BlackY vs. Yooh - HAVOX · forum

Timorisu

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2015-09-04T19:19:21+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Donnerstag, 26. Oktober 2017 at 19:41:00

Artist: BlackY vs. Yooh
Title: HAVOX
Source: SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
Tags: sdvx 3 havoc dubstep ktgster leader
BPM: 210
Filesize: 2952kb
Play Time: 02:03
Difficulties Available:

ADVANCED (4 stars, 386 notes)
AMATEUR (2,94 stars, 299 notes)
BASIC (1,79 stars, 159 notes)
BEGINNER (1,24 stars, 87 notes)
EXHAUST (5,03 stars, 493 notes)
HAVOC (7,16 stars, 672 notes)
INFINITE (5,74 stars, 556 notes)
INTERMEDIATE (3,28 stars, 340 notes)
KTGSTER'S GRAVITY (6,21 stars, 743 notes)
LEADER'S MASTER (5,89 stars, 577 notes)
NOVICE (2,22 stars, 174 notes)

Download: BlackY vs. Yooh - HAVOX
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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BEGINNER: Easy
BASIC: Light Normal
NOVICE: Normal
AMATEUR: Light Hard
INTERMEDIATE: Hard
ADVANCED: Light Insane
EXHAUST: Insane
INFINITE: Extra
MASTER: Extra by Leader
GRAVITY: Ultra by ktgster
HAVOC: Ultra by me

Last edited by Timorisu 2017-10-26T17:41:22+00:00, edited 85 times in total.

ktgster

Elite Mapper

483 posts

Joined November 2008

ktgster 2015-10-03T19:05:59+00:00

Hitsounded

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: HAVOX [NOFX].mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 69060
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: None
StackLeniency: 0.2
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 1
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 1203,8060,18352,27488,36638,45781,54924,69781,88067,106352,113210,118924,123488
DistanceSpacing: 1.5
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.3

[Metadata]
Title:HAVOX
TitleUnicode:HAVOX
Artist:BlackY vs. Yooh
ArtistUnicode:BlackY vs. Yooh
Creator:Timorisu
Version:KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
Tags:sdvx 3 havoc dubstep ktgster leader
BeatmapID:776906
BeatmapSetID:352555

[Difficulty]
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CircleSize:5
OverallDifficulty:9
ApproachRate:9.4
SliderMultiplier:1.7
SliderTickRate:1

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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Prismetical

274 posts

Joined October 2015

Prismetical 2015-11-17T14:06:47+00:00

Heya! :3

STARTER is fine.

BEGINNER aswell. (just check distance snap again, two mini mistakes)

BASIC

01:02:060 (1) - slider far too long, make two out of one
01:18:631 (5) - circle
01:39:774 (4) - ^

AMATEUR

01:18:345 (5) - circle
01:18:631 (6) - ^
01:36:631 - exactly the same two circles as above
01:45:774 (1) - circle?
01:54:917 (1) - the end of the slider could look better with the red slider
01:58:345 (1) - too far out of screen

NOVICE

- check distance snap
00:09:203 (1) - probably unrankable
00:23:060 (9) - doesn't go with music
00:38:917 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - half combo
00:43:488 (1,2,3) - ugh... not for a hard diff....
00:48:060 (1,2,3,4) - ^^^^^^^^^^
01:56:631 (1) - new shape, already used before

Conclusion: You probably need to fully rename your diffs because the names are not appropriate for the difficulty of the map.

GOOD LUCK!

Sangzin

628 posts

Joined February 2013

Sangzin 2015-11-29T03:54:17+00:00

Hello! from my modding queue!
[General]

Offset +10?
01:46:345 - Here you should use 3/4 time.
01:53:488 - from here notes seems to be 1/8 later. check it please.

[LEADER'S MASTER]

Check AImod. There's unsnapped notes there.
00:14:488 (1) - Remove NC
00:31:488 - Why you skipped this big sound?

[INFINITE]

00:33:917 (5,6,7) - Ctrl+G? that jump is sudden.
00:44:631 (11) - NC

[EXHAUST]

01:30:917 (3,4) - 01:31:203 (5,6) - try making slider. it looks confusing to me.
01:37:203 (8) - Stack at (6)?

No big issues. Good!
GL!

dytedy

919 posts

Joined December 2014

dytedy 2016-01-14T21:12:48+00:00

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-01-15T22:59:28+00:00

thanks?

Aeril

Beatmap Nominator

710 posts

Joined May 2014

Aeril 2016-01-17T16:54:02+00:00

hiiiii

[INFINITE]
don't really see much wrong with it other than it played kind of boringly idk
just the mirroring throughout the entire map just isn't my kind of my map i guess xd
[EXHAUST]

01:16:345 (1,2) - i think ctrl+g here would better emphasize the loud note on 01:16:631 (3) i also felt more inclined to go towards 2 first but that may just be me xd
01:16:917 (1,2) - ^
01:17:488 (1,2) - ^
this one felt less repetitive because its less like, corner to corner jumps xd

nothing wrong with ktgster's/leader's diff or ADVANCED sooo, bye

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-01-17T16:57:02+00:00

k fixed will update some other time

Sakura chan

38 posts

Joined October 2014

Sakura chan 2016-02-16T21:53:20+00:00

Here we go (requested from #modreqs I saw)

Things

STARTER
you have some green sections at 01:44:345 that don't seem to serve a purpose, if they do, please explain to be how they do (I'm curious)
other than that, looks good, but the map just doesn't feel like it belongs in the set (the map is too easy for how fast the song feels)

BEGINNER
00:56:060 (2) - this circle is just a bit high, consider lowering it just a bit for people who use weird aspect ratios or HP gauges

BASIC
00:44:631 (2) - this clipped off of my screen when I tested it

NOVICE
00:36:631 (1,2,3) - this is the only pattern of its kind in the whole phrase. I would recommend changing 3 to be on the next white tick (rather than the red)

AMATEUR
00:23:060 (9) - this doesn't sound like it belongs here without listening closely
This map may also be harder than its stars suggest for newer players

INTERMEDIATE
00:23:060 (9) - same as before
There some odd slider rhythms at the end. Maybe some short 1/3 repeat sliders might fit better?

ADVANCED
00:23:060 (6) - this has been a consistent thing, is there something you're hearing that I'm not?
00:50:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I like this, but it's a sudden burst of difficulty that just resumes the old pattern anyway. This could cause chokes or sliderbreaks for days.
There's also a bit bigger of a difficultly jump from INTERMEDIATE to ADVANCED than any other. I don't think it's a problem, but someone else might.

EXHAUST
00:23:060 (10,11,12) - well, at least this one makes more sense to me.
01:31:131 (4,5,6,7) - you may want to consider making these into sliders so they don't have to doubletap, also considering it's the only instances I found.

INFINITE
01:00:060 (5) - you could probably make this into a stream.
01:06:345 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - same
01:09:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - the sliderbreaks and rage this can cause...

LEADER'S MASTER
00:08:060 (1,1) - it's courtesy to give players one full beat after a spinner to recover
00:36:060 (1,2) - these don't seem to make sense with how the other sliders are so fast, this would catch people off guard in the middle of the map.
01:12:060 (1,2) - these could break up into more sliders to fit the rhythm better in my opinion
01:27:488 (1,2,1,2) - if you want to stay consistent with a choke party, increase the difficulty of this to fit with the song better. The sliders are 1/2 for clicks, the song is closer to 1/3 for clicks as far I'm hearing.
01:31:417 (1) - maybe consider removing this circle? it sounded better when I removed it in my opinion
01:35:488 (3,4) - The pattern here doesn't fit the music as well as I think it can, 1/3 sliders or streams might fit better

KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
This is the only diff in the set that has the beginning mapped out. It feels different from the rest of the set right from the start. CS 5 isn't helping that case either. Hitsounds are cool, but same deal. In general, it feels too different from the rest of the set.
00:08:631 (2) - lone 2 in the combo, maybe consider either removing this and making a new combo, or mapping the quiet sounds?
01:33:298 (3) - are you sure this snapping is correct? It sounds weird to me.
01:39:012 (3) - same
01:53:488 (2) - this is the only part that doesn't make the player do a stream in the same pattern, maybe consider making this into a stream?

In closing, great set in general. Just some thoughts on what I think could make this map better. I hope I was of help to you.

Timorisu

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Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-02-17T16:53:36+00:00

Fixed everything except for those triples at the start becase I'm clearly hearing something lol

Leader

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Leader 2016-05-08T12:11:09+00:00

:v

Terandr

8 posts

Joined April 2014

Terandr 2016-07-05T01:19:34+00:00

General

I think the yellow should be changed to purple since that is more present in the bg than light yellow. (Even the darkened yellow is too light when compared to the bg).
AMATEUR and NOVICE are switched in your description.
I think the map timing is early by 2-3 ms.

STARTER

00:27:488 (1,2) - These sliders should have the red control points directly over a slider tick.

BASIC

00:20:631 (1,2,3,4) - I think the rhythm should either match the measure before or be slider, circle, slider, circle.
01:39:203 (3) - Remove the repeat arrow, but keep the same length.
01:39:774 - Add circle.

