Well I think that this map deserves a rank bcz it shows us another reasonable and cool way to map a song. By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders, the map shows the music perfectly. And also it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player, that means people will enjoy both the map and the music in an active way.Dark Fang wrote:
have no idea why bubbled this. the Extra and Insane diff were really overmapped on beat with ignore song.
it seems like something specific favoritism for particular mappers.
then compose the song instead hitsounding.384059043 wrote:
By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders, the map shows the music perfectly.
You said, then you should know what's 'overmapping' now. Because you said384059043 wrote:
way to map a song. By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders
Still we both mappers and players can enjoy by creating sounds/playing with the created sounds when it's pending.384059043 wrote:
And also it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player
and384059043 wrote:
it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player, that means people will enjoy both the map and the music in an active way.
384059043 wrote:
By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders, the map shows the music perfectly.
I think someone is mind fucked384059043 wrote:
So I think that the map is not so-called "overmapped"
adding the mapper's own ideas?384059043 wrote:
Always following the music without adding the mapper's own ideas towards the music will be frustrated and tasteless, isn't it?
Oh, confirmed. Now, there's no such things as overmapping \o/ there's now.... ADDITIVE MAPPING.Irreversible wrote:
the map is really cool but the additive mapping doesn't really fit sometimes ._. 02:47:006 (1,2,3,4) - this is just too much
thx for modding! ;w;Garven wrote:
[General]
As I said before, you can't have a completely silent sound like you used at the ends of sliders in the hardest difficulty. why... i think silent end is fine coz so many ranked maps do that as well 0.0
I only recommend tick rate 2 for the hardest difficulty if you do change it. This is only because of the weird speed changes. Otherwise, keep it at 1. i wanna keep it at 1
The font used in the SB feels kind of unfitting considering the style of song despite the lyrics. It'd be neat if you could find a font that was less scratchy and more solid lines like what you drew in the BG. if u have watched this anime u'll find this is really a horrible anime rather than beautiful one like the song express, i use this font for express the lyrics' meaning in darkness and fear
Considering how ridiculously unbalanced the difficulty spread is on this mapset, you really should consider adding an Easy. the normal is really easy enough to all players... ;w;
[Normal]
00:13:763 (3,1) - Don't use consecutive short repeat sliders with different repetitions of repeats in a Normal please. changed rhythm
01:55:925 (1) - This spinner... doesn't really need needed at all. It's not following anything in the song and feels like filler. hmm, the song told me set spinner here... just feeling
03:29:574 (1) - You should simplify the rhythms used here. You don't need to hit every single sound - especially in a Normal. simplified rhythm with all patterns like these
04:25:925 (1) - I wouldn't have a short repeating slider with an even amount of repeats. changed
04:35:655 (2) - ^ changed
[Hard]
00:04:439 (3,1) - Spacing fixed
00:48:628 (5) - The end of this is snapped incorrectly. uhh? it's just a 3/4 slider here...
Sorry, too many distractions yesterday. I'll edit the rest in and let you know. Just want to get this out there now in case someone else is also working on this map set. orzzz, sry for i didn't catch this mod at that time ;w;
Edit:
Continuing on the Hard:
00:56:331 (1) - Missing the finish no finish hs here indeed, i set hs in a way of system, really
01:25:114 (3) - Slider end is unsnapped well, here seems the 1/2 one is better, changed
01:42:446 (5) - Is this really necessary? This is a Hard, you know. yeah, and in that arousing part, the stream here's good and also still easy to play imo 0.0
02:08:087 (1,1) - More unsnapped sliderends. Not going to point anymore out. These don't belong in any map really, but especially not in Hard difficulties.
02:28:662 (4) - Same as 1:42. ^
There's a lot more. They don't really fit this song at all, nor the pacing of the map.
04:13:155 (2,3,1) - Suddenly the map got a lot harder for no apparent reason. Remember, this is a Hard, not an Insane. uhh... as a hard diff, this is really easy enough...
[Insane]
00:03:831 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the way these flow. Most of your patterns up to here follow a pretty distinct curve, but this progression just cuts straight down and breaks what you've set up. uhh... patterns like this r also set in ranked maps very much... plays still good thou 0.0
00:08:493 (1) - Please don't do this with new combos. If you must use one to make a pattern readable, your pattern is in question. uhhh??? this is just a pattern imo... u can see lots of patterns like this in ranked maps as well
00:11:331 (1,2) - This spacing, no please. Not right after having 00:10:520 (2,3) - but it's really fun to play and still not that hard to read lol
00:29:168 (6) - Please no. Snap the end correctly and make the end audible. why...
