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kamisamaaa

Awaken wrote:

我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
tukamoto7km
gratz HW
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings
thank to all people who helped to this map

really... really...

now, i don't know, what to do
Ethercastle
恭喜hw!
Flask

Awaken wrote:

我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
fanzhen0019
干蛋呢
Sellenite

Awaken wrote:

我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
Myxo
Congratz <3
Neliel
Congrats.

03:19:844 - I love this map really, but I think you should reconsider this SV change. Its not really nice to play and really hard to follow.
pw384

Flask wrote:

Awaken wrote:

我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
[Seraphin]
w
gratz
Melophobia
wow this insane is :o I really want you to replace the soft-hitnormal with this http://puu.sh/bGWHq/9ea6aaaa5b.zip please take this into consideration if by any chance this gets unqualified. ;_;

More importantly, I think source is "劇場版 魔法少女まどかマギカ[新編]叛逆の物語" which is romanized into "Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari". (I suggest using the formar as Source, since the romanized one looks terrible. lol)
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Melophobia wrote:

wow this insane is :o I really want you to replace the soft-hitnormal with this http://puu.sh/bGWHq/9ea6aaaa5b.zip please take this into consideration if by any chance this gets unqualified. ;_;

More importantly, I think source is "劇場版 魔法少女まどかマギカ[新編]叛逆の物語" which is romanized into "Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari". (I suggest using the formar as Source, since the romanized one looks terrible. lol)
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/131685

there's a ranked version of this song

isn't that source acceptable??????

i just use ranked ones...
TicClick
Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:

[Extra]
  1. It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals:
    1. 00:10:520 (2) -
    2. 00:21:060 (3,4) -
    3. 00:23:493 (4,5) -
      and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
[Insane]
  1. A couple of patterns that are very uncomfortable and unnatural to play:
    1. 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5) -
    2. 03:45:384 (5,6,7,8,9,10) -

Now about suggestions (Insane diff.)
  1. Insane has very inconsistent spacing and spacing changes that don't look logical at all, except the parts with vocal, maybe. They probably follow the song or attempt to do so, but in such manner that the whole map consists of random and hardly predictable speedups and slowdowns. I'd even consider things like 04:27:547 (1) as spacing errors if they didn't have new combo.

  2. It is suggested to use CS 4.5 and OD 6.5 on Insane to make a better spread; having Extra with CS lower than on Insane looks like Extra's CS was set up that way solely to make it more playable and to justify high SV and rapid jumps.

  3. You got at least one slider following vocals in an incorrect way: 01:19:946 (6) should be starting from the white tick before it.
The rest of the set (Hard, Normal) is surprisingly good. Also note this mapset will be handled by BAT from now on, but you are encouraged to collect some mods first, given the fact that Insane requires.. uh, more attention.

P.S. Regarding the source: it's better to use original (Japanese) spelling, as Melo suggested.
1319
fuggin rekt
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

TicClick wrote:

Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:

[Extra]
  1. It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals: they r not forced and needless to use, if turn those extended sliders into 1/2 ones, still can't express long consecutive vocal melody. use 3/4 ones can do that better than 1/2 ones. and also it's not a rare example to set rhythms like this, u can find sets which exactly the same ones in lots of lots of ranked maps nowadays.
    1. 00:10:520 (2) -
    2. 00:21:060 (3,4) -
    3. 00:23:493 (4,5) -
      and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
[Insane]
  1. A couple of patterns that are very uncomfortable and unnatural to play:
    1. 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5) - thou i can't find issue here, i still reversed slider 1
    2. 03:45:384 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - changed 8,9,10's order into 9,10,8 with better flow and phasis jump to 1 behind

Now about suggestions (Insane diff.)
  1. Insane has very inconsistent spacing and spacing changes that don't look logical at all, except the parts with vocal, maybe. They probably follow the song or attempt to do so, but in such manner that the whole map consists of random and hardly predictable speedups and slowdowns. I'd even consider things like 04:27:547 (1) as spacing errors if they didn't have new combo. that's also a kind of pattern used in so much ranked maps nowadays, some kind of ds or sv or rhythm shifting noticed by nc

  2. It is suggested to use CS 4.5 and OD 6.5 on Insane to make a better spread; having Extra with CS lower than on Insane looks like Extra's CS was set up that way solely to make it more playable and to justify high SV and rapid jumps. changed

  3. You got at least one slider following vocals in an incorrect way: 01:19:946 (6) should be starting from the white tick before it. changed rhythm here into 2 notes
The rest of the set (Hard, Normal) is surprisingly good. Also note this mapset will be handled by BAT from now on, but you are encouraged to collect some mods first, given the fact that Insane requires.. uh, more attention. hmm, does 32 bats' mods already enough?

