2/10Endaris wrote:
By the way, just throwing a thought in even though it won't change anything(I'm sure someone questioned this before).
The bracket-thing encourages versatility and consistency throughout all kinds of gameplay-difficulties.
While I can see why a FL-bracket would be lame I think an EZ-Pool would be interesting as this Game-Mod is indeed based on player skill and yields replicable results for the same player without having to practice the map before a lot.
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Teams to watch out for (a lot of ifs) (These are the Juggernauts)
Poland: Poland has always shown strong with their performance in OWC, last years team was good to get to 2nd place. WWW was most obviously their star player. This year, IF Rafis joins team Poland, Poland will be a force to be reckoned with. Rafis has proved this year that he is one of the best players in osu!standard in 2015. Him combined with WWW is a dream to some polska fans. The other considerations for the other 2 main slots is AmaiHachimitsu (who performed very well last year) and fartonwik. The other players that can sub in will probably be listless and Wilchq. With this team, Poland could finally take a world cup.
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Teams that are questionable:
Germany: There is an uprising of new players in Germany, but I don't think they have what it takes to really go against the skilled players, Cookeasy and Dustice are your best bets.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
UK: UK has some amazing players, Crai, Doomsday, and Tasty Beverage, and possibly jesus1412 are what represent the UK. I've seen Doomsday prove that he is a player to watch out for this year but the team as a whole will probably get out of group stages, but in terms of beating the titans, not a chance.
South Korea: This will probably piss a lot of people off, but South Korea will probably not get too far in Knockout Rounds. Angelism and Hakurei Reimu haven't been on top of everything lately, plus without My Aim Sucks and sayonara-bye
. South Korea has kind of lost it.
Edit: There's so many countries that this post would be too long.
Poland: Poland has always shown strong with their performance in OWC, last years team was good to get to 2nd place. WWW was most obviously their star player. This year, IF Rafis joins team Poland, Poland will be a force to be reckoned with. Rafis has proved this year that he is one of the best players in osu!standard in 2015. Him combined with WWW is a dream to some polska fans. The other considerations for the other 2 main slots is AmaiHachimitsu (who performed very well last year) and fartonwik. The other players that can sub in will probably be listless and Wilchq. With this team, Poland could finally take a world cup.
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Teams that are questionable:
Germany: There is an uprising of new players in Germany, but I don't think they have what it takes to really go against the skilled players, Cookeasy and Dustice are your best bets.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
UK: UK has some amazing players, Crai, Doomsday, and Tasty Beverage, and possibly jesus1412 are what represent the UK. I've seen Doomsday prove that he is a player to watch out for this year but the team as a whole will probably get out of group stages, but in terms of beating the titans, not a chance.
South Korea: This will probably piss a lot of people off, but South Korea will probably not get too far in Knockout Rounds. Angelism and Hakurei Reimu haven't been on top of everything lately, plus without My Aim Sucks and sayonara-bye
. South Korea has kind of lost it.Edit: There's so many countries that this post would be too long.
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oh i missed that completelyNwolf wrote:
Isn't this what you're suggesting (almost)?
Feeling uneasy about this score v2 but who knows, maybe it turns out being great?
Japan doesnt look too strong tbh. Guy,Recia and zeluar said that they wont play(confirmed in their ask,fm) and since rrtyui wont play either Japan star players are already pretty much gone.osuskrub wrote:
Teams to watch out for (a lot of ifs) (These are the Juggernauts)
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
And I found it kinda hilarious what you wrote about Taiwan. Last OWC they almost beat Korea in the semifinals(lost the tiebreaker) and nearly placed 4th place WITHOUT Rucker and hvick and now imagine how strong they are with them(Rucker is still pretty much as consistent as hvick which was shown in other tournaments) I would confidently say that Taiwan will make it to the finals, probably against Poland.
If you want to enable score v2 for the tournament, please either disable the slider accuracy hit window or enable it for non-supporter use so we can practice it. Its a huge change coming into the tournament and people want to be fully prepared for it.
If Small K/Rucker/SnowWhite play Taiwan is the #1 favorite for this owc imo. At least considering that Japan got really weaker. Unless new players to the owc work out and they might, lots of good players in Japan, but they won't be the consistency gods like they used to be though.
I forgot where I read it but peppy wants to push score v2 to beta asap so I think you can expect it on beta soon.plaatinum wrote:
If you want to enable score v2 for the tournament, please either disable the slider accuracy hit window or enable it for non-supporter use so we can practice it. Its a huge change coming into the tournament and people want to be fully prepared for it.
osuskrub wrote:
Teams to watch out for (a lot of ifs) (These are the Juggernauts)
Poland: Poland has always shown strong with their performance in OWC, last years team was good to get to 2nd place. WWW was most obviously their star player. This year, IF Rafis joins team Poland, Poland will be a force to be reckoned with. Rafis has proved this year that he is one of the best players in osu!standard in 2015. Him combined with WWW is a dream to some polska fans. The other considerations for the other 2 main slots is AmaiHachimitsu (who performed very well last year) and fartonwik. The other players that can sub in will probably be listless and Wilchq. With this team, Poland could finally take a world cup.