There's a lot more incorrectly snapped silent slider ends. Get rid of them. They don't fit the music at all. they r really fit the song imo
01:12:952 (1) - More lone combos with zero correlation towards the music. just sv changing here
01:18:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You really need to figure out what you're doing spacing-wise. This combo is a mess. i see nothing wrong thou...;w;
01:33:628 (5,6,7,8) - More 1/2 and 1/4 same spacing shenanigans. Please don't. It reads poorly and turns the map into a guessing game instead of something to enjoy. i really think patterns like this r not that questionable for it's really easy to read and play...
03:12:547 (1,1,1) - New combo spammmm changed
03:19:439 (8,9) - It's best if you have the slider after the circle. It plays much more naturally. i think this is another kind of pattern
Overall, it was kind of fun to play, but completely unfitting for this song. If you had a much more upbeat song that actually could support all these extra rhythms and crazy jumps, I'd give it a big thumbs up. For this song, it really is major overkill. it fits the song imo... not an excellent map but express the song indeed
[Extra]
You're pretty much going to get the same sentiment and mods as from the Insane, only I'd be picking apart a lot of the overmapping. The hitsounds feel placed on incorrect beats, so accents are unbalanced within the stanzas, and it mostly just leaves me wondering what song you originally mapped to before moving the map to this calmer song. Let's get the easier maps fixed up first to give this map a better context. idk what to say... i think this diff is the best of all these four to express this song...
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303,231,256195,2,0,P|325:267|328:311,2,70,8|2|8,0:0|0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
244,171,256804,1,2,0:1:0:0:
259,89,257006,2,0,P|286:65|322:57,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
354,79,257310,1,2,0:0:0:0:
354,79,257412,2,0,L|311:155,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
390,229,257817,2,0,P|386:266|357:298,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
328,309,258121,1,2,0:0:0:0:
328,309,258223,6,0,L|235:300,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,302,258628,2,0,P|136:310|102:334,2,70,8|2|8,0:0|0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
216,228,259236,1,2,0:1:0:0:
131,201,259439,2,0,P|96:199|43:213,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
32,176,259743,1,2,0:0:0:0:
32,176,259844,2,0,P|70:136|143:113,1,105,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
158,119,260250,2,0,L|247:137,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
244,171,260554,1,2,0:0:0:0:
244,171,260655,6,0,L|333:189,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
371,246,261060,2,0,P|391:273|391:317,2,70,8|2|8,0:0|0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,162,261668,1,2,0:1:0:0:
366,79,261871,2,0,P|339:53|288:35,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,36,262175,2,0,L|214:35,1,35,2|4,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
148,45,262479,1,8,0:3:0:0:
133,124,262682,2,0,P|167:125|198:109,1,70,4|2,0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
239,120,262986,1,2,0:0:0:0:
239,120,263087,6,0,P|297:164|319:246,1,140,4|8,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
206,310,263696,2,0,P|147:265|126:184,1,140,2|2,0:3|0:1,0:0:0:0:
54,157,264304,2,0,L|33:229,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
42,246,264608,1,2,0:0:0:0:
50,265,264709,1,2,0:1:0:0:
206,310,265114,2,0,P|242:292|279:257,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
266,231,265418,1,2,0:0:0:0:
266,231,265520,6,0,P|239:202|235:153,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
277,87,265925,2,0,P|315:78|360:99,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
394,171,266331,2,0,P|382:208|341:236,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:1,0:0:0:0:
266,231,266736,2,0,P|239:202|235:153,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
248,156,267040,1,2,0:0:0:0:
269,147,267141,1,2,0:1:0:0:
351,104,267344,1,2,0:0:0:0:
441,121,267548,2,0,P|421:150|394:171,1,70,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
266,231,267952,6,0,P|201:204|157:142,1,140,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
246,37,268560,2,0,P|311:64|354:125,1,140,2|2,0:3|0:1,0:0:0:0:
363,215,269169,2,0,P|360:256|347:286,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,299,269473,1,2,0:0:0:0:
318,310,269574,1,2,0:1:0:0:
149,319,269979,2,0,P|151:278|171:238,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
204,253,270283,1,2,0:0:0:0:
203,252,270385,6,0,P|238:255|272:245,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
343,186,270790,2,0,P|362:156|368:91,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
279,86,271196,2,0,P|259:115|253:180,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:1,0:0:0:0:
