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The thing is though I can hardly imagine a game where deadbeat, Tasha, and ztrot aren't commentatingYeah, deadbeat is my favourite
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This happens in every online game tournament, there is one side that wants an experienced, insightful caster (i.e. merlini), and then there is another with what is known as a "hype" caster (i.e. tobiwan).
Players that prefer more game-experienced casters tend to be players that are veteran at the game already, whereas more casual or new players lean towards hype casters. It's logical to pick hype casters over experienced casters, because hype caters more towards the newer players. The problem is that by taking a look at the caster roster for this year, it's obvious that the participating casters aren't that great at the game they're going to commentate
I don't think anybody actually minds the casters, but they would prefer an additional game-experienced caster, so that the commentating will cater both sides of the spectrum rather than newer/casual players.
Just my 2c but I hope you take this post into consideration ztrot, and have an additional caster that leans towards game-experience rather than hype
Players that prefer more game-experienced casters tend to be players that are veteran at the game already, whereas more casual or new players lean towards hype casters. It's logical to pick hype casters over experienced casters, because hype caters more towards the newer players. The problem is that by taking a look at the caster roster for this year, it's obvious that the participating casters aren't that great at the game they're going to commentate
I don't think anybody actually minds the casters, but they would prefer an additional game-experienced caster, so that the commentating will cater both sides of the spectrum rather than newer/casual players.
Just my 2c but I hope you take this post into consideration ztrot, and have an additional caster that leans towards game-experience rather than hype
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It is weird for me to see that you think they all have no game experience. They might not be in the top ranks, but you don't need to be there to understand this game. Don't make it look like osu! is wicked rocket science. Sure there are things that require some sort of knowledge, but you don't need to be a top player to understand what is going on always. After all, it's clicking circles.
ztrot is here since the beginning of osu!, deadbeat is here almost as long as I am. Tasha is a well rounded person, knowing multiple game modes perfectly fine.
I think this argument is a bit exaggerated. Calling the current roster inexperienced in this game is a bit insulting, even. I mean, they are all osu! veterans, too. They just never bothered rushing and farming to the top ranks. Yet they are here forever and have very well an idea what this game is about and how it works on multiple levels.
Sure there needs to be one or two person who actually can play the maps for example. To transmit the true feeling of the picked maps. Or to transmit the feeling during the matches. But that's about it.
ztrot is here since the beginning of osu!, deadbeat is here almost as long as I am. Tasha is a well rounded person, knowing multiple game modes perfectly fine.
I think this argument is a bit exaggerated. Calling the current roster inexperienced in this game is a bit insulting, even. I mean, they are all osu! veterans, too. They just never bothered rushing and farming to the top ranks. Yet they are here forever and have very well an idea what this game is about and how it works on multiple levels.
Sure there needs to be one or two person who actually can play the maps for example. To transmit the true feeling of the picked maps. Or to transmit the feeling during the matches. But that's about it.
I'm sure having these people is what everyone is talking aboutLoctav wrote:
Sure there needs to be one or two person who actually can play the maps for example. To transmit the true feeling of the picked maps. Or to transmit the feeling during the matches. But that's about it.
As far as inexperience goes, I don't think people think they're inexperienced about the game overall, but there are some things that you can't really tell without actually playing the map. It's not often, but sometimes a pattern may feel really weird to play unless you're at a skill level where you can realistically FC the pattern most of the time. Since then you're basing the awkwardness off of you executing it wrong, rather than executing it right.
Oh well, if finding more dedicated people isn't going to work out, I guess having some good players to give insight to the commentators prior to the weekends would be nice. Seeing as you mention that you need such people already, I'm sure you're already on that though. Maybe you could also "interview" some teams and what their players feel about particular maps in the mapset? Would be good knowledge in general, as well as during said player/teams match as you would know more about where they in particular feel they can't do well etc.
While this is true, someone under 10k couldn't talk about how difficult hitting a certain pattern out of their skill range is. What is insanely difficult to them may be manageable or even easy to someone of a higher rank. On the same note, they couldn't talk about the stress or worries while being in a tournament like the OWC as they have never experienced it.Loctav wrote:
It is weird for me to see that you think they all have no game experience. They might not be in the top ranks, but you don't need to be there to understand this game. Don't make it look like osu! is wicked rocket science. Sure there are things that require some sort of knowledge, but you don't need to be a top player to understand what is going on always. After all, it's clicking circles.
I don't think any of us are trying to suggest that the current commentators are bad at their jobs or should be dropped, but having someone skilled enough to convey things such as what I just listed could help the commentary somewhat. Much like you said here:
Loctav wrote:
Sure there needs to be one or two person who actually can play the maps for example. To transmit the true feeling of the picked maps. Or to transmit the feeling during the matches. But that's about it.
Sign 3 additional commentators and match them as 2-person teams with the already existing ones according to timezone.
that hit exactly on the point, and i do really like fartowniks suggestion, since it is widely common to pair a hype caster with an insight caster. Or even having a third person that can give an insight of the match on the scorescreen, talking about what went wrong, plays that stood out etcLoctav wrote:
Sure there needs to be one or two person who actually can play the maps for example. To transmit the true feeling of the picked maps. Or to transmit the feeling during the matches. But that's about it.
An example would be like in csgo, it is getting very popular to invite pro players to give aftermatch analysis, or even pairing them up with another caster, and the community responds very positively to it
the biggest problem as you stated is finding the dedicated casters, but if the suggested casters in the previous posts are as good as the credit given to them, why not give them a shot? The worst scenario is that you end up with your 3 dedicated casters again, which is the current scenario anyway.
please, do not worry. Not one thing said here is falling on deaf ears I know what the community wants to see and I will make sure it gets something along those lines. But for those asking my personal friends and other members of the community just stop. The choice was given to me to make I have been here since osu! was just starting I'm not going to take it down a path that I feel would impact it badly in terms of commentary I have a core group that can follow ques and stay on time, does this mean I'm not looking to expand? HEAVENS NO so please get the panties out of the bunch and have a little faith. I've got this
Agreed, lets put a little more faith in the guys and see what they come up with. Looking forward to a great owc this year 
Is there any way to get the osu! world cup 2015 banner at a high resolution for wallpaper ?
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Thanks.
Been following the conversation in the background. We totally would like to have more experienced people joining in for analyst style commentating (We did the same thing with 4K MWC if you guys watched, where we brought in Halogen- and Azlynn to commentate, Halogen- being on the winning team for this years 4K MWC)
While I feel some of the comments about our ability to play the game are unwarranted (Took me 2 hours to climb 1500 ranks yesterday on a whim), I do understand the need of having a highly skilled player that understands how to give analytic commentary, as despite us being able to tell the difficulty of the maps we can't speak from experience on them.
Just trust that we're listening to you all. We want the commentary to be enjoyable for everyone and will do our best to do so.
Also yeah... any of you guys that have tried to bribe ztrot or bug his friends to get into commentary. Know you've basically ruined your own chances by doing so.
While I feel some of the comments about our ability to play the game are unwarranted (Took me 2 hours to climb 1500 ranks yesterday on a whim), I do understand the need of having a highly skilled player that understands how to give analytic commentary, as despite us being able to tell the difficulty of the maps we can't speak from experience on them.
Just trust that we're listening to you all. We want the commentary to be enjoyable for everyone and will do our best to do so.
Also yeah... any of you guys that have tried to bribe ztrot or bug his friends to get into commentary. Know you've basically ruined your own chances by doing so.
