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MeowPaz
Yahalo.victorica
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[Bass Kick]
00:20:627 (20627|4,21333|1) - 全部移到7
01:02:627 - 这边开始已经可以双键了
03:09:686 - http://puu.sh/n2Gtn/af35d3922d.jpg 增加难度
Topic Starter
[Emiria]

MeowPaz wrote:

Yahalo.victorica
Column: | S | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 |
Open
[Bass Kick]
00:20:627 (20627|4,21333|1) - 全部移到7
01:02:627 - 这边开始已经可以双键了
03:09:686 - http://puu.sh/n2Gtn/af35d3922d.jpg 增加难度
ZZHBOY
#1
Sandalphon
???
MeowPaz
!!!
Akasha-
who will take #2 and qualify?
btw mark me in one slot too
Topic Starter
[Emiria]

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

who will take #2 and qualify?
btw mark me in one slot too
lol #2 is good
Akasha-


nora2r - B.B.K.K.B.K.K. (Extended Mix) [OsuMania Modding]

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Beatmap Nominator Modding / Iconning

Mod Requested by victorica_db


[Generals]
- BPM: Okay
- Offset: 505 is more fit then
- AiMod: Okay
- Tags: Okay
- BG: Okay
- Kiai: Okay
- Metadata: Okay
- Folder’s problem: Fine
- Hitsound: soft-hitwhistle.wav is delayed, here is your fixer: http://puu.sh/noty4/6564d7d1b6.wav
- Timing: Okay
- Other: Okay

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“Here come of some suggest for your map, I always check fullmap, if I’m too tried I will come back soon, or only check that keys by the request! And remember to reply the mod when you’re accepcted it or not! And dont forget my kuds if my suggest is useful ~ Thanks for requested me ~
means I will come back

[Bass Kick]

SPOILER
  • how about change name to: BASS KICK
    cap will be more fit with the title
    Hitsound is quite hard to hearing well, increase it to 50%
    00:00:862 (862|1,1568|1,2274|1,2980|1,3686|1,4392|1,5098|1,5804|1,6157|1,6862|1,7568|1,8274|1,8980|1,9686|1,10392|1,11098|1) - how about move this to 8th column, as it's only for kick sound, no other sound than this on 1/1 here, only have hihat but it's on 1/2
    01:30:421 (90421|4,90686|4) - it's higher pitch than 01:29:715 (89715|4,89980|4) - , move this to another column to make it fit with music
    02:03:686 - making this will be more fit with music: http://puu.sh/notbJ/f69ededc2a.jpg
    02:11:362 - low kick, you also mapped two kickes on here 02:11:627 - so on there add one more note
    02:14:980 - from to 02:20:274 - are unsnapped, make it blank is the best resolution then
    04:13:921 - my suggestion is http://puu.sh/noton/3ea1448706.jpg for patterns and also pitch

[Overall]

man, i love this song, also your map constructed so well, i'm very love it
call me back soon
Topic Starter
[Emiria]

Kuo Kyoka wrote:



nora2r - B.B.K.K.B.K.K. (Extended Mix) [OsuMania Modding]

===

Beatmap Nominator Modding / Iconning

Mod Requested by victorica_db


[Generals]
- BPM: Okay
- Offset: 505 is more fit then
- AiMod: Okay
- Tags: Okay
- BG: Okay
- Kiai: Okay
- Metadata: Okay
- Folder’s problem: Fine
- Hitsound: soft-hitwhistle.wav is delayed, here is your fixer: http://puu.sh/noty4/6564d7d1b6.wav
- Timing: Okay
- Other: Okay

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| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |


“Here come of some suggest for your map, I always check fullmap, if I’m too tried I will come back soon, or only check that keys by the request! And remember to reply the mod when you’re accepcted it or not! And dont forget my kuds if my suggest is useful ~ Thanks for requested me ~
means I will come back

[Bass Kick]