272,246,271601,2,0,P|287:277|341:315,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
331,314,271905,1,2,0:0:0:0:
352,320,272006,1,8,0:3:0:0:
435,308,272209,1,10,0:3:0:0:
374,248,272412,2,0,P|323:238|272:246,1,105,4|0,0:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
233,264,272817,6,0,L|203:313,1,52.5000020027161,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
129,329,273223,1,0,0:0:0:0:
57,297,273425,1,2,0:0:0:0:
29,141,273831,1,0,0:0:0:0:
59,68,274033,1,0,0:0:0:0:
133,94,274236,1,8,0:0:0:0:
102,167,274439,2,0,P|169:166|203:127,1,105.000004005432
296,9,275250,5,0,0:0:0:0:
448,46,275655,2,0,L|466:117,1,52.5000020027161,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
403,150,276060,2,0,L|421:221,1,52.5000020027161,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
386,274,276466,1,0,0:0:0:0:
459,300,276668,1,8,0:0:0:0:
489,227,276871,1,0,0:0:0:0:
313,304,277277,1,0,0:0:0:0:
239,275,277479,1,0,0:0:0:0:
220,264,277581,1,2,0:0:0:0:
201,253,277682,6,0,P|146:245|95:279,1,105.000004005432
162,320,278290,1,0,0:0:0:0:
243,363,278493,1,0,0:0:0:0:
313,304,278696,1,2,0:0:0:0:
341,217,278898,2,0,L|325:149,1,52.5000020027161,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,120,279304,2,0,L|249:172,1,52.5000020027161
308,72,279709,1,8,0:0:0:0:
145,150,280114,6,0,L|119:257,2,105.000004005432,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
156,67,281331,2,0,P|256:39|356:67,1,210.000008010865,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
367,150,282547,6,0,L|393:257,2,105.000004005432,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
304,218,283763,2,0,P|256:238|208:218,2,105.000004005432,0|2|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,148,284878,6,0,L|256:112,2,26.2500010013581
256,319,286297,2,0,L|256:344,3,17.500000667572
256,192,289844,12,0,297141,3:0:0:0:
thx for modding irre!!Irreversible wrote:
hello~ time to check the rhythm first!
[Extra]
00:02:665 (1) - Is that unsnapped? I doubt that it's 1/16 right, changed
please recheck all stuff that follows the piano in the begin, sometimes it has a quite odd snapping.. coz the song itself plays like that odd orz fixed some and i think they r fine now
00:47:817 - To avoid having a too spammed rhythm here, can you try this? http://puu.sh/aDbSb.png It follows the vocals nicely~ tried and i think it's cool, changed
00:50:655 (1,1) - remove NC, since they're all in one sentence imo. my bad, fixed
00:53:087 (1,1) - too ^
01:00:384 (2) - If you want to use more rhythm, you have the best chance here - you can use more beats here if you want! lol, here i think follow the drum is good enough www
01:09:709 - This part has an odd rhythm too. While I think it works, my suggestion would only contain overmap too... maybe you can think of something else? uhh... this is some kind of odd to some people maybe, but it plays nice. well idk if this set is the best choice, but i just keep it now 0.0
01:25:824 (2) - remove nc fixed, and 01:27:040 (1) - as well
01:59:979 (2) - remove nc oh, here's an sv changing before this nc, maybe keep it is better?
02:00:790 (4) - add nc changed and 01:58:358 (3) - as well
02:18:223 (2,3) - remove nc fixed
02:20:656 (1,1) - remove nc fixed
02:26:331 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - While the Ncing looks fancy, it doesn't really make sense, does it? I think it's readable without the spam. Please rearrange the Nc. it's totally my bad to set this stupid nc stuff, all fixed
03:38:391 (1) - remove nc ok
03:39:000 - I don't understand this rhythm, I guess you could just follow the vocals with the slider before, right? right, changed rhythm here
04:01:601 (1) - remove nc uhh... sv changing here, keep this to help reading the slider?
04:05:959 (1) - remove NC right
04:06:060 (2) - add nc ^
04:06:466 (1) - remove nc sv changing here as well... i think i can larger ds here, it feels better imo
04:19:236 (3,4,1) - REALLY weird 1/4 jump, please just make it regular
04:20:553 (3,1) - same, i guess this will just cause frustration instead of something elsethou i really love this pattern, but seems it really don't work well at this part indeed, so i decide to change this ;w; changed to another pattern
About rhythm: Most of it is really better now, try to fix the rhythms above and we're on a good way. it really took much time to deal with that, yes ;w;
About NC: Fix the ones above, please, I guess you sometimes make it quite wrong. Why would you add a NC on a blue tick? Remember: Use it on a new sentence, or a new downbeat (White tick). my bad to set nc like that, already fixed ;w;
About placing: It's okay mostly, I don't want to say too much to that, it seems fun to me. thx ;w;
Will mod the rest after applying.
thank u irre! >.<Irreversible wrote:
Rebubbled~
We got rid off some more weird rhythm, and improved some placement, but after all the map is really good as it is now!
