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Topic Starter
Timorisu
Most of these are very valid points; however I don't have enough time to properly address the mod yet. I'll do so in a few days. Fixed the description for now :)
Peydey
HAVOC


00:42:917 (5,6,7,8) - Here you mapped the burst notes in the song as kick sliders but in the following timing points with the same exact notes in the song you mapped them differently as singles which don't actually represent the songs note:
00:28:917 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:33:488 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:38:345 (5,6,7,8,9) - ^

00:53:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - these streams were mapped identical, but the song is playing to completely contrasting intensities and octaves between them. Seems a bit lazy just copy pasting the same stream despite the only similarity being they're 5 note stream. The spacing in each stream should have contrast just as the music does. The first one is much lower than the livelier second.

00:54:917 (1) - Maybe increase the SV as this section opens up. Just a consideration tbh it's fine as is; I just think it'd make more sense to match those huge jumps

01:04:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I love this section. a lot. <3

01:28:060 (1) - I think the SV should have another small increase here as this section is much more intense than the previous held at 1.25 SV; it's awkward with all the jumps increasing and the sliders remaining the same.

01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - I believe the spacing should increase in this stream as well to match the brief intensity.

01:37:488 (1) - this section should follow if this one is increased ^

01:46:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a copy paste which does well to match the rhythm; however, due to an increase in intensity and key I believe the slider velocity should increase to speed up the sliders and space the streams gradually as it picks up; it seemed nice with a SV increase of .1 per combo.

^You did well in the section following this [01:55:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ] increasing the spacing there on the streams as well as the groups! But i'd consider trying out the increase in SV increase instead for the end spacing just in the same fashion as the preceding.

Maybe consider increasing AR from 9.5 to 9.7 since you have a few sections that stack a lot. still fine though. Managed entertain myself all morning modding your map. Nice song/nice map, Good Luck and I hope at least some of this is useful for you :)

Here is an edit mode of containing these mod changes if you'd like to see what they look like: http://puu.sh/pSAoZ/313f809305.osu
Topic Starter
Timorisu

waterandroid wrote:

General
  1. I think the yellow should be changed to purple since that is more present in the bg than light yellow. (Even the darkened yellow is too light when compared to the bg).
  2. AMATEUR and NOVICE are switched in your description.
  3. I think the map timing is early by 2-3 ms.
STARTER
  1. 00:27:488 (1,2) - These sliders should have the red control points directly over a slider tick.
BASIC
  1. 00:20:631 (1,2,3,4) - I think the rhythm should either match the measure before or be slider, circle, slider, circle.
  2. 01:39:203 (3) - Remove the repeat arrow, but keep the same length. I'm following the piano here, plus I feel like a downbeat is more deserving of a hitobject than a simple white tick with only a kick is
  3. 01:39:774 - Add circle. See above
AMATEUR
  1. I think the patterns here are a bit too difficult. They should be changed to a slider with a reverse arrow followed by a circle on the downbeat. They're sliders on purpose, in order to allow for more leniency and player error. I'll see what other people have to say about this though. For now, no change.
    1. 01:13:774 (3,4)
    2. 01:18:345 (5,6)
    3. 01:36:631 (3,4)
INTERMEDIATE
  1. Same issue here as with AMATEUR. Maybe not as important here since it is a higher difficulty, but I suggest it nonetheless.
    1. 01:13:774 (3,4)
    2. 01:18:345 (5,6)
    3. 01:36:631 (3,4)
  2. 01:21:131 (5) - This is the only place in the whole map where a triplet is not stacked. Deleting the circle would not destroy your pattern while ensuring there are no unstacked triplets in this diff.
  3. 01:22:345 (1) - Should be snapped to the end of this slider - 01:21:203 (1) Not possible since curved sliders are inherently shorter than straight ones, even if they're curved ever so slightly :l
  4. 01:33:774 (1,2,3,4) - Should these have a distance snap of 1x? Nope, since 01:33:774 (1,2) - is distance snapped at 1,12x I decided to follow this distance snap for the following pattern in order to get a cleaner look
ADVANCED
  1. 01:41:203 (7,8) - Should be triples rather than fourths.
  2. 01:53:488 (1) - Part of the slider is off screen on 4:3 resolutions.
EXHAUST
  1. 00:18:060 (6,7,8,9,1) - The slider doesn't line up with the straight stream. Either adjust the slider or adjust the stream. That is for symmetry with 00:16:060 (4,7,1) - . And I honestly like the slight offset on the downbeat object, gives an impact feel without actually changing (much of) the playstyle of the pattern.
INFINITE
  1. 01:13:774 (3) - A bit too high up. Says who? They don't touch the HP bar so I think they're good to go.
  2. 01:18:345 (3) - ^
LEADER'S MASTER
  1. 00:12:060 (3,4) - Improve blanket.
  2. 00:25:417 (2) - Not aligned between the sliders.
  3. 00:25:703 (4) - ^ (Especially this one)
  4. 00:25:988 (6) - ^
  5. 00:45:203 (5) - move NC from slider to here
  6. 01:10:917 (1,2) - Improve blanket.

Best of luck getting this ranked! Thank you!

Peydey wrote:

HAVOC


00:42:917 (5,6,7,8) - Here you mapped the burst notes in the song as kick sliders but in the following timing points with the same exact notes in the song you mapped them differently as singles which don't actually represent the songs note:
00:28:917 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:33:488 (5,6,7,8) - ^
00:38:345 (5,6,7,8,9) - ^ These are for consistency within patterns and sections of the song, not for consistency throughout the whole thing. A little variation doesn't hurt, but I'll give it a thought. For now, no change

00:53:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - these streams were mapped identical, but the song is playing to completely contrasting intensities and octaves between them. Seems a bit lazy just copy pasting the same stream despite the only similarity being they're 5 note stream. The spacing in each stream should have contrast just as the music does. The first one is much lower than the livelier second.

00:54:917 (1) - Maybe increase the SV as this section opens up. Just a consideration tbh it's fine as is; I just think it'd make more sense to match those huge jumps That part is much calmer than the one before though, wouldn't make much sense to up the SV just so the player can ease better into the next section. I feel like that would not represent the song as well as the current section does.

01:04:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I love this section. a lot. <3 me too thanks

01:28:060 (1) - I think the SV should have another small increase here as this section is much more intense than the previous held at 1.25 SV; it's awkward with all the jumps increasing and the sliders remaining the same.

01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - I believe the spacing should increase in this stream as well to match the brief intensity. I tried that on the INFINITE diff and didn't like it in the end, which is why I chose not to do the same with this diff

01:37:488 (1) - this section should follow if this one is increased ^

01:46:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a copy paste which does well to match the rhythm; however, due to an increase in intensity and key I believe the slider velocity should increase to speed up the sliders and space the streams gradually as it picks up; it seemed nice with a SV increase of .1 per combo.

^You did well in the section following this [01:55:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ] increasing the spacing there on the streams as well as the groups! But i'd consider trying out the increase in SV increase instead for the end spacing just in the same fashion as the preceding.

Maybe consider increasing AR from 9.5 to 9.7 since you have a few sections that stack a lot. still fine though. Managed entertain myself all morning modding your map. Nice song/nice map, Good Luck and I hope at least some of this is useful for you :)

Here is an edit mode of containing these mod changes if you'd like to see what they look like: http://puu.sh/pSAoZ/313f809305.osu
Sorry for the ultra late reply. No comment = Fixed (soonTM)
Pippi Longsocks
Oh god...This is already modded so i barely found "mistakes" in this difficulty.
Yes you heard me right.All difficulties are so good mapped and modded that i think you should always ask same people you had on this mapset to help u mod anything else.
[Havoc]
00:17:988-Add note to the stream,since if you listen bit slower,you will notice that single beat that you missed to put circle on XD.
00:58:917-Add note.

