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Mapset and Spread Restructure (Proposed)

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FGSky

ztrot wrote:

Hello everyone, ztrot here with some exciting new news!

ztrot wrote:

some exciting new news!

ztrot wrote:

exciting new news!

ztrot wrote:

exciting
lol'd
Sylvette

Timorisu wrote:

Zak wrote:

For months now everyone complains about shit mapping, now we announce a change and everyone says it was fine.

Make up your fucking minds.

Things are not ending, this does not kill your ability make maps, you can still make multiple sets for a single song, you still have options.

And not everything here is final as already stated, it's not like we just ignore what everyone else thinks, there's just too much to reply to currently.
People complain about shit maps. What you do in return is limit the amount of quality sets.

How does that make sense?
PossessedRabbit
hey can we not screw eveything up thanks
Sophii

XxVivaxX wrote:

Why do we want to change something, that isnt borken. If you look at a average or a new player, they will all have problems to improve. Why do you want people to improve in big steps, instead of little small ones?




Pretty much describes it.
Vuelo Eluko

Cirno-baka9"[quote="Timorisu wrote:

Zak wrote:

For months now everyone complains about shit mapping, now we announce a change and everyone says it was fine.

Make up your fucking minds.

Things are not ending, this does not kill your ability make maps, you can still make multiple sets for a single song, you still have options.

And not everything here is final as already stated, it's not like we just ignore what everyone else thinks, there's just too much to reply to currently.
People complain about shit maps. What you do in return is limit the amount of quality sets.

How does that make sense?
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sellyme

Zak wrote:

For months now everyone complains about shit mapping, now we announce a change and everyone says it was fine.

Make up your fucking minds.

Things are not ending, this does not kill your ability make maps, you can still make multiple sets for a single song, you still have options.

And not everything here is final as already stated, it's not like we just ignore what everyone else thinks, there's just too much to reply to currently.
I'm sorry I must have missed the 200 posts an hour of people complaining about shitmaps. I don't suppose you have the thread that happened in handy anywhere? Or by "everyone" did you mean "less than 1% as many people as there are opposing this change"?
XII
:o

Zak wrote:

For months now everyone complains about shit mapping, now we announce a change and everyone says it was fine.

Make up your fucking minds.

Things are not ending, this does not kill your ability make maps, you can still make multiple sets for a single song, you still have options.

And not everything here is final as already stated, it's not like we just ignore what everyone else thinks, there's just too much to reply to currently.
Are you stupid?

Proposing a good change is different from a bad change.

"Make up your fucking minds"

So I can choose between a bad change and a bad change? Oh thanks I'll take the bad change please!
Kaine

Blind Justice wrote:

Let's fix the website first. It keeps crashing on me every time I reload.
Use new.ppy.sh
Kinomi
1. Quit mapping and osu
2. We can rank same song in a week, and remove the 6 maps a day rc
After these 2 changes, let us if new one is good

3. quit mapping and osu
Finally a good reason to quit tjis stupid game.
isome
Oh my..
Kencho

XxVivaxX wrote:

Why do we want to change something, that isnt borken. If you look at a average or a new player, they will all have problems to improve. Why do you want people to improve in big steps, instead of little small ones?




I'm very agree for this!
Broccoly

Zak wrote:

For months now everyone complains about shit mapping, now we announce a change and everyone says it was fine.

Make up your fucking minds.

Things are not ending, this does not kill your ability make maps, you can still make multiple sets for a single song, you still have options.

And not everything here is final as already stated, it's not like we just ignore what everyone else thinks, there's just too much to reply to currently.
This is a change in the system, not the mapping itself. There still can be shitmapping with this new system. Your logic is flawed.
DeletedUser_1417202
Winnie
Damn I feel bad for the mapping community now. This restriction is a little too excessive. This is a very drastic change that limits mappers to make a variety in their sets. As a modder myself this doesn't quite affect me as really it will be easier to get shit done, but I don't like to condone what people want to map.
The way that it's structured I don't know how well with limiting difficulties in a set would do.

It's ok we as a community don't have power or say in a discussion this big because we are obviously living in an world where Donald Trump exists. Sad, sad world indeed. My regards to all mappers out there. Good Luck with this one :)
Cloudchaser
Meh
This pretty much reminded me when they wanted to eliminate 30 secs mapa
Hula

Zak wrote:

For months now everyone complains about shit mapping, now we announce a change and everyone says it was fine.

Make up your fucking minds.