AMATEUR

I think the patterns here are a bit too difficult. They should be changed to a slider with a reverse arrow followed by a circle on the downbeat.
1. 01:13:774 (3,4)
2. 01:18:345 (5,6)
3. 01:36:631 (3,4)

INTERMEDIATE

Same issue here as with AMATEUR. Maybe not as important here since it is a higher difficulty, but I suggest it nonetheless.
1. 01:13:774 (3,4)
2. 01:18:345 (5,6)
3. 01:36:631 (3,4)
01:21:131 (5) - This is the only place in the whole map where a triplet is not stacked. Deleting the circle would not destroy your pattern while ensuring there are no unstacked triplets in this diff.
01:22:345 (1) - Should be snapped to the end of this slider - 01:21:203 (1)
01:33:774 (1,2,3,4) - Should these have a distance snap of 1x?

ADVANCED

01:41:203 (7,8) - Should be triples rather than fourths.
01:53:488 (1) - Part of the slider is off screen on 4:3 resolutions.

EXHAUST

00:18:060 (6,7,8,9,1) - The slider doesn't line up with the straight stream. Either adjust the slider or adjust the stream.

INFINITE

01:13:774 (3) - A bit too high up.
01:18:345 (3) - ^

LEADER'S MASTER

00:12:060 (3,4) - Improve blanket.
00:25:417 (2) - Not aligned between the sliders.
00:25:703 (4) - ^ (Especially this one)
00:25:988 (6) - ^
00:45:203 (5) - move NC from slider to here
01:10:917 (1,2) - Improve blanket.

Best of luck getting this ranked!

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-05T11:54:44+00:00

Most of these are very valid points; however I don't have enough time to properly address the mod yet. I'll do so in a few days. Fixed the description for now

Peydey

8 posts

Joined March 2015

Peydey 2016-07-06T19:17:37+00:00

HAVOC

00:42:917 (5,6,7,8) - Here you mapped the burst notes in the song as kick sliders but in the following timing points with the same exact notes in the song you mapped them differently as singles which don't actually represent the songs note:
00:28:917 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:33:488 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:38:345 (5,6,7,8,9) - ^

00:53:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - these streams were mapped identical, but the song is playing to completely contrasting intensities and octaves between them. Seems a bit lazy just copy pasting the same stream despite the only similarity being they're 5 note stream. The spacing in each stream should have contrast just as the music does. The first one is much lower than the livelier second.

00:54:917 (1) - Maybe increase the SV as this section opens up. Just a consideration tbh it's fine as is; I just think it'd make more sense to match those huge jumps

01:04:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I love this section. a lot. <3

01:28:060 (1) - I think the SV should have another small increase here as this section is much more intense than the previous held at 1.25 SV; it's awkward with all the jumps increasing and the sliders remaining the same.

01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - I believe the spacing should increase in this stream as well to match the brief intensity.

01:37:488 (1) - this section should follow if this one is increased ^

01:46:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a copy paste which does well to match the rhythm; however, due to an increase in intensity and key I believe the slider velocity should increase to speed up the sliders and space the streams gradually as it picks up; it seemed nice with a SV increase of .1 per combo.

^You did well in the section following this [01:55:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ] increasing the spacing there on the streams as well as the groups! But i'd consider trying out the increase in SV increase instead for the end spacing just in the same fashion as the preceding.

Maybe consider increasing AR from 9.5 to 9.7 since you have a few sections that stack a lot. still fine though. Managed entertain myself all morning modding your map. Nice song/nice map, Good Luck and I hope at least some of this is useful for you

Here is an edit mode of containing these mod changes if you'd like to see what they look like: http://puu.sh/pSAoZ/313f809305.osu

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-19T19:03:08+00:00

waterandroid wrote:
General
I think the yellow should be changed to purple since that is more present in the bg than light yellow. (Even the darkened yellow is too light when compared to the bg).
AMATEUR and NOVICE are switched in your description.
I think the map timing is early by 2-3 ms.
STARTER
00:27:488 (1,2) - These sliders should have the red control points directly over a slider tick.
BASIC
00:20:631 (1,2,3,4) - I think the rhythm should either match the measure before or be slider, circle, slider, circle.
01:39:203 (3) - Remove the repeat arrow, but keep the same length. I'm following the piano here, plus I feel like a downbeat is more deserving of a hitobject than a simple white tick with only a kick is
01:39:774 - Add circle. See above
AMATEUR
I think the patterns here are a bit too difficult. They should be changed to a slider with a reverse arrow followed by a circle on the downbeat. They're sliders on purpose, in order to allow for more leniency and player error. I'll see what other people have to say about this though. For now, no change.
01:13:774 (3,4)
01:18:345 (5,6)
01:36:631 (3,4)
INTERMEDIATE
Same issue here as with AMATEUR. Maybe not as important here since it is a higher difficulty, but I suggest it nonetheless.
01:13:774 (3,4)
01:18:345 (5,6)
01:36:631 (3,4)
01:21:131 (5) - This is the only place in the whole map where a triplet is not stacked. Deleting the circle would not destroy your pattern while ensuring there are no unstacked triplets in this diff.
01:22:345 (1) - Should be snapped to the end of this slider - 01:21:203 (1) Not possible since curved sliders are inherently shorter than straight ones, even if they're curved ever so slightly :l
01:33:774 (1,2,3,4) - Should these have a distance snap of 1x? Nope, since 01:33:774 (1,2) - is distance snapped at 1,12x I decided to follow this distance snap for the following pattern in order to get a cleaner look
ADVANCED
01:41:203 (7,8) - Should be triples rather than fourths.
01:53:488 (1) - Part of the slider is off screen on 4:3 resolutions.
EXHAUST
00:18:060 (6,7,8,9,1) - The slider doesn't line up with the straight stream. Either adjust the slider or adjust the stream. That is for symmetry with 00:16:060 (4,7,1) - . And I honestly like the slight offset on the downbeat object, gives an impact feel without actually changing (much of) the playstyle of the pattern.
INFINITE
01:13:774 (3) - A bit too high up. Says who? They don't touch the HP bar so I think they're good to go.
01:18:345 (3) - ^
LEADER'S MASTER
00:12:060 (3,4) - Improve blanket.
00:25:417 (2) - Not aligned between the sliders.
00:25:703 (4) - ^ (Especially this one)
00:25:988 (6) - ^
00:45:203 (5) - move NC from slider to here
01:10:917 (1,2) - Improve blanket.

Best of luck getting this ranked! Thank you!

Peydey wrote:
HAVOC

00:42:917 (5,6,7,8) - Here you mapped the burst notes in the song as kick sliders but in the following timing points with the same exact notes in the song you mapped them differently as singles which don't actually represent the songs note:
00:28:917 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:33:488 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:38:345 (5,6,7,8,9) - ^ These are for consistency within patterns and sections of the song, not for consistency throughout the whole thing. A little variation doesn't hurt, but I'll give it a thought. For now, no change

00:53:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - these streams were mapped identical, but the song is playing to completely contrasting intensities and octaves between them. Seems a bit lazy just copy pasting the same stream despite the only similarity being they're 5 note stream. The spacing in each stream should have contrast just as the music does. The first one is much lower than the livelier second.

00:54:917 (1) - Maybe increase the SV as this section opens up. Just a consideration tbh it's fine as is; I just think it'd make more sense to match those huge jumps That part is much calmer than the one before though, wouldn't make much sense to up the SV just so the player can ease better into the next section. I feel like that would not represent the song as well as the current section does.

01:04:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I love this section. a lot. <3 me too thanks

01:28:060 (1) - I think the SV should have another small increase here as this section is much more intense than the previous held at 1.25 SV; it's awkward with all the jumps increasing and the sliders remaining the same.

01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - I believe the spacing should increase in this stream as well to match the brief intensity. I tried that on the INFINITE diff and didn't like it in the end, which is why I chose not to do the same with this diff

01:37:488 (1) - this section should follow if this one is increased ^

01:46:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a copy paste which does well to match the rhythm; however, due to an increase in intensity and key I believe the slider velocity should increase to speed up the sliders and space the streams gradually as it picks up; it seemed nice with a SV increase of .1 per combo.

^You did well in the section following this [01:55:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ] increasing the spacing there on the streams as well as the groups! But i'd consider trying out the increase in SV increase instead for the end spacing just in the same fashion as the preceding.

Maybe consider increasing AR from 9.5 to 9.7 since you have a few sections that stack a lot. still fine though. Managed entertain myself all morning modding your map. Nice song/nice map, Good Luck and I hope at least some of this is useful for you

Here is an edit mode of containing these mod changes if you'd like to see what they look like: http://puu.sh/pSAoZ/313f809305.osu

Sorry for the ultra late reply. No comment = Fixed (soonTM)

Pippi Longsocks

Pippi Longsocks 2016-07-23T16:59:49+00:00

Oh god...This is already modded so i barely found "mistakes" in this difficulty.
Yes you heard me right.All difficulties are so good mapped and modded that i think you should always ask same people you had on this mapset to help u mod anything else.
[Havoc]
00:17:988-Add note to the stream,since if you listen bit slower,you will notice that single beat that you missed to put circle on XD.
00:58:917-Add note.

Congrats.
Get a nominator and you are ready for ranked.