Congrats.
Get a nominator and you are ready for ranked. 8-)
Ciyus Miapah
01:57:203 (4,5) - Offscreen, please reduce the distance a bit

careful for this one
EMachine03
From #modreqs :)
(warning I kind of had to nazi mod because this thing is modded a lot already-you should get a nominator this map is ready)
General:
Resnap all notes in Novice.
Some of the sliders are a bit unnecessary or start too early. Maybe just check if they work there?
Also, I don't know if this is bad or not, but maybe the kial sections don't need to stop so often?
NOVICE:
00:12:345 (6,7) - Honestly, I think you could delete both of these.
00:14:774 (6) - 5 can stay, but I think this should be deleted.
00:25:060 (5) - This is kind of up to you. You can keep this if you want, but if you want to delete it, then you should probably delete those triplets before it or else it would sound weird. Once again, up to you.
00:37:203 (2,3) - It's kind of weird how this is the only place where this sort of right after thing is found. All of the similar sounding parts don't have this pattern. It doesn't really matter what you use, but I think it should be consistent.
01:09:917 (2) - Kind of unnecessary. This combo sounds and looks fine just with this deleted.
01:18:203 - I think there should be some beatmapping inside of this gap. It feels pretty empty.
Great map! Go get it ranked.
Topic Starter
Timorisu
Fort: Fixed

EMachine03: Only fixed and adjusted some stuff at minimal places. This diff is supposed to be an intro to 1/2 and you're basically suggesting for me to remove most of that. Plus that would make the transition from NOVICE to AMATEUR extremely hard and uneven.
7ambda


Pretty legit.
Afro
hey there pal i think the song is cool and i like how much detail you gave in #modreqs because that was the only reason i got interested enough to mod it just thought i'd mention that okay here it comse ahhhh

warning: im not a professional mapper so this is probably mainly just gonna be a lot of subjective things and might seem ranty

AMATEUR
00:22:488 (7,8,9) - same as what i said below in intermediate and advanced for the same set of notes

INTERMEDIATE
00:22:488 (7,8,9) - this i feel similar to the same notes from ADVANCED, but it doesn't seem as prevalent as a switch here. maybe its because im getting more used to it, idk (for some reason I played this one after ADVANCED)

das it though, i like this one too

ADVANCED
this was fun and around my level so yeah

00:22:488 (4,5,6) - these felt a bit weird and as if they should have had less time in between them or something. or maybe you could map them to the melody like it started with? or maybe put triples there instead, just some ideas. i felt like i was following the melody at that part but it seems like you went towards the beat and that threw me off and still does a little bit. i did some experimenting and this felt more easy to follow than feeling like switching from melody to beat: https://gyazo.com/2f7bd1e21dae1130f3ea20843a1e0b69 .

00:36:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - i really like this part. thats all, not sarcasm, i just like it a lot

00:50:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this came very quickly and was unexpected while i was playing it, took me a few times to pass. it definitely seems correct in terms of fitting in with the song but just felt like a difficulty spike to me

other than that this difficulty felt very clean, i like it

EXHAUST
00:18:060 (6,7,8,9,1) - i really hate how this isnt straight the whole way pls fix

thats about it since i cant actually pass this one very far so it feels wrong giving too much advice on it

but also i didnt really see anything else that i disliked so yeah

Sorry if this doesn't help you that much, just thought I might as well give you another opinion

Good luck!
Wormi
Quick random mod

[General]
Background should be 1366x768 and not 1365x768 if I'm not mistaken

[Havoc]
  1. Check unsnapped notes in AiMod
[Leader's Master]
  1. 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Stacking error?
  2. 00:44:345 (1) - Is this whistle necessary?
[Infinite]
  1. Fix tags
[Advanced]
  1. 01:06:345 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Wouldn't it be better if it has a progressive spacing increase instead of a brutal changement?
[Novice]
  1. Fix unsnapped notes
[Beginner]
  1. Fix Slider Multiplier in the .osu file
    it's something like SliderMultiplier:0.600000005960464
    and it should be SliderMultiplier:0.6
  2. 01:15:488 (2) - Fix DS and improve the blanket
[Starter]
  1. Fix Slider Multiplier here too

Amazing work! Best mapset I've seen in a while
Topic Starter
Timorisu
TheAfroOfDoom: didn't fix the 00:22:488 (7,8,9) - stuff since missing out on the triples that are rather prominent here feels... wrong to me

Worminators: fixed everything, thank you very much!
Nezzar
[HAVOC]
00:36:560 (1) - missing a beat before? seems weird for me
01:07:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - increase spacing for a bit?
01:23:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels like filling the 1/3 gap between them will be better, or at least space the doubles? (i.e. not stacking them)
01:25:203 (1) - http://puu.sh/qinoF/83048ff8f9.jpg maybe like this?
01:26:917 (1) - 01:27:203 (2) - maybe streams?
01:47:488 (6) - http://puu.sh/qintF/018d01808c.jpg maybe like this?
01:49:202 (6,7) - 01:50:917 (6,7) - 01:52:631 (6,7) - ^
good luck with ranking :D
Leader
Fixed mostly everything you suggested, thanks

SPOILER
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: HAVOX [NOFX].mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 69060
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.3
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 1
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.600001

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Title:HAVOX
TitleUnicode:HAVOX
Artist:BlackY vs. Yooh
ArtistUnicode:BlackY vs. Yooh
Creator:Timorisu
Version:LEADER'S MASTER
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
Tags:sdvx 3 havoc dubstep ktgster leader
BeatmapID:776907
BeatmapSetID:352555

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:7
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:9
ApproachRate:9.3
SliderMultiplier:1.8
SliderTickRate:1

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Topic Starter
Timorisu

DenierNezzar wrote:

[HAVOC]
00:36:560 (1) - missing a beat before? seems weird for me There's a nyoom sound there so I placed a circle with a whistle here
01:07:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - increase spacing for a bit? I thought about that initially but I didn't want to go too hard on the nomod players
01:23:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels like filling the 1/3 gap between them will be better, or at least space the doubles? (i.e. not stacking them) That would set them equal with the heavy beats right before. I think stacks do fine as this part is calmer than the one before
01:25:203 (1) - http://puu.sh/qinoF/83048ff8f9.jpg maybe like this? Kicks are 1/3, so this is a no-go
01:26:917 (1) - 01:27:203 (2) - maybe streams? Mhh nah
01:47:488 (6) - http://puu.sh/qintF/018d01808c.jpg maybe like this? I feel like that would distract from the actual melody too much
01:49:202 (6,7) - 01:50:917 (6,7) - 01:52:631 (6,7) - ^

good luck with ranking :D
Pozidriv
In game mod
Topic Starter
Timorisu

Pozidriv wrote:

In game mod
to elaborate we fixed 01:30:917 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) -in INFINITE to go from shit to kinda good and fixed some other minor stuff in the diff
Ethan
hi I was going to mod this but my browser stopped working and I lost the entire mod so ill just give you a kd star because this is definitely going to get ranked
Topic Starter
Timorisu
hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind
Bonsai
Holla, from #modreqs

Timorisu wrote:

hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind
I'm not so sure about this