I've played in three different world cups for taiko. We placed 4th in 2013, were disqualified due to absent players in 2014 in bracket stage, and ended 7/8th in 2015. I am FULLY aware of the stress players are under in a world cup match. Are you?Minifrij wrote:
On the same note, they couldn't talk about the stress or worries while being in a tournament like the OWC as they have never experienced it.
long post ahead probably
Having commentated in the osu! world cup for several years now, I guess I can share my opinion on the meat of what's been discussed so far in the thread, as well as what I agreed and disagreed on.
I'll start with the preferred style of casting. This is common in e-sports and, hell, regular sports, you have 2 or 3 people casting a game, but they fill different roles. One of them commentates the game at hand, how the players are doing, the score difference, as well as get loud and excited when needed. You'll also need to come up with catchy one-liners and classic sentences that people will throw back at you at every single opportunity. This is play-by-play casting.
Then there's the quiet one, never really gets too excited, this person is here to analyze the games, the maps, how they're going to work between each team, what each player in the game is strong or weak at, basically anything relating to the inner workings of the game. That's your color commentator. He'll try to get in between two of the play-by-play commentator's sentences and give off some interesting insight about the situation at hand. He's also your go-to guy to debrief and analyze between the games, with the play-by-play asking the questions.
This will come as no surprise, but I am not a color commentator, despite the name. I very much thrive in speaking loudly and incoherently about the lights showing up on my screen and having people feel the excitement through my incessant yelling. Jokes aside, that's what I do best. Although if you've heard my type of casting, there's something that probably has annoyed you before and was hinted at earlier; how I cut off everyone. Now, I have to say that as a play-by-play, that can't be helped - if you're having a discussion about the game and all of a sudden one of the teams completely tilts and breaks combo repeatedly, you have to take control and start the play-by-play again. Cutting off people is necessary if you're describing the action. Now, I know I also cut people off at unnecessary moments - That's just me being a dick, but I don't do it on purpose.
Okay, I do it on purpose sometimes, to annoy ztrot. Sure.
The next bit I wanted to talk about is the subject of tournament experience and how good you are as a player. Now, this can be proven elsewhere again (esports, real sports, yadda yadda) but a play-by-play commentator absolutely does not have to have any deep knowledge of the game. I'll take an example in League of Legends since I know the esports scene fairly well, half of the casters in the western regions are not pro gamers. When they stream playing the game they are completely average at it. But they've been around the game for long enough to be able to call the action well without mistakes. Same goes here. Circles get clicked. It's not that hard to describe.
Now the colour commentator thrives on having experience. He loves bringing his knowledge as a former pro. He can notice everything the play-by-play and most of the time, the viewer as well overlook and brings it under the spotlights. I know for a fact that when I casted with Raiku I had immense synergy with him because it was so natural and simple to discuss the maps, the players, their strength and weaknesses, things like handling stress when you're playing, etc. Things that you would only know through extensive knowledge and game skill.
Finally, and this is gonna fondle some robinsons, I have to bring up the issue of "reliability", as it is called. It's been brought up to me countless times behind the scenes. And I have to come clean, I was not the best person when it came to respecting schedules. I was often late, sometimes absent, sometimes I just couldn't cast any of the games during the week-end, and sometimes my voice would get shot. After getting a stern talking-to (this was prior to OWC 2014) I promised that I would do anything in my power to show up to the games on time, cover as many of them as possible on reasonable hours, and if I had to miss any games, warn people in advance so an alternative could be found. Now, I'm sure the people who keep track of attendance will love to prove me wrong on this, but I remember doing a pretty bang-up job, at least in the OWC. The problem wasn't covering the games. I actually started getting blamed for not showing up for enough games towards the end of tournaments. The reason for that is, as you may know, our asian demographic is quite skilled at this game -- and timezones exist. Which frequently meant I was supposed to get up in the middle of the night to cast a game. And, well, that's just not an expectation I could meet. I bailed after the Taiko World Cup, which had EVEN MORE games at inconvenient times, and I guess that was the end of that.
Now, I'm sure I'll get the argument that some people do pull it off - and they pull it off well (s/o to my main man ztrot), but I cannot help but feel like requesting for 24h availability is much too demanding. Especially for play-by-play commentating. You are never going to pull off your best if you have to force yourself out of a night's rest just to catch a game to cast -- You're never gonna be at 100%. I've been there and I've seen the people who do that regularly and I am adamant on this. If you're expecting someone to be on time and fill out the best they can the matches for the day, that's perfectly fine -- the opposite would be suspect. But expecting a commentator to be available and ready to cast at any time from Friday to Monday is just unreasonable. You're probably losing out on a plethora of talented people who would be ecstatic to perform on stage if they weren't bound to a few hours a day. You need different people to fill different timezones. Once again, going back to esports with League of Legends, where casters switch every 3 matches in general. Even with a relaxed schedule like that, casters have had voice issues (i've had my share of them); PiraTechnics, a recent addition to the League of Legends casters was unable to attend its world championship because of it. Montecristo, who casts the Korean league, has had the same issue (although he has a much more stacked schedule). Exerting your voice without restraint over long periods of time will ruin your health, don't take it lightly.
Yeah. I'm not exactly sure what the point of that post was, I guess it's alright insight from someone who's been in the ropes of this for a long time.
And since I'm probably not going to bother to get in game and I know he's around and reading this thread, I might as well. So yeah ztrot I don't know what the sitch is cause I was obviously shown the door earlier in the thread, but if you have a different opinion and feel like having me on for old times' sake i'll be around during the weekends, just hit me up with a match that's in a reasonable time frame and we can bring out all the KFC memes. 👌
Having commentated in the osu! world cup for several years now, I guess I can share my opinion on the meat of what's been discussed so far in the thread, as well as what I agreed and disagreed on.
I'll start with the preferred style of casting. This is common in e-sports and, hell, regular sports, you have 2 or 3 people casting a game, but they fill different roles. One of them commentates the game at hand, how the players are doing, the score difference, as well as get loud and excited when needed. You'll also need to come up with catchy one-liners and classic sentences that people will throw back at you at every single opportunity. This is play-by-play casting.
Then there's the quiet one, never really gets too excited, this person is here to analyze the games, the maps, how they're going to work between each team, what each player in the game is strong or weak at, basically anything relating to the inner workings of the game. That's your color commentator. He'll try to get in between two of the play-by-play commentator's sentences and give off some interesting insight about the situation at hand. He's also your go-to guy to debrief and analyze between the games, with the play-by-play asking the questions.
This will come as no surprise, but I am not a color commentator, despite the name. I very much thrive in speaking loudly and incoherently about the lights showing up on my screen and having people feel the excitement through my incessant yelling. Jokes aside, that's what I do best. Although if you've heard my type of casting, there's something that probably has annoyed you before and was hinted at earlier; how I cut off everyone. Now, I have to say that as a play-by-play, that can't be helped - if you're having a discussion about the game and all of a sudden one of the teams completely tilts and breaks combo repeatedly, you have to take control and start the play-by-play again. Cutting off people is necessary if you're describing the action. Now, I know I also cut people off at unnecessary moments - That's just me being a dick, but I don't do it on purpose.
Okay, I do it on purpose sometimes, to annoy ztrot. Sure.
The next bit I wanted to talk about is the subject of tournament experience and how good you are as a player. Now, this can be proven elsewhere again (esports, real sports, yadda yadda) but a play-by-play commentator absolutely does not have to have any deep knowledge of the game. I'll take an example in League of Legends since I know the esports scene fairly well, half of the casters in the western regions are not pro gamers. When they stream playing the game they are completely average at it. But they've been around the game for long enough to be able to call the action well without mistakes. Same goes here. Circles get clicked. It's not that hard to describe.