SPOILER
  • how about change name to: BASS KICK
    cap will be more fit with the title
    Hitsound is quite hard to hearing well, increase it to 50%
    00:00:862 (862|1,1568|1,2274|1,2980|1,3686|1,4392|1,5098|1,5804|1,6157|1,6862|1,7568|1,8274|1,8980|1,9686|1,10392|1,11098|1) - how about move this to 8th column, as it's only for kick sound, no other sound than this on 1/1 here, only have hihat but it's on 1/2
    01:30:421 (90421|4,90686|4) - it's higher pitch than 01:29:715 (89715|4,89980|4) - , move this to another column to make it fit with music i prefer now
    02:03:686 - making this will be more fit with music: http://puu.sh/notbJ/f69ededc2a.jpg
    02:11:362 - low kick, you also mapped two kickes on here 02:11:627 - so on there add one more note
    02:14:980 - from to 02:20:274 - are unsnapped, make it blank is the best resolution thenbut i dont want to blank it i i check the snap
    04:13:921 - my suggestion is http://puu.sh/noton/3ea1448706.jpg for patterns and also pitch

[Overall]

man, i love this song, also your map constructed so well, i'm very love itfix all thanks
call me back soon
Akasha-
nora2r - B.B.K.K.B.K.K. (Extended Mix)[OsuMania Modding]


[Generals]
- BPM: Okay
- Offset: Okay
- AiMod: Okay
- Tags: Okay
- BG: Okay
- Kiai: Okay
- Metadata: Okay
- Folder’s problem: None
- Hitsound: Okay
- Timing: Okay
- Other: Okay

Bubbled #2
(LET THE BASS KICK)

Congratulations! Good luck on the qualification
Feerum
Requested Check



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Red means Unrankable stuff
Big means Important stuff
Normal are Suggestions
// means comments
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Hello victorica_db
Check as requested

General


Artist: Right
Title: Right
Source: Right
Tags: Right
AiMod: Right
Background: Right
BPM/Offset: Right
mp3/Hitsounds: Two hitsounds have some delay. I cut it for you. | click
Other: -

Bass Kick

00:38:093 (38093|3) - Move this to 3 to avoid here 00:38:093 (38093|3,38269|3) - a 1/2 beat Jack. You don't have any 1/2 jack in this part so.. this shouldn't be one too.
00:45:593 (45593|4) - You really want to have this note here? I mean sure there is a sound but it's really not audible on 100% playback, what is Normal while playing. Please Consider to remove it because it doesn't feel like a 1/4 note should be here.
00:55:387 (55387|1) - I highly recommend to remove this. The tripple is not a bad idea but you started it on the wrong place. This Triple here is fine 00:56:622 (56622|1,56799|3,56975|5) - since you emphasize the ending of a Part or rather a part where the music starts to get louder.
01:25:210 (85210|0) - Missing Finish Hitsound?
02:10:916 (130916|2,130916|7,131004|6,131004|4) - -> 02:12:328 (132328|7,132328|4,132416|6) - are same but you have different amount of notes. Add or Remove a note.
03:07:563 (187563|5,187563|7,187563|2) - Why here three notes? It's the only triple in this part.
03:30:857 (210857|1) - Why has this kick only single note? pretty sure it's same like 03:25:210 (205210|7,205210|1) - .
03:42:152 (222152|4,222328|4,222504|4,222681|4) - Please try to arrange here a bit the notes. This is just uagh.
03:51:328 (231328|3,231504|3,231681|3,231857|3) - Same thing here, recommend to CTRL + G these 03:51:857 (231857|3,231946|2) - .
03:53:269 (233269|3) - Move to 5, better playability.
03:54:681 (234681|3,234857|4,235034|3) - CTRL + H here.
04:12:681 - Missing note? You used always doubles on the red beats.
04:04:563 - Here too?
03:57:857 - Too?
04:03:504 - Here too?
04:07:740 - ?
04:14:093 (254093|7,254093|3) - Either you have here a Note too much or 04:14:446 - is a missing note, see 03:59:975 (239975|5,240328|5) - .
04:28:299 (268299|4) - -> 04:22:652 (262652|6,262652|4) - ?_? They are absolute same.
04:41:093 (281093|3,281181|2,281269|4,281357|3) - I'm pretty sure you should remove here the "finish" hitsound.
04:56:799 (296799|5) - move to 7 to avoid 04:56:269 (296269|5,296446|5,296622|5,296799|5) - .
05:03:857 (303857|0) - Uh for what this scratch here. Seems kinda random placed.
05:17:093 (317093|0) - Also this one, the previous one i understand because of the cymbal but for what this one?
05:17:004 (317004|4,318416|4,319828|4) - When you mapped all these only with single note you should keep consistency and remove 05:21:240 (321240|4) - ?

