Relationship with genshin ended. Now currently grinding to get to trailblaze 24.

Man I've been really hooked on this game. It reminds me of my first time playing genshin and not knowing anything. This game is so convenient. It's clear they took feedback from genshin and implemented it here. Also huge plus is that this game isn't much of a time sink as genshin is. The world is really smaller compared to genshin, so there's everything's more fleshed out and I wouldn't have to chest hunt myself to death.

So yeah, like my genshin thread, go talk about the newly released Honkai Star Rail here. Discussions, rolls, characters, tips (I personally need them), etc.

Oh hey, Honkai Impact looks cool! Am I allowed to say that it looks like Genshin Impact but for mobile? I never played the game so you can correct me xd

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Oh hey, Honkai Impact looks cool! Am I allowed to say that it looks like Genshin Impact but for mobile? I never played the game so you can correct me xd

genshin is on mobile tho

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

the endgame felt so bad, requiring basically a guide that allowed you to open every single chest on the map, so you have a chance at an rng, time locked system to get a character/weapon that you wanted, except that if you wanted to make that character strong, you needed to pull it 7 times like what the fuck

the payoff isn't even that great, there is no real exclusive content to endgame, just make bigger number, at least in an mmorpg with the same level of rng has some sort of new dungeon you can do, or a new quest, but that just doesn't happen with genshin

cant you just do a sidequest to unlock a character? maybe the making your character stronger by pulling it multiple times could be changed to little puzzles over the world that only could be solved by that character skill, or single character dungeons similar to those of leveling up the level of the world

it's such a shame, because I erally liked the early-midgame of genshin, going through the main story and unlocking new zones with new mechanics, the graphics are super good, and I liked some of the characters

I personally haven't seen honkai other than a few screenshot, and it looks way too close to genshin where I just dont want to play it, I dont want to get invested into a game or a world to then just be punched in the faced by this endgame, it really is not a good experience

hmm i would try honkai

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

But I would like to test Honkai Impact for the story and the characters development! This is the reason why I'll probably install the game

Here maybe a peppy Easter egg i dont know!!

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

Most gacha games aren't multiplayer, so there's no way for F2Ps to be at a disadvantage. You can clear most the gacha games with the starter characters just fine, but since it's a gacha game, it's your decision whether or not you wanna roll for characters to make them stronger. That's the whole point of the gacha.

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

Most gacha games aren't multiplayer, so there's no way for F2Ps to be at a disadvantage. You can clear most the gacha games with the starter characters just fine, but since it's a gacha game, it's your decision whether or not you wanna roll for characters to make them stronger. That's the whole point of the gacha.

however, if you decide to not roll or anything like htat, you just arae way weaker, limited on the builds you can do, and there is no endgame

But honkai star rail is highly free2play friendly

__Jan__ wrote:

But honkai star rail is highly free2play friendly

It's not even how predatory the game is at this point, it's about progression being rng and having no payoff, doesn't matter how many rolls I have, what i'm complaining about is that the roll system itself is bad

I'm done with Mihoyo games.

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

Most gacha games aren't multiplayer, so there's no way for F2Ps to be at a disadvantage. You can clear most the gacha games with the starter characters just fine, but since it's a gacha game, it's your decision whether or not you wanna roll for characters to make them stronger. That's the whole point of the gacha.

however, if you decide to not roll or anything like htat, you just arae way weaker, limited on the builds you can do, and there is no endgame

That depends on the game, but that's what the main appeal of gacha games are. The luck factor are one of the big reasons people play the game. Without it, it wouldn't be as fun for those who enjoy it.

Do you all have the trash can avatar unlocked yet?

Yep. The trashcan story is so funny to me I just went along with it. It's my profile rn.

even though i already said it, but honkai star rail is sooo good. most likely the warp cutscenes. just 10/10

Stomiks wrote:

I once again wanna flex my seele

Got her below pity 50/50. How crazy is that?! Thanks to the free 10 pull they gave us today.

he's flexing his seal 😯

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

Most gacha games aren't multiplayer, so there's no way for F2Ps to be at a disadvantage. You can clear most the gacha games with the starter characters just fine, but since it's a gacha game, it's your decision whether or not you wanna roll for characters to make them stronger. That's the whole point of the gacha.

however, if you decide to not roll or anything like htat, you just arae way weaker, limited on the builds you can do, and there is no endgame

That depends on the game, but that's what the main appeal of gacha games are. The luck factor are one of the big reasons people play the game. Without it, it wouldn't be as fun for those who enjoy it.