Ciyus Miapah

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Joined June 2013

Ciyus Miapah 2016-07-27T16:57:17+00:00

01:57:203 (4,5) - Offscreen, please reduce the distance a bit

careful for this one

EMachine03

49 posts

Joined December 2015

EMachine03 2016-07-27T19:00:31+00:00

From #modreqs

(warning I kind of had to nazi mod because this thing is modded a lot already-you should get a nominator this map is ready)
General:
Resnap all notes in Novice.
Some of the sliders are a bit unnecessary or start too early. Maybe just check if they work there?
Also, I don't know if this is bad or not, but maybe the kial sections don't need to stop so often?
NOVICE:
00:12:345 (6,7) - Honestly, I think you could delete both of these.
00:14:774 (6) - 5 can stay, but I think this should be deleted.
00:25:060 (5) - This is kind of up to you. You can keep this if you want, but if you want to delete it, then you should probably delete those triplets before it or else it would sound weird. Once again, up to you.
00:37:203 (2,3) - It's kind of weird how this is the only place where this sort of right after thing is found. All of the similar sounding parts don't have this pattern. It doesn't really matter what you use, but I think it should be consistent.
01:09:917 (2) - Kind of unnecessary. This combo sounds and looks fine just with this deleted.
01:18:203 - I think there should be some beatmapping inside of this gap. It feels pretty empty.
Great map! Go get it ranked.

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-28T06:07:12+00:00

Fort: Fixed

EMachine03: Only fixed and adjusted some stuff at minimal places. This diff is supposed to be an intro to 1/2 and you're basically suggesting for me to remove most of that. Plus that would make the transition from NOVICE to AMATEUR extremely hard and uneven.

7ambda

2,590 posts

Joined January 2015

7ambda 2016-07-28T18:45:27+00:00

Pretty legit.

Afro

19 posts

Joined February 2015

Afro 2016-07-28T19:08:33+00:00

hey there pal i think the song is cool and i like how much detail you gave in #modreqs because that was the only reason i got interested enough to mod it just thought i'd mention that okay here it comse ahhhh

warning: im not a professional mapper so this is probably mainly just gonna be a lot of subjective things and might seem ranty

AMATEUR

00:22:488 (7,8,9) - same as what i said below in intermediate and advanced for the same set of notes

INTERMEDIATE

00:22:488 (7,8,9) - this i feel similar to the same notes from ADVANCED, but it doesn't seem as prevalent as a switch here. maybe its because im getting more used to it, idk (for some reason I played this one after ADVANCED)

das it though, i like this one too

ADVANCED

this was fun and around my level so yeah

00:22:488 (4,5,6) - these felt a bit weird and as if they should have had less time in between them or something. or maybe you could map them to the melody like it started with? or maybe put triples there instead, just some ideas. i felt like i was following the melody at that part but it seems like you went towards the beat and that threw me off and still does a little bit. i did some experimenting and this felt more easy to follow than feeling like switching from melody to beat: https://gyazo.com/2f7bd1e21dae1130f3ea20843a1e0b69 .

00:36:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - i really like this part. thats all, not sarcasm, i just like it a lot

00:50:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this came very quickly and was unexpected while i was playing it, took me a few times to pass. it definitely seems correct in terms of fitting in with the song but just felt like a difficulty spike to me

other than that this difficulty felt very clean, i like it

EXHAUST

00:18:060 (6,7,8,9,1) - i really hate how this isnt straight the whole way pls fix

thats about it since i cant actually pass this one very far so it feels wrong giving too much advice on it

but also i didnt really see anything else that i disliked so yeah

Sorry if this doesn't help you that much, just thought I might as well give you another opinion

Good luck!

Wormi

200 posts

Joined November 2014

Wormi 2016-07-29T00:18:37+00:00

Quick random mod

[General]
Background should be 1366x768 and not 1365x768 if I'm not mistaken

[Havoc]

Check unsnapped notes in AiMod

[Leader's Master]

00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Stacking error?
00:44:345 (1) - Is this whistle necessary?

[Infinite]

Fix tags

[Advanced]

01:06:345 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Wouldn't it be better if it has a progressive spacing increase instead of a brutal changement?

[Novice]

Fix unsnapped notes

[Beginner]

Fix Slider Multiplier in the .osu file
it's something like SliderMultiplier:0.600000005960464
and it should be SliderMultiplier:0.6
01:15:488 (2) - Fix DS and improve the blanket

[Starter]

Fix Slider Multiplier here too

Amazing work! Best mapset I've seen in a while

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-29T06:09:13+00:00

TheAfroOfDoom: didn't fix the 00:22:488 (7,8,9) - stuff since missing out on the triples that are rather prominent here feels... wrong to me

Worminators: fixed everything, thank you very much!

Nezzar

117 posts

Joined June 2009

Nezzar 2016-07-29T07:16:28+00:00

[HAVOC]
00:36:560 (1) - missing a beat before? seems weird for me
01:07:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - increase spacing for a bit?
01:23:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels like filling the 1/3 gap between them will be better, or at least space the doubles? (i.e. not stacking them)
01:25:203 (1) - http://puu.sh/qinoF/83048ff8f9.jpg maybe like this?
01:26:917 (1) - 01:27:203 (2) - maybe streams?
01:47:488 (6) - http://puu.sh/qintF/018d01808c.jpg maybe like this?
01:49:202 (6,7) - 01:50:917 (6,7) - 01:52:631 (6,7) - ^

testplay

good luck with ranking

Leader

osu! Alumni

1,849 posts

Joined January 2011

Leader 2016-07-29T12:12:36+00:00

Fixed mostly everything you suggested, thanks

SPOILER

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Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-29T12:30:00+00:00

DenierNezzar wrote:
[HAVOC]
00:36:560 (1) - missing a beat before? seems weird for me There's a nyoom sound there so I placed a circle with a whistle here
01:07:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - increase spacing for a bit? I thought about that initially but I didn't want to go too hard on the nomod players
01:23:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels like filling the 1/3 gap between them will be better, or at least space the doubles? (i.e. not stacking them) That would set them equal with the heavy beats right before. I think stacks do fine as this part is calmer than the one before
01:25:203 (1) - http://puu.sh/qinoF/83048ff8f9.jpg maybe like this? Kicks are 1/3, so this is a no-go
01:26:917 (1) - 01:27:203 (2) - maybe streams? Mhh nah
01:47:488 (6) - http://puu.sh/qintF/018d01808c.jpg maybe like this? I feel like that would distract from the actual melody too much
01:49:202 (6,7) - 01:50:917 (6,7) - 01:52:631 (6,7) - ^

good luck with ranking

Pozidriv

24 posts

Joined March 2015

Pozidriv 2016-07-29T20:13:52+00:00

In game mod

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-29T20:18:03+00:00

Pozidriv wrote:
In game mod

to elaborate we fixed 01:30:917 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) -in INFINITE to go from shit to kinda good and fixed some other minor stuff in the diff

Ethan

226 posts

Joined September 2015

Ethan 2016-07-31T14:22:59+00:00

hi I was going to mod this but my browser stopped working and I lost the entire mod so ill just give you a kd star because this is definitely going to get ranked

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-31T14:24:01+00:00

hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-07-31T20:13:58+00:00

Holla, from #modreqs

Timorisu wrote:
hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind

I'm not so sure about this

GENERAL

01:53:203 - From here on the strings are always extremely off, ktgster's way of handling with that is close to accurate but I feel like this calls for timing sections as it's most likely not the intended rhythm by the artist lol, I'll try to ask around and if needed time it for you, but someone's able to edit that in the mp3 lol
I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd

HAVOC

00:15:488 (3,4,5,6) - I don't really understand the spacing here since it gives emphasis to the offbeats, why not ctrl-g (4,5,6)?
00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - When I was having my first look on this map with HT this seemed off to me since autostacking makes (2) not stack on 00:24:631 (8) etc, and when you're setting up a pentagon so nicely it's rather notably when it gets crooked, so I'm suggesting to move the stacks at least 4x4 pixels, bc then the centre of the triplet is stacking on it (I didn't notice that anywhere else though, only here, and I didn't even recognize that it was due to autostacking; just saying this bc I'm not just randomly nazi'ing ^^)
00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer
I don't know how many testplays of people that are at least somewhat proficient in mapping you got, but there are a few patterns where I'd really like someone's opinion on, for example 00:40:631 (4,5,6) which seems extremely irritating to me since it's spaced exactly like 00:38:203 (4,5,6) -, my suggestion would be to space it like this since that indicates that it's something different, but dunno about you.
Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet?
00:45:203 (1,2) - This continuing the flow of the reverse here feels very underwhelming to me bc of the big interval but small spacing, would work better if (2) were swapped horizontally as it would at least break the flow, and flow would also be harder on 00:46:060 (2,3) since you'd have to turn 180° then, which would emphasize that slider quite nicely imo
00:50:345 (1,2,3,4) - Not minding that the spacing of these seems completely overdone to me, I find it weird to have such extremely fast movement here just to forcefully slow down at 00:50:917 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) again even though it's one continuous musical pattern that doesn't get any less intense at (5), I'd make that stream into sliders to and tone them down a bit xd
00:56:060 (1,2) - This feels very underwhelming too, even just ctrl-g'ing (2) would improve it a lot for me, or maybe try something like this?
01:26:203 (4) - This seems out of place rhythmically, would move it to the blue tick after since that's where the unz is at
01:55:203 (1,2,3,4) and 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) are 1/4s, just as I already mentioned incredibly off lol
Also I feel like those streams could increase more in spacing than they do know, considering it's the final phrase of such an epic song 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) plays pretty calm ^^
01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd
01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually
In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too)
also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -

KTGSTER'S GRAVITY

00:24:060 (1,2,3,4) - You made this pattern with 00:23:774 (7,8) in mind but ingame this looks incredibly crappy because those circles aren't visible anymore lol, might as well stack (3) on (7,8) imo
00:57:204 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I heavily dislike this pattern for 3/8-3/8-2/8-rhythms because to me the even-ish spacing suggests that it's 1/3-rhythm, I incredibly hate that because I always have to look at maps using that in the editor after getting 100s at it so I know which one of the rhythms it is - Try coming up with a pattern like HAVOC's that spaces the (3,1)s less please ;_;
01:13:488 (2,3,4) - I know that theoretically DS is indicating the 1/3 here but do you really think anybody recognizes that at all? Have you gotten testplays on this?
01:23:774 (4,5) - overlap !! !!
Might wanna space things in this whole combo more bc 01:24:346 (8,1,2) looks really messy imo lol
01:32:917 (2,3,4) - Yeah there's a piano-note audible on (3) when slowed down but for me this isn't recognizable at all in fullspeed and just plays really weird :/
01:51:203 (3) - Why are you mapping the white tick here? You ignored it previously and this plays really weird too for me xd
01:58:488 (2,3,4) - This is not a straight line if that's what you were going for :^)
00:53:774 (16,1) - waht is NCing
01:17:774 (1,2,3,4) - this already sounds like 1/3 to me
01:32:417 (7) - Sounds like the beat is emphasizing on (6) really hard but this pretty-much-overmapped circle ruins that for me in the map tbh
01:40:631 (1,2,3,4,5) - and this is the only overmapped stream that I found in the whole map, seems out of place to me tbh

LEADER'S MASTER

00:12:917 (2,3) - uhh did you do this anywhere else? seems out of place to me, stopping all the motion
00:20:917 (2,3) - ctrl-g'ing these plays much better for me bc sharp angles n stuff
00:45:203 (5,1) - wth, it's completely unnoticable at full speed that this low echo-ish sound is a bit delayed whereas the strong beat is clearly on the white tick, I don't think this plays well for anyone lol
00:52:631 (1) - Doesn't make much sense to me put such a strong beat that you even hitsound accordingly on a tail,a slo for differentiation purposes with 00:52:917 (2) -, why not make it two circles? Same at 01:11:774 (4) - 01:16:345 (4) - 01:39:203 (4) -
01:10:631 (6,1) - This doesn't give (6) much emphasis at all due to the smooth flow but it would deserve emphasis very well imo Same at 01:19:774 (4,1) - 01:20:345 (2,3) -
01:12:488 (2) - Why do you emphasize the red tick above the white tick here? I don't hear anything special on it
01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 01:27:488 (1,2,1,2) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Those are actually 1/3
01:31:203 (4,1) - I can't hear anything special on the tail of (4) warranting this rhythm and hitsounding, why not just extend it to (1)?
01:35:964 (5) - why would you put the downbeat on a tail like that ;_; btw you could map beautiful 1/3s at 01:35:488 (3,4,5) -, seems rather dull rn

Ok I'm about to go deaf bc of having to check snaps so much, I'll probably come back to have a look at the other diffs too in the next few days, sorry lol ~

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-07-31T21:08:26+00:00

Bonsai wrote:
SPOILER
Holla, from #modreqs holla holla

Timorisu wrote:
hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind
I'm not so sure about this

GENERAL
01:53:203 - From here on the strings are always extremely off, ktgster's way of handling with that is close to accurate but I feel like this calls for timing sections as it's most likely not the intended rhythm by the artist lol, I'll try to ask around and if needed time it for you, but someone's able to edit that in the mp3 lol yeah i know but i could never find a thing im 100% satisfied with so i just stuck to 1/3. i can also go with 1/4 as you suggested for the last two streams
I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff are you talking about a 10% raise in volume?
HAVOC
00:15:488 (3,4,5,6) - I don't really understand the spacing here since it gives emphasis to the offbeats, why not ctrl-g (4,5,6)?
00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - When I was having my first look on this map with HT this seemed off to me since autostacking makes (2) not stack on 00:24:631 (8) etc, and when you're setting up a pentagon so nicely it's rather notably when it gets crooked, so I'm suggesting to move the stacks at least 4x4 pixels, bc then the centre of the triplet is stacking on it (I didn't notice that anywhere else though, only here, and I didn't even recognize that it was due to autostacking; just saying this bc I'm not just randomly nazi'ing ^^)
00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore
I don't know how many testplays of people that are at least somewhat proficient in mapping you got, but there are a few patterns where I'd really like someone's opinion on, for example 00:40:631 (4,5,6) which seems extremely irritating to me since it's spaced exactly like 00:38:203 (4,5,6) -, my suggestion would be to space it like this since that indicates that it's something different, but dunno about you. i think both sounds are strong enough to deserve similar spacing and patterning. while the first pattern may also have kicks going on with the drum stuff or whatever the hell that is on 00:38:345 (5,6,7) - . the stopping sounds in the second pattern are louder than the rest and as such i have also spaced them higher
Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must
00:45:203 (1,2) - This continuing the flow of the reverse here feels very underwhelming to me bc of the big interval but small spacing, would work better if (2) were swapped horizontally as it would at least break the flow, and flow would also be harder on 00:46:060 (2,3) since you'd have to turn 180° then, which would emphasize that slider quite nicely imo i dont really see a reason to break flow though? its just 3 kicks and a dragging sound
00:50:345 (1,2,3,4) - Not minding that the spacing of these seems completely overdone to me, I find it weird to have such extremely fast movement here just to forcefully slow down at 00:50:917 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) again even though it's one continuous musical pattern that doesn't get any less intense at (5), I'd make that stream into sliders to and tone them down a bit xd
00:56:060 (1,2) - This feels very underwhelming too, even just ctrl-g'ing (2) would improve it a lot for me, or maybe try something like this?
01:26:203 (4) - This seems out of place rhythmically, would move it to the blue tick after since that's where the unz is at
01:55:203 (1,2,3,4) and 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) are 1/4s, just as I already mentioned incredibly off lol
Also I feel like those streams could increase more in spacing than they do know, considering it's the final phrase of such an epic song 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) plays pretty calm ^^
01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be

01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4
In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol
also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll
Ok I'm about to go deaf bc of having to check snaps so much, I'll probably come back to have a look at the other diffs too in the next few days, sorry lol ~ sorry ):

no comment = fixed (soonTM)

ktgster

Elite Mapper

483 posts

Joined November 2008

ktgster 2016-08-02T01:17:54+00:00

Yay first mod EVER.

No responses = fixed.

Bonsai

Bonsai wrote:
Holla, from #modreqs

KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
00:24:060 (1,2,3,4) - You made this pattern with 00:23:774 (7,8) in mind but ingame this looks incredibly crappy because those circles aren't visible anymore lol, might as well stack (3) on (7,8) imo - bit wrong on the visible part since you forgot to account for the 300 that last much longer. Stacking 3 on 7,8 loses the emphasis made on the white tick and would look off in comparison from the strange low spacing overall.
00:57:204 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I heavily dislike this pattern for 3/8-3/8-2/8-rhythms because to me the even-ish spacing suggests that it's 1/3-rhythm, I incredibly hate that because I always have to look at maps using that in the editor after getting 100s at it so I know which one of the rhythms it is - Try coming up with a pattern like HAVOC's that spaces the (3,1)s less please ;_; - changed, comment further if it's still hard to read.
01:13:488 (2,3,4) - I know that theoretically DS is indicating the 1/3 here but do you really think anybody recognizes that at all? Have you gotten testplays on this? - maybe? I increased the spacing, but no promises that would help. Considering the usage of DS in this kiai, I think its generally fine.
01:23:774 (4,5) - overlap !! !!
Might wanna space things in this whole combo more bc 01:24:346 (8,1,2) looks really messy imo lol - spaced the 8 and 1 instead
01:32:917 (2,3,4) - Yeah there's a piano-note audible on (3) when slowed down but for me this isn't recognizable at all in fullspeed and just plays really weird :/ - changed pattern
01:51:203 (3) - Why are you mapping the white tick here? You ignored it previously and this plays really weird too for me xd - but every white tick was mapped. Changed pattern regardless
01:58:488 (2,3,4) - This is not a straight line if that's what you were going for :^)
00:53:774 (16,1) - waht is NCing
01:17:774 (1,2,3,4) - this already sounds like 1/3 to me - I hear 1/4, the only mistake was the slider which is 1/4 and not 1/3
01:32:417 (7) - Sounds like the beat is emphasizing on (6) really hard but this pretty-much-overmapped circle ruins that for me in the map tbh
01:40:631 (1,2,3,4,5) - and this is the only overmapped stream that I found in the whole map, seems out of place to me tbh - changed pattern

Diff

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7ambda

2,590 posts

Joined January 2015

7ambda 2016-08-04T20:51:13+00:00

no kds cus short mod

ADVANCED

01:49:202 (4) - This blanket would look slightly better if you moved this two pixels right and two pixels down w/o grid snap.

