This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2010년 8월 17일 화요일 at 오전 2:04:54

Artist: Shin Hae Chul
Title: Sticks and Stones
Source: Guilty Gear XX #Reload: The Midnight Carnival
Tags: jam kuradoberi arc system works playstation sony samiljul
BPM: 150
Filesize: 8089kb
Play Time: 03:04
Difficulties Available:

1. 31's Taiko (4.89 stars, 870 notes)
2. Easy (2.02 stars, 199 notes)
3. Hard (4.71 stars, 407 notes)
4. Insane (5 stars, 553 notes)
5. Madness (5 stars, 519 notes)
6. Normal (3.6 stars, 294 notes)

Download: Shin Hae Chul - Sticks and Stones
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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If you were download this map when it was on pending, Plz redownload.
I just hope you can enjoy this map. This is only reason why I make the map. then...

HEAVEN OR HELL?
LET'S ROCK!!!

Difficult jump very fun ~ XD

star--

ㅁ한자7

high quality beatmaps!

Difficulty XD

Madness;

There are numerous sliders here that are unrankable; the start and end of a slider CANNOT overlap.

Here's the thing. I don't think there's any need for the Madness difficulty when you have one as hard as Insane already. Madness just seems like difficulty for the sake of it, something I'm not a great fan of.

I just fix them all. I really didn't know about that criteria.
(but as I know, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/9029 this map has that kind of slider too. It is on 01:48:709, but it was ranked. that criteria is really work? or, if 'hold' SB is there it is allowed?)

I have reason for [Madness]. It is a little long story. anyway, I can not give up my [Madness]. thx.

EDIT 1 : well, that was old map before that rule. I understand. and thx for your recheck and kindness, DiamondCrash.

star ??? !! ^o^

이건 별을 주지 않을수 없군

[Madness]

02:49:632 (1,2,3) - I'd prefer if (2) was under slider beginning and (3) under slider end for this pattern (and for next 3 copy-pasted)

madness as it is :]

[Insane]

00:20:842 (1,2,3,4,5), 00:24:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6), 00:26:842 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - too much stacking. It's readable but not really fun.

00:44:841 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I usually use <1.0x spacing for such patterns, so sliders and circles slightly overlap each other

01:21:838 (2,3) - better make it 3 circles, I think

02:48:232 (2,3) - ^

[Hard]

00:19:242 (1,2) - I'd made that a slightly curved bezier slider, like 01:55:236 (1)

00:22:442 (1,2) - ^

[Easy]

00:08:043 (3) - a bit non-symmetrical (press ctrl-h to see that)

01:12:839 (4,5) - probably hard to read for newbies

[General]

for some reason, it didn't imort [Normal] when I downloaded the .osz file. Had to download manually.

Remove the .osb and fullsubmit.

It loads default hit300/100/50 images, I would prefer using my own.

That's all.

I'm very thank you, Tkiller.

~_~

jamp very fun!

I'll give you star

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I can't speak English very well.

Umm... i'll use korean :3

[Easy]
00:15:043 (4,1) - 이지에서 이런 방식의 슬라이더 끝에 스택되는 노트는 좋지 않습니다. 왠만하면 수정 부탁드릴게요.

[Normal]
01:23:238 (1,6) - 좀더 아름답게[?] 보이기 위해 01:21:238 (4)와 겹치게 하는것을 추천드립니다.
02:37:633 (1) - 여기에 왜 뉴콤보가 있을까요 ㅇㅅㅇ

[Hard]
00:39:241 (1) - 여기에 왜 뉴콤보가 있을까요 ㅇㅁㅇ
01:46:036 (1) - ^

[Insane]
00:16:442 (1) - 뉴 콤보를 지워주세요
00:17:242 (1) - ^

으음... 전체적으로 큰 문제점은 없네요 ㅇㅅㅇ
Star :3

　

Download: Shin Hae Chul - Sticks and Stones (Bikko) [31's Taiko].osu

모딩 감사드립니다 문프라형님 (_ _)

Hey there, sure I'll mod your map!