Now the colour commentator thrives on having experience. He loves bringing his knowledge as a former pro. He can notice everything the play-by-play and most of the time, the viewer as well overlook and brings it under the spotlights. I know for a fact that when I casted with Raiku I had immense synergy with him because it was so natural and simple to discuss the maps, the players, their strength and weaknesses, things like handling stress when you're playing, etc. Things that you would only know through extensive knowledge and game skill.
Finally, and this is gonna fondle some robinsons, I have to bring up the issue of "reliability", as it is called. It's been brought up to me countless times behind the scenes. And I have to come clean, I was not the best person when it came to respecting schedules. I was often late, sometimes absent, sometimes I just couldn't cast any of the games during the week-end, and sometimes my voice would get shot. After getting a stern talking-to (this was prior to OWC 2014) I promised that I would do anything in my power to show up to the games on time, cover as many of them as possible on reasonable hours, and if I had to miss any games, warn people in advance so an alternative could be found. Now, I'm sure the people who keep track of attendance will love to prove me wrong on this, but I remember doing a pretty bang-up job, at least in the OWC. The problem wasn't covering the games. I actually started getting blamed for not showing up for enough games towards the end of tournaments. The reason for that is, as you may know, our asian demographic is quite skilled at this game -- and timezones exist. Which frequently meant I was supposed to get up in the middle of the night to cast a game. And, well, that's just not an expectation I could meet. I bailed after the Taiko World Cup, which had EVEN MORE games at inconvenient times, and I guess that was the end of that.
Now, I'm sure I'll get the argument that some people do pull it off - and they pull it off well (s/o to my main man ztrot), but I cannot help but feel like requesting for 24h availability is much too demanding. Especially for play-by-play commentating. You are never going to pull off your best if you have to force yourself out of a night's rest just to catch a game to cast -- You're never gonna be at 100%. I've been there and I've seen the people who do that regularly and I am adamant on this. If you're expecting someone to be on time and fill out the best they can the matches for the day, that's perfectly fine -- the opposite would be suspect. But expecting a commentator to be available and ready to cast at any time from Friday to Monday is just unreasonable. You're probably losing out on a plethora of talented people who would be ecstatic to perform on stage if they weren't bound to a few hours a day. You need different people to fill different timezones. Once again, going back to esports with League of Legends, where casters switch every 3 matches in general. Even with a relaxed schedule like that, casters have had voice issues (i've had my share of them); PiraTechnics, a recent addition to the League of Legends casters was unable to attend its world championship because of it. Montecristo, who casts the Korean league, has had the same issue (although he has a much more stacked schedule). Exerting your voice without restraint over long periods of time will ruin your health, don't take it lightly.
Yeah. I'm not exactly sure what the point of that post was, I guess it's alright insight from someone who's been in the ropes of this for a long time.
And since I'm probably not going to bother to get in game and I know he's around and reading this thread, I might as well. So yeah ztrot I don't know what the sitch is cause I was obviously shown the door earlier in the thread, but if you have a different opinion and feel like having me on for old times' sake i'll be around during the weekends, just hit me up with a match that's in a reasonable time frame and we can bring out all the KFC memes. 👌
Please take Color, kthanksbye. No really, he was the favorite caster for lots of people, me for sure. If you could sort out the timezone issues as he said, I'm pretty sure he would be there every time you want him to (if not I will shrek him myself) and we could once again enjoy a great cast from this already experienced man. There is really no need to stretch people to the maximum of their availability, they have lives themselves and I'm pretty sure the osu! casters (even if paid for what they're doing) can not sacrifice everything to be there 24/7, especially after a hard day of casting already. Considering that there was only few casters available last year (4?) this really is an easy-to-fix issue by simply raising the amount to 6, maybe 7 casters from as broad timezone margin as possible.
Wait is mr color not commentating this year? Because he had to be the best caster out of the whole casting team last OWC and the reason that made me stay watching even after I got permabanned from chat because of the happystick shenanigans.
This is how it's done in pretty much any sports show.fartownik wrote:
Sign 3 additional commentators and match them as 2-person teams with the already existing ones according to timezone.
One guy being "main" commentator (like the one who tells the action of a match) and one supporting who is usually an expert in a given category (e.g. David Beckham co-commentating a football match).
Let's hope there won't be bancho related player drops this year (no I am not talking about when players used skype)
Last year was a disaster because of that
Last year was a disaster because of that
I thought the bancho drops were 2 owcs ago, and ddos problems were last owc
or was it bancho being ddos'd? ugh I can't even remember that far
or was it bancho being ddos'd? ugh I can't even remember that far
I mean the cases when bancho dropped various players during the match/right before the mp results screen due to some problems on the osu! client/bancho side
It's just that recently I've played in another tourney and got kicked to the main menu out of the blue (my connection was fine)
I just want to mention the problem before it's too late
It's just that recently I've played in another tourney and got kicked to the main menu out of the blue (my connection was fine)
I just want to mention the problem before it's too late
Absolute recipe for disaster. Why aren't countries allowed to choose their own captain in the first place and have them create their desired team.
1) Who's to stop random players claiming themselves as captains and registering teams?YodaSnipe wrote:
Absolute recipe for disaster. Why aren't countries allowed to choose their own captain in the first place and have them create their desired team.
2) They are (ideally) going to pick people who will make the most reliable captain. Attempting to avoid favoritism in team member picks, and instead pick the best players.
3) Loctav has already said the captaincy can be passed off to another player.
4) Countries can't really pick a captain, instead it is a select bunch of players picking the captain.
5) What if the captain is not allowed to play due to breaking rules?
I don't see why you think this is so bad, honestly it's probably the fairest way to go about selecting teams. If countries have already created the teams before-hand, whoever is selected as captain can just make that the team.
DDOS was 2 years ago, that's when we had the secondary bancho server.buny wrote:
I thought the bancho drops were 2 owcs ago, and ddos problems were last owc
or was it bancho being ddos'd? ugh I can't even remember that far
Bauxe wrote:
1) Who's to stop random players claiming themselves as captains and registering teams?
2) They are (ideally) going to pick people who will make the most reliable captain. Attempting to avoid favoritism in team member picks, and instead pick the best players.
3) Loctav has already said the captaincy can be passed off to another player.
4) Countries can't really pick a captain, instead it is a select bunch of players picking the captain.
5) What if the captain is not allowed to play due to breaking rules?
I don't see why you think this is so bad, honestly it's probably the fairest way to go about selecting teams. If countries have already created the teams before-hand, whoever is selected as captain can just make that the team.
1) In Canada there's never been this issue. I don't remember it ever being an issue, and if it was it was dealt with.
2) A country doesn't need help choosing its captain.
3) So a random captain is chosen, then said captain (who may not be the best captain) chooses a team (of players that may not be the best choices for this tournament). That's a really poorly thought out idea.
4) We've used this method in the past to great success. I can only speak for Canada as a country, but as far as I know we've always been able to come to a consensus on the ideal captain without the need to have one picked for us.
5) Then they will obviously not be allowed in OWC anyway so this point is moot.
I think its unnecessary. It sounds to me like its possible to have a team captain that isn't the right team captain make a team that wasn't the best team or the one that should've been made for this tournament.
it may be unnecessary for Canada, but there was a ton of controversy iirc previous owc with captains and whatnot. A lot of rosters had to be changed too because of players not eligible to play, so this should be tons easier by just forming teams from a list of verified players
I think there were also cases where teams were actually being submitted from two different captains, which caused even more confusion
Personally I'd like to give this new process a try, what's the worst that could happen?
I think there were also cases where teams were actually being submitted from two different captains, which caused even more confusion
Personally I'd like to give this new process a try, what's the worst that could happen?
so long ago ripBauxe wrote:
DDOS was 2 years ago, that's when we had the secondary bancho server.