P.S. Regarding the source: it's better to use original (Japanese) spelling, as Melo suggested. changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be ranked
thx for modding! and updated now

and rip dear madoka my map, will u be rot in graveyard?
HanzeR

TicClick wrote:

Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:

[notice][Extra]
  1. It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals:
    1. 00:10:520 (2) -
    2. 00:21:060 (3,4) -
    3. 00:23:493 (4,5) -
      and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
Wait what pause for a second


Extended sliders are unrankable now?

https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?m=-1&r=11&g=0&la=0&ra= Unqualify these next please!~

Not liking this new ranking system at all. Seems like QATs only job is to make mappers life more difficult, if they can unqualify any map just because they don't like it. The only problem with this mapset is that its not ranked.
Myxo
I'd like to add a problem I found when looking through the map:

[Normal]

00:04:033 (2) - I wouldn't use multiple-reverse-sliders in a Normal, especially not in the easiest difficulty. The multiple repeats aren't visible early enough. Try to replace it by two 1/2-sliders and a circle, or simplify the rhythm by using an 1/1-reverse-slider (maybe with a red anchor in the middle, then it has almost the same effect as your current slider has.)
The same applies for the other slider that you used later on.

Good luck with re-ranking this mapset! The Extra is very fun to play, as always! :)
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Desperate-kun wrote:

I'd like to add a problem I found when looking through the map:

[Normal]

00:04:033 (2) - I wouldn't use multiple-reverse-sliders in a Normal, especially not in the easiest difficulty. The multiple repeats aren't visible early enough. Try to replace it by two 1/2-sliders and a circle, or simplify the rhythm by using an 1/1-reverse-slider (maybe with a red anchor in the middle, then it has almost the same effect as your current slider has.)
The same applies for the other slider that you used later on. yes i agree with u, checked all reversing sliders and fixed all these patterns (sry Desperate-kun i disapointted u again in lower diffs ;w;

Good luck with re-ranking this mapset! The Extra is very fun to play, as always! :) thank u ;w;
thx for modding!
eh - - -
Hollowwing maps are one of my favos to play because of the flow the maps have.
This includes the tricky patterns .

I found the Extra very enjoyable to play , in its current state.

By such critics allot of oldschool maps would need a unrank hammer . hell even allot of 2014 maps.
Zare


Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
Unrank over shit rhythms such as
01:04:033 (2) -
01:09:912 (2) -
01:11:939 (1) -
03:24:709 (1,2) -
because these are actually bad
the sliders ending on blue ticks in order to emphasize vocals or violin melodys are NOT.
DakeDekaane
It's not just about the extended sliders, it's about the abuse of them, I mean, I don't like this "technique" but I don't say you must not use them at all, they could be used, but sparingly, because when you abuse of this, the ones that really could fit gets lost, as they wouldn't be that "unique".

00:10:114 (1,2,3) - 00:14:979 (1,2,3) - uhm, I can see a lot of inconsistencies here, despite the music being similar.
01:05:959 (7) - Also there's this kinda random triples, some of them are really intrusive and doesn't compliment the song at all, if you wanted to emphasize this, a bigger jump would've been better.
01:25:114 (5) - This could be better as a 1/2 slider as you're passing over a stronger beat.
01:26:331 (4) - ^
02:11:736 (1,2) - I find this as a cool alternative when you want to create a hold feeling.
02:31:196 - 02:50:655 - This part is ridiculous, song isn't that dense on beats yet you have a lot of 1/4 stuff.

This is just some of the things I caught on first look, so take this just as my point of view.
Good luck.
Bearizm
w0w r3kt
Melophobia
I love how you ignored my suggestion. :o
changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be ranked
Things ain't what they used to be, there's a good chance that they have something wrong (Apparently in this case the source was just overlooked though) Keep in mind that you shouldn't refer to ranked maps blindly. ;)

I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女. 2)"Yuki" is duplicate, remove one of them. 3) Add the romanized source; Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari" into the tags. These pretty much put every metadata in order. Good luck on the way. :3
xxdeathx

Melophobia wrote:

I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女.
How did you even notice the difference?
Bearizm

xxdeathx wrote:

Melophobia wrote:

I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女.
How did you even notice the difference?
his eyes got swag.
Frostmourne

Zare wrote:



Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
This makes me giggle when I see people perceive that 3/4 extended slider is being used for emphasizing the vocal where the music doesn't present. :)
Nobel-chan
I looooove this map111111
dont give up ;w;
kamisamaaa
If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style. :)
69653863
what, this was ranked? how could've I missed it D:
Koiyuki

I RECOMMEND TO CHANGE [MINAKAMI YUKI] TO MINAKAMI YUKI IN THE SB THANKS

mintong89
不明觉厉 只能留名
Kinomi
补个星好了
反震大爷那个什么move that什么图疯狂3/4 spam 怎么没人说什么
Guu
If 3/4 sliders were replaced by 1/2 ones, I won't love this map so much.