GENERAL
  1. 01:53:203 - From here on the strings are always extremely off, ktgster's way of handling with that is close to accurate but I feel like this calls for timing sections as it's most likely not the intended rhythm by the artist lol, I'll try to ask around and if needed time it for you, but someone's able to edit that in the mp3 lol
  2. I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd
HAVOC
  1. 00:15:488 (3,4,5,6) - I don't really understand the spacing here since it gives emphasis to the offbeats, why not ctrl-g (4,5,6)?
  2. 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - When I was having my first look on this map with HT this seemed off to me since autostacking makes (2) not stack on 00:24:631 (8) etc, and when you're setting up a pentagon so nicely it's rather notably when it gets crooked, so I'm suggesting to move the stacks at least 4x4 pixels, bc then the centre of the triplet is stacking on it (I didn't notice that anywhere else though, only here, and I didn't even recognize that it was due to autostacking; just saying this bc I'm not just randomly nazi'ing ^^)
  3. 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer
  4. I don't know how many testplays of people that are at least somewhat proficient in mapping you got, but there are a few patterns where I'd really like someone's opinion on, for example 00:40:631 (4,5,6) which seems extremely irritating to me since it's spaced exactly like 00:38:203 (4,5,6) -, my suggestion would be to space it like this since that indicates that it's something different, but dunno about you.
    Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet?
  5. 00:45:203 (1,2) - This continuing the flow of the reverse here feels very underwhelming to me bc of the big interval but small spacing, would work better if (2) were swapped horizontally as it would at least break the flow, and flow would also be harder on 00:46:060 (2,3) since you'd have to turn 180° then, which would emphasize that slider quite nicely imo
  6. 00:50:345 (1,2,3,4) - Not minding that the spacing of these seems completely overdone to me, I find it weird to have such extremely fast movement here just to forcefully slow down at 00:50:917 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) again even though it's one continuous musical pattern that doesn't get any less intense at (5), I'd make that stream into sliders to and tone them down a bit xd
  7. 00:56:060 (1,2) - This feels very underwhelming too, even just ctrl-g'ing (2) would improve it a lot for me, or maybe try something like this?
  8. 01:26:203 (4) - This seems out of place rhythmically, would move it to the blue tick after since that's where the unz is at
  9. 01:55:203 (1,2,3,4) and 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) are 1/4s, just as I already mentioned incredibly off lol
    Also I feel like those streams could increase more in spacing than they do know, considering it's the final phrase of such an epic song 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) plays pretty calm ^^
  10. 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd
  11. 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually
  12. In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too)
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -
KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
  1. 00:24:060 (1,2,3,4) - You made this pattern with 00:23:774 (7,8) in mind but ingame this looks incredibly crappy because those circles aren't visible anymore lol, might as well stack (3) on (7,8) imo
  2. 00:57:204 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I heavily dislike this pattern for 3/8-3/8-2/8-rhythms because to me the even-ish spacing suggests that it's 1/3-rhythm, I incredibly hate that because I always have to look at maps using that in the editor after getting 100s at it so I know which one of the rhythms it is - Try coming up with a pattern like HAVOC's that spaces the (3,1)s less please ;_;
  3. 01:13:488 (2,3,4) - I know that theoretically DS is indicating the 1/3 here but do you really think anybody recognizes that at all? Have you gotten testplays on this?
  4. 01:23:774 (4,5) - overlap !! !!
    Might wanna space things in this whole combo more bc 01:24:346 (8,1,2) looks really messy imo lol
  5. 01:32:917 (2,3,4) - Yeah there's a piano-note audible on (3) when slowed down but for me this isn't recognizable at all in fullspeed and just plays really weird :/
  6. 01:51:203 (3) - Why are you mapping the white tick here? You ignored it previously and this plays really weird too for me xd
  7. 01:58:488 (2,3,4) - This is not a straight line if that's what you were going for :^)
  8. 00:53:774 (16,1) - waht is NCing
  9. 01:17:774 (1,2,3,4) - this already sounds like 1/3 to me
  10. 01:32:417 (7) - Sounds like the beat is emphasizing on (6) really hard but this pretty-much-overmapped circle ruins that for me in the map tbh
  11. 01:40:631 (1,2,3,4,5) - and this is the only overmapped stream that I found in the whole map, seems out of place to me tbh
LEADER'S MASTER
  1. 00:12:917 (2,3) - uhh did you do this anywhere else? seems out of place to me, stopping all the motion :(
  2. 00:20:917 (2,3) - ctrl-g'ing these plays much better for me bc sharp angles n stuff
  3. 00:45:203 (5,1) - wth, it's completely unnoticable at full speed that this low echo-ish sound is a bit delayed whereas the strong beat is clearly on the white tick, I don't think this plays well for anyone lol
  4. 00:52:631 (1) - Doesn't make much sense to me put such a strong beat that you even hitsound accordingly on a tail,a slo for differentiation purposes with 00:52:917 (2) -, why not make it two circles? Same at 01:11:774 (4) - 01:16:345 (4) - 01:39:203 (4) -
  5. 01:10:631 (6,1) - This doesn't give (6) much emphasis at all due to the smooth flow but it would deserve emphasis very well imo :( Same at 01:19:774 (4,1) - 01:20:345 (2,3) -
  6. 01:12:488 (2) - Why do you emphasize the red tick above the white tick here? I don't hear anything special on it
  7. 01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 01:27:488 (1,2,1,2) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Those are actually 1/3
  8. 01:31:203 (4,1) - I can't hear anything special on the tail of (4) warranting this rhythm and hitsounding, why not just extend it to (1)?
  9. 01:35:964 (5) - why would you put the downbeat on a tail like that ;_; btw you could map beautiful 1/3s at 01:35:488 (3,4,5) -, seems rather dull rn
Ok I'm about to go deaf bc of having to check snaps so much, I'll probably come back to have a look at the other diffs too in the next few days, sorry lol ~
Topic Starter
Timorisu

Bonsai wrote:

SPOILER
Holla, from #modreqs holla holla

Timorisu wrote:

hi and thank you but i'll take an eternity to rank this i hope you don't mind
I'm not so sure about this


GENERAL
  1. 01:53:203 - From here on the strings are always extremely off, ktgster's way of handling with that is close to accurate but I feel like this calls for timing sections as it's most likely not the intended rhythm by the artist lol, I'll try to ask around and if needed time it for you, but someone's able to edit that in the mp3 lol yeah i know but i could never find a thing im 100% satisfied with so i just stuck to 1/3. i can also go with 1/4 as you suggested for the last two streams
  2. I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff :o are you talking about a 10% raise in volume?
HAVOC
  1. 00:15:488 (3,4,5,6) - I don't really understand the spacing here since it gives emphasis to the offbeats, why not ctrl-g (4,5,6)?
  2. 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - When I was having my first look on this map with HT this seemed off to me since autostacking makes (2) not stack on 00:24:631 (8) etc, and when you're setting up a pentagon so nicely it's rather notably when it gets crooked, so I'm suggesting to move the stacks at least 4x4 pixels, bc then the centre of the triplet is stacking on it (I didn't notice that anywhere else though, only here, and I didn't even recognize that it was due to autostacking; just saying this bc I'm not just randomly nazi'ing ^^)
  3. 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore
  4. I don't know how many testplays of people that are at least somewhat proficient in mapping you got, but there are a few patterns where I'd really like someone's opinion on, for example 00:40:631 (4,5,6) which seems extremely irritating to me since it's spaced exactly like 00:38:203 (4,5,6) -, my suggestion would be to space it like this since that indicates that it's something different, but dunno about you. i think both sounds are strong enough to deserve similar spacing and patterning. while the first pattern may also have kicks going on with the drum stuff or whatever the hell that is on 00:38:345 (5,6,7) - . the stopping sounds in the second pattern are louder than the rest and as such i have also spaced them higher
    Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must
  5. 00:45:203 (1,2) - This continuing the flow of the reverse here feels very underwhelming to me bc of the big interval but small spacing, would work better if (2) were swapped horizontally as it would at least break the flow, and flow would also be harder on 00:46:060 (2,3) since you'd have to turn 180° then, which would emphasize that slider quite nicely imo i dont really see a reason to break flow though? its just 3 kicks and a dragging sound
  6. 00:50:345 (1,2,3,4) - Not minding that the spacing of these seems completely overdone to me, I find it weird to have such extremely fast movement here just to forcefully slow down at 00:50:917 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) again even though it's one continuous musical pattern that doesn't get any less intense at (5), I'd make that stream into sliders to and tone them down a bit xd
  7. 00:56:060 (1,2) - This feels very underwhelming too, even just ctrl-g'ing (2) would improve it a lot for me, or maybe try something like this?
  8. 01:26:203 (4) - This seems out of place rhythmically, would move it to the blue tick after since that's where the unz is at
  9. 01:55:203 (1,2,3,4) and 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) are 1/4s, just as I already mentioned incredibly off lol
    Also I feel like those streams could increase more in spacing than they do know, considering it's the final phrase of such an epic song 01:56:917 (1,2,3,4) plays pretty calm ^^
  10. 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be
  11. 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4
  12. In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll
Ok I'm about to go deaf bc of having to check snaps so much, I'll probably come back to have a look at the other diffs too in the next few days, sorry lol ~ sorry ):
no comment = fixed (soonTM)
ktgster
Yay first mod EVER.

No responses = fixed.

Bonsai

Bonsai wrote:

Holla, from #modreqs

KTGSTER'S GRAVITY
  1. 00:24:060 (1,2,3,4) - You made this pattern with 00:23:774 (7,8) in mind but ingame this looks incredibly crappy because those circles aren't visible anymore lol, might as well stack (3) on (7,8) imo - bit wrong on the visible part since you forgot to account for the 300 that last much longer. Stacking 3 on 7,8 loses the emphasis made on the white tick and would look off in comparison from the strange low spacing overall.
  2. 00:57:204 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I heavily dislike this pattern for 3/8-3/8-2/8-rhythms because to me the even-ish spacing suggests that it's 1/3-rhythm, I incredibly hate that because I always have to look at maps using that in the editor after getting 100s at it so I know which one of the rhythms it is - Try coming up with a pattern like HAVOC's that spaces the (3,1)s less please ;_; - changed, comment further if it's still hard to read.
  3. 01:13:488 (2,3,4) - I know that theoretically DS is indicating the 1/3 here but do you really think anybody recognizes that at all? Have you gotten testplays on this? - maybe? I increased the spacing, but no promises that would help. Considering the usage of DS in this kiai, I think its generally fine.
  4. 01:23:774 (4,5) - overlap !! !!
    Might wanna space things in this whole combo more bc 01:24:346 (8,1,2) looks really messy imo lol - spaced the 8 and 1 instead
  5. 01:32:917 (2,3,4) - Yeah there's a piano-note audible on (3) when slowed down but for me this isn't recognizable at all in fullspeed and just plays really weird :/ - changed pattern
  6. 01:51:203 (3) - Why are you mapping the white tick here? You ignored it previously and this plays really weird too for me xd - but every white tick was mapped. Changed pattern regardless
  7. 01:58:488 (2,3,4) - This is not a straight line if that's what you were going for :^)
  8. 00:53:774 (16,1) - waht is NCing
  9. 01:17:774 (1,2,3,4) - this already sounds like 1/3 to me - I hear 1/4, the only mistake was the slider which is 1/4 and not 1/3
  10. 01:32:417 (7) - Sounds like the beat is emphasizing on (6) really hard but this pretty-much-overmapped circle ruins that for me in the map tbh
  11. 01:40:631 (1,2,3,4,5) - and this is the only overmapped stream that I found in the whole map, seems out of place to me tbh - changed pattern

Diff
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7ambda
no kds cus short mod

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01:49:202 (4) - This blanket would look slightly better if you moved this two pixels right and two pixels down w/o grid snap.