I dont get why would you play a game with a chance of fucking you over and not having fun

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

Most gacha games aren't multiplayer, so there's no way for F2Ps to be at a disadvantage. You can clear most the gacha games with the starter characters just fine, but since it's a gacha game, it's your decision whether or not you wanna roll for characters to make them stronger. That's the whole point of the gacha.

however, if you decide to not roll or anything like htat, you just arae way weaker, limited on the builds you can do, and there is no endgame

That depends on the game, but that's what the main appeal of gacha games are. The luck factor are one of the big reasons people play the game. Without it, it wouldn't be as fun for those who enjoy it.

I dont get why would you play a game with a chance of fucking you over and not having fun

It's like gambling right? You feel a huge surge of joy when you do win. You can still get to play the game without gacha though. For most casual players, they'll probably just play the main story (if there is one) and nothing else.

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

Most gacha games aren't multiplayer, so there's no way for F2Ps to be at a disadvantage. You can clear most the gacha games with the starter characters just fine, but since it's a gacha game, it's your decision whether or not you wanna roll for characters to make them stronger. That's the whole point of the gacha.

however, if you decide to not roll or anything like htat, you just arae way weaker, limited on the builds you can do, and there is no endgame

That depends on the game, but that's what the main appeal of gacha games are. The luck factor are one of the big reasons people play the game. Without it, it wouldn't be as fun for those who enjoy it.

I dont get why would you play a game with a chance of fucking you over and not having fun

It's like gambling right? You feel a huge surge of joy when you do win. You can still get to play the game without gacha though. For most casual players, they'll probably just play the main story (if there is one) and nothing else.

I dont think gambling is a fun mechanic, and eyah, most of my complais are that the endgame sucks so much

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

also, IMO gachas are not really that fun, at least, I did not like genshin endgame at all

Gacha games in general are not fun to play just because of that. The fact that you have to pay for special items or characters is quite disadvantageous for free-to-play players besides being a total waste of money. (Yeah I know I'm insulting all gacha players here and I'm not sorry)

Most gacha games aren't multiplayer, so there's no way for F2Ps to be at a disadvantage. You can clear most the gacha games with the starter characters just fine, but since it's a gacha game, it's your decision whether or not you wanna roll for characters to make them stronger. That's the whole point of the gacha.

however, if you decide to not roll or anything like htat, you just arae way weaker, limited on the builds you can do, and there is no endgame

That depends on the game, but that's what the main appeal of gacha games are. The luck factor are one of the big reasons people play the game. Without it, it wouldn't be as fun for those who enjoy it.

I dont get why would you play a game with a chance of fucking you over and not having fun

It's like gambling right? You feel a huge surge of joy when you do win. You can still get to play the game without gacha though. For most casual players, they'll probably just play the main story (if there is one) and nothing else.

I dont think gambling is a fun mechanic, and eyah, most of my complais are that the endgame sucks so much

I think the reason that endgame was just abyss at the start was because gacha was already a good incentive to keep older players playing. Doing dailies, getting the gacha currency y'know? But I really enjoy the card game that genshin released when sumeru came out. It might not be combat but it's still pretty fun for endgame players imo.

I can finally start farming relics. Although I'd have to level up my traces first...

should i play this or genshin first

179bpm wrote:

should i play this or genshin first

Both games don't have any connection to each other besides the whole honkai thing so you're free to play each one either way. Genshin's open-world and Star Rail's a turn-based RPGs if you don't know already.

