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arcwinolivirus
I believe this is acceptable since it is higher than 5.25 which is stated in RC (but never told about the gaps though..)
We really need some clarification about the gap thing :v QATs got this~

Anyway, congrats~
pocket-Gao
不管图最终啥命运 我都永远永远永远支持
Charles445
http://puu.sh/gsnFC/815877c55f.png
Jacks on weak finger make me sad
Nanatsu

Charles445 wrote:

http://puu.sh/gsnFC/815877c55f.png
Jacks on weak finger make me sad

Depend on players' skill. lol'd. It's not even trill
Charles445

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

Charles445 wrote:

http://puu.sh/gsnFC/815877c55f.png
Jacks on weak finger make me sad

Depend on players' skill. lol'd. It's not even trill
It also depends on where it is / what it's paired with.
It's on the Insane so it was pretty unexpected considering the Insane is mostly stream and hold focused.
Spy

Paulmrm wrote:

Aren't SR gaps wider than 1.5 stars unrankable? The gap between Insane's star rating and Ex-ray's is 1.87.
Nobody said 1.5 stars gap is unrankable.
Fullerene-

Spy wrote:

Paulmrm wrote:

Aren't SR gaps wider than 1.5 stars unrankable? The gap between Insane's star rating and Ex-ray's is 1.87.
Nobody said 1.5 stars gap is unrankable.
I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.

why does anyone care about star rating anyway it's broken
shionelove

Fullerene- wrote:

I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.

why does anyone care about star rating anyway it's broken
logically
Spy

Fullerene- wrote:

I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.
1.5 is the standard discussed by me and ExPew. Actually I didn't say it in public. And we just said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I remember I wrote in ShiRen board before, but I wrote, "unacceptable", is there anyone can't distinguish "unacceptable" and "unrankable" ?
So, why should I say it clearly ? Controlling gap well is mapper and BN's jobs. From start to finish, how come "unrankable" ? I don't get it, and I never heard that.

About bubble popping, it is not my business, every BN's standard is different, I don't understand why you can take a map popped by this reason to show me about it.

All in all, over 1.5 stars not means unrankable, but it is not mean will 100% acceptable for mania QATs.
shionelove

Spy wrote:

Fullerene- wrote:

I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.
1.5 is the standard discussed by me and ExPew. Actually I didn't say it in public. And we just said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I remember I wrote in ShiRen board before, but I wrote, "unacceptable", is there anyone can't distinguish "unacceptable" and "unrankable" ?
So, why should I say it clearly ? Controlling gap well is mapper and BN's jobs. From start to finish, how come "unrankable" ? I don't get it, and I never heard that.
when Negative Legacy thing you guys forced that mappers to make less gap
they made really hard effort,you know,because you are experienced mapper
but this time you won't unrank this or even consider,just say not logical thing
hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ
Spy

shionelove wrote:

when Negative Legacy thing you guys forced that mappers to make less gap
they made really hard effort,you know,because you are experienced mapper
but this time you won't unrank this or even consider,just say not logical thing
hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ
QATs' works are not only one can decide it, it have to discuss.
About "hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ", I can't get your logic. I've said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I've discussed with other QATs, still wait for response, do you know that ? I think you're not. You only see the side of a thing.
I still can't get what you want to express. Your behavior is just like as my mistake that post your twitter in the thread before.
Be mature, okay ? We're talking about the map, not the relationship. Stop your nonsense.
shionelove

Spy wrote:

QATs' works are not only one can decide it, it have to discuss.
About "hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ", I can't get your logic. I've said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I've discussed with other QATs, still wait for response, do you know that ? I think you're not. You only see the side of a thing.
I still can't get what you want to express. Your behavior is just like as my mistake that post your twitter in the thread before.
Be mature, okay ? We're talking about the map, not the relationship. Stop your nonsense.
ok then i talk about this map
this map has more than 1.5 gap
when Negative Legacy unranked,BN(then BAT)forced mapper to make less gap then 1.5
and QAT or another BAT don't disagree this opinion
so if you don't DQ this map,it's not unfair
WITHOUT QUALITY thing,this map should be unrank
1.8 gap is too more than 1.5
Spy

shionelove wrote:

ok then i talk about this map
this map has more than 1.5 gap
when Negative Legacy unranked,BN(then BAT)forced mapper to make less gap then 1.5
and QAT or another BAT don't disagree this opinion
so if you don't DQ this map,it's not unfair
WITHOUT QUALITY thing,this map should be unrank
1.8 gap is too more than 1.5
Oh please. I've said, "All in all, over 1.5 stars not means unrankable, but it is not mean will 100% acceptable for mania QATs."
You're BN, do you hope there is a map qualified by you then be disqualified by the gap issue ? They just want to be strict.
About Negative Legacy, when it be disqualified, and be disagree by another QAT, but did you see I said any words about that there ?
If I don't disqualify this map, it is unfair ? How come ? And I really dislike to repeat same thing again and again. I've said, "I've discussed with other QATs, still wait for response, do you know that ?"
Finally, according to your words, if I don't disqualify AiAe, it is unfair too, right ?