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00:12:488 (6) - Looks better if moved to x:376 y:332 to keep it parallel with (4) instead of triangular with 00:11:345 (6) and 00:11:917 (3)
00:23:060 (11,12,13) - This doesn't sound like there should be a triple here; the beat sounds like it ends exactly at (10). Perhaps remove (12,13) and move (11) onto the next white tick?
Leader
Fixed most part of all the things you pointed out, thanks

SPOILER
osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 69060
Countdown: 0
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Title:HAVOX
TitleUnicode:HAVOX
Artist:BlackY vs. Yooh
ArtistUnicode:BlackY vs. Yooh
Creator:Timorisu
Version:LEADER'S MASTER
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
Tags:sdvx 3 havoc dubstep ktgster leader
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Topic Starter
Timorisu
F1r3tar: Didn't fix the stuff in Infinite because like... idk I prefer the triangle and I hear triple sounds /shrug
Bonsai
ayy finally done with the rest lol


@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though? :(


a small reply to some of your replies :^)

Timorisu wrote:

  1. (general:) I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff :o are you talking about a 10% raise in volume? mh yeah that would definitely help, but after asking a few others it seems like I tend to be exaggerating so only do it if it makes sense to you too ^^
  2. 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore well to me the problem is that the beat is the same at the tail of (8) and at (1), but it's only clickable once which seems rather imbalanced, so I suggested stacking since that already influences how the player at behaves at the tail of (8) too as it creates tension; but while looking at some lwoer diff rn I came up with the suggestion of letting (8) reverse there as that treats them equally too and since there aren't any other 1/1-reverses nearby it would make it stick out, how about that? ^^
  3. Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must just informing you that I asked somebody and they were surprised but it actually didn't play bad so yay ^^
  4. 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be actually to me it's not so much about difficulty but about rhythm: 01:47:488 - 01:47:679 - 01:47:869 are rhythmically equal while 01:48:060 is the major downbeat and is thus naturally much more intense than the three previous beats musically, my suggestion of making it reverse+circle is in no way more difficult than that, if anything it's easier as there is a longer break from clicking, but it would give more appropriate emphasis from a rhytmic perspective
  5. 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4 still 1/3 to me, especially on 50%, and this melody plays 1/3 in the rest of the section too so I think that's logical
  6. In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol *sadface*
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll I don't, sounds definitely like this to me o: but I can ask others if you want me to ^^ (ktgster seems to agree in his diff tho ^^)

GENERAL AGAIN BC I DIDN'T NOTICE IT LAST TIME
  1. 01:46:345 - The timing signature should be 6/4 from here on and going back to 4/4 at 01:58:916 lul
  2. I don't really know all those rhythm games but is there like a list of the diffname-progressing somewhere? bc it seems a bit weird to me to have the first seven diffs sound rather easy and then jumping from ADVANCED to EXHAUST (especially since Advanced is used in osu! for diffs between Normals and Hards), like, isn't there for example HYPER being left out (which would be used as equivalent to or slightly harder than Hard in osu!)? Might as well be from a different game but I'm just saying that it seems rather unusual to me so I'd like to see some sort of 'source' for that ^^
STARTER
  1. I've asked other nominators too and we all agreed that this diff is rather unnecessary, the lack of special bigger rhythmic elements in the song/map and the repetition of slidershapes throughout all of the map makes it rather boring and not especially related to the song, BEGINNER is still a very beginner-friendly diff (duh) so I see no reason for this diff to exist at all tbh (also 'starter' and 'beginner' seem synonymous to me lol)
BEGINNER
  1. I feel a lack of differentiation at 00:28:060 (2,4) - 00:32:631 (2,4) and expecially at 00:43:488 (3,2) as there are completely different sounds on those two sliders, or they are even in completely different sections of the song, but mapped exactly the same, which seems quite monotonous to me
  2. 01:18:345 - You don't leave a 4/1-gap anywhere else in the Kiai, why here? circle would fit great imo
  3. 01:41:774 (5) - Introducing the first 1/1-slider here but then going to a spinner right afterwards seems quite random to me, would make more sense to already start the spinner here imo
  4. 01:46:345 (1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like these could all use one circle between them, the 1/1-sliders a much higher density which is immediately broken by 4/1-gaps, seems imbalanced and I think this being the last climax of the song would definitely deserve the higher density
  5. 01:58:345 (1,2) - I'd suggest switching NCing to follow the 'delayed' downbeat in the song here, would be a nice effect imo
    also applies to many higher diffs, at the very high diffs you might also just NC both~
BASIC
  1. 00:10:345 (2) - suggesting NC here bc why not (same for NOVICE)
    also 01:01:774 (7) -
  2. 00:17:203 (5) - also suggesting NC here to represent the thrown-in 2/4-measure in the song
  3. 00:27:488 (1,2,3) - this is uneven !! also 00:30:631 (4,1) - is really huge
  4. 00:36:060 (5) - would be cool to differentiate these two beats from the rest a bit, rn it's literally the same as 00:36:631 (1) so I'd suggest just making it two circles (same for NOVICE)
  5. 00:40:631 - this gap seems really weird, would suggesting placing a circle here OR letting the slider reverse once so it's like at 01:18:345 -
    actually I mean you're using quite a few 1/2-reverse-sliders towards the end, so I think you could also just place 1/3-reverse-sliders at these two places?
    this gap-thing applies to NOVICE too again xd even with an extra-gap at 01:36:345 (3,1) - lol
  6. on the other hand I'd suggest deleting 00:45:488 (3) to differentiate from 00:45:774 (1,2) and thus giving them more of their imo deserved emphasis
  7. 00:54:345 (4) - this really fucks up your NCing and I don't see much reason for that, how about this? And independent from that I suggest further fixing your NCing by NCing at 00:57:203 and 01:00:060 instead of 00:58:345 -
  8. Also I'd advise you to clean up all the minor spacing-inconsistencies a bit, like, often there is a small difference a pattern that makes a followpoint appear between one pair of objects but not appear between the next pair, or stuff like 01:24:917 (4,5,6) looks rather imbalanced, also very different compared with 01:23:774 (2,3,4) -, stuff like that could be polished throughout the whole map
  9. 01:39:774 - This gap seems random
  10. ah, hitsounding-suggestion: maybe put a whistle on the body of 00:46:345 (3) -? since you did that at a few other places too
  11. also NC at 01:42:060 (4) - ?
    also NCing 01:54:917 (2,3) would seem cool imo and not make it so imbalanced
NOVICE
  1. 00:33:774 (3) - ehh I'd rather NC here instead of not NCing at all, it doesn't seem awkward since there's a special sound supporting it imo (even tho that sound appeared previously too lol w/e)
  2. 00:57:203 (4) - NC pl0x
    yae
AMATEUR
  1. 00:13:203 (2,3,4) - nghngh the spacing looks really imbalanced again, I mean since most of your style for these diffs is extremely based on neat blankets everywhere I feel like it's justified to expect a higher level of polish for all of it, at this scale of spacing stuff like 00:16:631 (7,8,1) is rather easily noticable, or stuff like 00:18:917 (2,3,4) where the after-hit-approachcircle of (2) completely overlaps with the tail of (3) but has a gap to most of (4), same at 00:20:917 (2,3,4) and for example the space between the sliderbodies is slightly growing at 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4) which doesn't seem intentional either, or the slight overlap at 01:14:917 (2,3) - or 01:36:345 (2,3,4) - etc etc.. it seems like for some of those the reason is that you're mapping with GridSnap on, and together with other minor unthoughtfulness that makes a lot of your patterns look very imbalanced and impacts the overall visual appearance
  2. 00:26:345 (5) - suggesting NC
  3. 00:35:774 (5,1) - the beat at 00:36:060 being passive while the following one is active seems weird, how about just letting (5) reverse? There are no other 1/1-reverse-sliders around here so that would make it stick out quite well
  4. 00:59:488 (7,1) - would swap NC
  5. 01:13:774 (3,4) - 01:18:345 (5,6) - etc: {insert the point that I re-responded to in the HAVOC-quote which applies to pretty much all diffs from now on}
INTERMEDIATE
  1. uuuuuhm the first few sections are the exact same as AMATEUR, dunno what happened here but tell me when it's fixed lol
    I mean the SR has a huge gap to ADVANCED so I hope fixing this diff will fix that gap, otherwise I strongly recommend nerfing 01:43:488 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) in ADVANCED as that seems really hard coming from a diff with zero 1/4s, that pattern spikes the SR of that diff by 0,4* so actually please nerf that anyways since that is a pretty big imbalance lol
ADVANCED
  1. 00:29:774 (9,1) - 00:32:060 (8,1) - 00:34:345 (8,1) - I think this is more confusing than anything else, the (8)s don't have those special sounds that are on the previous notes anyways so swaping the NCs would help in terms of differentiation too (same for EXHAUST)
  2. 00:37:631 (5,6,7) - this doesn't look like a line, try moving (6,7) 1x1 to the top and left
  3. 00:39:488 (6,7,8,9) - auto-stack-overlaps ahoy, better space that a bit more
  4. 00:44:345 - is that whistle intended lol
  5. 00:48:060 (4) - 00:52:631 (5) - I'm so good at paint
  6. 00:56:060 (1,3) - suggesting to either swap NCs or NC both to keep it somewhat consistent
  7. 01:09:203 (2,1) - Having the downbeat not clickable is already rather unconventional but the NC at (1) seems even more weird so I'd suggest to switch NC here
EXHAUSTed is what I am rn (☞゚∀゚)☞
  1. 00:12:631 (1,2,3,4) - missing the differentiation here as the strings double their notes, you differentiated at 00:10:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:15:203 (1,2,3) too so why not here?
  2. 00:16:631 (6,2) - hello autostack my old friend
  3. 00:51:488 (1,2,3,4) - This most likely leads to sliderbreaks as (3,4) need the player to stay notably longer on that slider than (1,2) which isn't predictable at all, how about removing the second reverses from (3,4)?
  4. 00:57:203 (3) - 01:00:060 (5) - NCs, please
  5. 01:09:203 (4,1) - this auto-stacks exactly into the direction of the sliderbody making (1) completely invisible, maybe stack it manually into the opposite direction?
  6. 01:30:631 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this looks rather ugly since I can't spot any pattern here (looks like you ran out of playfield lol), but I'm actually pointing it out bc making 1/2- and 3/4-gap look the same is rather misleading, most of the times 3/4-gaps are rather spaced like 1/1s since the second of those beats is the more prominent one, so I recommend raising that in some way
  7. 01:41:203 (3,4,5,6,7) - this is definitely 1/3
  8. 01:46:631 - uhm this section is just copypasted from/into INFINITE and HAVOC, please don't do that lol
INFINITE
  1. 00:57:203 (3) - NCeyy
  2. 01:09:774 (2,1) - asdf swap NC pls and stack upwards like in EXHAUST so it's somehwat readable lol
  3. 01:18:726 (5,1) - spacing seems awkwardly low here after the previous rapid movement, how about smth like this?
  4. 01:20:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - better check all of this again bc the 'geometries' are shifted, e.g. the followpoint between 01:20:060 (1,2) is not orthogonal to their bodies etc
    same at 01:57:250 (5,6,7,8) -
  5. 01:22:345 (1,2) - Why such a confusingly low spacing when the music stays the same?
  6. 01:35:773 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - auto-stacking fucking about your square lul
oke that's it for now I guess lol
generally I feel like you could've saved yourself quite some work by making the diff-gaps a bit higher, going through all of these diffs in one session rn made it seem like most of them are just a slight variation of the previous one isntead of really a new diff as there are so many patterns recurring in some diffs just with slightly higher spacing or smth like that, but oke, kudos to you for going through all that work lol
Leader