Good luck HW~
Hollow Wings wrote:
梶浦由记你就是个挂
10:34 *Lust pokes
10:44 Hollow Wings: recongraz to be a bat!!
10:45 Lust: thank you >w<
10:45 Hollow Wings: so
10:45 Hollow Wings: can i rank that 1 month long bubbled one lo
10:45 Hollow Wings: l
10:45 Lust: of course, thats why i poked you :P
10:46 Hollow Wings: hmm? u poke me??
10:46 Hollow Wings: oh, maybe i just lagged and can't see ur post ;w;
10:46 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGD1o/f288bc3c8c.jpg QAQ
10:47 Hollow Wings: >.<
10:48 Hollow Wings: i just disconnected to osu serverse
10:49 Hollow Wings: do we need further mod or?
10:49 Hollow Wings: just irc or something?
10:49 Lust: just irc :3
10:49 Hollow Wings: ok w
10:52 Lust: give me a few moments o u o
10:52 Hollow Wings: ok ovo
10:54 *Lust is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/469565 Kalafina - Kimi no Gin no Niwa [Extra]]
10:55 Lust: 00:00:207 (1) - are you sure this is snapped to 1/16? i feel like it can actually end on the white tick
10:55 Hollow Wings: let me see
10:56 Hollow Wings: oh, i can promise this slider is snapped right
10:56 Hollow Wings: if that end is on the white line, there'll be offset, really
10:56 Lust: alright, just making sure
10:57 Hollow Wings: >.<
10:58 Lust: 00:02:690 (1) - here i would think it would make more sense and sound better to the music if you had it start on the blue tick
10:59 Lust: also, being on tick it is now it can be a little surprising to the gameplay
10:59 Hollow Wings: uh...
11:00 Hollow Wings: maybe u can listen to the song with 25% playback rate at this part...
11:00 Hollow Wings: not sure if it's perfect but...
11:00 Hollow Wings: if it starts at blue line, it'll be offset too...
11:01 Hollow Wings: i understand
11:01 Hollow Wings: hmm
11:01 Hollow Wings: alright
11:01 Hollow Wings: i'll just change the rhythm here
11:01 Hollow Wings: i'll give a 1/8 slider start at 00:02:817
11:02 Hollow Wings: do u think it's better in playing and set?
11:02 Lust: hmmm yeah much better, now the strong beat there is accented by a slider start as opposed to a slider end
11:02 Lust: which is a lot more satisfying to play
11:03 Hollow Wings: ok www
11:03 Hollow Wings: oh, i need to fix the same part at insane diff
11:04 Hollow Wings: oh, no same rhythm here, insane just has a note www
11:04 Lust: xDDD
11:07 Hollow Wings: >.<
11:08 Lust: 01:14:978 (5,1) - to avoid any potential unqualifications, i suggest you move 1's repeat to another location because 01:14:978 (5) - 's hitburst covers it for a short while
11:08 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGEj1/ef94ca8e8b.jpg
11:09 Hollow Wings: ok
11:09 Hollow Wings: changed
11:10 Lust: i mean it plays find and players can guess that there is a repeat there and most people do not play with the default skin anyway, but you know how QAT members xD
11:11 Hollow Wings: i see, thou idk if skin's combo "300" overlapped that arrow's unrankble or not...
11:11 Hollow Wings: anyway, i changed this to anohter style
11:12 Lust: 01:20:047 (3,4,5) - this pattern can appear as confusing, because 3 jumps cross screen to 4 and then 5 suddenly changes the direction of the play
11:12 Lust: when jumping, players also may not notice 4's location and go straight to 5
11:13 Hollow Wings: hmm
11:13 Hollow Wings: thou this is somekind of my fav pattern
11:13 Hollow Wings: to pro, they can read 4 before hit 5, truely
11:13 Lust: yeah, it looks really neat although it doesnt play as well as i hoped
11:13 Lust: i am not really concerned about that aspect
11:14 Lust: its the drastic flow change that i worry about
11:14 Hollow Wings: hmm yep
11:15 Hollow Wings: 01:20:249 (4,5) - i'll move this to274,185
11:15 Hollow Wings: together with that location
11:15 Hollow Wings: so players can play this pattern with smaller jump
11:16 Hollow Wings: and see that note clearly
11:16 Hollow Wings: thou that flow is a special or weird flow
11:16 Hollow Wings: but i think it's really good in playing when it's easy to catch
11:16 Hollow Wings: also adjust 01:20:655 (1) - 's position to keep blanket
11:17 Hollow Wings: is that ok to u ovo
11:17 Lust: one second let me test it
11:17 Hollow Wings: ok w
11:19 Lust: 01:20:047 (3) - move this to maybe 487:288 so the play is a little less sharp and more comfortable
11:19 Lust: or a location similar
11:20 Hollow Wings: ok
11:20 Hollow Wings: done
11:20 Hollow Wings: ofc
11:20 Hollow Wings: i'll adjust ds here
11:22 Lust: if you do this, it plays much better
11:22 Hollow Wings: yeah right
11:22 Hollow Wings: i'm just upload my screenshot
11:22 Hollow Wings: (in low speed
11:23 Lust: orz why does chinese people always have hard time uploading photos ;w;
11:23 Lust: whenever irie wants to send me a photo it takes so long ;w;w;w;
11:23 Hollow Wings: http://puu.sh/bGFjv/bde728f8cc.jpg
11:23 Hollow Wings: coz chinese network sucks
11:24 Hollow Wings: and also blocked to lots of sites
11:24 Lust: exactly what i had, perfect
11:24 Lust: yeah i am aware of that orz
11:24 Hollow Wings: like google, facebook or youtube ;w;
11:24 Lust: sites like twitter and youtube
11:24 Hollow Wings: lol ok!