Ok that's all.
Maybe recheck the kiai 2-3 Times after apply my mod, it seems pretty inconsistent for me.
Call me back then
Topic Starter
[Emiria]

Feerum wrote:

Requested Check



Column: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |
======================================================
Red means Unrankable stuff
Big means Important stuff
Normal are Suggestions
// means comments
======================================================

Hello victorica_db
Check as requested

General


Artist: Right
Title: Right
Source: Right
Tags: Right
AiMod: Right
Background: Right
BPM/Offset: Right
mp3/Hitsounds: Two hitsounds have some delay. I cut it for you. | click
Other: -

Bass Kick

00:38:093 (38093|3) - Move this to 3 to avoid here 00:38:093 (38093|3,38269|3) - a 1/2 beat Jack. You don't have any 1/2 jack in this part so.. this shouldn't be one too.
00:45:593 (45593|4) - You really want to have this note here? I mean sure there is a sound but it's really not audible on 100% playback, what is Normal while playing. Please Consider to remove it because it doesn't feel like a 1/4 note should be here.
00:55:387 (55387|1) - I highly recommend to remove this. The tripple is not a bad idea but you started it on the wrong place. This Triple here is fine 00:56:622 (56622|1,56799|3,56975|5) - since you emphasize the ending of a Part or rather a part where the music starts to get louder.
01:25:210 (85210|0) - Missing Finish Hitsound?
02:10:916 (130916|2,130916|7,131004|6,131004|4) - -> 02:12:328 (132328|7,132328|4,132416|6) - are same but you have different amount of notes. Add or Remove a note.
03:07:563 (187563|5,187563|7,187563|2) - Why here three notes? It's the only triple in this part.
03:30:857 (210857|1) - Why has this kick only single note? pretty sure it's same like 03:25:210 (205210|7,205210|1) - .
03:42:152 (222152|4,222328|4,222504|4,222681|4) - Please try to arrange here a bit the notes. This is just uagh.
03:51:328 (231328|3,231504|3,231681|3,231857|3) - Same thing here, recommend to CTRL + G these 03:51:857 no(231857|3,231946|2) - .
03:53:269 (233269|3) - Move to 5, better playability.
03:54:681 (234681|3,234857|4,235034|3) - CTRL + H here.
04:12:681 - Missing note? You used always doubles on the red beats.
04:04:563 - Here too?
03:57:857 - Too?
04:03:504 - Here too?
04:07:740 - ?
04:14:093 (254093|7,254093|3) - Either you have here a Note too much or 04:14:446 - is a missing note, see 03:59:975 (239975|5,240328|5) - .
04:28:299 (268299|4) - -> 04:22:652 (262652|6,262652|4) - ?_? They are absolute same.
04:41:093 (281093|3,281181|2,281269|4,281357|3) - I'm pretty sure you should remove here the "finish" hitsound.
04:56:799 (296799|5) - move to 7 to avoid 04:56:269 (296269|5,296446|5,296622|5,296799|5) - .
05:03:857 (303857|0) - Uh for what this scratch here. Seems kinda random placed.
05:17:093 (317093|0) - Also this one, the previous one i understand because of the cymbal but for what this one?mistake xD
05:17:004 (317004|4,318416|4,319828|4) - When you mapped all these only with single note you should keep consistency and remove 05:21:240 (321240|4) - ?

Ok that's all.
Maybe recheck the kiai 2-3 Times after apply my mod, it seems pretty inconsistent for me.
Call me back then
others are fixed
Feerum
Alright, recheck time. Looks like i "overlook" some minor things.