唔。。。真是辛苦了
还有抱歉,昨天你那么忙我还一直打扰来着;w;
祝早日搞定
美如画prpr~
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Zare wrote:


i really agree what those said, and that's what exactly why i or other mappers use 3/4 sliders for beats like that. my bad english just can't express this, thx those and Zare for state this point of view clearly ;w;

Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
Unrank over shit rhythms such as
01:04:033 (2) -
01:09:912 (2) -
01:11:939 (1) -
03:24:709 (1,2) -
because these are actually bad
the sliders ending on blue ticks in order to emphasize vocals or violin melodys are NOT. yeah, maybe that should be a note to emphasis the vocal beat at the end, thou idk why people can't accept it while others do it in their maps as well

Frostmourne wrote:

Zare wrote:



Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
This makes me giggle when I see people perceive that 3/4 extended slider is being used for emphasizing the vocal where the music doesn't present. :) plz frosty... i know u hate that kind of stuff, but in this song, 1/2 ones r not that good as well... and that kind of way to set rhythms is really common ones in ranked maps ;w;

DakeDekaane wrote:

It's not just about the extended sliders, it's about the abuse of them, I mean, I don't like this "technique" but I don't say you must not use them at all, they could be used, but sparingly, because when you abuse of this, the ones that really could fit gets lost, as they wouldn't be that "unique". i know lots of mappers don't agree with that even bats like u, thou i still wanna keep them... ;w;

00:10:114 (1,2,3) - 00:14:979 (1,2,3) - uhm, I can see a lot of inconsistencies here, despite the music being similar. uh... must similiar song's part be set with similiar rhythm? orz
01:05:959 (7) - Also there's this kinda random triples, some of them are really intrusive and doesn't compliment the song at all, if you wanted to emphasize this, a bigger jump would've been better. 01:05:655 (6,7,1) - this pattern is just like 02:33:425 (8,9,1) - as a maybe consistencies thing or trick in this map?
01:25:114 (5) - This could be better as a 1/2 slider as you're passing over a stronger beat. i can agree with this, changed
01:26:331 (4) - ^ changed as well, and arranged 01:26:736 (1,2,3) - 's position to give a better ds setting with testing
02:11:736 (1,2) - I find this as a cool alternative when you want to create a hold feeling. various patterns maybe, people can select by themselves imo w
02:31:196 - 02:50:655 - This part is ridiculous, song isn't that dense on beats yet you have a lot of 1/4 stuff. just same ones as i mentioned

This is just some of the things I caught on first look, so take this just as my point of view. ok. thou actually i know DakeDekaane u hate 1/4 everywhere, still thx if u can accept them even exist
Good luck. >.<

Melophobia wrote:

I love how you ignored my suggestion. :o i'm so sorry that i haven't reply ur mods and even forgot to give a check, i apologize, seriously. plz give a chance to explain: when i check those unqualified issues, it's about 4:30 a.m. in cn time zone and i'm just too tired to give a move. it's my bad to post those feedback in a hurry and just missed ur words... i'm sure there's something wrong with me at that time orz, plz forgive me ;w;
changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be ranked
Things ain't what they used to be, there's a good chance that they have something wrong (Apparently in this case the source was just overlooked though) Keep in mind that you shouldn't refer to ranked maps blindly. ;) i see, next time i'll take metadata's setting in detail checks to make sure nothing goes wrong before ranking

I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more..
1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女. http://puu.sh/bHyNJ/f2792bc0a6.jpg ←the original title here lol, thou i know it's "魔法" but look at this words! it's really like 廢怯 www. and another thing, "魔法" in japanese is still written as "魔法" in chinese, it's just that odd font to force me change this... if "魔法" is ok as it's true meaning in that title and to the rank system in tags, ofc why not fix this w
2)"Yuki" is duplicate, remove one of them. fixed
3) Add the romanized source; Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari" into the tags. These pretty much put every metadata in order. fixed
Good luck on the way. :3 apologize to u again thou orz

Minakami Yuki wrote:

I RECOMMEND TO CHANGE [MINAKAMI YUKI] TO MINAKAMI YUKI IN THE SB THANKS

changed, yuki moe~
rui

kamisamaaa wrote:

If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style. :)
pw384

kamisamaaa wrote:

If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style. :)
Kodora

Guu wrote:

If 3/4 sliders were replaced by 1/2 ones, I won't love this map so much.
Rixia Mao

Kodora wrote:

Guu wrote:

If 3/4 sliders were replaced by 1/2 ones, I won't love this map so much.
koreapenguin
Help

Normal, Callab Hard
  1. - fine to me
Insane
IRC Mod
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: irc is fine imo?
2014-09-22 02:45 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: ok~
2014-09-22 02:52 koreapenguin: 01:29:371 (6,7) - about this
2014-09-22 02:53 on insane *
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: hmm?
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: yep
2014-09-22 02:54 Hollow Wings: 0.0
2014-09-22 02:54 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 02:56 koreapenguin: how about 01:28:763 (1) - nc here, 01:28:155 (2) - when do play that feel some weird
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: and 01:31:196 (1) - as well right?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: yea right same as
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: 01:38:493 (3) - and 01:40:925 (3) - ?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: it more better when do play
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 02:58 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: changed thou
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) -
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: as song fit
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: that notes get jump is right
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) - move on 02:21:871 (2) - slider head or other place
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: 02:25:925 (4) - same this
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: i think the jump here's fine
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: 02:22:681 (3,4) - u can have same pattern here
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: some kind of ds shifting
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: >.<
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: hum.
2014-09-22 03:03 koreapenguin: 02:22:681 (3) - how about move on 02:23:898 (1) - this slider head
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: lol seems u r serious about that don't u ww
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: alright
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: changed
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: but those slider's positions will be changed as well
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: ya
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: and i have same think with ticclick
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: odd to play?
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: ok changed to another style
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: especially flow
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: 02:42:141 (5,6,7) -
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIdCN/5c30dd0090.jpg how about this
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: 02:42:446 (6,7,8) -
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: you can feel song is gradually strong
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: about vocal
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: D: my bad english sorry
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: i hope your understanding T^T
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: i understand
2014-09-22 03:10 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: give a larger ds here
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: sure
2014-09-22 03:11 koreapenguin: 02:49:034 (3,4) - ._.
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: 02:53:088 (1) - http://puu.sh/bIdYc/c5801d131b.jpg it flow is better and,02:53:088 (1) - as song fit, it must got jump
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: get*
2014-09-22 03:14 Hollow Wings: ok changed
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 03:28:155 (3) - how about keep using DS?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 1.8* ?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: becuz
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: 03:28:155 (3) - i'll just move this to 301,313
2014-09-22 03:17 koreapenguin: :D b
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: i think it's better to u
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: for theirs no special beats here
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: is that ur meaning?
2014-09-22 03:18 koreapenguin: i don't know D:
2014-09-22 03:19 Hollow Wings: lol ok
2014-09-22 03:19 koreapenguin: and you don't must fix them D: it just my opinion D:
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: i don't want breaks your style
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i've reject one of ur mod already lol
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: xD
2014-09-22 03:21 koreapenguin: 03:45:182 (4,5) - got a big jump so 03:45:385 (5) - nc here it would be easier to play
2014-09-22 03:22 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: nc's not necessary here, thou those r big jumps, still easy to read those patterns
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: so it's not that needed to spread patterns with nc imo
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: yap ;3
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIeP5/9bdc1e9892.png how about this :3 ?
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: 03:43:560 (1,2) -
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: changed but in another composing
2014-09-22 03:26 koreapenguin: 03:56:330 (1) - as song's fit place jump is better than close DS
2014-09-22 03:27 koreapenguin: some 04:00:992 (9,1) - like this, hear the song, not matched D:
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: so they play them will be confused
2014-09-22 03:28 Hollow Wings: 03:56:330 (1) - moved to 118,76
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: 04:00:992 (9) - moved to 477,121
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: with these changes it'll be better imo
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: has many jumps map is fun but, hear song's fit and place jumps it more fun :3
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - orz
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: i see
2014-09-22 03:30 koreapenguin: feel so weird you can makes more clearly
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: thou the map's just like this now orz
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - this is just a pattern orz
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: if keep that pattern, 04:06:466 (3,4) -
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: weird flow D;
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: really common one in ranked maps nowadays
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIfB2/8318fb3720.jpg
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: 04:40:520 (2,1) - look so better :3
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: just my think
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: see
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: ohh
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: it's really late here

Extra
  1. 03:23:493 (1) - Ctrl+G is better, and for next note's flow
  2. 03:11:331 (4) - New combo here same as Insane

that's all :3
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