11:24 Hollow Wings: yeah ;w;
11:29 Lust: alright that should be about it for the extra diff
11:29 Hollow Wings: ok! >.<
11:38 Lust: wow i am really impressed by this insane
11:38 Lust: sorry for the late response, i am checking everything at the moment
11:38 Hollow Wings: no problem
11:38 Lust: i think it expresses the song quite wonderfully
11:38 Hollow Wings: i'm appreciate that u can check this w
11:39 Hollow Wings: haha ok
11:39 Lust: some spacings could use some work but overall i think its quite indeed playable and fun to play at that
11:40 Hollow Wings: hmm alright
11:40 Hollow Wings: if those r in ok-level to u www
11:40 Lust: they are perfectly fine to me
11:40 Hollow Wings: ok >.<
11:43 Lust: hmmm there is one part in minakami yuki's part in the hard that i would like to see changed but hes not online zzz
11:43 Hollow Wings: i'll call him right now
11:45 Lust: if you could that would be great
11:45 Lust: its just one suggestion
11:45 Hollow Wings: ok, can i just listen to it in advance?
11:46 Lust: 04:12:141 (1,2,3,1) - here the play is rather sharp, the slider velocity on 04:12:141 (1) - is not quite enough to flow smoothly in to the triplet
11:47 Lust: the result is a pretty awkward play when the majority flows rather well
11:47 Hollow Wings: lol that's just my part orz
11:47 Hollow Wings: i adjust his part to collab mine
11:47 Hollow Wings: those notes
11:47 Hollow Wings: ;w;
11:47 Hollow Wings: i'll fix that
11:47 Lust: alright, that is fine if he doesnt mind
11:48 Hollow Wings: i had his permission to change this now
11:49 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGGSf/f1680eb6d8.jpg something like this could work rather nicely
11:49 Hollow Wings: ok w
11:49 Hollow Wings: that's exactly what i'm doing
11:49 Lust: perfect! :3
11:50 Hollow Wings: done!
11:50 Hollow Wings: i called yuki
11:50 Hollow Wings: he's online now
11:50 Lust: yeah i saw he just came online
11:50 Hollow Wings: >.<
11:52 Lust: 01:54:709 (1) - is this spinner yours or yuki's part?
11:52 Hollow Wings: yuki
11:53 Hollow Wings: delete it?
11:53 Hollow Wings: w
11:53 Lust: i think he should map it out
11:54 Lust: 01:55:925 - atleast starting from here
11:54 Hollow Wings: ok
11:54 Hollow Wings: changed
11:58 Lust: normal looks good
11:58 Lust: update the mapset and let me have a final recheck
11:58 Hollow Wings: ok! >.<
11:59 Hollow Wings: ok!!!
11:59 Hollow Wings: thx a lot!!! >.<
12:00 Lust: ah just in time
12:01 Hollow Wings: done!
12:01 Lust: 8 maps were ranked yesterday, and the timer expired just now
12:01 Hollow Wings: www
12:01 Hollow Wings: oh really? lol
12:01 Hollow Wings: i didn't notice that ;w;
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
Flask wrote:
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
I really want you to replace the soft-hitnormal with this http://puu.sh/bGWHq/9ea6aaaa5b.zip please take this into consideration if by any chance this gets unqualified. ;_;http://osu.ppy.sh/s/131685Melophobia wrote:
wow this insane is
More importantly, I think source is "劇場版 魔法少女まどかマギカ[新編]叛逆の物語" which is romanized into "Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari". (I suggest using the formar as Source, since the romanized one looks terrible. lol)
thx for modding! and updated nowTicClick wrote:
Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:[Extra][Insane]
- It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals: they r not forced and needless to use, if turn those extended sliders into 1/2 ones, still can't express long consecutive vocal melody. use 3/4 ones can do that better than 1/2 ones. and also it's not a rare example to set rhythms like this, u can find sets which exactly the same ones in lots of lots of ranked maps nowadays.