Okay, then have this be the solution for countries that have these issues and let other Countries that have no issues like these make their own lineups with the proper Captain. The troll potential is far too high if the wrong captain is chosen.buny wrote:
it may be unnecessary for Canada, but there was a ton of controversy iirc previous owc with captains and whatnot. A lot of rosters had to be changed too because of players not eligible to play, so this should be tons easier by just forming teams from a list of verified players
I think there were also cases where teams were actually being submitted from two different captains, which caused even more confusion
Personally I'd like to give this new process a try, what's the worst that could happen?
Is it only possible to sign up for the country you appear to be from in here in the forums? I am not from here, I just live here.
Just want to make sure.
Just want to make sure.
How about this:
As a country (Cananda), decide on what team of eight you want to submit for the tournament. Then, have those eight, and ONLY those eight players register for OWC. At that point, it doesn't matter who they pick as your captain because the only eligible players are players that you have all approved for anyways.
And in the rare case that some random player decides to register without your knowledge, do you really not have the faith that the organizers couldn't pick out that one random and ignore them?
As a country (Cananda), decide on what team of eight you want to submit for the tournament. Then, have those eight, and ONLY those eight players register for OWC. At that point, it doesn't matter who they pick as your captain because the only eligible players are players that you have all approved for anyways.
And in the rare case that some random player decides to register without your knowledge, do you really not have the faith that the organizers couldn't pick out that one random and ignore them?
Fragmenting the way of choosing teams just adds increased confusion.YodaSnipe wrote:
Okay, then have this be the solution for countries that have these issues and let other Countries that have no issues like these make their own lineups with the proper Captain. The troll potential is far too high if the wrong captain is chosen.
If this doesn't work this year, I'm sure they will change next year. But I believe this will be a much better solution.
It worked fine in 3 world cups, it will be fine for OWC as well
It's interesting (actually shocking) the number of people that are backing this. I honestly don't think it is right, but I guess we'll see. Hopefully it all works out in the end.
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You want as many people to sign up from your country as possible. There is the possibility that in your "only those eight players", some get barred out for violating the osu! rules and then you only have 7, 6, maybe even 4. And no, we do not let others sign up after the 18th - if you didnt sign up, but your core team has denied players, you can not ask others, who didn't sign up, to join.the_robot wrote:
How about this:
As a country (Cananda), decide on what team of eight you want to submit for the tournament. Then, have those eight, and ONLY those eight players register for OWC. At that point, it doesn't matter who they pick as your captain because the only eligible players are players that you have all approved for anyways.
And in the rare case that some random player decides to register without your knowledge, do you really not have the faith that the organizers couldn't pick out that one random and ignore them?
So whoever makes efforts to only make a specific team sign up and stop others from signing up will most likely damage themselves, as they will have no list of candidates to substitute possible rejected players with. There are even chances that your "only those eight people" will receive 6 rejections and the entire team has no chance to create itself, either.
So people, make your entire country sign up, if needed. Make your options as widespread as possible, so you can guaranteed go into the world cup with the best team that is foundable.
Any attempt to pre-form teams and only sign up with these 8 are not working out. Experience speaks here. And drama is bound to happen in case someone decides to find that suddenly unfair that they can not roll in anyone else that didn't press "sign me up" during the registration phase.
You have been warned!
If you don't need help, make the chosen one publish the candidate list and discuss it/form the team like you always did. I don't see the issue. No one is stopping you to use your selection method as you did before internally.YodaSnipe wrote:
It's interesting (actually shocking) the number of people that are backing this. I honestly don't think it is right, but I guess we'll see. Hopefully it all works out in the end.
A troll potential only exists if we deliberately pick trolls and idiots to be captains. That won't happen. We know 98% of the people we are dealing with here, so do not make it look like we roll a dice to decide who gets the captain. You can pick your ideal captain however you want. We just pick someone to get in contact to in order to make it happen. Who ends up with the title of the captain and who gets a team member is totally up to you guys.
In past world cups, we gave the last to the decided captains and almost all of them shared the list with the fellow candidates. They discussed in a group who will end up in the team and who will get the captain title at last. The decided captain mailed me their group decision back. Some decided captains did not even end up in the team at all.
As you can see, if you would just not assume too much that everyone but yourself is an asshole that boycotts your team and trust people a bit more, you could be less frustrated and less worried about this entire method.
Note that you can only participate if you are of a osu! global ranking of #5000 or higher and did not violate the osu! community rules in the past 12 months.Just wanna clarify, a few random silences for spamming or inappropriate conversation or whatever doesn't bar you from entering the competition right?
In that case, I apologize for including you in that comment. I should have done some checks before saying that. However, the point still stands for ztrot and deadbeat.Tasha wrote:
I've played in three different world cups for taiko. We placed 4th in 2013, were disqualified due to absent players in 2014 in bracket stage, and ended 7/8th in 2015. I am FULLY aware of the stress players are under in a world cup match. Are you?
Also,
No, but I'm not commentating nor do I have any desire to do so.Tasha wrote:
Are you?
Apologies to bring this up again, just wanted to say that before it became too late to do so.
I really doubt it, else it would eliminate a fairly large portion of the player base. I'm sure that is the last thing we want after last year.plaatinum wrote:
Just wanna clarify, a few random silences for spamming or inappropriate conversation or whatever doesn't bar you from entering the competition right?
I am satisfied.Loctav wrote:
If you don't need help, make the chosen one publish the candidate list and discuss it/form the team like you always did. I don't see the issue. No one is stopping you to use your selection method as you did before internally.
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mmmmhnah. Unless you have like 15 341h silences in a row or being a gigantic dick all over the places, that doesn't matter. That doesn't mean that you shall head out and receive more silences. This is my personal stance on this. A singular silence doesn't matter. Albeit being a known troublemaker might be a different story, but I have never seen a case so far that were refused to participate for a handful of average silences.plaatinum wrote:
Note that you can only participate if you are of a osu! global ranking of #5000 or higher and did not violate the osu! community rules in the past 12 months.Just wanna clarify, a few random silences for spamming or inappropriate conversation or whatever doesn't bar you from entering the competition right?
Anyone?xasuma wrote:
Is it only possible to sign up for the country you appear to be from in here in the forums? I am not from here, I just live here.
Just want to make sure.
I don't know if this has been brought up, but can we potentially have 40 teams (5 in each of the 8 groups for the group stage) for OWC 2016?
I don't see this as a factor at all though.Minifrij wrote:
In that case, I apologize for including you in that comment. I should have done some checks before saying that. However, the point still stands for ztrot and deadbeat.Tasha wrote:
I've played in three different world cups for taiko. We placed 4th in 2013, were disqualified due to absent players in 2014 in bracket stage, and ended 7/8th in 2015. I am FULLY aware of the stress players are under in a world cup match. Are you?
What does this bring to the commentating table? I think people are discussing the wrong points here. The difference between feeling the pressure and just knowing that there's pressure on players is negligible and can be ignored in terms of a commentating stand-point. What are you supposed to say? "Wow, look at these players, the pressure is immense because I know about it."? It's not even worth a debate, you can at most mention that there's pressure, but even that much is obvious by the viewer.
The only thing I can see where experience can help is the thought process of what maps to pick, but even that is something you can figure out yourself without any experience by being able to estimate and quantify a players skill from the current performance and previous performances/general history and player type.
But I find that having commentators from different regions would help out the schedule, that'd be a big plus if it weren't for loctav's argument of reliability which I completely understand as it has happened a few too many times in other tournaments imo.
loliforz nailed it.