General
Your current .mp3 has a bit rate of 320kbps. It should be under 256kbps, so lower the quality a bit
Why is the BPM 150.01? Just make it 150BPM
Your skin is AWESOME. Seriously, especially the spinner, and I usually hate spinners XD
The song is really cool too *_*

Easy
It kinda feels bordering on the easy+ side, but I thought this was really fun to play XD
00:30:441 (3 - 5) - Move one grid right
00:51:040 (3) - I think it would sound better if you moved this to the previous white tick (00:50:840)
01:21:638 (3) - Move one grid left
01:24:038 (3, 4) - Right one grid
01:26:438 (1) - Same thing
01:29:238 (end of 2) - Move slightly closer to (1) of next combo?
01:45:636 (1) - Change whistle to finish?
01:46:836 (end of 2) - Move down one grid
01:49:636 (3) - Lol spacing. Move one grid right
01:52:036 (1) - Change to finish?
01:58:436 (1) - Same here
02:17:434 (3) - Again, move to previous white tick (02:17:234)
02:33:633 (5) - New combo here (if you do, remove new combo on next note)
Most of these are minor things, so really nice difficulty!

Normal
00:19:242 (1) - Change whistle to finish
Some really nice patterns going on here
01:10:439 (6) - Change to finish? If you do I suggest also changing the hitsounds on (4, 5)
01:36:037 (5) - New combo
01:52:036 (1) - Change hitsound to finish
01:58:436 (1) - Same thing
02:04:835 (1) - Add finish (I think it sounds good and it keeps it consistent with the part coming right after)
02:17:634 - Put a circle here?
03:02:431 (5) - New combo
I really like this as well ^_^

Hard
00:13:243 (2) - Move one grid right
01:04:039 (1, 3) - Move left one grid
01:08:039 (4 - 6) - Move one right
02:37:633 (3, 4) - Move (3) one grid right and (4) two. Also maybe start slanting them upward slightly so the end of (4) is closer to (1)?

By the way, I watched Insane and Madness just for the heck of it, and the appears to be a lack of hitsounds throughout half of the song (like the beginning and in the middle). Is this intentional? O_o Also, lol at Insane having a higher max score than Madness

ANYWAYS. Really awesome mapset (from what I can tell anyway, haha) so +1 star!
EDIT: I forgot to press the "Star this map!" button OTL

Take this star

star

I like this map. (only tried Easy and normal diff) and watched madness with auto on. And i really like the easy and normal one. normal being the favorite though. not much to point out in my opinion.

star from here.

I'm very thank you, EvianBubble.

EDIT : hitsounds of [I] and [M] were modified

EDIT2 : BPM and Offset was modified. 150.01 BPM, 44 MS -> 150 BPM, 40 MS. note resnapping and slider recalcultating was complete, and I checked all parts of the mapset and remade some parts manually.

EDIT3 :

01:46:836 (end of 2) - Move down one grid
moved 2/3 grid down (....well, I'm so silly)
modified

without gird snap, 1 gird is 8x8. so, 2/3 gird down is impossible. I mistooks. just understand 'moved it slightly'

EDIT4 : My mp3 file was recompressed. actually, There was no different :P

Guilty Gear! :D
Aw, Korean mix. I liked the jp one better. Conveys the fast-paced adrenaline rush better to me. Ah well.
Oh, uh, as per your request: (congrats on the rank! :D)

[Skin]
The reverse arrow kind of sticks out as it is. Maybe have a more transparent background and a brighter color on the arrow itself?
With that hitcricle overlay, I'd use darker colors on the slider tracks instead of white.
I didn't know you could associate sounds with combobursts. That's awesome. Were these from the kr voice set as well? I remember Jam being incredibly annoying with the kr voice set, hehe. Air slash all day and annoying my friends was the best.
There's a couple pixels in your hp bar that you may have forgotten to delete.

[General]
Um, this stack leniency is unrankable.
Remove "Game" from tags. It'll be in the genre.

[Easy]
Actually, looks good. Nice.

[Normal]
00:48:040 (1) - Maybe lower this a few grids/curve it a bit to reduce overlap? Breaking distance snap for this small thing won't matter.
Nice, nice.