- 00:10:520 (2) -
- 00:21:060 (3,4) -
- 00:23:493 (4,5) -
and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
- A couple of patterns that are very uncomfortable and unnatural to play:
- 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5) - thou i can't find issue here, i still reversed slider 1
- 03:45:384 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - changed 8,9,10's order into 9,10,8 with better flow and phasis jump to 1 behind
Now about suggestions (Insane diff.)The rest of the set (Hard, Normal) is surprisingly good. Also note this mapset will be handled by BAT from now on, but you are encouraged to collect some mods first, given the fact that Insane requires.. uh, more attention. hmm, does 32 bats' mods already enough?
- Insane has very inconsistent spacing and spacing changes that don't look logical at all, except the parts with vocal, maybe. They probably follow the song or attempt to do so, but in such manner that the whole map consists of random and hardly predictable speedups and slowdowns. I'd even consider things like 04:27:547 (1) as spacing errors if they didn't have new combo. that's also a kind of pattern used in so much ranked maps nowadays, some kind of ds or sv or rhythm shifting noticed by nc
- It is suggested to use CS 4.5 and OD 6.5 on Insane to make a better spread; having Extra with CS lower than on Insane looks like Extra's CS was set up that way solely to make it more playable and to justify high SV and rapid jumps. changed
- You got at least one slider following vocals in an incorrect way: 01:19:946 (6) should be starting from the white tick before it. changed rhythm here into 2 notes
P.S. Regarding the source: it's better to use original (Japanese) spelling, as Melo suggested. changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be ranked
Wait what pause for a secondTicClick wrote:
Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:
[notice][Extra]
- It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals:
- 00:10:520 (2) -
- 00:21:060 (3,4) -
- 00:23:493 (4,5) -
and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
thx for modding!Desperate-kun wrote:
I'd like to add a problem I found when looking through the map:
[Normal]
00:04:033 (2) - I wouldn't use multiple-reverse-sliders in a Normal, especially not in the easiest difficulty. The multiple repeats aren't visible early enough. Try to replace it by two 1/2-sliders and a circle, or simplify the rhythm by using an 1/1-reverse-slider (maybe with a red anchor in the middle, then it has almost the same effect as your current slider has.)
The same applies for the other slider that you used later on. yes i agree with u, checked all reversing sliders and fixed all these patterns (sry Desperate-kun i disapointted u again in lower diffs ;w;
Good luck with re-ranking this mapset! The Extra is very fun to play, as always!
changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be rankedThings ain't what they used to be, there's a good chance that they have something wrong (Apparently in this case the source was just overlooked though) Keep in mind that you shouldn't refer to ranked maps blindly.
How did you even notice the difference?Melophobia wrote:
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女.
his eyes got swag.xxdeathx wrote:
How did you even notice the difference?Melophobia wrote:
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女.
This makes me giggle when I see people perceive that 3/4 extended slider is being used for emphasizing the vocal where the music doesn't present.Zare wrote:
Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
Zare wrote:
i really agree what those said, and that's what exactly why i or other mappers use 3/4 sliders for beats like that. my bad english just can't express this, thx those and Zare for state this point of view clearly ;w;
Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
Unrank over shit rhythms such as
01:04:033 (2) -
01:09:912 (2) -
01:11:939 (1) -
03:24:709 (1,2) -
because these are actually bad
the sliders ending on blue ticks in order to emphasize vocals or violin melodys are NOT. yeah, maybe that should be a note to emphasis the vocal beat at the end, thou idk why people can't accept it while others do it in their maps as well
Frostmourne wrote:
This makes me giggle when I see people perceive that 3/4 extended slider is being used for emphasizing the vocal where the music doesn't present.Zare wrote:
Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
DakeDekaane wrote:
It's not just about the extended sliders, it's about the abuse of them, I mean, I don't like this "technique" but I don't say you must not use them at all, they could be used, but sparingly, because when you abuse of this, the ones that really could fit gets lost, as they wouldn't be that "unique". i know lots of mappers don't agree with that even bats like u, thou i still wanna keep them... ;w;
00:10:114 (1,2,3) - 00:14:979 (1,2,3) - uhm, I can see a lot of inconsistencies here, despite the music being similar. uh... must similiar song's part be set with similiar rhythm? orz
01:05:959 (7) - Also there's this kinda random triples, some of them are really intrusive and doesn't compliment the song at all, if you wanted to emphasize this, a bigger jump would've been better. 01:05:655 (6,7,1) - this pattern is just like 02:33:425 (8,9,1) - as a maybe consistencies thing or trick in this map?