179bpm wrote:

should i play this or genshin first

Genshin = Wide Open world, Hack-and-slash game
Honkai = Turn-based RPG with limited explorable area

HSR game mechanic is better designed imo. But you'll need a bit more optimisation than Genshin. For example, to farm a weapon-upgrade material in Genshin is to literally smash an actual ore in the open world. While in star rail you must farm them in dungeons, which requires "resins" (a "limit" to how much you can farm in dungeons which both game has, in honkai you'll get a maximum of 180 as opposed to genshin 160. They regenerate 1 every 8 minutes in both gamess afaik).

Honkai is also more generous with their rolls. I've calculated that you'll get twice as much rolls per month in star rail by doing only dailys and battle pass (I dont remember the exact number but it's around 30 something in star rail as opposed to 16 in Genshin). The Gacha rate is the same tho. But in Star Rail you're guaranteed a 5-star character in 50 rolls of the beginner's banner, as opposed to Noelle, a decent-ish 4-star DPS-sheilder in first 40 rolls in Genshin (considering how broken the damage ceiling in Genshin has become, I doubt that she'll do "decent" damage nowadays) And you're guaranteed a 5-star-character-of-your-choice after 300 rolls in Star Rail permanent banner, a guarantee that Genshin doesn't have.

Gameplay wise, DEF or HP stats are universally considered "Useless" in Genshin (except HP for healers/shielders and DEF for very very niche subset of characters). Genshin is all about "BIG DAMAGE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, but it's much useful in Star Rail. Your defense actually matter cuz you cannot dodge attacks in a Turn-based game. And because it's a turn-based game you'll need to use more brain than brawl. That's not to say Genshin battle system sucks tho. As you may know, battling in turn-based system can and will be tedious (unless you're a psychopath). as opposed to THIS in Genshin

Jangsoodlor wrote:

179bpm wrote:

should i play this or genshin first

HSR game mechanic is better designed imo. But you'll need a bit more optimisation than Genshin. For example, to farm a weapon-upgrade material in Genshin is to literally smash an actual ore in the open world. While in star rail you must farm them in dungeons, which requires "resins" (a "limit" to how much you can farm in dungeons which both game has, in honkai you'll get a maximum of 180 as opposed to genshin 160. They regenerate 1 every 8 minutes in both games afaik).

It's probably made that way since both games are from different genres. In star rail, stats are gonna matter more there since there is no way of winning against a high level opponent without good stats, as opposed to genshin where it's possible to win against a lvl 90 opponent with a lvl 1 character without anything built.

hi

I got Bronya, Seele + Light Cone, in 150 pull

Why Honkai Star Rail is better than Genshin Impact?

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Why Honkai Star Rail is better than Genshin Impact?

Not really. It's based on your preference.

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Why Honkai Star Rail is better than Genshin Impact?

Not really. It's based on your preference.

I say this because of the many videos and articles saying this

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Why Honkai Star Rail is better than Genshin Impact?

Not really. It's based on your preference.

I say this because of the many videos and articles saying this

It's just bait so don't mind them and try both to see for yourself.

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Why Honkai Star Rail is better than Genshin Impact?

Not really. It's based on your preference.

I say this because of the many videos and articles saying this

It's just bait so don't mind them and try both to see for yourself.

Alright alright the connoisseur~

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Why Honkai Star Rail is better than Genshin Impact?

Not really. It's based on your preference.

I say this because of the many videos and articles saying this

It's just bait so don't mind them and try both to see for yourself.

Alright alright the connoisseur~

I'm not that knowledgeable

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Why Honkai Star Rail is better than Genshin Impact?

Trash can lore
and this conversation

Relics

pretty fun experience for the first week i played but genshin just feels so much better with the interactive combat to me vs turn based fighting since its not really my thing imo

also got himeko welt and gepard (failed 50/50 sadge)

Kaaruumii wrote:

pretty fun experience for the first week i played but genshin just feels so much better with the interactive combat to me vs turn based fighting since its not really my thing imo

I pretty much like star rail more since I don't have to collect 3000 chests each time a region opens up lmao.

Kaaruumii wrote:

also got himeko welt and gepard (failed 50/50 sadge)

Gepard's really good. You can pretty much challenge MoC without a healer in you team if you don't have bailu.