Things are not ending, this does not kill your ability make maps, you can still make multiple sets for a single song, you still have options.

And not everything here is final as already stated, it's not like we just ignore what everyone else thinks, there's just too much to reply to currently.
the only time this was ever mentioned to the community was by ztrot 2 nights ago on modhelp. Only the council supposedly agreed to this.

This isn't the fix we were hoping for.
Sylvette

Broccoly wrote:

Zak wrote:

For months now everyone complains about shit mapping, now we announce a change and everyone says it was fine.

Make up your fucking minds.

Things are not ending, this does not kill your ability make maps, you can still make multiple sets for a single song, you still have options.

And not everything here is final as already stated, it's not like we just ignore what everyone else thinks, there's just too much to reply to currently.
This is a change in the system, not the mapping itself. There still can be shitmapping with this new system. Your logic is flawed.
Saoji

XxVivaxX wrote:

Why do we want to change something, that isnt borken. If you look at a average or a new player, they will all have problems to improve. Why do you want people to improve in big steps, instead of little small ones?




I don't really agree with it. I came in osu when approved map could just be a harder map (doesn't matter the lenght) and from this, it gave me motivation to improve even more to actually pass this map.
peppy
This has been released without consensus from the whole team. Not sure why.

Locking for now pending further internal discussion; we already have more than enough feedback in this thread (holy crap, fastest moving thread ever on the osu! forums?!). Rest assured we won't be pushing this on anyone just yet. I haven't even read the opening post here.
Loctav
Assisting ztrot's proposal to move it into the desired path here. If you have questions or concerns about this, you are free to contact him about it.

Given the misconceptions of the way the original amendment was worded, we came up with a better regulation, that reflects the intended change in a better way without implying more "restrictive behavior" than actually wanted.
Along with that, we attempted to improve the free form of designing your spread a bit, while maintaining the basic idea behind the changes proposed.

  1. You can map up to 6 difficulties in a mapset per game mode. The lowest difficulty of your set must be below 2*. All difficulties must be evenly spread apart and offer a linear progression. However, you can add a bonus difficulty. For that, the highest difficulty of your evenly spread set must be above 5.25*. The bonus difficulty does not have to align with the rest of the mapset's spread, but must be hardest of the entire mapset.
  2. You must not have more than 2 difficulties of the same level in your mapset per game mode.
  3. Approval maps are allowed to have only one difficuty if they're not Expert level. If it does, it needs an additional difficulty of Insane or Hard level. Maps over 10 minutes of drain time do not account for this rule and can have a single difficulty of any level.

This basically allows multiple constellations of mapsets, given that every individual difficulty is spread apart from each other in a linear way. For example:
(where U refers to Ultra, now referred as bonus difficulty in the rules)

ENHIIX + U is fine
ENHHIX + U is fine
ENHIX + U is fine
NHIX + U is fine
NHIXX + U is fine
NHIIXX + U is fine
NHIXX is fine
ENHIX is fine
NNHII is fine
ENHHII is fine
NHIXXX + U is not fine (cant be more than 2 X)
NNHHIIXX + U is not fine (exceeds the cap of 6+1)
ENHHIII is not fine (exceeds the cap of 6 and can't have 3 I)

For approval, this would mean
(>5:00 but <10:00 drain time)

E is fine
N is fine
H is fine
I is fine
X is not fine (it's an Expert, must have an Insane or Hard, too)
HX is fine
IX is fine
XX is not fine (still has no Insane or Hard)
IXX is fine
etc.

(>10:00 drain time)
every kind of single difficulty is allowed. The level doesn't matter.


We were torn in the Approval rule between allowing only IX or also HX. Maybe you guys have input for that matter, as well. We allowed both in the new proposal, but moving on with the feedback we gather from this thread and other places, we might find it easier to make a decision with that.

Additionally, ztrot reconsidered our transistion method to the new behavior. Instead of allowing beatmaps, that have been bubbled at some point of time, to be excluded from the rule change, we expand this allowance to all beatmaps that are currently submitted. This means, all beatmaps uploaded right now can be ranked under the old conditions, still. Newly submitted beatmaps must follow the new regulations, whenever they kick in. However, after 6 months of transistion time, all beatmaps will be handled under the new conditions, regardless of their submission date.

For now, the topic remains locked until peppy decides to unlock it again. I am just informing everyone that there is active efforts to adjust the proposal to both ends of the needs.
peppy
Really? You had to post that after what I said? Before I even read anything? Why?

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