INFINITE
00:12:488 (6) - Looks better if moved to x:376 y:332 to keep it parallel with (4) instead of triangular with 00:11:345 (6) and 00:11:917 (3)
00:23:060 (11,12,13) - This doesn't sound like there should be a triple here; the beat sounds like it ends exactly at (10). Perhaps remove (12,13) and move (11) onto the next white tick?

Leader

osu! Alumni

1,849 posts

Joined January 2011

Leader 2016-08-07T13:37:27+00:00

Fixed most part of all the things you pointed out, thanks

SPOILER

osu file format v14

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Timorisu

771 posts

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Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-08-07T15:05:48+00:00

F1r3tar: Didn't fix the stuff in Infinite because like... idk I prefer the triangle and I hear triple sounds /shrug

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-08-14T21:41:22+00:00

ayy finally done with the rest lol

@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though?

a small reply to some of your replies :^)

Timorisu wrote:
(general:) I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff are you talking about a 10% raise in volume? mh yeah that would definitely help, but after asking a few others it seems like I tend to be exaggerating so only do it if it makes sense to you too ^^
00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore well to me the problem is that the beat is the same at the tail of (8) and at (1), but it's only clickable once which seems rather imbalanced, so I suggested stacking since that already influences how the player at behaves at the tail of (8) too as it creates tension; but while looking at some lwoer diff rn I came up with the suggestion of letting (8) reverse there as that treats them equally too and since there aren't any other 1/1-reverses nearby it would make it stick out, how about that? ^^
Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must just informing you that I asked somebody and they were surprised but it actually didn't play bad so yay ^^
01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be actually to me it's not so much about difficulty but about rhythm: 01:47:488 - 01:47:679 - 01:47:869 are rhythmically equal while 01:48:060 is the major downbeat and is thus naturally much more intense than the three previous beats musically, my suggestion of making it reverse+circle is in no way more difficult than that, if anything it's easier as there is a longer break from clicking, but it would give more appropriate emphasis from a rhytmic perspective

01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4 still 1/3 to me, especially on 50%, and this melody plays 1/3 in the rest of the section too so I think that's logical
In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol *sadface*
also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll I don't, sounds definitely like this to me o: but I can ask others if you want me to ^^ (ktgster seems to agree in his diff tho ^^)

GENERAL AGAIN BC I DIDN'T NOTICE IT LAST TIME

01:46:345 - The timing signature should be 6/4 from here on and going back to 4/4 at 01:58:916 lul
I don't really know all those rhythm games but is there like a list of the diffname-progressing somewhere? bc it seems a bit weird to me to have the first seven diffs sound rather easy and then jumping from ADVANCED to EXHAUST (especially since Advanced is used in osu! for diffs between Normals and Hards), like, isn't there for example HYPER being left out (which would be used as equivalent to or slightly harder than Hard in osu!)? Might as well be from a different game but I'm just saying that it seems rather unusual to me so I'd like to see some sort of 'source' for that ^^

STARTER

I've asked other nominators too and we all agreed that this diff is rather unnecessary, the lack of special bigger rhythmic elements in the song/map and the repetition of slidershapes throughout all of the map makes it rather boring and not especially related to the song, BEGINNER is still a very beginner-friendly diff (duh) so I see no reason for this diff to exist at all tbh (also 'starter' and 'beginner' seem synonymous to me lol)

BEGINNER

I feel a lack of differentiation at 00:28:060 (2,4) - 00:32:631 (2,4) and expecially at 00:43:488 (3,2) as there are completely different sounds on those two sliders, or they are even in completely different sections of the song, but mapped exactly the same, which seems quite monotonous to me
01:18:345 - You don't leave a 4/1-gap anywhere else in the Kiai, why here? circle would fit great imo
01:41:774 (5) - Introducing the first 1/1-slider here but then going to a spinner right afterwards seems quite random to me, would make more sense to already start the spinner here imo
01:46:345 (1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like these could all use one circle between them, the 1/1-sliders a much higher density which is immediately broken by 4/1-gaps, seems imbalanced and I think this being the last climax of the song would definitely deserve the higher density
01:58:345 (1,2) - I'd suggest switching NCing to follow the 'delayed' downbeat in the song here, would be a nice effect imo
also applies to many higher diffs, at the very high diffs you might also just NC both~

BASIC

00:10:345 (2) - suggesting NC here bc why not (same for NOVICE)
also 01:01:774 (7) -
00:17:203 (5) - also suggesting NC here to represent the thrown-in 2/4-measure in the song
00:27:488 (1,2,3) - this is uneven !! also 00:30:631 (4,1) - is really huge
00:36:060 (5) - would be cool to differentiate these two beats from the rest a bit, rn it's literally the same as 00:36:631 (1) so I'd suggest just making it two circles (same for NOVICE)
00:40:631 - this gap seems really weird, would suggesting placing a circle here OR letting the slider reverse once so it's like at 01:18:345 -
actually I mean you're using quite a few 1/2-reverse-sliders towards the end, so I think you could also just place 1/3-reverse-sliders at these two places?
this gap-thing applies to NOVICE too again xd even with an extra-gap at 01:36:345 (3,1) - lol
on the other hand I'd suggest deleting 00:45:488 (3) to differentiate from 00:45:774 (1,2) and thus giving them more of their imo deserved emphasis
00:54:345 (4) - this really fucks up your NCing and I don't see much reason for that, how about this? And independent from that I suggest further fixing your NCing by NCing at 00:57:203 and 01:00:060 instead of 00:58:345 -
Also I'd advise you to clean up all the minor spacing-inconsistencies a bit, like, often there is a small difference a pattern that makes a followpoint appear between one pair of objects but not appear between the next pair, or stuff like 01:24:917 (4,5,6) looks rather imbalanced, also very different compared with 01:23:774 (2,3,4) -, stuff like that could be polished throughout the whole map
01:39:774 - This gap seems random
ah, hitsounding-suggestion: maybe put a whistle on the body of 00:46:345 (3) -? since you did that at a few other places too
also NC at 01:42:060 (4) - ?
also NCing 01:54:917 (2,3) would seem cool imo and not make it so imbalanced

NOVICE

00:33:774 (3) - ehh I'd rather NC here instead of not NCing at all, it doesn't seem awkward since there's a special sound supporting it imo (even tho that sound appeared previously too lol w/e)
00:57:203 (4) - NC pl0x
yae

AMATEUR

00:13:203 (2,3,4) - nghngh the spacing looks really imbalanced again, I mean since most of your style for these diffs is extremely based on neat blankets everywhere I feel like it's justified to expect a higher level of polish for all of it, at this scale of spacing stuff like 00:16:631 (7,8,1) is rather easily noticable, or stuff like 00:18:917 (2,3,4) where the after-hit-approachcircle of (2) completely overlaps with the tail of (3) but has a gap to most of (4), same at 00:20:917 (2,3,4) and for example the space between the sliderbodies is slightly growing at 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4) which doesn't seem intentional either, or the slight overlap at 01:14:917 (2,3) - or 01:36:345 (2,3,4) - etc etc.. it seems like for some of those the reason is that you're mapping with GridSnap on, and together with other minor unthoughtfulness that makes a lot of your patterns look very imbalanced and impacts the overall visual appearance
00:26:345 (5) - suggesting NC
00:35:774 (5,1) - the beat at 00:36:060 being passive while the following one is active seems weird, how about just letting (5) reverse? There are no other 1/1-reverse-sliders around here so that would make it stick out quite well
00:59:488 (7,1) - would swap NC
01:13:774 (3,4) - 01:18:345 (5,6) - etc: {insert the point that I re-responded to in the HAVOC-quote which applies to pretty much all diffs from now on}

INTERMEDIATE

uuuuuhm the first few sections are the exact same as AMATEUR, dunno what happened here but tell me when it's fixed lol
I mean the SR has a huge gap to ADVANCED so I hope fixing this diff will fix that gap, otherwise I strongly recommend nerfing 01:43:488 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) in ADVANCED as that seems really hard coming from a diff with zero 1/4s, that pattern spikes the SR of that diff by 0,4* so actually please nerf that anyways since that is a pretty big imbalance lol

ADVANCED

00:29:774 (9,1) - 00:32:060 (8,1) - 00:34:345 (8,1) - I think this is more confusing than anything else, the (8)s don't have those special sounds that are on the previous notes anyways so swaping the NCs would help in terms of differentiation too (same for EXHAUST)
00:37:631 (5,6,7) - this doesn't look like a line, try moving (6,7) 1x1 to the top and left
00:39:488 (6,7,8,9) - auto-stack-overlaps ahoy, better space that a bit more
00:44:345 - is that whistle intended lol
00:48:060 (4) - 00:52:631 (5) - I'm so good at paint
00:56:060 (1,3) - suggesting to either swap NCs or NC both to keep it somewhat consistent
01:09:203 (2,1) - Having the downbeat not clickable is already rather unconventional but the NC at (1) seems even more weird so I'd suggest to switch NC here