01:25:114 (5) - This could be better as a 1/2 slider as you're passing over a stronger beat. i can agree with this, changed
01:26:331 (4) - ^ changed as well, and arranged 01:26:736 (1,2,3) - 's position to give a better ds setting with testing
02:11:736 (1,2) - I find this as a cool alternative when you want to create a hold feeling. various patterns maybe, people can select by themselves imo w
02:31:196 - 02:50:655 - This part is ridiculous, song isn't that dense on beats yet you have a lot of 1/4 stuff. just same ones as i mentioned
This is just some of the things I caught on first look, so take this just as my point of view. ok. thou actually i know DakeDekaane u hate 1/4 everywhere, still thx if u can accept them even exist
Good luck. >.<
Melophobia wrote:
I love how you ignored my suggestion.changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be rankedThings ain't what they used to be, there's a good chance that they have something wrong (Apparently in this case the source was just overlooked though) Keep in mind that you shouldn't refer to ranked maps blindly.
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more..
1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女. http://puu.sh/bHyNJ/f2792bc0a6.jpg ←the original title here lol, thou i know it's "魔法" but look at this words! it's really like 廢怯 www. and another thing, "魔法" in japanese is still written as "魔法" in chinese, it's just that odd font to force me change this... if "魔法" is ok as it's true meaning in that title and to the rank system in tags, ofc why not fix this w
2)"Yuki" is duplicate, remove one of them. fixed
3) Add the romanized source; Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari" into the tags. These pretty much put every metadata in order. fixed
Good luck on the way. :3 apologize to u again thou orz
Minakami Yuki wrote:
I RECOMMEND TO CHANGE [MINAKAMI YUKI] TO MINAKAMI YUKI IN THE SB THANKS
changed, yuki moe~
kamisamaaa wrote:
If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style.
kamisamaaa wrote:
If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style.
Kodora wrote:
Guu wrote:
If 3/4 sliders were replaced by 1/2 ones, I won't love this map so much.
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: irc is fine imo?
2014-09-22 02:45 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: ok~
2014-09-22 02:52 koreapenguin: 01:29:371 (6,7) - about this
2014-09-22 02:53 on insane *
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: hmm?
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: yep
2014-09-22 02:54 Hollow Wings: 0.0
2014-09-22 02:54 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 02:56 koreapenguin: how about 01:28:763 (1) - nc here, 01:28:155 (2) - when do play that feel some weird
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: and 01:31:196 (1) - as well right?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: yea right same as
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: 01:38:493 (3) - and 01:40:925 (3) - ?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: it more better when do play
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 02:58 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: changed thou
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) -
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: as song fit
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: that notes get jump is right
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) - move on 02:21:871 (2) - slider head or other place
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: 02:25:925 (4) - same this
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: i think the jump here's fine
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: 02:22:681 (3,4) - u can have same pattern here
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: some kind of ds shifting
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: >.<
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: hum.
2014-09-22 03:03 koreapenguin: 02:22:681 (3) - how about move on 02:23:898 (1) - this slider head
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: lol seems u r serious about that don't u ww
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: alright
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: changed
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: but those slider's positions will be changed as well
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: ya
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: and i have same think with ticclick
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: odd to play?
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: ok changed to another style
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: especially flow
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: 02:42:141 (5,6,7) -
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIdCN/5c30dd0090.jpg how about this
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: 02:42:446 (6,7,8) -
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: you can feel song is gradually strong
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: about vocal
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: D: my bad english sorry
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: i hope your understanding T^T
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: i understand
2014-09-22 03:10 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: give a larger ds here
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: sure
2014-09-22 03:11 koreapenguin: 02:49:034 (3,4) - ._.
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: 02:53:088 (1) - http://puu.sh/bIdYc/c5801d131b.jpg it flow is better and,02:53:088 (1) - as song fit, it must got jump
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: get*
2014-09-22 03:14 Hollow Wings: ok changed
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 03:28:155 (3) - how about keep using DS?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 1.8* ?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: becuz
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: 03:28:155 (3) - i'll just move this to 301,313
2014-09-22 03:17 koreapenguin: :D b
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: i think it's better to u
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: for theirs no special beats here
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: is that ur meaning?
