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Hating Popular Things Without Experiencing Them. Inspired by coldtooth thread

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Manishh
Wrote all of this in ColdTooth thread about Omori But didnt wanted to derail the topic. Though, I think its a good topic to have a discussion about.


I have never played or watched gameplay of Omori, but what interests me is the concept of hating something because others love it. I think it's called contrarianism? Or maybe contrarian? I'm not sure. A year or two ago, I used to have this type of mindset where, if something was well-liked but I found it boring, I would start hating it, even though I had never experienced what I was hating. Whenever I heard the name, I would roll my eyes or get annoyed. Maybe it was influenced by memes? Games like Genshin, Roblox, Fortnite, etc. It's a dilemma I still struggle with—wondering if it's justifiable.

To be specific with the names I mentioned, these are quite good games, but in the past, I used to get really annoyed just hearing about them, or I might have even made fun of someone for playing them, simply because I found it annoying for no reason. The point I always try to use to justify my opinion is, 'Sure, the games are good on their own, but the community is bad or annoying.' And I think it's a valid point since a community around a game is also part of the experience. But is it justifiable to hate the game itself? Now a days I try to not make judgement quickly or without a thought.
I think its a good topic to discuss about. Should a game be hated solely based on its community, or is there room to separate the two? Can you objectively look at a game on its own merits without being influenced by its community?

Since I mentioned memes having an influence. I think its really important to be aware of how humor can change into despise for popular trends or games.
Nuuskamuikkunen
I admit I used to hate stuff I didn't try or play but that was popular but now I simply don't care much if something is popular or not so eh.
MangaGrumpy

unknown wrote:

I've never understood the appeal of Aghma Shwa. The first video I saw from him had him starting out by trying to gross out the viewer. Obviously, I didn't continue the video. The next one I saw had him starting out by apologizing for 'ruining your day', which I also didn't watch. I just don't get why anyone would watch a guy who makes intros like THAT. Its seriously like he's trying to be as off-putting as possible. He looks more like a troll channel to me than anything else.
its a copypasta in the conlang community iykyk
Achromalia

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

unknown wrote:

I've never understood the appeal of Aghma Shwa. The first video I saw from him had him starting out by trying to gross out the viewer. Obviously, I didn't continue the video. The next one I saw had him starting out by apologizing for 'ruining your day', which I also didn't watch. I just don't get why anyone would watch a guy who makes intros like THAT. Its seriously like he's trying to be as off-putting as possible. He looks more like a troll channel to me than anything else.
its a copypasta in the conlang community iykyk
nguh
keremaru

Manishh wrote:

Whenever I heard the name, I would roll my eyes or get annoyed. Maybe it was influenced by memes? Games like Genshin, Roblox, Fortnite, etc. It's a dilemma I still struggle with—wondering if it's justifiable.
you're entirely warranted in hating genshin and roblox
not sure about fortnite since the demographic has changed.
Polyspora
manishh when he tries to be sneaky critical
Ashton

Achromalia wrote:

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

unknown wrote:

I've never understood the appeal of Aghma Shwa. The first video I saw from him had him starting out by trying to gross out the viewer. Obviously, I didn't continue the video. The next one I saw had him starting out by apologizing for 'ruining your day', which I also didn't watch. I just don't get why anyone would watch a guy who makes intros like THAT. Its seriously like he's trying to be as off-putting as possible. He looks more like a troll channel to me than anything else.
its a copypasta in the conlang community iykyk
nguh
I can't believe Achro said the N word what is happening to OT
Achromalia

Laxxer wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

"I've never understood the appeal of Aghma Shwa. The first video I saw from him had him starting out by trying to gross out the viewer. Obviously, I didn't continue the video. The next one I saw had him starting out by apologizing for 'ruining your day', which I also didn't watch. I just don't get why anyone would watch a guy who makes intros like THAT. Its seriously like he's trying to be as off-putting as possible. He looks more like a troll channel to me than anything else."

its a copypasta in the conlang community iykyk
nguh
I can't believe Achro said the N word what is happening to OT
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Ymir