ITALIA ITALIA ITA...uhm all best italian players are ripKevEz wrote:
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
This year's groups will be one fierce battleground :3 I can't wait to see.
By the way, just throwing a thought in even though it won't change anything(I'm sure someone questioned this before).
The bracket-thing encourages versatility and consistency throughout all kinds of gameplay-difficulties.
While I can see why a FL-bracket would be lame I think an EZ-Pool would be interesting as this Game-Mod is indeed based on player skill and yields replicable results for the same player without having to practice the map before a lot.
The bracket-thing encourages versatility and consistency throughout all kinds of gameplay-difficulties.
While I can see why a FL-bracket would be lame I think an EZ-Pool would be interesting as this Game-Mod is indeed based on player skill and yields replicable results for the same player without having to practice the map before a lot.
No.Endaris wrote:
By the way, just throwing a thought in even though it won't change anything(I'm sure someone questioned this before).
The bracket-thing encourages versatility and consistency throughout all kinds of gameplay-difficulties.
While I can see why a FL-bracket would be lame I think an EZ-Pool would be interesting as this Game-Mod is indeed based on player skill and yields replicable results for the same player without having to practice the map before a lot.
Forget EZ, mate. Despite the fact that low AR is a challenge, the accuracy window increases, which makes the low AR challenge moot.
So we will get notification about getting in or not at the last day ? :- )
CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADAKevEz wrote:
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
2/10Endaris wrote:
By the way, just throwing a thought in even though it won't change anything(I'm sure someone questioned this before).
The bracket-thing encourages versatility and consistency throughout all kinds of gameplay-difficulties.
While I can see why a FL-bracket would be lame I think an EZ-Pool would be interesting as this Game-Mod is indeed based on player skill and yields replicable results for the same player without having to practice the map before a lot.
Teams to watch out for (a lot of ifs) (These are the Juggernauts)
Poland: Poland has always shown strong with their performance in OWC, last years team was good to get to 2nd place. WWW was most obviously their star player. This year, IF Rafis joins team Poland, Poland will be a force to be reckoned with. Rafis has proved this year that he is one of the best players in osu!standard in 2015. Him combined with WWW is a dream to some polska fans. The other considerations for the other 2 main slots is AmaiHachimitsu (who performed very well last year) and fartonwik. The other players that can sub in will probably be listless and Wilchq. With this team, Poland could finally take a world cup.
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Teams that are questionable:
Germany: There is an uprising of new players in Germany, but I don't think they have what it takes to really go against the skilled players, Cookeasy and Dustice are your best bets.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
UK: UK has some amazing players, Crai, Doomsday, and Tasty Beverage, and possibly jesus1412 are what represent the UK. I've seen Doomsday prove that he is a player to watch out for this year but the team as a whole will probably get out of group stages, but in terms of beating the titans, not a chance.
South Korea: This will probably piss a lot of people off, but South Korea will probably not get too far in Knockout Rounds. Angelism and Hakurei Reimu haven't been on top of everything lately, plus without My Aim Sucks and sayonara-bye
. South Korea has kind of lost it.
Edit: There's so many countries that this post would be too long.
Poland: Poland has always shown strong with their performance in OWC, last years team was good to get to 2nd place. WWW was most obviously their star player. This year, IF Rafis joins team Poland, Poland will be a force to be reckoned with. Rafis has proved this year that he is one of the best players in osu!standard in 2015. Him combined with WWW is a dream to some polska fans. The other considerations for the other 2 main slots is AmaiHachimitsu (who performed very well last year) and fartonwik. The other players that can sub in will probably be listless and Wilchq. With this team, Poland could finally take a world cup.
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Teams that are questionable:
Germany: There is an uprising of new players in Germany, but I don't think they have what it takes to really go against the skilled players, Cookeasy and Dustice are your best bets.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
UK: UK has some amazing players, Crai, Doomsday, and Tasty Beverage, and possibly jesus1412 are what represent the UK. I've seen Doomsday prove that he is a player to watch out for this year but the team as a whole will probably get out of group stages, but in terms of beating the titans, not a chance.
South Korea: This will probably piss a lot of people off, but South Korea will probably not get too far in Knockout Rounds. Angelism and Hakurei Reimu haven't been on top of everything lately, plus without My Aim Sucks and sayonara-bye
. South Korea has kind of lost it.Edit: There's so many countries that this post would be too long.
i cant read
oh i missed that completelyNwolf wrote:
Isn't this what you're suggesting (almost)?
Feeling uneasy about this score v2 but who knows, maybe it turns out being great?
Japan doesnt look too strong tbh. Guy,Recia and zeluar said that they wont play(confirmed in their ask,fm) and since rrtyui wont play either Japan star players are already pretty much gone.osuskrub wrote:
Teams to watch out for (a lot of ifs) (These are the Juggernauts)
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
And I found it kinda hilarious what you wrote about Taiwan. Last OWC they almost beat Korea in the semifinals(lost the tiebreaker) and nearly placed 4th place WITHOUT Rucker and hvick and now imagine how strong they are with them(Rucker is still pretty much as consistent as hvick which was shown in other tournaments) I would confidently say that Taiwan will make it to the finals, probably against Poland.
If you want to enable score v2 for the tournament, please either disable the slider accuracy hit window or enable it for non-supporter use so we can practice it. Its a huge change coming into the tournament and people want to be fully prepared for it.
If Small K/Rucker/SnowWhite play Taiwan is the #1 favorite for this owc imo. At least considering that Japan got really weaker. Unless new players to the owc work out and they might, lots of good players in Japan, but they won't be the consistency gods like they used to be though.
I forgot where I read it but peppy wants to push score v2 to beta asap so I think you can expect it on beta soon.plaatinum wrote:
If you want to enable score v2 for the tournament, please either disable the slider accuracy hit window or enable it for non-supporter use so we can practice it. Its a huge change coming into the tournament and people want to be fully prepared for it.
osuskrub wrote:
Teams to watch out for (a lot of ifs) (These are the Juggernauts)
Poland: Poland has always shown strong with their performance in OWC, last years team was good to get to 2nd place. WWW was most obviously their star player. This year, IF Rafis joins team Poland, Poland will be a force to be reckoned with. Rafis has proved this year that he is one of the best players in osu!standard in 2015. Him combined with WWW is a dream to some polska fans. The other considerations for the other 2 main slots is AmaiHachimitsu (who performed very well last year) and fartonwik. The other players that can sub in will probably be listless and Wilchq. With this team, Poland could finally take a world cup.
Japan: Japan has proved to never fail with their amount of skill. Last year they took 1st place against Poland. This year it's going to be somewhat different for Japan. The original team (Guy, Mercurius, rrtyui, Potofu, Poruteri, Sinch, and serea) is probably going to have to exclude and make some changes. Depending on the new map pool, which I hope is going to be harder, some might not be as skilled as some newcomers to play these maps. In my honest opinion, Recia will be a BIG pick for Japan, he's a very consistent player that can do a LOT of HDHR plays. My next pick for Japan would be moca. moca is a very consistent nomod player, he's very good for nomod consistency and it fits in with the new scoring system that favors accuracy more than combo. My next 2 picks will obviously be Mercurius and Guy, they are the cornerstone of the Japan team and can always be the star player or the backup to the star player, they never seem to fail Japan. IF rrtyui decides he wants to play in the OWC BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY the competition will be amazing. rrtyui has proven time and time again that he is one of the best players in osu!standard, amazing consistency, and can do anything. If rrtyui is not going to be in the OWC, then serea and Potofu are going to be my picks.
Teams that are questionable:
Germany: There is an uprising of new players in Germany, but I don't think they have what it takes to really go against the skilled players, Cookeasy and Dustice are your best bets.