EXHAUSTed is what I am rn (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞

00:12:631 (1,2,3,4) - missing the differentiation here as the strings double their notes, you differentiated at 00:10:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:15:203 (1,2,3) too so why not here?
00:16:631 (6,2) - hello autostack my old friend
00:51:488 (1,2,3,4) - This most likely leads to sliderbreaks as (3,4) need the player to stay notably longer on that slider than (1,2) which isn't predictable at all, how about removing the second reverses from (3,4)?
00:57:203 (3) - 01:00:060 (5) - NCs, please
01:09:203 (4,1) - this auto-stacks exactly into the direction of the sliderbody making (1) completely invisible, maybe stack it manually into the opposite direction?
01:30:631 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this looks rather ugly since I can't spot any pattern here (looks like you ran out of playfield lol), but I'm actually pointing it out bc making 1/2- and 3/4-gap look the same is rather misleading, most of the times 3/4-gaps are rather spaced like 1/1s since the second of those beats is the more prominent one, so I recommend raising that in some way
01:41:203 (3,4,5,6,7) - this is definitely 1/3
01:46:631 - uhm this section is just copypasted from/into INFINITE and HAVOC, please don't do that lol

INFINITE

00:57:203 (3) - NCeyy
01:09:774 (2,1) - asdf swap NC pls and stack upwards like in EXHAUST so it's somehwat readable lol
01:18:726 (5,1) - spacing seems awkwardly low here after the previous rapid movement, how about smth like this?
01:20:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - better check all of this again bc the 'geometries' are shifted, e.g. the followpoint between 01:20:060 (1,2) is not orthogonal to their bodies etc
same at 01:57:250 (5,6,7,8) -
01:22:345 (1,2) - Why such a confusingly low spacing when the music stays the same?
01:35:773 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - auto-stacking fucking about your square lul

oke that's it for now I guess lol
generally I feel like you could've saved yourself quite some work by making the diff-gaps a bit higher, going through all of these diffs in one session rn made it seem like most of them are just a slight variation of the previous one isntead of really a new diff as there are so many patterns recurring in some diffs just with slightly higher spacing or smth like that, but oke, kudos to you for going through all that work lol

Leader

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Leader 2016-08-17T11:24:28+00:00

Bonsai wrote:
@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though?

Sorry! I had little time when I fixed so I will post now

Bonsai

Bonsai wrote:
LEADER'S MASTER
00:12:917 (2,3) - uhh did you do this anywhere else? seems out of place to me, stopping all the motion I know I did this only once through the whole map but it works fine! I don't think it stops all the motion, it even emphasizes the sound in 00:12:917 - and doesn't have anything bad
00:20:917 (2,3) - ctrl-g'ing these plays much better for me bc sharp angles n stuff
00:45:203 (5,1) - wth, it's completely unnoticable at full speed that this low echo-ish sound is a bit delayed whereas the strong beat is clearly on the white tick, I don't think this plays well for anyone lol
00:52:631 (1) - Doesn't make much sense to me put such a strong beat that you even hitsound accordingly on a tail,a slo for differentiation purposes with 00:52:917 (2) -, why not make it two circles? Same at 01:11:774 (4) - 01:16:345 (4) - 01:39:203 (4) - I didn't apply this on the last two timestamps since I believe they are fine as it is now, can't feel a stronger beat than the previous two
01:10:631 (6,1) - This doesn't give (6) much emphasis at all due to the smooth flow but it would deserve emphasis very well imo Same at 01:19:774 (4,1) - 01:20:345 (2,3) - I don't really have a problem with it, I believe they are emphasized enough and doesn't need any further fix
01:12:488 (2) - Why do you emphasize the red tick above the white tick here? I don't hear anything special on it For rhythm variation's sake, I guess
01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 01:27:488 (1,2,1,2) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Those are actually 1/3
01:31:203 (4,1) - I can't hear anything special on the tail of (4) warranting this rhythm and hitsounding, why not just extend it to (1)? Two 3/4 sliders in a row are quite boring and annoying to play, I used two different patterns to make it prettier to play
01:35:964 (5) - why would you put the downbeat on a tail like that ;_; btw you could map beautiful 1/3s at 01:35:488 (3,4,5) -, seems rather dull rn

I fixed something that I forgot, here you go Timo

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296,360,116917,2,0,L|328:356,3,22.5,2|0|0|0,0:2|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
200,380,117203,2,0,P|164:376|148:368,1,45,2|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
280,280,117488,2,0,P|301:273|323:272,1,45,2|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
456,284,117774,2,0,L|464:232,1,45,2|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
100,360,118060,2,0,L|92:308,1,45,2|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
168,208,118345,70,0,L|156:116,1,90,2|2,0:3|0:3,0:0:0:0:
355,122,118631,2,0,L|344:212,1,90,2|2,0:3|0:3,0:0:0:0:
256,344,118917,5,2,1:3:0:0:
256,192,118988,12,0,123488,0:0:0:0:

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2016-08-19T14:12:48+00:00

Bonsai wrote:
ayy finally done with the rest lol

@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though?

a small reply to some of your replies :^)
Timorisu wrote:
(general:) I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff are you talking about a 10% raise in volume? mh yeah that would definitely help, but after asking a few others it seems like I tend to be exaggerating so only do it if it makes sense to you too ^^
00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore well to me the problem is that the beat is the same at the tail of (8) and at (1), but it's only clickable once which seems rather imbalanced, so I suggested stacking since that already influences how the player at behaves at the tail of (8) too as it creates tension; but while looking at some lwoer diff rn I came up with the suggestion of letting (8) reverse there as that treats them equally too and since there aren't any other 1/1-reverses nearby it would make it stick out, how about that? ^^
Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must just informing you that I asked somebody and they were surprised but it actually didn't play bad so yay ^^
01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be actually to me it's not so much about difficulty but about rhythm: 01:47:488 - 01:47:679 - 01:47:869 are rhythmically equal while 01:48:060 is the major downbeat and is thus naturally much more intense than the three previous beats musically, my suggestion of making it reverse+circle is in no way more difficult than that, if anything it's easier as there is a longer break from clicking, but it would give more appropriate emphasis from a rhytmic perspective ya ok fixed

01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4 still 1/3 to me, especially on 50%, and this melody plays 1/3 in the rest of the section too so I think that's logical
In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol *sadface*
also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll I don't, sounds definitely like this to me o: but I can ask others if you want me to ^^ (ktgster seems to agree in his diff tho ^^)