Manishh wrote:

Games like Genshin, Roblox, Fortnite, etc. It's a dilemma I still struggle with—wondering if it's justifiable.
If only this mindset could have applied to Valorant so you would stop spending money on shitty skins!
Patatitta
I think everyone is fauly of that at some level, I used to do it when fortnite came out because not liking fortnite made me cool and different, not saying it's the same thing here, but I have sinned too


keremaru wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Whenever I heard the name, I would roll my eyes or get annoyed. Maybe it was influenced by memes? Games like Genshin, Roblox, Fortnite, etc. It's a dilemma I still struggle with—wondering if it's justifiable.
you're entirely warranted in hating genshin and roblox
not sure about fortnite since the demographic has changed.
Honestly it depends how you hate on something a lot of the times, if you're just blidly hating or if you're hating on specific things like the monetization or whatever, context here is important
z0z
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Rezq Gokou

keremaru wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Whenever I heard the name, I would roll my eyes or get annoyed. Maybe it was influenced by memes? Games like Genshin, Roblox, Fortnite, etc. It's a dilemma I still struggle with—wondering if it's justifiable.
you're entirely warranted in hating genshin and roblox
not sure about fortnite since the demographic has changed.
I would say Genshin not bad but it is certaintly overrated to some degree
Serraionga
whenever you buy a bunch of bananas in the market, do you just go to the cashier and say

"Man bananas are crazy good, too bad the leddit banana community is kind of shit and that makes the banana worse, am i right guise? XD Thanks For The Gold Kind Strangers"

no sane person thinks like this. you must be a special kind of chronically online fellow if you truly allow online communities full of weirdos to have a hand in your single player, isolated game experience
z0z

Serraionga wrote:

whenever you buy a bunch of bananas in the market, do you just go to the cashier and say

"Man bananas are crazy good, too bad the leddit banana community is kind of shit and that makes the banana worse, am i right guise? XD Thanks For The Gold Kind Strangers"

no sane person thinks like this. you must be a special kind of chronically online fellow if you truly allow online communities full of weirdos to have a hand in your single player, isolated game experience
"Man banyanyas awe cwazy good, too *twerks* bad >w< the *boops your nose* weddit banyanya communyity ;;w;; is kind of shit and that makes the *boops your nose* banyanya wowse, am i wight guise!!11 XD Thanks Fow T-The Gowd Kind Stwangews"
Serraionga

z0z wrote:

"Man banyanyas awe cwazy good, too *twerks* bad >w< the *boops your nose* weddit banyanya communyity ;;w;; is kind of shit and that makes the *boops your nose* banyanya wowse, am i wight guise!!11 XD Thanks Fow T-The Gowd Kind Stwangews"
What on EARTH are you talking about? I'm afraid a downvote is coming your way, friend.
Serraionga
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anaxii

Manishh wrote:

Should a game be hated solely based on its community, or is there room to separate the two? Can you objectively look at a game on its own merits without being influenced by its community?
Just imagine this situation:

You're searching for a game and you find an interesting one. You decide to play it out of curiosity, only to love it after hours of gameplay. Now, you decide to check the community of the game you enjoyed playing, but then you realize that it's full of degenerates wherever you go. Will it make you suddenly hate the game that gave you pleasure before diving into the community?
Achromalia

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Should a game be hated solely based on its community, or is there room to separate the two? Can you objectively look at a game on its own merits without being influenced by its community?
Just imagine this situation:

You're searching for a game and you find an interesting one. You decide to play it out of curiosity, only to love it after hours of gameplay. Now, you decide to check the community of the game you enjoyed playing, but then you realize that it's full of degenerates wherever you go. Will it make you suddenly hate the game that gave you pleasure before diving into the community?
the answer is most likely going to be that it depends, on like,, a lot

in favor of this reply (or at least in favor of how the reply appeals to greater careful consideration), for example, the people you refuse to associate with may have liked the game bcz there could've been elements of the game that genuinely enabled that fandom, within reasonable inference from context and market appeal and possibly personal influence, or maybe just the people viewing it themselves