Taiwan: Taiwan has proven to be skilled, but hvick is the only amazing player compared to the top players, I don't think Taiwan won't get past Round of 8 at most.
UK: UK has some amazing players, Crai, Doomsday, and Tasty Beverage, and possibly jesus1412 are what represent the UK. I've seen Doomsday prove that he is a player to watch out for this year but the team as a whole will probably get out of group stages, but in terms of beating the titans, not a chance.
South Korea: This will probably piss a lot of people off, but South Korea will probably not get too far in Knockout Rounds. Angelism and Hakurei Reimu haven't been on top of everything lately, plus without My Aim Sucks and sayonara-bye
Edit: There's so many countries that this post would be too long.
>No U.S. team.
lol
Sliders are pretty rough for scorev2, is this subject to change or are tournament managers adamant on this? It seems a bit weird to change gameplay just before a tournament, and most maps are mapped without slider accuracy in mind (kick sliders are insane to play)
Yes.plaatinum wrote:
If you want to enable score v2 for the tournament, please either disable the slider accuracy hit window or enable it for non-supporter use so we can practice it. Its a huge change coming into the tournament and people want to be fully prepared for it.
And yes.buny wrote:
Sliders are pretty rough for scorev2, is this subject to change or are tournament managers adamant on this? It seems a bit weird to change gameplay just before a tournament, and most maps are mapped without slider accuracy in mind (kick sliders are insane to play)
There shouldn't be so many kickslider populated maps in the first place that are spammed
/me runs
/me runs
I really can see USA take the top3 finish this year, iirc AmaiHachimitsu said he won't play so that's a blow to us.
Japan without Recia, Guy and zeluaR is doomed to fall off the podium and Chinese players look really strong lately (looking at you, team SPD).
I'm calling the top 3 being Poland, China and USA this year. Sorry Korea, but you're not good enough in 2015.
Japan without Recia, Guy and zeluaR is doomed to fall off the podium and Chinese players look really strong lately (looking at you, team SPD).
I'm calling the top 3 being Poland, China and USA this year. Sorry Korea, but you're not good enough in 2015.
Just for people making predictions:
Single player skills =/= tournament performance.
Single player skills =/= tournament performance.
CXu wrote:
Single player skills =/= tournament performance.
I want to see how Brazil does.
Take it with a grain of salt, since I'm not on tournament staff, but you don't. If you are qualified to register, you simply register. That's all.LoGo wrote:
And still completely 0 information, how do even know who registered from our country? (And argument the ones who want to play will register is not the most correct...) 3rd time asking about this and 0 response...
After October 18, the following procedures happen:
- 1. Any player who violated the osu! community rules within the last 12 months is OUT.
2. Any player ranked outside the top 5000 is OUT.
3. The players that are left are then divided into groups based on their countries.
4. If any country has less than 4 players registered, they are OUT.
5. If a country has about 6-8 players registered, the teams for those countries are formed automatically.
6. If any country has more than 8 players registered, Tournament staff will declare one temporary captain for that country, and will give the list of potential candidates to the chosen captain. It would then be up to the captains to talk to the players on those lists to form teams for their countries.
7. If more than 32 countries satisfy the above conditions, a statistical system will determine the top 32 countries. The rest will be filtered.
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I couldn't describe it more accurate. Everyone willing to participate, shall register. Teams get formed post registration phase. Whoever did not press "Sign me up" until the 18. October 2015 will not be able to join or participate at any point.Minhtam wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt, since I'm not on tournament staff, but you don't. If you are qualified to register, you simply register. That's all.LoGo wrote:
And still completely 0 information, how do even know who registered from our country? (And argument the ones who want to play will register is not the most correct...) 3rd time asking about this and 0 response...
After October 18, the following procedures happen:
- 1. Any player who violated the osu! community rules within the last 12 months is OUT.
2. Any player ranked outside the top 5000 is OUT.
3. The players that are left are then divided into groups based on their countries.
4. If any country has less than 4 players registered, they are OUT.
5. If a country has about 6-8 players registered, the teams for those countries are formed automatically.
6. If any country has more than 8 players registered, Tournament staff will declare one temporary captain for that country, and will give the list of potential candidates to the chosen captain. It would then be up to the captains to talk to the players on those lists to form teams for their countries.
7. If more than 32 countries satisfy the above conditions, a statistical system will determine the top 32 countries. The rest will be filtered.
And what if not enough players registered? Some may not be available at the moment? And if no one has contacts, what then ? We don't know who got accepted who didn't, how can we know how to react? Maybe we don't need to find anyone, but maybe we do ? ??
Maybe if we had our own channel at least some kind of communication would appear, i don't find it reasonable to contact every -5k player in our country just because i don't know who got accepted and who didn't...
Maybe if we had our own channel at least some kind of communication would appear, i don't find it reasonable to contact every -5k player in our country just because i don't know who got accepted and who didn't...
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Bad luck? Find them now. make them sign up now. better safe than sorry, huh?
But maybe it's not required ? Why bother people if it's not required? Maybe they have plans, i'll need to disturb someone, make them cancel something because i have no idea if i even play ?Loctav wrote:
Bad luck? Find them now. make them sign up now. better safe than sorry, huh?
Yeah, and then "play with non-existant team" because no one will apear... and make additional issues for streaming/match schedulers etc...
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that's up to your own dedication to decide, I guess. I won't force anyone to play or to sign up. If your country is unable to make enough people sign up, then your slot will be given to an equally strong country that managed to find enough people.
I don't see how you need to know who joins or not in advance. There are either people that want to play or not want to play. The entire team creation process just got moved to the time AFTER registrations, not BEFORE. The rest is exact the same.
I don't see how you need to know who joins or not in advance. There are either people that want to play or not want to play. The entire team creation process just got moved to the time AFTER registrations, not BEFORE. The rest is exact the same.
Last year we had a really good situation when half of the team got disqualified and 2 of the players were "breaking" rules ( even had proof of what and why it was like that ), but of course teams were already formed and no one really cared after...
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If they stopped violating the rules, they can happily participate. Also you were asked for providing substitutes.
Now, you can already provide 500 substitutes (exaggerated number) without worrying too much that your team will entirely be disbanded.
Now, you can already provide 500 substitutes (exaggerated number) without worrying too much that your team will entirely be disbanded.
Apparently traveling and staying at friends house is violating rules but oh well, it seems quality has improved..., won't even try to bother anymore.
I could give you an easy example, why do you need to know which teams will play on the OWC before streaming them? Just stream when players are ready, any time, any country
I could give you an easy example, why do you need to know which teams will play on the OWC before streaming them? Just stream when players are ready, any time, any country
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Get over it. Staying at someone's house was never a reason to barell someone out. Stop spreading this false information. I won't discuss this any further. Either join or not. Accept the conditions or not. I am sure there are other people more than happy to join this competition. If you are so salty about everything, better leave the spot for people who actually enjoy these things.
So excited! Wait for me in 6 year or so and I'll try too 
@LoGo: Ask them to sign up, simple as that. They have to log in on jizz, and click a button.
Don't need them? Cool, they don't need to make room in their schedule to play. Need them? Use them.
Find out later that they can't participate because they're busy? Forfeit the spot to another country.
The situation is exactly the same as before: you can do everything in the exact same order as before, except the pool of users that are willing to participate in the tournament will be in a convenient list rather than having to ask them individually.
Don't need them? Cool, they don't need to make room in their schedule to play. Need them? Use them.
Find out later that they can't participate because they're busy? Forfeit the spot to another country.
The situation is exactly the same as before: you can do everything in the exact same order as before, except the pool of users that are willing to participate in the tournament will be in a convenient list rather than having to ask them individually.