Bonsai wrote:

@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though? :(
Sorry! I had little time when I fixed so I will post now
Bonsai

Bonsai wrote:

LEADER'S MASTER
  1. 00:12:917 (2,3) - uhh did you do this anywhere else? seems out of place to me, stopping all the motion :( I know I did this only once through the whole map but it works fine! I don't think it stops all the motion, it even emphasizes the sound in 00:12:917 - and doesn't have anything bad
  2. 00:20:917 (2,3) - ctrl-g'ing these plays much better for me bc sharp angles n stuff
  3. 00:45:203 (5,1) - wth, it's completely unnoticable at full speed that this low echo-ish sound is a bit delayed whereas the strong beat is clearly on the white tick, I don't think this plays well for anyone lol
  4. 00:52:631 (1) - Doesn't make much sense to me put such a strong beat that you even hitsound accordingly on a tail,a slo for differentiation purposes with 00:52:917 (2) -, why not make it two circles? Same at 01:11:774 (4) - 01:16:345 (4) - 01:39:203 (4) - I didn't apply this on the last two timestamps since I believe they are fine as it is now, can't feel a stronger beat than the previous two
  5. 01:10:631 (6,1) - This doesn't give (6) much emphasis at all due to the smooth flow but it would deserve emphasis very well imo :( Same at 01:19:774 (4,1) - 01:20:345 (2,3) - I don't really have a problem with it, I believe they are emphasized enough and doesn't need any further fix
  6. 01:12:488 (2) - Why do you emphasize the red tick above the white tick here? I don't hear anything special on it For rhythm variation's sake, I guess
  7. 01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 01:27:488 (1,2,1,2) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Those are actually 1/3
  8. 01:31:203 (4,1) - I can't hear anything special on the tail of (4) warranting this rhythm and hitsounding, why not just extend it to (1)? Two 3/4 sliders in a row are quite boring and annoying to play, I used two different patterns to make it prettier to play
  9. 01:35:964 (5) - why would you put the downbeat on a tail like that ;_; btw you could map beautiful 1/3s at 01:35:488 (3,4,5) -, seems rather dull rn

I fixed something that I forgot, here you go Timo
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Topic Starter
Timorisu

Bonsai wrote:

ayy finally done with the rest lol


@Leader: Could you give me a reason for the few points that you denied though? :(


a small reply to some of your replies :^)

Timorisu wrote:

  1. (general:) I can't hear the hitsounds at all at many places, basically all the noisy Kiai-parts where a clickable filler-note has only soft-hitnormal and nothing else, I can barely hear those when turning music-volume to 25%, try doing something different at those places or just turn the general volume up bc this song is loud af xd i dont really have any problems hearing stuff :o are you talking about a 10% raise in volume? mh yeah that would definitely help, but after asking a few others it seems like I tend to be exaggerating so only do it if it makes sense to you too ^^
  2. 00:35:774 (8,1) - I feel like this would have a cooler effect when stacked tbh, since there's already that special beat on 00:36:060
    Would probably also make 00:36:560 (1,2) easier to read since it's closer i'd like for this to stay unstacked, partially because of consistency throughout the other diffs, and partially because i think the kick/whistle combo/triplet deserves some movement. but i reduced the distance to the following double a little so its not as harsh anymore well to me the problem is that the beat is the same at the tail of (8) and at (1), but it's only clickable once which seems rather imbalanced, so I suggested stacking since that already influences how the player at behaves at the tail of (8) too as it creates tension; but while looking at some lwoer diff rn I came up with the suggestion of letting (8) reverse there as that treats them equally too and since there aren't any other 1/1-reverses nearby it would make it stick out, how about that? ^^
  3. Another thing that seems bad to play for me and would need testplaying is 00:38:488 (6,7,8,9,10,1) bc the flow seems murderous here, have you got any feedback on this yet? uh ive had 3 testplays from 1k+ people and no one has mentioned this. i can gather a few more though if i must just informing you that I asked somebody and they were surprised but it actually didn't play bad so yay ^^
  4. 01:47:488 (6,7) - Again all of those feeling extremely underwhelming, making (6) reverse and then putting a circle somewhere would literally give it more kick xd my plan for this section was for it to be a small breathing part after the kiai and before the then intensifying outro again, which is why it's not as hard or difficult as it could be actually to me it's not so much about difficulty but about rhythm: 01:47:488 - 01:47:679 - 01:47:869 are rhythmically equal while 01:48:060 is the major downbeat and is thus naturally much more intense than the three previous beats musically, my suggestion of making it reverse+circle is in no way more difficult than that, if anything it's easier as there is a longer break from clicking, but it would give more appropriate emphasis from a rhytmic perspective ya ok fixed
  5. 01:20:917 (4,5,6,7) - 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:41:203 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - those are 1/3 actually uh i think the first one is still 1/4 still 1/3 to me, especially on 50%, and this melody plays 1/3 in the rest of the section too so I think that's logical
  6. In case you care: 00:17:274 (2) is overmapped (in Infinity too) ik lol *sadface*
    also like half of this stream, don't really know what that's mapped to 01:32:060 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - call me hearing disabled but if i listen at 100/75 i hear a drumroll I don't, sounds definitely like this to me o: but I can ask others if you want me to ^^ (ktgster seems to agree in his diff tho ^^)