GENERAL AGAIN BC I DIDN'T NOTICE IT LAST TIME
01:46:345 - The timing signature should be 6/4 from here on and going back to 4/4 at 01:58:916 lul
I don't really know all those rhythm games but is there like a list of the diffname-progressing somewhere? bc it seems a bit weird to me to have the first seven diffs sound rather easy and then jumping from ADVANCED to EXHAUST (especially since Advanced is used in osu! for diffs between Normals and Hards), like, isn't there for example HYPER being left out (which would be used as equivalent to or slightly harder than Hard in osu!)? Might as well be from a different game but I'm just saying that it seems rather unusual to me so I'd like to see some sort of 'source' for that ^^ Idk if there's a set progression to be honest, I just used https://osu.ppy.sh/b/425449 as a guideline for the diffs in this set and asked for suggestions for the inbetween stuff like AMATEUR in modhelp
STARTER
I've asked other nominators too and we all agreed that this diff is rather unnecessary, the lack of special bigger rhythmic elements in the song/map and the repetition of slidershapes throughout all of the map makes it rather boring and not especially related to the song, BEGINNER is still a very beginner-friendly diff (duh) so I see no reason for this diff to exist at all tbh (also 'starter' and 'beginner' seem synonymous to me lol) I watched 3 livestreams of people who had a fresh install of this game and were overwhelmed by the Easy diffs of the packaged mapsets, so I thought why not make an easier diff for completely new players, as there is always a chance that a new player will be downloading your map and play the easiest diff... hopefully. Also https://osu.ppy.sh/b/741477&m=0 lol
BEGINNER
I feel a lack of differentiation at 00:28:060 (2,4) - 00:32:631 (2,4) and expecially at 00:43:488 (3,2) as there are completely different sounds on those two sliders, or they are even in completely different sections of the song, but mapped exactly the same, which seems quite monotonous to me
01:18:345 - You don't leave a 4/1-gap anywhere else in the Kiai, why here? circle would fit great imo
01:41:774 (5) - Introducing the first 1/1-slider here but then going to a spinner right afterwards seems quite random to me, would make more sense to already start the spinner here imo
01:46:345 (1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like these could all use one circle between them, the 1/1-sliders a much higher density which is immediately broken by 4/1-gaps, seems imbalanced and I think this being the last climax of the song would definitely deserve the higher density As I said before, I'd like for this section to be a breather section after the kiai, and that is in every diff. I also think that using 2/1 clicks here, which I only used on relatively intense beats in this diff, as it is an introductory diff, wouldn't go quite well with the in-diff progression and wouldn't fit the rest of the 2/1 clicks. This diff starts out with 4/1 clicks in a relatively intense section, and I don't think it should end with 2/1 clicks in a less intense one.
01:58:345 (1,2) - I'd suggest switching NCing to follow the 'delayed' downbeat in the song here, would be a nice effect imo
also applies to many higher diffs, at the very high diffs you might also just NC both~ I wouldn't like for 01:56:631 (3,1) - to be the same colours since they're very audibly different sections, but I also don't feel like having to NC both circles here (even if it's not a higher diff as you stated)... idk
BASIC
00:10:345 (2) - suggesting NC here bc why not (same for NOVICE)
also 01:01:774 (7) -
00:17:203 (5) - also suggesting NC here to represent the thrown-in 2/4-measure in the song
00:27:488 (1,2,3) - this is uneven !! AAAAA fixed also 00:30:631 (4,1) - is really huge wut
00:36:060 (5) - would be cool to differentiate these two beats from the rest a bit, rn it's literally the same as 00:36:631 (1) so I'd suggest just making it two circles (same for NOVICE)
00:40:631 - this gap seems really weird, would suggesting placing a circle here OR letting the slider reverse once so it's like at 01:18:345 -
actually I mean you're using quite a few 1/2-reverse-sliders towards the end, so I think you could also just place 1/3-reverse-sliders at these two places?
this gap-thing applies to NOVICE too again xd even with an extra-gap at 01:36:345 (3,1) - lol
on the other hand I'd suggest deleting 00:45:488 (3) to differentiate from 00:45:774 (1,2) and thus giving them more of their imo deserved emphasis
00:54:345 (4) - this really fucks up your NCing and I don't see much reason for that, how about this? And independent from that I suggest further fixing your NCing by NCing at 00:57:203 and 01:00:060 instead of 00:58:345 - Did some funky NC stuff here idk if you'll be pleased tho lol
Also I'd advise you to clean up all the minor spacing-inconsistencies a bit, like, often there is a small difference a pattern that makes a followpoint appear between one pair of objects but not appear between the next pair, or stuff like 01:24:917 (4,5,6) looks rather imbalanced, also very different compared with 01:23:774 (2,3,4) -, stuff like that could be polished throughout the whole map
01:39:774 - This gap seems random I'm mapping the high pitched whatever-that-is in this section, so I don't think it's necessary to put a circle on a much less audible kick here
ah, hitsounding-suggestion: maybe put a whistle on the body of 00:46:345 (3) -? since you did that at a few other places too
also NC at 01:42:060 (4) - ?
also NCing 01:54:917 (2,3) would seem cool imo and not make it so imbalanced
NOVICE
00:33:774 (3) - ehh I'd rather NC here instead of not NCing at all, it doesn't seem awkward since there's a special sound supporting it imo (even tho that sound appeared previously too lol w/e)
00:57:203 (4) - NC pl0x
yae
AMATEUR
00:13:203 (2,3,4) - nghngh the spacing looks really imbalanced again, I mean since most of your style for these diffs is extremely based on neat blankets everywhere I feel like it's justified to expect a higher level of polish for all of it, at this scale of spacing stuff like 00:16:631 (7,8,1) is rather easily noticable, or stuff like 00:18:917 (2,3,4) where the after-hit-approachcircle of (2) completely overlaps with the tail of (3) but has a gap to most of (4), same at 00:20:917 (2,3,4) and for example the space between the sliderbodies is slightly growing at 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4) which doesn't seem intentional either, or the slight overlap at 01:14:917 (2,3) - or 01:36:345 (2,3,4) - etc etc.. it seems like for some of those the reason is that you're mapping with GridSnap on, and together with other minor unthoughtfulness that makes a lot of your patterns look very imbalanced and impacts the overall visual appearance
00:26:345 (5) - suggesting NC
00:35:774 (5,1) - the beat at 00:36:060 being passive while the following one is active seems weird, how about just letting (5) reverse? There are no other 1/1-reverse-sliders around here so that would make it stick out quite well
00:59:488 (7,1) - would swap NC
01:13:774 (3,4) - 01:18:345 (5,6) - etc: {insert the point that I re-responded to in the HAVOC-quote which applies to pretty much all diffs from now on}The problem with these patterns in the lower diff is that fixing this by putting a repeat and a circle there is nearly impossible without breaking either the flow or the distance snap (as far as required), which is why I am keeping these patterns as they are. Besides, I don't think there's too much variation going on in here that would really warrant a repeat/circle every time...
INTERMEDIATE
uuuuuhm the first few sections are the exact same as AMATEUR, dunno what happened here but tell me when it's fixed lol
I mean the SR has a huge gap to ADVANCED so I hope fixing this diff will fix that gap, otherwise I strongly recommend nerfing 01:43:488 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) in ADVANCED as that seems really hard coming from a diff with zero 1/4s, that pattern spikes the SR of that diff by 0,4* so actually please nerf that anyways since that is a pretty big imbalance lol
ADVANCED
00:29:774 (9,1) - 00:32:060 (8,1) - 00:34:345 (8,1) - I think this is more confusing than anything else, the (8)s don't have those special sounds that are on the previous notes anyways so swaping the NCs would help in terms of differentiation too (same for EXHAUST)
00:37:631 (5,6,7) - this doesn't look like a line, try moving (6,7) 1x1 to the top and left
00:39:488 (6,7,8,9) - auto-stack-overlaps ahoy, better space that a bit more
00:44:345 - is that whistle intended lol Yes don't hate
00:48:060 (4) - 00:52:631 (5) - I'm so good at paint
00:56:060 (1,3) - suggesting to either swap NCs or NC both to keep it somewhat consistent
01:09:203 (2,1) - Having the downbeat not clickable is already rather unconventional but the NC at (1) seems even more weird so I'd suggest to switch NC here
EXHAUSTed is what I am rn (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞
00:12:631 (1,2,3,4) - missing the differentiation here as the strings double their notes, you differentiated at 00:10:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:15:203 (1,2,3) too so why not here?
00:16:631 (6,2) - hello autostack my old friend
00:51:488 (1,2,3,4) - This most likely leads to sliderbreaks as (3,4) need the player to stay notably longer on that slider than (1,2) which isn't predictable at all, how about removing the second reverses from (3,4)?
00:57:203 (3) - 01:00:060 (5) - NCs, please
01:09:203 (4,1) - this auto-stacks exactly into the direction of the sliderbody making (1) completely invisible, maybe stack it manually into the opposite direction?
01:30:631 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this looks rather ugly since I can't spot any pattern here (looks like you ran out of playfield lol), but I'm actually pointing it out bc making 1/2- and 3/4-gap look the same is rather misleading, most of the times 3/4-gaps are rather spaced like 1/1s since the second of those beats is the more prominent one, so I recommend raising that in some way It's a star pattern Also I thought you were going to suggest lowering the spacing, I'm definitely not raising this at all, lol. That'd be even more confusing
01:41:203 (3,4,5,6,7) - this is definitely 1/3
01:46:631 - uhm this section is just copypasted from/into INFINITE and HAVOC, please don't do that lol Another time lol
INFINITE
00:57:203 (3) - NCeyy
01:09:774 (2,1) - asdf swap NC pls and stack upwards like in EXHAUST so it's somehwat readable lol
01:18:726 (5,1) - spacing seems awkwardly low here after the previous rapid movement, how about smth like this?
01:20:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - better check all of this again bc the 'geometries' are shifted, e.g. the followpoint between 01:20:060 (1,2) is not orthogonal to their bodies etc wut
same at 01:57:250 (5,6,7,8) -
01:22:345 (1,2) - Why such a confusingly low spacing when the music stays the same?
01:35:773 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - auto-stacking fucking about your square lul
oke that's it for now I guess lol
generally I feel like you could've saved yourself quite some work by making the diff-gaps a bit higher, going through all of these diffs in one session rn made it seem like most of them are just a slight variation of the previous one isntead of really a new diff as there are so many patterns recurring in some diffs just with slightly higher spacing or smth like that, but oke, kudos to you for going through all that work lol The thing is, I wouldn't look at SR for this set. My goal was to make a steady progression from 4/1 to 1/4. You'll notice that the first diff is full of 4/1, the next diff is full of 2/1, the following diff is full of 1/1, the next diff is full of 1/2, etc. etc.. I tried introducing new pacing and elements with each diff, and I don't feel that the current star rating system truthfully represents this progression.

AAAAA cool mod

For now I only changed the section after the kiai in HAVOC since I'd like for you to take a look at the way I did it. I don't know if you'd agree much with the circle placement of 01:47:488 (6,7,1) - . I was debating placing it on the was-there sliderhead or sliderend and chose the sliderend, but I'm still not sure if I should rather place 01:48:060 (7) - on 01:46:917 (2) - 's sliderhead.