Well, you suggest to ask them anyway, so there is no change in that... And i'm talking about quality here, find me any sport where you get informed about your team day AFTER registration has ended. Why move towards worse quality, i'm pretty sure it's not that complicated to inform player if he is allowed to play, what his current team is.. If that is complicated, why make such system?CXu wrote:
@LoGo: Ask them to sign up, simple as that. They have to log in on jizz, and click a button.
Don't need them? Cool, they don't need to make room in their schedule to play. Need them? Use them.
Find out later that they can't participate because they're busy? Forfeit the spot to another country.
The situation is exactly the same as before: you can do everything in the exact same order as before, except the pool of users that are willing to participate in the tournament will be in a convenient list rather than having to ask them individually.
Just adding red/green square or simple list of registered players from your country in that "jizz" website would be enough.
Do you really want to tell me, that you are happy to get informed AFTER the date of registration that you are either allowed or not allowed to play? Or with who you even are playing ?
You would have to ask them regardless, if you wanted them to play, or if you wanted them to step in for someone not allowed to play.
You also don't get informed about your team the day after registration. You get a list of players from which you make your team from.
So, have every qualifying player sign up, then after the registration for the tournament (you, as an individual, is registering as a candidate to participate), the temporary captain can pick out the team that has the best chance to win (by discussing this with the rest of their country).
I'm not sure how this worsens the quality of the team. In the end, you end up with the strongest players for your country, that have not broken any rules.
Could they make a list of registered players? Yes. Do you need to know that right now? Not really. In what way does it make your potential team worse?
You also don't get informed about your team the day after registration. You get a list of players from which you make your team from.
So, have every qualifying player sign up, then after the registration for the tournament (you, as an individual, is registering as a candidate to participate), the temporary captain can pick out the team that has the best chance to win (by discussing this with the rest of their country).
I'm not sure how this worsens the quality of the team. In the end, you end up with the strongest players for your country, that have not broken any rules.
Could they make a list of registered players? Yes. Do you need to know that right now? Not really. In what way does it make your potential team worse?
As counterintuitive as this may sound, it's actually better for the captains this way due to the possibility that players aren't joining. The captains can't organize a team now only to find that some of their star players haven't signed up yet or were forbidden from entering - when it comes time to pick a team, they'll only have players that they can count on, with no unexpected surprises forcing them to scramble together a backup team.
I'm talking about general quality not team quality, any competent and serious organization informs you about things before so you can be prepared way better.CXu wrote:
You would have to ask them regardless, if you wanted them to play, or if you wanted them to step in for someone not allowed to play.
You also don't get informed about your team the day after registration. You get a list of players from which you make your team from.
So, have every qualifying player sign up, then after the registration for the tournament (you, as an individual, is registering as a candidate to participate), the temporary captain can pick out the team that has the best chance to win (by discussing this with the rest of their country).
I'm not sure how this worsens the quality of the team. In the end, you end up with the strongest players for your country, that have not broken any rules.
Could they make a list of registered players? Yes. Do you need to know that right now? Not really. In what way does it make your potential team worse?
And i'm not talking about having 500 players and then somehow making 1 (8 player) team, my main issue is that i have no idea who is allowed to play, i for example don't understand where is the problem informing a player if he is allowed to play or has done something wrong before it gets to the state "Registration time is over, teams are formed, cya next year" , as with the case that happened to our team last year we couldn't play at all. And contacting support team/person ANYWHERE almost never works fast enough.
@Loctav, "Staying at someone's house was never a reason to barell someone out. Stop spreading this false information."
As far as i know, people or person who responded to that proof those 2 players had, said it was not enough when that proof was the best proof you could ever have... and i assume if that is not enough, it was exactly that case about staying at others house and using same internet connection. (It was a picture of another computer setup, which was taken at random day half year before World Cup...( posted on the twitter ) of course they predicted that they will get disqualified for that and made a fake picture, and if the team/person who checks can't check 2 dates, when picture was posted on the twitter and when that account went online under same IP, then well, i guess i can say bye to this World Cup myself. )
As rules were different before that owc( not sure on that tho but at least you were either banned or playing, not having 1 year restriction from participiating and having 0 warning messages), no one even expected that they may get disqualified like that.
Ok, LoGo, let me help you out.
You are from Latvia. The performance rankings for all players from Latvia can be found here: https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp?s=3&o=1&c=LV
As of today, only the top eight players from Latvia are ranked in the top 5000 worldwide, with the #9 Latvian player ranked in the 7000s. Clearly, that means that if Latvia were to participate with a full team of eight, there's only one possible combination of eight players that can.
I would suggest that you stop complaining and whining to Loctav and start contacting the other seven players right now to ask them to register. Because if you don't, you have zero chance to participate due to lack of players to form a team.
You are from Latvia. The performance rankings for all players from Latvia can be found here: https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp?s=3&o=1&c=LV
As of today, only the top eight players from Latvia are ranked in the top 5000 worldwide, with the #9 Latvian player ranked in the 7000s. Clearly, that means that if Latvia were to participate with a full team of eight, there's only one possible combination of eight players that can.
I would suggest that you stop complaining and whining to Loctav and start contacting the other seven players right now to ask them to register. Because if you don't, you have zero chance to participate due to lack of players to form a team.
My rank is pretty low. But anyways, please read the words. Do not reply and jump to conclusions. I will ignore all posts that have not been answered by this one.
According to current OWC policy if your rank is under 5000, no matter who you are or what position in Osu! hierarchy you are in, you should have no reason to argue, because you won't even be competing. The only way you will be is by cheating, and we all know that you will be banned eventually.
Of course, many people in every e-sport can agree with me that honestly at such high levels, rank shouldn't matter. However, I think that 5000 is pretty lenient considering the number of countries in the world, we can average about 70 players per country. However, for obscure regions, they should be tied together as competition there is limited, and very few players truly are there.
In fact, other e-sport leagues do this very well by grouping most of the South-East Asia countries into a conglomerate region, and leaving the 3 countries in North America by themselves. Although the numbers are truly large in those competitions, I'm considering that peppy and his team forced Osu! to find players within their own region so that international teams are not made up of rank 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8.
But when a country has less than available player/country population ratio, then there will be major problems for those extremely skilled top tier players that cannot find a team. Though, I am sure that peppy will find a way to resolve this situation. It will certainly be disappointing if some in ranks 500 could not play due to lack of player/country ratios.
Another issue that peppy has dealt with is the carrying we have seen in previous OWC. I watched some of those videos, and I understand how it could be a problem. Adjusting a time limit so that people can't set tournaments is a great way to solve stacked teams. However, many players will also agree that time management or "dedication" cannot define one's skill level.
In many cases with leagues outside of osu, a substitute is always filled in until a suitable player can be found. No matter what group stage or finals, either the entire team or part of the team plays. No team should be disallowed, because availability is decided by fanbase.
According to current OWC policy if your rank is under 5000, no matter who you are or what position in Osu! hierarchy you are in, you should have no reason to argue, because you won't even be competing. The only way you will be is by cheating, and we all know that you will be banned eventually.
Of course, many people in every e-sport can agree with me that honestly at such high levels, rank shouldn't matter. However, I think that 5000 is pretty lenient considering the number of countries in the world, we can average about 70 players per country. However, for obscure regions, they should be tied together as competition there is limited, and very few players truly are there.
In fact, other e-sport leagues do this very well by grouping most of the South-East Asia countries into a conglomerate region, and leaving the 3 countries in North America by themselves. Although the numbers are truly large in those competitions, I'm considering that peppy and his team forced Osu! to find players within their own region so that international teams are not made up of rank 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8.