[Bass Kick]
00:23:269 (23269|4,23269|6) - You should delete one note here. See 00:24:681 - , 00:26:093 - etc.
I saw from here 01:08:269 - to 01:13:916 - you used two notes on some red beats. Like 01:08:446 - , 01:09:857 - . I mean i have no problem with that, but before you used only 1 Note. and later, from 01:13:916 - you start again using only one note?
01:19:740 (79740|6,79740|2) - Delete one note? See also 01:21:152 - , 01:22:563 - etc.
01:39:593 (99593|3,99593|6) - One note too much? See 01:36:769 - , 01:38:181 - etc.
01:42:681 (102681|5,102681|2,102769|1,102769|6) - -> 01:44:093 (104093|7,104093|5,104181|3) - inconsistency in notes. Delete a nite here. 01:42:769 -
02:59:093 (179093|7,179269|5) - Jack these Pattern to keep consistency with your Style here :P
03:05:975 - Missing note?
03:12:681 - Delete a note? See 03:15:504 - and 03:18:328 - etc.
03:30:946 - Delete a Note? See 03:25:299 - .
04:55:652 (295652|3,295652|5) - Delete a note here? See 04:58:475 - .
05:00:593 - Not sure but i think here's a note missing.


Okay, these should solve the last inconsistency errors.
Call me back
Topic Starter
[Emiria]

Feerum wrote:

Alright, recheck time. Looks like i "overlook" some minor things.

[Bass Kick]
00:23:269 (23269|4,23269|6) - You should delete one note here. See 00:24:681 - , 00:26:093 - etc.k
I saw from here 01:08:269 - to 01:13:916 - you used two notes on some red beats. Like 01:08:446 - , 01:09:857 - . I mean i have no problem with that, but before you used only 1 Note. and later, from 01:13:916 - you start again using only one note?one note one sound i have check it xD
01:19:740 (79740|6,79740|2) - Delete one note? See also 01:21:152 - , 01:22:563 - etc.k
01:39:593 (99593|3,99593|6) - One note too much? See 01:36:769 - , 01:38:181 - etc.change to 2 notes
01:42:681 (102681|5,102681|2,102769|1,102769|6) - -> 01:44:093 (104093|7,104093|5,104181|3) - inconsistency in notes. Delete a nite here. 01:42:769 - i think it is fine
02:59:093 (179093|7,179269|5) - Jack these Pattern to keep consistency with your Style here :Pk
03:05:975 - Missing note?k
03:12:681 - Delete a note? See 03:15:504 - and 03:18:328 - etc.kk
03:30:946 - Delete a Note? See 03:25:299 - .k
04:55:652 (295652|3,295652|5) - Delete a note here? See 04:58:475 - .
05:00:593 - Not sure but i think here's a note missing.i think nothing here xD


Okay, these should solve the last inconsistency errors.
Call me back
Feerum
Hm.. i don't know why but.. i'm still not really satisfied with the Map now.
I mean yeah i will qualify it probably and sorry for such a nazi mod of me but i want to be sure everything will be fine.
So here are some last suggestions:

[Bass Kick]
03:27:857 (207857|4,207857|6,207857|2) - This should be definitely only two Notes. It's pretty same like 03:25:034 - and 03:26:446 - .
03:26:622 - should have only two notes. Has only kick here, no clap.
04:28:299 - I think here's a note missing, according to 04:22:652 (262652|4,262652|6) -
04:45:240 (285240|6,285240|4) - This one is somehow strange for me. It's literally same like 04:48:063 - and 04:50:887 - .. Please delete a note here to keep it consistent.

Ok, that's really the last thing.
Sorry not sorry for nazi mod. Hehe.