GENERAL AGAIN BC I DIDN'T NOTICE IT LAST TIME
  1. 01:46:345 - The timing signature should be 6/4 from here on and going back to 4/4 at 01:58:916 lul
  2. I don't really know all those rhythm games but is there like a list of the diffname-progressing somewhere? bc it seems a bit weird to me to have the first seven diffs sound rather easy and then jumping from ADVANCED to EXHAUST (especially since Advanced is used in osu! for diffs between Normals and Hards), like, isn't there for example HYPER being left out (which would be used as equivalent to or slightly harder than Hard in osu!)? Might as well be from a different game but I'm just saying that it seems rather unusual to me so I'd like to see some sort of 'source' for that ^^ Idk if there's a set progression to be honest, I just used https://osu.ppy.sh/b/425449 as a guideline for the diffs in this set and asked for suggestions for the inbetween stuff like AMATEUR in modhelp
STARTER
  1. I've asked other nominators too and we all agreed that this diff is rather unnecessary, the lack of special bigger rhythmic elements in the song/map and the repetition of slidershapes throughout all of the map makes it rather boring and not especially related to the song, BEGINNER is still a very beginner-friendly diff (duh) so I see no reason for this diff to exist at all tbh (also 'starter' and 'beginner' seem synonymous to me lol) I watched 3 livestreams of people who had a fresh install of this game and were overwhelmed by the Easy diffs of the packaged mapsets, so I thought why not make an easier diff for completely new players, as there is always a chance that a new player will be downloading your map and play the easiest diff... hopefully. Also https://osu.ppy.sh/b/741477&m=0 lol
BEGINNER
  1. I feel a lack of differentiation at 00:28:060 (2,4) - 00:32:631 (2,4) and expecially at 00:43:488 (3,2) as there are completely different sounds on those two sliders, or they are even in completely different sections of the song, but mapped exactly the same, which seems quite monotonous to me
  2. 01:18:345 - You don't leave a 4/1-gap anywhere else in the Kiai, why here? circle would fit great imo
  3. 01:41:774 (5) - Introducing the first 1/1-slider here but then going to a spinner right afterwards seems quite random to me, would make more sense to already start the spinner here imo
  4. 01:46:345 (1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like these could all use one circle between them, the 1/1-sliders a much higher density which is immediately broken by 4/1-gaps, seems imbalanced and I think this being the last climax of the song would definitely deserve the higher density As I said before, I'd like for this section to be a breather section after the kiai, and that is in every diff. I also think that using 2/1 clicks here, which I only used on relatively intense beats in this diff, as it is an introductory diff, wouldn't go quite well with the in-diff progression and wouldn't fit the rest of the 2/1 clicks. This diff starts out with 4/1 clicks in a relatively intense section, and I don't think it should end with 2/1 clicks in a less intense one.
  5. 01:58:345 (1,2) - I'd suggest switching NCing to follow the 'delayed' downbeat in the song here, would be a nice effect imo
    also applies to many higher diffs, at the very high diffs you might also just NC both~ I wouldn't like for 01:56:631 (3,1) - to be the same colours since they're very audibly different sections, but I also don't feel like having to NC both circles here (even if it's not a higher diff as you stated)... idk
BASIC
  1. 00:10:345 (2) - suggesting NC here bc why not (same for NOVICE)
    also 01:01:774 (7) -
  2. 00:17:203 (5) - also suggesting NC here to represent the thrown-in 2/4-measure in the song
  3. 00:27:488 (1,2,3) - this is uneven !! AAAAA fixed also 00:30:631 (4,1) - is really huge wut
  4. 00:36:060 (5) - would be cool to differentiate these two beats from the rest a bit, rn it's literally the same as 00:36:631 (1) so I'd suggest just making it two circles (same for NOVICE)
  5. 00:40:631 - this gap seems really weird, would suggesting placing a circle here OR letting the slider reverse once so it's like at 01:18:345 -
    actually I mean you're using quite a few 1/2-reverse-sliders towards the end, so I think you could also just place 1/3-reverse-sliders at these two places?
    this gap-thing applies to NOVICE too again xd even with an extra-gap at 01:36:345 (3,1) - lol
  6. on the other hand I'd suggest deleting 00:45:488 (3) to differentiate from 00:45:774 (1,2) and thus giving them more of their imo deserved emphasis
  7. 00:54:345 (4) - this really fucks up your NCing and I don't see much reason for that, how about this? And independent from that I suggest further fixing your NCing by NCing at 00:57:203 and 01:00:060 instead of 00:58:345 - Did some funky NC stuff here idk if you'll be pleased tho lol
  8. Also I'd advise you to clean up all the minor spacing-inconsistencies a bit, like, often there is a small difference a pattern that makes a followpoint appear between one pair of objects but not appear between the next pair, or stuff like 01:24:917 (4,5,6) looks rather imbalanced, also very different compared with 01:23:774 (2,3,4) -, stuff like that could be polished throughout the whole map
  9. 01:39:774 - This gap seems random I'm mapping the high pitched whatever-that-is in this section, so I don't think it's necessary to put a circle on a much less audible kick here
  10. ah, hitsounding-suggestion: maybe put a whistle on the body of 00:46:345 (3) -? since you did that at a few other places too
  11. also NC at 01:42:060 (4) - ?
    also NCing 01:54:917 (2,3) would seem cool imo and not make it so imbalanced
NOVICE
  1. 00:33:774 (3) - ehh I'd rather NC here instead of not NCing at all, it doesn't seem awkward since there's a special sound supporting it imo (even tho that sound appeared previously too lol w/e)
  2. 00:57:203 (4) - NC pl0x
    yae
AMATEUR
  1. 00:13:203 (2,3,4) - nghngh the spacing looks really imbalanced again, I mean since most of your style for these diffs is extremely based on neat blankets everywhere I feel like it's justified to expect a higher level of polish for all of it, at this scale of spacing stuff like 00:16:631 (7,8,1) is rather easily noticable, or stuff like 00:18:917 (2,3,4) where the after-hit-approachcircle of (2) completely overlaps with the tail of (3) but has a gap to most of (4), same at 00:20:917 (2,3,4) and for example the space between the sliderbodies is slightly growing at 00:25:203 (1,2,3,4) which doesn't seem intentional either, or the slight overlap at 01:14:917 (2,3) - or 01:36:345 (2,3,4) - etc etc.. it seems like for some of those the reason is that you're mapping with GridSnap on, and together with other minor unthoughtfulness that makes a lot of your patterns look very imbalanced and impacts the overall visual appearance
  2. 00:26:345 (5) - suggesting NC
  3. 00:35:774 (5,1) - the beat at 00:36:060 being passive while the following one is active seems weird, how about just letting (5) reverse? There are no other 1/1-reverse-sliders around here so that would make it stick out quite well
  4. 00:59:488 (7,1) - would swap NC
  5. 01:13:774 (3,4) - 01:18:345 (5,6) - etc: {insert the point that I re-responded to in the HAVOC-quote which applies to pretty much all diffs from now on}The problem with these patterns in the lower diff is that fixing this by putting a repeat and a circle there is nearly impossible without breaking either the flow or the distance snap (as far as required), which is why I am keeping these patterns as they are. Besides, I don't think there's too much variation going on in here that would really warrant a repeat/circle every time...
INTERMEDIATE
  1. uuuuuhm the first few sections are the exact same as AMATEUR, dunno what happened here but tell me when it's fixed lol
    I mean the SR has a huge gap to ADVANCED so I hope fixing this diff will fix that gap, otherwise I strongly recommend nerfing 01:43:488 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) in ADVANCED as that seems really hard coming from a diff with zero 1/4s, that pattern spikes the SR of that diff by 0,4* so actually please nerf that anyways since that is a pretty big imbalance lol
ADVANCED
  1. 00:29:774 (9,1) - 00:32:060 (8,1) - 00:34:345 (8,1) - I think this is more confusing than anything else, the (8)s don't have those special sounds that are on the previous notes anyways so swaping the NCs would help in terms of differentiation too (same for EXHAUST)
  2. 00:37:631 (5,6,7) - this doesn't look like a line, try moving (6,7) 1x1 to the top and left
  3. 00:39:488 (6,7,8,9) - auto-stack-overlaps ahoy, better space that a bit more
  4. 00:44:345 - is that whistle intended lol Yes don't hate
  5. 00:48:060 (4) - 00:52:631 (5) - I'm so good at paint
  6. 00:56:060 (1,3) - suggesting to either swap NCs or NC both to keep it somewhat consistent
  7. 01:09:203 (2,1) - Having the downbeat not clickable is already rather unconventional but the NC at (1) seems even more weird so I'd suggest to switch NC here
EXHAUSTed is what I am rn (☞゚∀゚)☞
  1. 00:12:631 (1,2,3,4) - missing the differentiation here as the strings double their notes, you differentiated at 00:10:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:15:203 (1,2,3) too so why not here?
  2. 00:16:631 (6,2) - hello autostack my old friend
  3. 00:51:488 (1,2,3,4) - This most likely leads to sliderbreaks as (3,4) need the player to stay notably longer on that slider than (1,2) which isn't predictable at all, how about removing the second reverses from (3,4)?
  4. 00:57:203 (3) - 01:00:060 (5) - NCs, please
  5. 01:09:203 (4,1) - this auto-stacks exactly into the direction of the sliderbody making (1) completely invisible, maybe stack it manually into the opposite direction?
  6. 01:30:631 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this looks rather ugly since I can't spot any pattern here (looks like you ran out of playfield lol), but I'm actually pointing it out bc making 1/2- and 3/4-gap look the same is rather misleading, most of the times 3/4-gaps are rather spaced like 1/1s since the second of those beats is the more prominent one, so I recommend raising that in some way It's a star pattern :( Also I thought you were going to suggest lowering the spacing, I'm definitely not raising this at all, lol. That'd be even more confusing
  7. 01:41:203 (3,4,5,6,7) - this is definitely 1/3
  8. 01:46:631 - uhm this section is just copypasted from/into INFINITE and HAVOC, please don't do that lol Another time lol
INFINITE
  1. 00:57:203 (3) - NCeyy
  2. 01:09:774 (2,1) - asdf swap NC pls and stack upwards like in EXHAUST so it's somehwat readable lol
  3. 01:18:726 (5,1) - spacing seems awkwardly low here after the previous rapid movement, how about smth like this?
  4. 01:20:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - better check all of this again bc the 'geometries' are shifted, e.g. the followpoint between 01:20:060 (1,2) is not orthogonal to their bodies etc wut
    same at 01:57:250 (5,6,7,8) -
  5. 01:22:345 (1,2) - Why such a confusingly low spacing when the music stays the same?
  6. 01:35:773 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - auto-stacking fucking about your square lul
oke that's it for now I guess lol
generally I feel like you could've saved yourself quite some work by making the diff-gaps a bit higher, going through all of these diffs in one session rn made it seem like most of them are just a slight variation of the previous one isntead of really a new diff as there are so many patterns recurring in some diffs just with slightly higher spacing or smth like that, but oke, kudos to you for going through all that work lol The thing is, I wouldn't look at SR for this set. My goal was to make a steady progression from 4/1 to 1/4. You'll notice that the first diff is full of 4/1, the next diff is full of 2/1, the following diff is full of 1/1, the next diff is full of 1/2, etc. etc.. I tried introducing new pacing and elements with each diff, and I don't feel that the current star rating system truthfully represents this progression.
AAAAA cool mod