sometimes it's fundamental to the game's appeal itself, and while the game genuinely is also something that appeals to you through something like a very emotionally cathartic and heavily meaningful experience, those elements may be made with both kinds of audiences in mind and maybe more-- sometimes something is sensationalized and leaned into as a way to convey something better, both for truly serious/sober artistic expression of heavy and personal experiences that you want to feel seen by or understand people with, but also it could simultaneously be for... idk, lets say it's kindling feverish shipping dynamics as a result of very complicated character relationships that can be ambiguous and read as non-platonic in contexts where it might appear obvious to someone that it ought to be totally gut-wrenchingly wrong and unethical to make that suggestion-- although it opens up lots and lots of gross and cruel discourse as a result of the force and strength of these perspectives when wielded in terms of moral imperatives through the rhetoric people use

on the other hand, other people's experiences/perspectives/interests/impulses are not necessarily/intrinsically your responsibility to associate with nor influence-- and it could similarly be that it doesnt have to be their responsibility for being visible to you in ways that disturb you without directly interacting with you;; at the same time, i'd like to imagine that it should be allowed and accepted for someone to not be okay with something in how people treat something callously, or perhaps instead permissively (especially understandable to me if/when you view it as very definitively instrumental to perspectives that cause harm, or to softening people to something you noticed as being morally/ethically compromised), and that its okay to want to change something and act on that hope... but you don't always know what something means to someone else, you only have plausible impressions of inferences that make sense to you and you have patterns of behavior you associate with people

...and those things are not really reflections of the people themselves so much as what you've noticed, which still could be inclusive of people being exactly who you thought they were, and could reflect something as terrible as you feared, but could just as easily be a projection of your own engagement/curiosity/familiarity/association to the extent that you could readily apply these self-sourced impressions upon people to begin with. importantly though, it doesn't necessarily mean having a problem with something and fearing that someone reflects that wider problem is somehow a damning demonstration of you being guilty of something, since having a fear/suspicion from familiarity/intuition doesn't intrinsically insinuate that much about you with any greater consistency than your intuitive impressions would about other people, it's simply that either case can be true for either person

the premise being that i think it is extremely understandable if this is both simple for some people who have no compulsion to view a game as a reflection of its community when they believe its their experience of it that takes precedence in how they value and adore a game-- this game means something to them that a diverse community beyond them has nothing to do with, while for many people it might instead be quite complicated and disturbing as they realize the possibility that maybe the game they love is made as it is partly in a way that enables something (whether intentionally or accidentally) that they cannot conscientiously stand for...

in essence, y'all both might have the right of it if you're both suggesting/arguing these opposite positions of what i think y'all mean... community influence and authorial intent all seem like crucially applicable and meaningful components to consider in a work of fiction, while at the same time it may not always have to uniformly/monolithically represent something about your experience that wasnt your own experience-- and even if you do value your experience of the game, you might still grow to hate the game anyway, you could easily take your experience with you and treasure what you saw from it-- because the creator can't stop you from reinterpreting their work in your mind, and people have headcanons and alternate universes and self-inserts and original characters to play with and explore these experiences they've had in this meaningfully compelling work of fiction

granted, i'm assuming a lot about what that fiction is and what features and intents it can plausibly be attributed with, so... there is probably plenty of room for more counterarguments in any direction
Topic Starter
Manishh
I kinda agree with achromalia view.




I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Should a game be hated solely based on its community, or is there room to separate the two? Can you objectively look at a game on its own merits without being influenced by its community?
Just imagine this situation:

You're searching for a game and you find an interesting one. You decide to play it out of curiosity, only to love it after hours of gameplay. Now, you decide to check the community of the game you enjoyed playing, but then you realize that it's full of degenerates wherever you go. Will it make you suddenly hate the game that gave you pleasure before diving into the community?
It's the other way around which might make someone not like a game by seeing their community.

That's why I mentioned genshin, fortnite etc, many first know about the game from memes or humor joke.
Patatitta
idk in general you should avoid fandom heavy things IMO
ColdTooth
what the fuck
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