Call me back
Topic Starter
[Emiria]

Feerum wrote:

Hm.. i don't know why but.. i'm still not really satisfied with the Map now.
I mean yeah i will qualify it probably and sorry for such a nazi mod of me but i want to be sure everything will be fine.
So here are some last suggestions:

[Bass Kick]
03:27:857 (207857|4,207857|6,207857|2) - This should be definitely only two Notes. It's pretty same like 03:25:034 - and 03:26:446 - .there is one more sound
03:26:622 - should have only two notes. Has only kick here, no clap.
04:28:299 - I think here's a note missing, according to 04:22:652 (262652|4,262652|6) -
04:45:240 (285240|6,285240|4) - This one is somehow strange for me. It's literally same like 04:48:063 - and 04:50:887 - .. Please delete a note here to keep it consistent.
little selfchange
Ok, that's really the last thing.
Sorry not sorry for nazi mod. Hehe.

Call me back
others are fixed
Feerum
Alright, after a Ton of minor fixes and consistency issues.. here we go finally

Qualified
Kamikaze
Grats!
Flask
wa! dbgod
Spy
Is there any BMS ★9dan player coming to teach how to mapping
ggsnipess
Is a ☆06dan player coming to teach how to chart properly?
Elementaires


lol
Jinjin
Damn I wish the alternating scratch issue gets solved quickly so that I won't have too many problems playing that scratch jack section. Very solid map otherwise, good job ^^
stupud man

iJinjin wrote:

Damn I wish the alternating scratch issue gets solved quickly so that I won't have too many problems playing that scratch jack section. Very solid map otherwise, good job ^^
Fully agreed.

I really like everything about this map, except for one part. I commented on this part earlier, and I'm now going to remove that since I think that comment wasn't well thought out. However, that doesn't change my opinion on the part I commented on.

[Bass Kick]
02:16:034 (136034|0) -
02:20:269 (140269|0) -

I highly recommend that the scratches between and including these two notes be changed to a simple stair pattern, or any other pattern where the sudden change in note spacing is easier for people to read or hit.
For example:

I'm not saying you should use this set of notes in this specific order, but try to find some way to remove that one scratch section, since it seems like many people playing this map have problems playing that section.

I wouldn't mind these scratches at all if doublescratching for this game actually worked. I know you really want to keep these patterns really badly, but until a workaround is found for the doublescratching, I personally don't think this is rankable.

EDIT: One more thing, please please please respond. If you aren't going to change this I'd like to know why. Just because the scratches follow the song doesn't mean it's a good pattern. The pattern I suggested also follows the song, is easier to read, and reflects its difficulty as rated by osu.

PS: I'm going to remove my comment I left earlier, it shouldn't have been posted in the first place. I don't want to start drama as much as the next person here, since right now, this doesn't help.
Topic Starter
[Emiria]
im really really really tired to talk with u again and again.
i wont change that part. the technical problem is not my issue.i have already say it again and again to u in other map
it is unmeaningness to disscuss with u about this.problem
i dont know why u always do this kind of thing in almost every my 8k map
i cant map achieve everyones standard
MeowPaz
victor is truly hardwork think about this part.then became this the best.
you cant only use your finger talk about it.or thinking
stupud man

victorica_db wrote:

i wont change that part. the technical problem is not my issue.i have already say it again and again to u in other map
Yes it is, you mapped the poor pattern in the first place. Maybe you meant something else when you said this and it got lost in translation, but if you mean what this part says then, yes it's your issue.

victorica_db wrote:

it is unmeaningness to disscuss with u about this.problem
You're right in a way. There needs to be more discussion than just between me and you. Other people should be giving their input here.

victorica_db wrote:

i dont know why u always do this kind of thing in almost every my 8k map
Because the majority of your maps have the same problem with scratches. I'm just trying to get the point across. Right now we're just at a standoff. Neither one of us is going to change our minds, we can only really listen to whatever QAT has to say about it. If QAT is ok with the scratches, so be it, but seeing as how QAT denied Gekkou Ranbu for the scratches, I wouldn't be surprised if the same situation showed up here.