For now I only changed the section after the kiai in HAVOC since I'd like for you to take a look at the way I did it. I don't know if you'd agree much with the circle placement of 01:47:488 (6,7,1) - . I was debating placing it on the was-there sliderhead or sliderend and chose the sliderend, but I'm still not sure if I should rather place 01:48:060 (7) - on 01:46:917 (2) - 's sliderhead.
Blukerbeh
oh jesus everyone here is contributing so much im just an osu baby boy

Exhaust:
SPOILER
01:00:917 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This looks really cool in editor, but as a lot of tension is building up and the DS didn't change it feels really boring to play at this part

00:53:774 (6) - Some potential fun being left out from the kick drum here, esp since attention is being brought to it at 00:52:631 (1),

Around that time aswell there's room for playing around with a shift in timing points, (but that's not important :oops: )

00:54:917 (1,2,3) - Can't really tell what you're mapping to for these three beats and it feels really metronome-y

Not modding this part 01:23:488 (1) - 01:30:345 (1) because it's fine but just wanted to say it's really nice

01:44:917 (5) - this blank after the slider is unnecessary, and you could follow the melody into the replicate of it
No kds bc short mod
Bonsai

Blukerbeh wrote:

oh jesus everyone here is contributing so much im just an osu baby boy
dw that's just me lol
Bonsai
oh, is this set alive?

where are there still diffs that are copypasting each other, hnng
Topic Starter
Timorisu
I want to see whether or not it's possible to advance this set as is (which, to be honest, I think it's more than ready to), but if it's not I'll end up remapping some stuff. But that could only happen in a short timespan a month from now as I'm extremely busy with upcoming exams and then finals a few weeks/months later.
Bonsai
I've been waiting the past five months for you to get rid of the copypasted sections across several diffs ( = the whole first 30 seconds in Intermediate/Amateur, and everything from 01:46:631 on in your three highest diffs), as soon as you do that I can place the bubble 8-)
Topic Starter
Timorisu
Last time we spoke the easiest diff was the issue as you didn't deem it fit for the song and I was very adamant about not removing it... Anyways no time for mapping right now so uh yeah
Bonsai
Oh yeah I guess I changed my mind about it / thought maybe your mind can change in the meantime, but that shouldn't keep this from getting ranked after all, sorry for that ^^;

Welp, I'll be ready whenever you are~
Winfall
[HAVOC]
Map the start of the song
00:19:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - Okay this is hard to read, put NC here 00:19:774 (2,5,4) - and take the NC off this 00:20:631 (1) -
01:03:774 (4,5,1) - what the heck
01:04:345 (3,5,7,3,5,7) - NC these
01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These too to show its 1/3
01:27:488 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - what the heck
01:35:773 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Thats ridiculously hard to read
01:41:488 (4) - NC for 1/3
01:44:917 (5) - NC for distance snap change
01:46:132 (6) - Here too
01:53:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All of this isn't snapped to the beat, its offset is wrong compared to the rest of the notes
Topic Starter
Timorisu

Winfall wrote:

[HAVOC]
Map the start of the song
00:19:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - Okay this is hard to read, put NC here 00:19:774 (2,5,4) - and take the NC off this 00:20:631 (1) -
01:03:774 (4,5,1) - what the heck
01:04:345 (3,5,7,3,5,7) - NC these
01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These too to show its 1/3
01:27:488 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - what the heck
01:35:773 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Thats ridiculously hard to read
01:41:488 (4) - NC for 1/3
01:44:917 (5) - NC for distance snap change
01:46:132 (6) - Here too
01:53:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All of this isn't snapped to the beat, its offset is wrong compared to the rest of the notes
I don't understand your intentions behind any of these points as there's a clear lack of explanations following your suggestions. And just objectively viewing these changes... I disagree. Nothing adjusted :L
Bonsai
recheck

STARTER
  1. 00:27:488 (1,2) - The second edge is a bit too late, red node ain't on the slidertick
  2. 00:10:345 (1,2,3) - 01:09:774 (1,2,3,4) - 01:28:060 (1,2,3,4) - This really shows how necessary this diff is.. In an attempt to convince you once again: There was recently that streamer called loltyler who played osu! on stream for the first time, he didn't play the tutorial at all and was able to play the bundled Normal-diffs quite well except for the fact that he didn't know that he needs to hold sliders. He didn't learn that even after playing easier diffs in the next ~60 minutes either, just by finally playing the tutorial. Point being: A slider that is just one second long isn't harder to play for beginners than a slider that is double as long, it's just a matter of whether you grasp how sliders work on a fundamental level or not, and a ridiculously easy map won't make learning that more intuitive than a regular one.
    Afaik, the lowest difficulty of almost every bundled mapset is a Normal, so it's no surprise that beginners might be overwhelmed by that. But that's why we got plenty of easier diffs on mapsets where they can actually represent aspects of the song through more than just tiny sliderwiggles. I mean wth, you've got a BEGINNER-diff in this mapset, which is obviously already perfectly fitting for beginners (and still pretty nonsensical considering the song), the lack of a way to express an even lower diff properly indicates the uselessness of it pretty well xd
    At least map the first combo differently in order to not make it obvious as fuck that it doesn't matter what you map where bc every generic rhythm and pattern fits everywhere and that you can (and do) just copypaste everything, which is not really speaking well for map-quality. But I won't break my promise of nominating this bc that would be an asshole-move, should've actually looked at it again first, my fault. Also, the other BNs that I asked half a year ago would probably veto it, but w/e.
BEGINNER
  1. 01:09:774 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 01:18:917 (1,2,3,4) - 01:28:060 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ffs, I believe you can be more creative than copypasting two patterns for most of your Kiais
BASIC
  1. 00:20:917 (2,3,4) - Why are these suddenly spaced so much, you only use such high spacing for sliderchains, not for circles though
  2. Generally it would be cool if you could make the visual appearance of your spacing consistent, currently half of your objects don't have followpoints in-between each other and the other half does bc at x1,02 they start to appear. Just deactivate GridSnap and fix that. At places like 00:50:345 (1,2,3) it seems like you used significantly higher spacing just to achieve symmetry, that can easily be solved more elegantly by changing the positioning of 00:48:060 (1,2,3,4) so it ends up more in the middle and placing 00:51:203 (2) on the same y-coordinate, for example.
NOVICE
  1. 00:20:631 (1,2,3) - Why is this your only stack in this entire section? All other 1/2s are spaced out.
    (for clarification, I totally agree on 01:09:774 (1,2,3) being stacked bc coming out of a pause with spaced 1/2s might be hard, so this is fine, just not the other one lol)
  2. 01:18:345 - 01:36:631 - These beats being empty feels awkward bc it makes your combos end on an off-beat for no apparent reason, it seems like you wanted to avoid the 1/3-rhythm but these white ticks still have regular 1/1-beats on them so I don't see how that makes sense
  3. 01:46:345 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - .. .. .. This is the same as BASIC again.. sigh
AMATEUR
  1. 00:10:917 (3,4) versus 00:09:203 (1,2,3) - I told you to polish spacing more last time, dunno if something changed but this inconsistent visual spacing here is particularly noticable, just move (4) a bit more up/right/whatever
  2. 00:41:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - (4,5) being sliders doesn't make much sense to me since I don't hear any difference to the beats at (1,2,3,4) and it also completely kills differentiation for (6,7), those sliders having a red node is almost completely unnoticable when they are forming a pattern together with the previous objects
  3. 00:43:488 (1,2,3) - 00:48:060 (1,2,3,4) - 01:26:917 (3,4) - 01:41:203 (7) - Remove the last reverses in order to leave some buffer like at the very first object of your map lol (especially 01:41:203 (7) - bc x2,5 holy shit)
  4. 00:57:203 (1,2,3) - What about using drum-sampleset instead of soft-, the contrast of the hitsounds here is inappropriately huge imo
  5. 00:59:488 (1,2) - reduce spacing to x1.2 to keep the followpoint from appearing while still avoiding the overlap
  6. 01:16:631 (3,1,2,3) - Maybe space this out some more to avoid the kinda-overlap xd also maybe reconsider the NCs bc this is unusually dense as fuck
  7. 01:29:203 (1,2,3) - Space these out more too to avoid this combo looking broken af
INTERMEDIATE
  1. Wow, you changed one combo every now and then to insert a 1/4 and then continued to copypaste and mirror AMATEUR again.
    I feel like you don't understand what's the issue with this and just do what I tell you in order to satisfy me and get a bubble. Duplicating a map with higher difficulty-settings and inserting a 1/4 every now and then is not making a new diff. This even used to stand somewhere in the wiki at some point but I can't find it rn. People will play AMATEUR and at some point feel like "oh, I am good at this diff, time to move on the the next one!" and it's gonna be literally the same experience just with one single element added that makes it more difficult to play, even though the rest is the same. That's not how you do spread. That's why I (originally ironically) remarked that you could've saved yourself a lot of work by just mapping half as many diffs. Really, you should be intelligent enough to understand why this is utter nonsense, so I can't be bothered to explain it even more. Map a proper map or delete this diff, don't just make spread bc hurrdurr many diffs and even starrating erghblergh, that's not the point of doing spread.
    If you did this the same way with the other diffs that were identical, map them properly too. Call me back when there is no more of this nonsense left in your set so I'm not wasting my time again here. Or maybe don't. Idk, ich verlier meine Nerven hier.
Topic Starter
Timorisu
ok sorry for being uninspired and resorting to copy pasting, fixed/changed/remapped everything youve pointed out here and irc so far
sorry again, didnt mean to be this much of a trouble maker for you
Bonsai
I'm like Jesus but instead of three days I need three weeks