But when a country has less than available player/country population ratio, then there will be major problems for those extremely skilled top tier players that cannot find a team. Though, I am sure that peppy will find a way to resolve this situation. It will certainly be disappointing if some in ranks 500 could not play due to lack of player/country ratios.
Another issue that peppy has dealt with is the carrying we have seen in previous OWC. I watched some of those videos, and I understand how it could be a problem. Adjusting a time limit so that people can't set tournaments is a great way to solve stacked teams. However, many players will also agree that time management or "dedication" cannot define one's skill level.
In many cases with leagues outside of osu, a substitute is always filled in until a suitable player can be found. No matter what group stage or finals, either the entire team or part of the team plays. No team should be disallowed, because availability is decided by fanbase.
SPOILER
And to those who think that the opportunity to play in OWC should be given to the most dedicated or pleasure-seeking "countries."
Why defend the strong, when the weak are shouting? You not only force yourself to a level lower than the weak, but also permanently destroy any semblance to humanity.
Minhtam wrote:
Ok, LoGo, let me help you out.
I would suggest that you stop complaining and whining to Loctav and start contacting the other seven players right now to ask them to register. Because if you don't, you have zero chance to participate due to lack of players to form a team.
You honestly have no idea what world cup actually means. The first OWC was basically formed by dedicated players. To have the sense to post on such a forum already that you will voice your opinions whether or not the community will approve. Please grow up and understand that almost everyone here enjoys a game. If only 200 people in your country love a game, doesn't mean that 2 people from another country don't love it as much as you the 200 do. Actually understand from another point of view before speaking. Yes, I am defending LoGo, but only because his argument is just. Anyone who opposes his argument that defines skill and love based on a game's fanbase only seek to deface and discriminate against minorities. They should never be allowed to voice their opinions that only allow the majority to have any proper opinions, if the majority were based in a certain area. Honestly, just be mature about it, and quit acting like the status quo should be defended.Loctav wrote:
I am sure there are other people more than happy to join this competition. If you are so salty about everything, better leave the spot for people who actually enjoy these things.
Why defend the strong, when the weak are shouting? You not only force yourself to a level lower than the weak, but also permanently destroy any semblance to humanity.
Please guys calm your tits down, let the fingers do the talking, this tourney is just for fun. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I'm going to write inside the quote to make it easier to know what I'm talking about.
What LoGo is talking about is almost a non-issue, as more than 8 people can register as a potential candidate to play in the owc, so saying you don't have time to find substitutes is not true. You have time right now to do so.Korbl wrote:
My rank is pretty low. But anyways, please read the words. Do not reply and jump to conclusions. I will ignore all posts that have not been answered by this one. - You're going to ignore all posts about things that haven't been answered by this post?
According to current OWC policy if your rank is under 5000, no matter who you are or what position in Osu! hierarchy you are in, you should have no reason to argue, because you won't even be competing. The only way you will be is by cheating, and we all know that you will be banned eventually. - I'm not sure where you got that from. People are testing and giving input on score v2 regardless of their rank as we speak.
Of course, many people in every e-sport can agree with me that honestly at such high levels, rank shouldn't matter. However, I think that 5000 is pretty lenient considering the number of countries in the world, we can average about 70 players per country. However, for obscure regions, they should be tied together as competition there is limited, and very few players truly are there. - Yeah, that sucks. It's still a world cup though, as in country vs country. Some countries might not participate in some games during the olympics simply because they don't have enough people to form a team to compete.
In fact, other e-sport leagues do this very well by grouping most of the South-East Asia countries into a conglomerate region, and leaving the 3 countries in North America by themselves. Although the numbers are truly large in those competitions, I'm considering that peppy and his team forced Osu! to find players within their own region so that international teams are not made up of rank 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. - Or simply because it's a world cup. A football team might have people from different countries, but during the world cup, they play for their national team. (Probably. I don't football so idk)
But when a country has less than available player/country population ratio, then there will be major problems for those extremely skilled top tier players that cannot find a team. Though, I am sure that peppy will find a way to resolve this situation. It will certainly be disappointing if some in ranks 500 could not play due to lack of player/country ratios. - Yes. It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.
Another issue that peppy has dealt with is the carrying we have seen in previous OWC. I watched some of those videos, and I understand how it could be a problem. Adjusting a time limit so that people can't set tournaments is a great way to solve stacked teams. However, many players will also agree that time management or "dedication" cannot define one's skill level. - I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. How is carrying relevant to dedication or time management?
In many cases with leagues outside of osu, a substitute is always filled in until a suitable player can be found. No matter what group stage or finals, either the entire team or part of the team plays. No team should be disallowed, because availability is decided by fanbase. - Yes. in OWC you play 4 vs 4. This means that you essentially have 4 substitutes. This also means that a team of 4 people can compete with no substitutes. For any competition, substitutes must be registered beforehand. And "availability is decided by fanbase". Uh? Availability is decided by if you're available at the time or not...SPOILERNo one is trying to oppress or discriminate against the minority. Where do you get that from? What you're talking about has like nothing to do with what LoGo is complaining about in the first place. They want to know if a registered player is allowed to play or not before registration ends, so they can find substitutes if that's the case. Then the issue is solved by finding potential substitutes right now, before the registration ends, because if someone can't play, pick one of the other people who registered. Who knows, someone you thought could play might suddenly have other things to do, and then you'd be screwed if your registered team was already set in stone. The end result is the same though: if the "best" team registered, all you have to do is to pick those players. Any player knows if they have broken any rules or not in the past year, so if they decided to make the "best" team with said player, then I'd suggest picking someone else regardless, as they're most likely lying about it.And to those who think that the opportunity to play in OWC should be given to the most dedicated or pleasure-seeking "countries."Minhtam wrote:
Ok, LoGo, let me help you out.
I would suggest that you stop complaining and whining to Loctav and start contacting the other seven players right now to ask them to register. Because if you don't, you have zero chance to participate due to lack of players to form a team.You honestly have no idea what world cup actually means. The first OWC was basically formed by dedicated players. To have the sense to post on such a forum already that you will voice your opinions whether or not the community will approve. Please grow up and understand that almost everyone here enjoys a game. If only 200 people in your country love a game, doesn't mean that 2 people from another country don't love it as much as you the 200 do. Actually understand from another point of view before speaking. Yes, I am defending LoGo, but only because his argument is just. Anyone who opposes his argument that defines skill and love based on a game's fanbase only seek to deface and discriminate against minorities. They should never be allowed to voice their opinions that only allow the majority to have any proper opinions, if the majority were based in a certain area. Honestly, just be mature about it, and quit acting like the status quo should be defended.Loctav wrote:
I am sure there are other people more than happy to join this competition. If you are so salty about everything, better leave the spot for people who actually enjoy these things.
Why defend the strong, when the weak are shouting? You not only force yourself to a level lower than the weak, but also permanently destroy any semblance to humanity.
I was going to respond to you Korbl, since you directly addressed me in your post, but CXu said what I was going to say and MUCH more. I'm going to leave it at that for now.
How many players may a team consist of?
Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
Idk if there was same question but can i ask if Captain and member list comes out on Oct 19 or more later
it shouldn't be closed,NyaKame wrote:
Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
It may have been bad wording, and meant closing at the start of 18th
Wait until word from staff I guess
Topic Starter
Well no. It should be open again. Our fault! You still have around 14h to register!NyaKame wrote:
Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
Thanks a lot, managed to registerLoctav wrote:
Well no. It should be open again. Our fault! You still have around 14h to register!NyaKame wrote:
Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
Oh, I would like to know about this too please.Neta wrote:
Idk if there was same question but can i ask if Captain and member list comes out on Oct 19 or more later