MeowPaz wrote:

victor is truly hardwork think about this part.then became this the best.
you cant only use your finger talk about it.or thinking
It's not just the mapper's opinion that needs to be going into a ranked map. If a mapper just wanted his map to remain the way it was without listening to any feedback on it, osumania would have much worse maps being ranked. I can't really understand this post well, so hopefully I responded to what you were trying to say.
ggsnipess
you want it to go for ranking right? then look through why he said these patterns don't work, you guys just circlejerking like idiots won't change the fact the game is terrible at handling dual scratching, if a high ranker player says they can't enjoy/can't play it properly due to limitations, then actually listen and make changes or say why you don't want to change instead of thinking you can get away with shit.
Topic Starter
[Emiria]
this is the last time.i talk with u.its just waste of time
in my opinion i lovethat part
if it have rc problem,it will be dqed.if it dqed by qats own opinion on my map,i also cant say anything
ok thats all
bye
Sandalphon

peroperoplayer wrote:

you want it to go for ranking right? then look through why he said these patterns don't work, you guys just circlejerking like idiots won't change the fact the game is terrible at handling dual scratching, if a high ranker player says they can't enjoy/can't play it properly due to limitations, then actually listen and make changes or say why you don't want to change instead of thinking you can get away with shit.
since when the map quality decide by the high rank player
xch00F

SanadaYukimura wrote:

since when the map quality decide by the high rank player
map quality is decided generally by players who are able to hit patterns correctly and competently. they know what patterns are good, what patterns are bad, what patterns are fun, what patterns are not fun. I think it would make sense that a player who knows patterns, you know, knows patterns
ggsnipess

SanadaYukimura wrote:

since when the map quality decide by the high rank player
since this game actually got a decently sized community that seems to slip by you guys.



*Looks at The Limit Does Not Exist*
ggsnipess

Spy wrote:

snip
Think about it like this, the game can't do shit properly, you have to cater to the game to do shit properly, and you are responsible for it, if you can't fulfill it, then don't bother with making it in the first place. Honestly, how hard is it to explain with google translate. Either make the mods, or explain properly why the fuck you even use those patterns in a game that barely supports those patterns.
Blocko
So, judging from the responses this map has been getting, I'd say it's been pretty mixed. Some agree to what the mapper has put on there, some disagree but offer a compromise to the pattern, and some completely disagree.

Let me just say that the whole point of the qualification process is to get some feedback from the community before sending a map off to the ranked section. Any suggestion or feedback while a map is qualified is not to 'attack' the mapper or the map by any means, but rather to find a general agreement from the community as to how a certain section should be mapped.

I'd like to point out that the dual-scratch mechanic does work in mania, but not very well. Depending on your key bindings, you'd have to let go of the first scratch key before pressing the second one. This doesn't allow presses to overlap when it should, similar to how standard mode allows key/mouse presses to overlap. Because of this mechanic not working well, it sparked some controversy as to how the scratch lane should be used in a song.

Also, a bug in a game should not deter a map's rankability, but a push for a fix on that bug is definitely more appropriate.

That being said, I'd say the way the scratch lane is used in this section 02:16:034 - is alright. It's not really brutal as it doesn't have any patterns aside from the jackhammers at the scratch lane. A stair pattern would be more doable, but the jacks are alright as there aren't any patterns that would distract you from that whole pattern or would make you focus on getting around the buggy scratch mechanic, and it also does a neat job on putting emphasis on the vocal.

I'd really like to know why the mapper disagreed to stupud man's mod, but that's besides the point.

Anyway, thread unlocked. Any suggestions pertaining to the map are more than welcome, but any posts that are off-topic or discourteous will not be tolerated. I'll be watching over this thread for a few days, so let's do our best on being civil to the map and amongst each other.
AncuL
so its a matter of time until peppy *actually* fixes the problem. but what spy said:

Spy wrote:

Is there any BMS ★9dan player coming to teach how to mapping
is brutal and baity. the map itself is pretty decent but any reason which isnt "this is my map" are welcome
Deif
Cleaned a bit the thread. Try to make useful suggestions while the beatmap is still qualified, or don't bother posting in this thread. Keep your quarrels out of here.
Rumia-
may you fly
Kamikaze

Rumia- wrote:

may you fly
We can fly
Sandalphon
surely can
Akasha-
Just fly, then.
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