vahn10 wrote:

I hate speedchanges so much

baraatje123 wrote:

This is only for Taiko and Mania, and why would it screw up? @Sunlyx

Sunlyx wrote:

wouldnt that like, well.. because that speedchange is part of the song and how the dude mapped the song enabling a speedblock entirely screw that up ? e_e

_Gezo_ wrote:

Did someone say Cmod ?

If so, if it ever gets implemented, it shouldn't be ranked at all. SV changes are part of the map, taking out such things equals taking them out of the chart in a separate file. Same goes for Taiko mode, where such things do not exist at all.

xelivous wrote:

leaf - i is mapped for standard, and is an autoconvert
you're trying to get a mod made for a mode using a map made for another mode as an example

if a mania-specific map has a problem with terrible SV changes it's a problem with the ranking criteria for mania maps allowing extremely bad SV changes to get through. so there's really no reason for this mod tbh.

xelivous wrote:

if a mania-specific map has a problem with terrible SV changes it's a problem with the ranking criteria for mania maps allowing extremely bad SV changes to get through. so there's really no reason for this mod tbh.

-Trophy- wrote:

Majority of the fun mania maps are unranked

_Gezo_ wrote:

xelivous wrote:

leaf - i is mapped for standard, and is an autoconvert
you're trying to get a mod made for a mode using a map made for another mode as an example

if a mania-specific map has a problem with terrible SV changes it's a problem with the ranking criteria for mania maps allowing extremely bad SV changes to get through. so there's really no reason for this mod tbh.

care to explain more why you're against ? I is an example of a song with inconstant BPM. You wouldn't say the same if the map was made for mania.

PyaKura wrote:

Agreed with Conflict having (ososick!!) big SV changes and the result is pretty nice if you ask me. SVs must fit the song to look good and feel nice to play.
I like to use SV changes in my own mapsets and they make them less... plain, or boring.

I can see this mod implemented as an unranked mod.

Ryu Sei wrote:

The speedblock mod should ignore all SV/BPM changes

Redon wrote:

I find it hard to believe there are people out there who honestly believe that basing scrolling speed off SV is a good idea, or even that any mapper should be given the tools to change scrolling speed mid-song for that matter.

"It's unnecessarily difficult to read, annoying, and everyone hates it! What, change it? No."
"It's part of the map, you see!"
"X has always been annoying garbage, so don't improve things because it would be unfair to those who had to play annoying garbage in the past."

It's hard to read these posts without going mad. Perhaps it's better not to care. Though one day, I'll probably end up writing a big(ger) rant to point out just how retarded I find the way scrolling speeds are currently handled truly is.

That is all.

bomber34 wrote:

I still don't understand why there is shouldn't be a "mod" like this when the mod itself would be
A) totally optional
B) reducing score so much, nobody would play it for getting a good rank or being completly unranked at all.

If people enjoy the map more with just one speed instead of changes then why shouldn't they be allowed to do so?
It would still be something "optiional" like any other mod.


On the other hand you can always blame the modding process for bad speed changes (mode-specific) or old super BPM changing maps that are most likely auto converted.
But still: why is something that would be totally optional a bad thing?

Chamelo_Th wrote:

My beatmap also contain SV changes, where it enchants playing experience and make my map a lot more beautiful.
I see no reason this should be implemented.

Chamelo_Th wrote:

It's like standard player must adapt with the distance snap change tho.

bomber34 wrote:

99% of taiko player probably believe there is a must to have hitting different keys for blue and red hits ... there is still relax mod to just use one key for all (and that is unranked, nobody complains)

bomber34 wrote:

well some people believe their SB (which they create for the map extra ...) enchants the experience and makes it a lot more beautiful
Visual Settings --> disable SB

well hitsounds are a must in every game mode and a lot of people think it enchants the playing experience and makes the song a lot more beautiful but people still can play without it by setting effect volume to 0% in sound options

99% of taiko player probably believe there is a must to have hitting different keys for blue and red hits ... there is still relax mod to just use one key for all (and that is unranked, nobody complains)

You can either use relax to not click in standard (which could be argued as bad since the slogan of the game is: rhythm is just a click away)

there is Auto Pilot ... which moves the cursor for you (unranked mod)

overall osu! is great, because it allows a lot of options to play the game in a way you prefer even if more than 50% of players will never use it

- if it is that terrible of a mod in regards for competetive play: go unrank for it

Redon wrote:

-Kamikaze- wrote:

wat, Are you actually saying that all o2jam maps are bad? Well made SV changes are hell of a fun (DJPop's Smoooch for example) just learn to play them.

I wasn't calling any maps bad. What I'm saying is that even when used sensibly, scrolling speed changes add very little or nothing to the quality of a map - They'd be just as fun without them. Considering that, I really don't think that little luxury is worth the SV horror we currently put up with especially on auto converts.

In my personal opinion, both mappers and the game should keep their hands off scrolling speeds and approach rates, and let the user configure it based on preference. You know, instead of having to stick a piece of paper over half my taiko screen.

It evens the odds for all and makes the game more fun.

Redon wrote:

Wouldn't the way you put it make it a very subjective matter? I enjoyed that map you mentioned, especially the way the hit sounding was done, but I personally thought the SV changes were awful. I do not think they were fun.

As a player, I don't want to be left wondering if my game just had a hiccup, or if that was the mapper trying to be creative with extreme SV changes. Although I don't understand how you could enjoy that, I can respect that you do, and in the same spirit I don't think it's a good idea to force it on people who find it extremely unintuitive and irritating.