[Hard]
01:21:238 (4,5,6) - Maybe reverse these three so that they're facing the opposite direction?

[samijul]
Should see if you can get a taiko bg for this. Jam's head is being cut off by the play field.
Sounds fine to me, as usual. :P

[Insane]
Where are the hit sounds? So few of them in this diff.
Holy crap, those jumps are crazy. Too hard for me. T_T

[Madness]
HP drain 9? That's way too high - especially on a jumpy map like this when you expect to have a higher amount of misses.
Kind of lacking in hit sounds on this one too.
Difficulty is way too high for me to mod, sorry.

A lot of symmetry style mapping, so it's hard for me to do much suggesting, hehe. Looks great, though, beyond the ridiculous difficulty on Madness. :P

I really didn't know about that critical error of my mapset. most of mappers doesn't care about that much... but that was cleary unrankable. I'm very thank you Garven.


EDIT : Slider border was modified

EDIT2 : hitsounds of [I] and [M] were modified, Taiko BG added

Bikko wrote:

With that hitcricle overlay, I'd use darker colors on the slider tracks instead of white.
oh, how can I change it? I want to change it, but I don't know how to change it.

Go into each of your difficulties, go to File -> Open .osu in Notepad
Scroll down to the [Colours] section, and add this line:
SliderBorder : 0,0,0

(0, 0, 0 will make it black, 255,255,255 is white). Change at your leisure until you find a good one that matches the overlay.

Don't kudosu, please.

I just modify them. Thank you again Garven.

good luck!

별~~

YEAH!

star~

Al2e mod.

[Madness]___★★
- Sound
01:32:840 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Don't put clap for many time. It a bit annoy. You can put like (Clap> None >Clap >None...)
- Spacing
03:04:040 (1,2) - You see what problem is? (The spacing is too far)
- Other.
This diff. put a lot of jump.That was not a human can do.
When you use mouse to play this game you will find that. It is impossable.

[Insane]___★★
- Spacing
00:15:240 (1,2) - Too far
00:16:640 (2,1) - ^
00:17:040 (2,1) - ^
01:06:640 (4,1) - ^
01:16:240 (15,1) - ^
01:24:440 (5,1) - ^
01:37:040 (4,1) - ^
01:51:840 (4,1) - ^
01:58:440 (1,2) - ^
02:43:040 (5,1) - ^
- Others
There was the same problem in this diff..
You make a map for people. is making fun for them.
But this jumping map isn't.

[Hard]___★★★★
- Sound
00:38:840 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - A lot of wistle
00:42:440 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - ^
00:48:840 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - ^
02:04:840 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^
02:08:440 (2,3,4,5,6) - ^
02:15:240 (2,3,4,5) - ^
- Others
This map is greater than other one.

[Normal]___
No Problem!

[Easy]___
No Problem!

[All]
You get one your name in the list!

It is a good map, but use a lot of x2.0. So, if you can change, change it.

STAR!

Sry for the delay…

[General]
Soft clap sounds terribly…

[Normal]
01:36:040 (1,2,3,4) - Sooooooo many finish

Can't find too much and just give a star

al2e10 :



yangzd88 :



Thank you al2e10, yangzd88.

EDIT : not much, just some misspelling fixed.

Modding legend:

Major issues in the map: it is highly recommended to fix them.
Minor issue in the map: you don't have to follow them exactly, but I recommend you to.
Suggestions: those are personal opinions, feel free to follow them or not.
Possible fix suggestion.
If there's one black bold line in the whole mod post, I won't star the map. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS DOESN'T MEAN I WILL STAR THE MAP IF THERE IS NO BLACK BOLD LINE. Learn to mathematical implication.

Easy:
Fine.

Normal:
Fine.

Hard:
Fine.

Insane:
Soooo many random jumps and unreadable patterns...

Madness:
Random jumps.
02:04:240 (1) - Hidden by the 300/100 when the spinner... But seeing how many objects were hidden throughout the diff, I guess it was made on purpose.

31's taiko:
Very nice diff.

Hm... Here's your star.

bah, nothing changed. but Odaril you deserves to get kudosu. because of I had no idea about stacked with spinner note before I know about you. and Thx for your kindness.

star ~_<

............

