accuracy/misses. Why would I then lose points for stuff I had on 300S before? Dafuq is this?
I dont know I understand what you are talking about here... IF you have poor accuracy of course you should drop your score...
It's like "yeah look, you had 10 of the 20 questions correct, but instead of giving you 50% of the points, we're giving you none, because fuck you!"
What if you have the 10 easy questions correct? Does that mean you deserve 50% of the score? Even with that, I still dont understasnd what you mean. If you miss 10 times and you have 100 notes then you just should lost 10% of the points? (100k).
The new system ONLY benefits top-tier players, and even those will struggle to keep their scores where they currently are, except for accuracy-machines like Halogen-.
They favour players that can handle difficulty at a certain level. Of course, thats how a scoring system should work. If you arent good enought to beat a map with a decent performance then it doesnt matter which score system you have. Or at least thats what I think
And the 200k for having a full combo, while only getting 25% of it for A SINGLE MISS OR COMBO BREAK is incredibly counter-intuitive aswell.
Imagine, 100% the entire song, great 300S-rate, boom, you miss the last note. Well good bye PP, because you just lost 150k for a single miss.
I am too sure that you didnt even test this... How about giving it a shot before complaining like this? And again, dont look at PP for god sake...I think our current score system isn't even that bad and most people didn't complain about it either. Why would you change a running system? There are MUCH bigger problems that need to be fixed, like that incredibly inaccurate star-rating algorithm.
Because tournament enviorment is really boring to watch most of the times for mania. Mostly because consistency is a thing that mania players do have (a lot of that) and its really acc-based. If you add combo to the table and mods multipliers then it becomes something 100% different, more exciting and of course as a benefit for those who play good, but a huge drop if you miss just once in a close battle.
5. Conclusion
While I really appreciate the time, effort and the attention mania FINALLY gets, I really think we're heading the completely wrong way. Instead of looking what other games do well (SM with rates, o2JAM LN mechanics), we desperately try to do stuff "our own way", which ends up hurting Mania more than it helps. Give a fair PP bonus for DT or give none at all, don't give bonus points for visual preference and for the love of god, don't subtract points for poor accuracy.
We do have problems, indeed. All mania players know that. But it is 100% needed to have rates? It surely doesnt. Would be a cool add for sure, same thing for a scoring system for tournaments. Now that we have the attention that we "deserve" then we have to clear this topic so then we can try something else like SM rates or whatever (you can always go to SM to play your songs at 1.1x if you want tho)
Sometimes, it's better to look at other, long-standing rhythm games and copy what people like about them. They're not popular for no reason. If we keep heading that way (that way being Score V2, 1.06x score multiplier for DT and visuals, lol), mania will never be taken seriously.
You know... Using "lol" after the multiplier "suggestion" is not helping at all. If you really love osu!mania then take this seriously and dont take everyones effort as it was a joke. Does mania really deserves the attention you pointed out? I am not to sure with this way that we behave sometimes. Like this one. Once that we get noticed at least in something we shouldnt just say those kind of stuff. At least thats my opinion
P.S.: I really love osu!mania, I'm not hating on the game in any shape or form, but I'm loving it how it CURRENTLY is. And I still think we should just copy things that other games (that were created long before osu! even existed) do way better.
Dont get me wrong tho, I hope you understand my point of view and the one from all the people that are trying to help here.
Huge thanks for Shoegazer, Halogen, Ciel, smogi, and everyone that is helping here and sorry once again for not being able to help too much with this
EDIT: Lets be honest... HD/FL/FI shouldnt give score boost just for the reason that you can just change your skin to make it look as you play with those mods. If we ever get mod brackets that would be unfair for the nomod players.