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osu! World Cup 2015 - Discussion Thread

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Jetzu
Hopefully we're gonna have a good one :-)

Poland, Taiwan and USA looks the strongest but there are few other teams who can make TOP 4.
VnSoul
To the ones that said that Korea's roster is weak have no knowledge at all. Their roster is scary af which was already proven in other tournaments like All star, ocwt, ohc and many more. Cinia, Chiyo, Reimu, Neta, Meltina they are all consistent af especially Neta, Chiyo and Cinia seems to be underrated by many players since they didnt see their tournament performance yet and are just judging by their ranks. Im pretty sure that South Korea will make it very far, they could even win the whole thing.
The underdogs of the tournament will be Austria. Nobody will expect much of them, but they could even crush the high/top seeded teams
Really looking forward to OWC so many strong teams, I wonder how they will do the seeds since imo USA, Germany, South Korea, China, Poland, Taiwan should all be Top seeded
Cubzy
BRASIL HYPE
KevEz
I hope the US gets out in group stages :^)
Mismagius
Hi, my opinion here. I may describe why I think each team is there later.

S TIER (strong title contenders): South Korea, United States, Poland, Germany
A TIER (runner-ups for the championship): China, Netherlands, Taiwan, (Austria?)
B TIER (possible surprises): Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, Norway, Japan, Russia, Sweden, Hong Kong, United Kingdom
C TIER (can go far if they overperform): Argentina, Finland, Lithuania, Thailand, Ukraine, Malaysia, (Italy?), (Mexico?)
D TIER (needs to overperform AND other teams to underperform): Greece, Latvia, New Zealand, Portugal, Singapore, (Philippines?)

hope i'm not underrating/overrating anyone, i'll have a well-written post explaining my opinion later :p
Gigo
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Mismagius

Gigo wrote:

Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
Gigo
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
Jetzu
They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that.
Didn't Japan lose to Sweden last year?

Taiwan got Snow White and Rucker back, both are monsters when it comes to tournament setting, they almost carried TW to a victory in 2013 and I think they can very well do the same or take it step further this year.
sables
Don't forget about Uan guys, he is a veteran as well.
Minhtam

Gigo wrote:

Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.

People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
Alpha_00

Minhtam wrote:

Gigo wrote:

Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.

People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.
Mismagius

Alpha_00 wrote:

Minhtam wrote:

I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.

People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.
It is pretty relevant if we're talking about the exact same players :p
Aka

Gigo wrote:

Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players!
we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)
that just gave me some motivation, anyway. thank you
Xayne

Blue Dragon wrote:

Gigo wrote:

Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
Gigo

Aka wrote:

we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)
that just gave me some motivation, anyway. thank you
I wish you luck, but... I'm afraid motivation alone isn't gonna cut it. I'd love to be proved wrong though.
Nuke-
Lets go for the 4th crown South Korea gogogogogo :)
I'm really looking forward to Cinia's performance
VnSoul
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
Thats quite a bold statement. I would claim that thier roster this year is at at least as strong as last year. Germany's roster last year was pretty much very strong in NoMod/DT , but kinda weak what it came to HR/HD. The roster this year looks a lot more balanced and I somehow have a feeling that they are even stronger this year, but its all up to the performance/consistency of the new players
Mismagius

Xayne wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
Gigo

Blue Dragon wrote:

if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
1. One of their players is rank 250.

2. Rank and skill are two different things (which is something we all should know extremely well by now).
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