Blukerbeh

29 posts

Joined April 2014

Blukerbeh 2016-09-10T17:01:14+00:00

oh jesus everyone here is contributing so much im just an osu baby boy

Exhaust:

SPOILER

01:00:917 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This looks really cool in editor, but as a lot of tension is building up and the DS didn't change it feels really boring to play at this part

00:53:774 (6) - Some potential fun being left out from the kick drum here, esp since attention is being brought to it at 00:52:631 (1),

Around that time aswell there's room for playing around with a shift in timing points, (but that's not important

)

00:54:917 (1,2,3) - Can't really tell what you're mapping to for these three beats and it feels really metronome-y

Not modding this part 01:23:488 (1) - 01:30:345 (1) because it's fine but just wanted to say it's really nice

01:44:917 (5) - this blank after the slider is unnecessary, and you could follow the melody into the replicate of it

No kds bc short mod

Bonsai

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Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-09-10T18:09:12+00:00

Blukerbeh wrote:
oh jesus everyone here is contributing so much im just an osu baby boy

dw that's just me lol

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2017-02-10T15:26:14+00:00

oh, is this set alive?

where are there still diffs that are copypasting each other, hnng

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2017-02-10T17:15:53+00:00

I want to see whether or not it's possible to advance this set as is (which, to be honest, I think it's more than ready to), but if it's not I'll end up remapping some stuff. But that could only happen in a short timespan a month from now as I'm extremely busy with upcoming exams and then finals a few weeks/months later.

Bonsai

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Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2017-02-10T17:20:25+00:00

I've been waiting the past five months for you to get rid of the copypasted sections across several diffs ( = the whole first 30 seconds in Intermediate/Amateur, and everything from 01:46:631 on in your three highest diffs), as soon as you do that I can place the bubble

Timorisu

771 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Timorisu 2017-02-10T17:29:43+00:00

Last time we spoke the easiest diff was the issue as you didn't deem it fit for the song and I was very adamant about not removing it... Anyways no time for mapping right now so uh yeah

Bonsai

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Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2017-02-10T17:31:34+00:00

Oh yeah I guess I changed my mind about it / thought maybe your mind can change in the meantime, but that shouldn't keep this from getting ranked after all, sorry for that ^^;

Welp, I'll be ready whenever you are~

Winfall

23 posts

Joined January 2014

Winfall 2017-02-16T22:44:19+00:00

[HAVOC]
Map the start of the song
00:19:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - Okay this is hard to read, put NC here 00:19:774 (2,5,4) - and take the NC off this 00:20:631 (1) -
01:03:774 (4,5,1) - what the heck
01:04:345 (3,5,7,3,5,7) - NC these
01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These too to show its 1/3
01:27:488 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - what the heck
01:35:773 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Thats ridiculously hard to read
01:41:488 (4) - NC for 1/3
01:44:917 (5) - NC for distance snap change
01:46:132 (6) - Here too
01:53:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All of this isn't snapped to the beat, its offset is wrong compared to the rest of the notes

Timorisu

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Topic Starter

Timorisu 2017-02-21T22:32:35+00:00

Winfall wrote:
[HAVOC]
Map the start of the song
00:19:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - Okay this is hard to read, put NC here 00:19:774 (2,5,4) - and take the NC off this 00:20:631 (1) -
01:03:774 (4,5,1) - what the heck
01:04:345 (3,5,7,3,5,7) - NC these
01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These too to show its 1/3
01:27:488 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - what the heck
01:35:773 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Thats ridiculously hard to read
01:41:488 (4) - NC for 1/3
01:44:917 (5) - NC for distance snap change
01:46:132 (6) - Here too
01:53:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All of this isn't snapped to the beat, its offset is wrong compared to the rest of the notes

I don't understand your intentions behind any of these points as there's a clear lack of explanations following your suggestions. And just objectively viewing these changes... I disagree. Nothing adjusted :L

Bonsai

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Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2017-02-24T16:19:20+00:00

recheck

STARTER

00:27:488 (1,2) - The second edge is a bit too late, red node ain't on the slidertick
00:10:345 (1,2,3) - 01:09:774 (1,2,3,4) - 01:28:060 (1,2,3,4) - This really shows how necessary this diff is.. In an attempt to convince you once again: There was recently that streamer called loltyler who played osu! on stream for the first time, he didn't play the tutorial at all and was able to play the bundled Normal-diffs quite well except for the fact that he didn't know that he needs to hold sliders. He didn't learn that even after playing easier diffs in the next ~60 minutes either, just by finally playing the tutorial. Point being: A slider that is just one second long isn't harder to play for beginners than a slider that is double as long, it's just a matter of whether you grasp how sliders work on a fundamental level or not, and a ridiculously easy map won't make learning that more intuitive than a regular one.
Afaik, the lowest difficulty of almost every bundled mapset is a Normal, so it's no surprise that beginners might be overwhelmed by that. But that's why we got plenty of easier diffs on mapsets where they can actually represent aspects of the song through more than just tiny sliderwiggles. I mean wth, you've got a BEGINNER-diff in this mapset, which is obviously already perfectly fitting for beginners (and still pretty nonsensical considering the song), the lack of a way to express an even lower diff properly indicates the uselessness of it pretty well xd
At least map the first combo differently in order to not make it obvious as fuck that it doesn't matter what you map where bc every generic rhythm and pattern fits everywhere and that you can (and do) just copypaste everything, which is not really speaking well for map-quality. But I won't break my promise of nominating this bc that would be an asshole-move, should've actually looked at it again first, my fault. Also, the other BNs that I asked half a year ago would probably veto it, but w/e.

BEGINNER

01:09:774 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 01:18:917 (1,2,3,4) - 01:28:060 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ffs, I believe you can be more creative than copypasting two patterns for most of your Kiais

BASIC

00:20:917 (2,3,4) - Why are these suddenly spaced so much, you only use such high spacing for sliderchains, not for circles though
Generally it would be cool if you could make the visual appearance of your spacing consistent, currently half of your objects don't have followpoints in-between each other and the other half does bc at x1,02 they start to appear. Just deactivate GridSnap and fix that. At places like 00:50:345 (1,2,3) it seems like you used significantly higher spacing just to achieve symmetry, that can easily be solved more elegantly by changing the positioning of 00:48:060 (1,2,3,4) so it ends up more in the middle and placing 00:51:203 (2) on the same y-coordinate, for example.

NOVICE

00:20:631 (1,2,3) - Why is this your only stack in this entire section? All other 1/2s are spaced out.
(for clarification, I totally agree on 01:09:774 (1,2,3) being stacked bc coming out of a pause with spaced 1/2s might be hard, so this is fine, just not the other one lol)
01:18:345 - 01:36:631 - These beats being empty feels awkward bc it makes your combos end on an off-beat for no apparent reason, it seems like you wanted to avoid the 1/3-rhythm but these white ticks still have regular 1/1-beats on them so I don't see how that makes sense
01:46:345 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - .. .. .. This is the same as BASIC again.. sigh

AMATEUR

00:10:917 (3,4) versus 00:09:203 (1,2,3) - I told you to polish spacing more last time, dunno if something changed but this inconsistent visual spacing here is particularly noticable, just move (4) a bit more up/right/whatever
00:41:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - (4,5) being sliders doesn't make much sense to me since I don't hear any difference to the beats at (1,2,3,4) and it also completely kills differentiation for (6,7), those sliders having a red node is almost completely unnoticable when they are forming a pattern together with the previous objects
00:43:488 (1,2,3) - 00:48:060 (1,2,3,4) - 01:26:917 (3,4) - 01:41:203 (7) - Remove the last reverses in order to leave some buffer like at the very first object of your map lol (especially 01:41:203 (7) - bc x2,5 holy shit)
00:57:203 (1,2,3) - What about using drum-sampleset instead of soft-, the contrast of the hitsounds here is inappropriately huge imo
00:59:488 (1,2) - reduce spacing to x1.2 to keep the followpoint from appearing while still avoiding the overlap
01:16:631 (3,1,2,3) - Maybe space this out some more to avoid the kinda-overlap xd also maybe reconsider the NCs bc this is unusually dense as fuck
01:29:203 (1,2,3) - Space these out more too to avoid this combo looking broken af

INTERMEDIATE

Wow, you changed one combo every now and then to insert a 1/4 and then continued to copypaste and mirror AMATEUR again.
I feel like you don't understand what's the issue with this and just do what I tell you in order to satisfy me and get a bubble. Duplicating a map with higher difficulty-settings and inserting a 1/4 every now and then is not making a new diff. This even used to stand somewhere in the wiki at some point but I can't find it rn. People will play AMATEUR and at some point feel like "oh, I am good at this diff, time to move on the the next one!" and it's gonna be literally the same experience just with one single element added that makes it more difficult to play, even though the rest is the same. That's not how you do spread. That's why I (originally ironically) remarked that you could've saved yourself a lot of work by just mapping half as many diffs. Really, you should be intelligent enough to understand why this is utter nonsense, so I can't be bothered to explain it even more. Map a proper map or delete this diff, don't just make spread bc hurrdurr many diffs and even starrating erghblergh, that's not the point of doing spread.
If you did this the same way with the other diffs that were identical, map them properly too. Call me back when there is no more of this nonsense left in your set so I'm not wasting my time again here. Or maybe don't. Idk, ich verlier meine Nerven hier.

Timorisu

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Timorisu 2017-02-24T19:44:31+00:00

ok sorry for being uninspired and resorting to copy pasting, fixed/changed/remapped everything youve pointed out here and irc so far
sorry again, didnt mean to be this much of a trouble maker for you

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