I really can't get your logic clearly, your words are really vexatious, anyway I'll wait for other QATs for the response.
[ A v a l o n ]
i enjoy to play this beatmap . . .

anyway,
gratz, ljqandylee :D
Loctav
Blah, read the ranking criteria. Unwritten rules do not exist. Stop that bullshit, please.
Kamikaze
Wow, why do you always bring up AiAe as example for everything Spy?
Spy

-Kamikaze- wrote:

Wow, why do you always bring up AiAe as example for everything Spy?
It's a standard example, if you noticed that.
Gaps, star ratings, or what else. But anyway AiAe is not what I want to discuss.
Pinecone
If it's not something you want to discuss,
why do you bring it up every time?
Spy

Hazelnut- wrote:

If it's not something you want to discuss,
why do you bring it up every time?
Oh god, please.
There was a person took Negative Legacy as example that be popped by gap issue.
And I take AiAe for the example, the gap is big but ranked. If you don't hope I take AiAe as example, hmm, maybe you should give me better one for the example. :P

I hope you can just read the posts, understand why I take it as example.
If you want to ask why I always take AiAe for example, I just can say I often remind AiAe in the first moment.
Starry-
Guys, really?
Even more unneeded drama.
I suppose no one read my post about the 1.5 gap thing last page. Whatever.

Also, QAT's are not responsible for the work of BNs, nor do BNs reflect what the QAT think. It was an 'unwritten' rule for a reason - it doesn't exist. It was only used as a guideline to help judging a map's spread, nothing more. BNs popping maps back then for the 1.5 thing does not mean 'oh, this is a rule now.' That BN must have misunderstood.

I really don't understand why there has to be drama in half of all the qualified mania map threads. It's getting really ridiculous at this point.

Again, just wait for the discretion of another QAT about this mapset. I'm surprised no one has pointed out any other issues yet, being too busy discussing the star rating difference and nothing more.
Pinecone

Spy wrote:

Hazelnut- wrote:

If it's not something you want to discuss,
why do you bring it up every time?
Oh god, please.
There was a person took Negative Legacy as example that be popped by gap issue.
And I take AiAe for the example, the gap is big but ranked. If you don't hope I take AiAe as example, hmm, maybe you should give me better one for the example. :P

I hope you can just read the posts, understand why I take it as example.
If you want to ask why I always take AiAe for example, I just can say I often remind AiAe in the first moment.
Gotcha. I was just curious.
Spy
I hope I've solved you guys questions, anyway, I've called Roxas to check this map.
Takane6
Orz... Lets make a conclusion here ._.

Spy wrote:

All in all, over 1.5 stars not means unrankable, but it is not mean will 100% acceptable for mania QATs.

Oke... It means 1.5 is an unwritten rule.. which means you can make the gap with "more than 1.5" if its make sense?
hm... if following the conclusion... it means AiAe, HAELEQUIN, Nanatsu Issenzakura, Kakushigoto, Renatus, er... so many maps with that gap issuess should be no problem , right?
Question: then can you tell us what should we do to make a map with the "make sense gap even its more than 1.5"? and "100% acceptable for mania QATs?" so this problem can be solved more quickly... and because you are QAT too ._.

Starry- wrote:

I'm surprised no one has pointed out any other issues yet, being too busy discussing the star rating difference and nothing more.
There are issues.. but its not "unrank" issues... because its ranked anyway :3

anyway... the jack broke my fingers xD
Ichigaki

Takane6 wrote:

Orz... Lets make a conclusion here ._.

Question: then can you tell us what should we do to make a map with the "make sense gap even its more than 1.5"? and "100% acceptable for mania QATs?" so this problem can be solved more quickly... and because you are QAT too ._.
Just think on this and i hope this is my best answer on it (Actually it's a final question lol). So which is better, make a maps that have gap more than 1.5 or make a maps that have gap less than 1.5?
puxtu

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

Arief Santosa
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Akasha-
The map already moved into ranked status, its cant be disqualified for anymore reasons now and forever
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