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Teams that are questionable:
Germany: There is an uprising of new players in Germany, but I don't think they have what it takes to really go against the skilled players, Cookeasy and Dustice are your best bets.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
UK: UK has some amazing players, Crai, Doomsday, and Tasty Beverage, and possibly jesus1412 are what represent the UK. I've seen Doomsday prove that he is a player to watch out for this year but the team as a whole will probably get out of group stages, but in terms of beating the titans, not a chance.
South Korea: This will probably piss a lot of people off, but South Korea will probably not get too far in Knockout Rounds. Angelism and Hakurei Reimu haven't been on top of everything lately, plus without My Aim Sucks and sayonara-bye
Edit: There's so many countries that this post would be too long.
>No U.S. team.
lol
Sliders are pretty rough for scorev2, is this subject to change or are tournament managers adamant on this? It seems a bit weird to change gameplay just before a tournament, and most maps are mapped without slider accuracy in mind (kick sliders are insane to play)
Yes.plaatinum wrote:
If you want to enable score v2 for the tournament, please either disable the slider accuracy hit window or enable it for non-supporter use so we can practice it. Its a huge change coming into the tournament and people want to be fully prepared for it.
And yes.buny wrote:
Sliders are pretty rough for scorev2, is this subject to change or are tournament managers adamant on this? It seems a bit weird to change gameplay just before a tournament, and most maps are mapped without slider accuracy in mind (kick sliders are insane to play)
There shouldn't be so many kickslider populated maps in the first place that are spammed
/me runs
/me runs
I really can see USA take the top3 finish this year, iirc AmaiHachimitsu said he won't play so that's a blow to us.
Japan without Recia, Guy and zeluaR is doomed to fall off the podium and Chinese players look really strong lately (looking at you, team SPD).
I'm calling the top 3 being Poland, China and USA this year. Sorry Korea, but you're not good enough in 2015.
Japan without Recia, Guy and zeluaR is doomed to fall off the podium and Chinese players look really strong lately (looking at you, team SPD).
I'm calling the top 3 being Poland, China and USA this year. Sorry Korea, but you're not good enough in 2015.
Just for people making predictions:
Single player skills =/= tournament performance.
Single player skills =/= tournament performance.
CXu wrote:
Single player skills =/= tournament performance.
I want to see how Brazil does.
Take it with a grain of salt, since I'm not on tournament staff, but you don't. If you are qualified to register, you simply register. That's all.LoGo wrote:
And still completely 0 information, how do even know who registered from our country? (And argument the ones who want to play will register is not the most correct...) 3rd time asking about this and 0 response...
After October 18, the following procedures happen:
- 1. Any player who violated the osu! community rules within the last 12 months is OUT.
2. Any player ranked outside the top 5000 is OUT.
3. The players that are left are then divided into groups based on their countries.
4. If any country has less than 4 players registered, they are OUT.
5. If a country has about 6-8 players registered, the teams for those countries are formed automatically.
6. If any country has more than 8 players registered, Tournament staff will declare one temporary captain for that country, and will give the list of potential candidates to the chosen captain. It would then be up to the captains to talk to the players on those lists to form teams for their countries.
7. If more than 32 countries satisfy the above conditions, a statistical system will determine the top 32 countries. The rest will be filtered.
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I couldn't describe it more accurate. Everyone willing to participate, shall register. Teams get formed post registration phase. Whoever did not press "Sign me up" until the 18. October 2015 will not be able to join or participate at any point.Minhtam wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt, since I'm not on tournament staff, but you don't. If you are qualified to register, you simply register. That's all.LoGo wrote:
And still completely 0 information, how do even know who registered from our country? (And argument the ones who want to play will register is not the most correct...) 3rd time asking about this and 0 response...
After October 18, the following procedures happen:
- 1. Any player who violated the osu! community rules within the last 12 months is OUT.
2. Any player ranked outside the top 5000 is OUT.
3. The players that are left are then divided into groups based on their countries.
4. If any country has less than 4 players registered, they are OUT.
5. If a country has about 6-8 players registered, the teams for those countries are formed automatically.
6. If any country has more than 8 players registered, Tournament staff will declare one temporary captain for that country, and will give the list of potential candidates to the chosen captain. It would then be up to the captains to talk to the players on those lists to form teams for their countries.
7. If more than 32 countries satisfy the above conditions, a statistical system will determine the top 32 countries. The rest will be filtered.
And what if not enough players registered? Some may not be available at the moment? And if no one has contacts, what then ? We don't know who got accepted who didn't, how can we know how to react? Maybe we don't need to find anyone, but maybe we do ? ??
Maybe if we had our own channel at least some kind of communication would appear, i don't find it reasonable to contact every -5k player in our country just because i don't know who got accepted and who didn't...
Maybe if we had our own channel at least some kind of communication would appear, i don't find it reasonable to contact every -5k player in our country just because i don't know who got accepted and who didn't...
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Bad luck? Find them now. make them sign up now. better safe than sorry, huh?