Good map

Minor IRC modding.

Glass wrote:

Minor IRC modding.

You gave me just one simple sentence, but you have changed [H], [I] and [M]'s sound totaly different lol. That was not minor modding :)

I'll update soon.

EDIT : updated

star

E N I I I I isn't a good thing, seeing as taiko doesnt "really" count could you make hard below 4.5 stars or so?
The maximum width allowed for a combo burst is 500 so resize yours, as far as I know rest of the folder is ok
(some small nazi suggestions)

Easy:
01:18:440 (4,5) - align

Normal:
00:46:840 (4) - stack with the previous "1"

Hard:
02:52:840 (1) - stack with the previous "4"

Taiko:
~

Insane:
nice patterns
01:06:640 (4,1) - don't like this jump
01:09:840 (3,1) - ^
01:13:040 (15,1) - ^
01:16:240 (15,1) - ^

Madness:
harsh hp drain but looks good

*star*

I'm afraid if I pressure you. I'm very sorry about this. I'm really hurry now T T
Thanks for your kindness, James2250!

EDIT : comboburst.png file was resized.
EDIT2 : Oh, I forgot to give you kudosu, I'm really terrible orz

취침시간이여서......
제 멋대로 나가 죄송합니다. <(_ _)>


madness 피 빨리는 속도를 1단계 낮추시는게 좋을 것 같습니다.
별다른 문제는 없는 것 같군요 뭐 더 자세히 봐야겠지만
내일 다시 찾아오겠습니다.

그거 저도 고려는 정말 해봤습니다만, 지금 Madness의 Hp Drain이 하나라도 줄어들면 난이도가 Insane 밑으로 가게 됩니다. Insane의 Hp Drain도 같이 줄이는 것도 생각해 봤습니다만, Madness의 Hp Drain 1 tick을 줄이기 위해서 Insane의 HP drain을 5 tick 낮춰야 합니다. 그렇다고 Circle Size나 Overall Diffculty를 조절할 수는 없는 노릇이고요. 맵 상당 부분을 수정하든지, 리맵하는 것 말곤 방법이 없습니다;

예, 물론 그냥 Madness가 Insane 밑으로 내려가는 걸 감수하는 방법도 있습니다만... 이건 정말 하고 싶지 않습니다.


EDIT : 언랭사유 찾아내 수정했습니다. 소스에 괄호를 사용하는 것이 안 된답니다. 고쳐놓았습니다. 비트맵 리스팅에서 별난이도 5.07도 걱정스러웠는데, 이건 상관없답니다.

this map thought me how to jump :>

Hello Bikko.I hope my modding will be useful somehow.
It's way too long,so check spoilerboxes.

[Easy]

[Normal]

[Hard]

[31's Taiko]
Hope it's fine.

[Insane]
Nice work on hitsounds.Leave them as they are.

[Madness]
Touchscreen,huh?
I like your hitsound work.
Just mind on adding some triple claps,like this:
01:19:640 (3)
But I think it's fine enough.

Nice work,good luck to you!
Star~

HappyKangaroo You are so Ni--------ce!

EDIT : some comment in detail.

Bikko's mapset is awesome

Bubbled.

To BAT who will mod this map: I suggest reading whole thread before modding this.

I'm terrible.... I really want to hang myself...

I just found critical flaw in my map, [I] diff.

when I check it before bubbled, accidently I push 01:13:340 (1-15) whole combo to some wrong place. (In fact, I'm not sure when it happend exactly.)

These combos are not an fatal error even in wrong place, because of my map is jump map, and It is not so far its spacing. so minyeob give me bubble. but it was really not intentional. It was totaly mistakes. I didn't want this pattern. Originally, It was stacked with 01:10:240 (1-15).

So, I should fix it. I must fix it. because of This mistakes against my logic of jump spacing totally.

I'm waiting next BAT now, I leave this message for it. If this map can pass you, I want to get chance to fix it.

EDIT : fixed, but mayhem is in Bikko's head

Sorry..im late T.T

a quick irc mod

no kudosu


~star~