re-re-re-check of above diffs:

BASIC
00:10:345 (1,3) - dunno why I didn't mention it before but I feel like arranging the objects in some way that breaks the triangle-structure but avoids this overlap would look cleaner, (imperfect) triangles are way less noticable than an overlap
NOVICE
01:18:345 - 01:36:631 - are still empty o:
AMATEUR
00:48:060 (1,2,3,4) - still have no buffer-gap
00:57:203 (1,2,3) - applies to all diffs but I'm pointing it out here: Why aren't you using hitnormals on the heads of those sliders / their respective objects in all other diffs? those beats are still as strong as all the others o:

moving on ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

INTERMEDIATE
  1. 00:10:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this combo still being the same as AMATEUR and having that spacing-imbalance at 00:10:917 (3,4) that you fixed in AMATEUR is nghnghgnh lol
  2. 00:36:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Telling 1/4s apart from 1/2 is incredibly hard here, would strongly recommend to space the 1/4s our more like at 00:14:345 (6,7,8) - etc to make this easier to read
  3. 01:44:631 (3,4,5) - beat-placement doesn't make sense to me here, you put a circle on a rather minor beat at (4) but didn't use one at 01:46:345 even tho that's clearly much stronger and starting the new section, would delete / swap (if you don't add a circle to (5) maybe NC it since it's a very different sound n all that stuff
  4. 01:28:060 (1,2,3,4) - (3,4) is much closer visually than the others and doesn't have a followpoint showing up lol
  5. 01:34:345 (3,4,5,1) - seems like you wanted the followpoint to be vertical but autostacking ruins this completely lol
  6. 01:35:488 (3,4) - I think this is a bit too tricky for this difficulty-level, the spacing doesn't indicate the unusual rhythm of (3), and (4) being mostly hidden under (2) makes it even more surprising that you actually have to click (4) so early, would recommend using appropriate DS here, or doing it like at 01:41:203 (7) - where you just added one more reverse, idk what you like more
  7. 01:54:631 (5,1) - 01:56:346 (5,1) - Are those not lining up on purpose? looks a bit broken to me
  8. 01:58:917 (3) - just my taste but I feel like stacking (3) there doesn't do the strong beat justice, would come up with a different pattern for (1,2,3) to avoid that and maybe even NC (3) but that's just me
EXHAUST
  1. 00:36:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - watch out for autostacks ruining the patterning here a lot lol
  2. 00:44:345 - the normal-whistle seems unintentional ^^ and also appears in all of your higher diffs too
  3. 00:54:060 (1,2,3,4) - followpoint between (2,3) and lewd almost-touching of (3,4) makes this look pretty imbalanced
  4. 01:12:917 (4,2) - improper stack, DQ pls
  5. 01:31:774 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - I feel like this would fit the music a lot better if the second combo wouldn't simply continue the flow but change the direction of rotation instead, basically like swapping 01:32:917 (2,4) - but in a way that isn't completely weird, maybe you can come up with something
  6. 01:35:488 (3,4,5,6) - seems a bit unintuitive to fully click 1/3s here, have you thought about using a slider instead of (4,5)? but if that doesn't work for you feel free to keep it ofc, just suggesting~
  7. 01:45:774 (6) - as mentioned in a different diff I'd suggest NCing this
  8. 01:46:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 01:50:060 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - nghhhhhhhhhhh, can you differentiate the second pair of combos in at least some way from the first? xddd also applying to INFINITE and HAVOC
  9. 01:53:012 (7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I feel like making (7,1) be far away from each other would help not getting a 100 on (1), like just moving the whole combo into the left half of the playfield or smth; and the opposite applies to (6,7) which would avoid a guaranteed 100 if it were spaced less, maybe placing (7) at where (1) is (and slightly adjusting bc it isn't forming a straight line rn), and maybe also NCing (7) to indicate it a bit more too :/
    last point applying to all following combos too
HAVOC
  1. 01:43:203 (7,8) - these being more spaced than (5,6) seems random to me as I can't hear anything special in the music and you're not really doing a build-up either bc 01:43:345 (8,1) - is smaller again, so I think just rotating those with the same spacing as (5,6) is enough
  2. 01:58:917 (1) - the NC completely destroys the aesthetic of that pattern, you didn't NC it in other diffs either when it was unfitting, why here? o:
  3. 01:57:022 (2,4) - those should be snapped
    also in Leader's diff 01:57:523 (4,5) - should be snapped too
other diff(s) are fine, GDs should be fine too

yey I can get kds again bc smth was remapped lol
Doyak
Asked by Bonsai about the lowest diff.

Timorisu wrote:

I watched 3 livestreams of people who had a fresh install of this game and were overwhelmed by the Easy diffs of the packaged mapsets, so I thought why not make an easier diff for completely new players, as there is always a chance that a new player will be downloading your map and play the easiest diff... hopefully. Also https://osu.ppy.sh/b/741477&m=0 lol
It is true that many mapsets' lowest diffs are actually quite hard for newbies. However, apart from being easy, beatmaps should represent a reasonable amount of beats in the music, so that they still can be beatmaps that follow the specific music. And especially with such an intense song, sparse maps like this can barely represent any aspect of the music.

If you still can represent some special beat patterns that lives inside this specific music with that amount of notes then it's probably fine. But it's almost impossible to do that with this intense & fast song. I can see that you tried to do this through some red anchors in some sliders, but they really have little to no effect at all compared to actual notes. You also didn't do that for all sliders so it's even less effective.

And if you say that you want a reeeeeeeeeeally easy diff that a newcomer can even SS, I don't think it's necessary. The difficulty for newbies mostly comes from understanding the basic rules of the game rather than note intensity. Also it's a sure thing that new players should struggle to learn the basics of the game instead of getting SS instantly. This should be done in more teaching way rather than providing huge empty spaces between every notes, which will barely tell the players anything.

Your BEGINNER diff is already far more than enough to be the lowest diff. It already has no elements even a new player would struggle because it's too dense, so I don't see a reason to make something less dense than that.

And as you stated about that Monstrata map... We already know that it was just for memes and for a large set, and not the purpose of providing really easy maps for newbies. And we know that we don't want these kind of things in ranked section anymore. And did you know that there were 2 BNs got kicked out when they qualified a set that tried to do the same thing? We don't want to repeat same mistakes from the past (ofc this map isn't that much but still).
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