But maybe it's not required ? Why bother people if it's not required? Maybe they have plans, i'll need to disturb someone, make them cancel something because i have no idea if i even play ?Loctav wrote:
Bad luck? Find them now. make them sign up now. better safe than sorry, huh?
Yeah, and then "play with non-existant team" because no one will apear... and make additional issues for streaming/match schedulers etc...
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that's up to your own dedication to decide, I guess. I won't force anyone to play or to sign up. If your country is unable to make enough people sign up, then your slot will be given to an equally strong country that managed to find enough people.
I don't see how you need to know who joins or not in advance. There are either people that want to play or not want to play. The entire team creation process just got moved to the time AFTER registrations, not BEFORE. The rest is exact the same.
I don't see how you need to know who joins or not in advance. There are either people that want to play or not want to play. The entire team creation process just got moved to the time AFTER registrations, not BEFORE. The rest is exact the same.
Last year we had a really good situation when half of the team got disqualified and 2 of the players were "breaking" rules ( even had proof of what and why it was like that ), but of course teams were already formed and no one really cared after...
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If they stopped violating the rules, they can happily participate. Also you were asked for providing substitutes.
Now, you can already provide 500 substitutes (exaggerated number) without worrying too much that your team will entirely be disbanded.
Now, you can already provide 500 substitutes (exaggerated number) without worrying too much that your team will entirely be disbanded.
Apparently traveling and staying at friends house is violating rules but oh well, it seems quality has improved..., won't even try to bother anymore.
I could give you an easy example, why do you need to know which teams will play on the OWC before streaming them? Just stream when players are ready, any time, any country
I could give you an easy example, why do you need to know which teams will play on the OWC before streaming them? Just stream when players are ready, any time, any country
Topic Starter
Get over it. Staying at someone's house was never a reason to barell someone out. Stop spreading this false information. I won't discuss this any further. Either join or not. Accept the conditions or not. I am sure there are other people more than happy to join this competition. If you are so salty about everything, better leave the spot for people who actually enjoy these things.
So excited! Wait for me in 6 year or so and I'll try too 
@LoGo: Ask them to sign up, simple as that. They have to log in on jizz, and click a button.
Don't need them? Cool, they don't need to make room in their schedule to play. Need them? Use them.
Find out later that they can't participate because they're busy? Forfeit the spot to another country.
The situation is exactly the same as before: you can do everything in the exact same order as before, except the pool of users that are willing to participate in the tournament will be in a convenient list rather than having to ask them individually.
Don't need them? Cool, they don't need to make room in their schedule to play. Need them? Use them.
Find out later that they can't participate because they're busy? Forfeit the spot to another country.
The situation is exactly the same as before: you can do everything in the exact same order as before, except the pool of users that are willing to participate in the tournament will be in a convenient list rather than having to ask them individually.
Well, you suggest to ask them anyway, so there is no change in that... And i'm talking about quality here, find me any sport where you get informed about your team day AFTER registration has ended. Why move towards worse quality, i'm pretty sure it's not that complicated to inform player if he is allowed to play, what his current team is.. If that is complicated, why make such system?CXu wrote:
@LoGo: Ask them to sign up, simple as that. They have to log in on jizz, and click a button.
Don't need them? Cool, they don't need to make room in their schedule to play. Need them? Use them.
Find out later that they can't participate because they're busy? Forfeit the spot to another country.
The situation is exactly the same as before: you can do everything in the exact same order as before, except the pool of users that are willing to participate in the tournament will be in a convenient list rather than having to ask them individually.
Just adding red/green square or simple list of registered players from your country in that "jizz" website would be enough.
Do you really want to tell me, that you are happy to get informed AFTER the date of registration that you are either allowed or not allowed to play? Or with who you even are playing ?
You would have to ask them regardless, if you wanted them to play, or if you wanted them to step in for someone not allowed to play.
You also don't get informed about your team the day after registration. You get a list of players from which you make your team from.
So, have every qualifying player sign up, then after the registration for the tournament (you, as an individual, is registering as a candidate to participate), the temporary captain can pick out the team that has the best chance to win (by discussing this with the rest of their country).
I'm not sure how this worsens the quality of the team. In the end, you end up with the strongest players for your country, that have not broken any rules.
Could they make a list of registered players? Yes. Do you need to know that right now? Not really. In what way does it make your potential team worse?
You also don't get informed about your team the day after registration. You get a list of players from which you make your team from.
So, have every qualifying player sign up, then after the registration for the tournament (you, as an individual, is registering as a candidate to participate), the temporary captain can pick out the team that has the best chance to win (by discussing this with the rest of their country).
I'm not sure how this worsens the quality of the team. In the end, you end up with the strongest players for your country, that have not broken any rules.
Could they make a list of registered players? Yes. Do you need to know that right now? Not really. In what way does it make your potential team worse?
As counterintuitive as this may sound, it's actually better for the captains this way due to the possibility that players aren't joining. The captains can't organize a team now only to find that some of their star players haven't signed up yet or were forbidden from entering - when it comes time to pick a team, they'll only have players that they can count on, with no unexpected surprises forcing them to scramble together a backup team.