2014-09-22 03:18 koreapenguin: i don't know D:
2014-09-22 03:19 Hollow Wings: lol ok
2014-09-22 03:19 koreapenguin: and you don't must fix them D: it just my opinion D:
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: i don't want breaks your style
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i've reject one of ur mod already lol
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: xD
2014-09-22 03:21 koreapenguin: 03:45:182 (4,5) - got a big jump so 03:45:385 (5) - nc here it would be easier to play
2014-09-22 03:22 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: nc's not necessary here, thou those r big jumps, still easy to read those patterns
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: so it's not that needed to spread patterns with nc imo
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: yap ;3
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIeP5/9bdc1e9892.png how about this :3 ?
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: 03:43:560 (1,2) -
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: changed but in another composing
2014-09-22 03:26 koreapenguin: 03:56:330 (1) - as song's fit place jump is better than close DS
2014-09-22 03:27 koreapenguin: some 04:00:992 (9,1) - like this, hear the song, not matched D:
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: so they play them will be confused
2014-09-22 03:28 Hollow Wings: 03:56:330 (1) - moved to 118,76
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: 04:00:992 (9) - moved to 477,121
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: with these changes it'll be better imo
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: has many jumps map is fun but, hear song's fit and place jumps it more fun :3
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - orz
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: i see
2014-09-22 03:30 koreapenguin: feel so weird you can makes more clearly
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: thou the map's just like this now orz
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - this is just a pattern orz
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: if keep that pattern, 04:06:466 (3,4) -
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: weird flow D;
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: really common one in ranked maps nowadays
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIfB2/8318fb3720.jpg
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: 04:40:520 (2,1) - look so better :3
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: just my think
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: see
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: ohh
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: it's really late here
thx for modding!koreapenguin wrote:
Help
Normal, Callab HardInsane
- - fine to me
IRC Mod2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: irc is fine imo?
2014-09-22 02:45 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: ok~
2014-09-22 02:52 koreapenguin: 01:29:371 (6,7) - about this
2014-09-22 02:53 on insane *
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: hmm?
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: yep
2014-09-22 02:54 Hollow Wings: 0.0
2014-09-22 02:54 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 02:56 koreapenguin: how about 01:28:763 (1) - nc here, 01:28:155 (2) - when do play that feel some weird
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: and 01:31:196 (1) - as well right?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: yea right same as
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: 01:38:493 (3) - and 01:40:925 (3) - ?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: it more better when do play
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 02:58 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: changed thou
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) -
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: as song fit
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: that notes get jump is right
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) - move on 02:21:871 (2) - slider head or other place
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: 02:25:925 (4) - same this
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: i think the jump here's fine
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: 02:22:681 (3,4) - u can have same pattern here
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: some kind of ds shifting
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: >.<
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: hum.
2014-09-22 03:03 koreapenguin: 02:22:681 (3) - how about move on 02:23:898 (1) - this slider head
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: lol seems u r serious about that don't u ww
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: alright
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: changed
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: but those slider's positions will be changed as well
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: ya
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: and i have same think with ticclick
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: odd to play?
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: ok changed to another style
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: especially flow
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: 02:42:141 (5,6,7) -
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIdCN/5c30dd0090.jpg how about this
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: 02:42:446 (6,7,8) -
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: you can feel song is gradually strong
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: about vocal
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: D: my bad english sorry
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: i hope your understanding T^T
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: i understand
2014-09-22 03:10 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: give a larger ds here
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: sure
2014-09-22 03:11 koreapenguin: 02:49:034 (3,4) - ._.
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: 02:53:088 (1) - http://puu.sh/bIdYc/c5801d131b.jpg it flow is better and,02:53:088 (1) - as song fit, it must got jump
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: get*
2014-09-22 03:14 Hollow Wings: ok changed
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 03:28:155 (3) - how about keep using DS?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 1.8* ?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: becuz
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: 03:28:155 (3) - i'll just move this to 301,313
2014-09-22 03:17 koreapenguin: :D b
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: i think it's better to u
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: for theirs no special beats here
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: is that ur meaning?
2014-09-22 03:18 koreapenguin: i don't know D:
2014-09-22 03:19 Hollow Wings: lol ok
2014-09-22 03:19 koreapenguin: and you don't must fix them D: it just my opinion D:
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: i don't want breaks your style
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i've reject one of ur mod already lol
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: xD
2014-09-22 03:21 koreapenguin: 03:45:182 (4,5) - got a big jump so 03:45:385 (5) - nc here it would be easier to play
2014-09-22 03:22 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: nc's not necessary here, thou those r big jumps, still easy to read those patterns
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: so it's not that needed to spread patterns with nc imo
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: yap ;3
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIeP5/9bdc1e9892.png how about this :3 ?
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: 03:43:560 (1,2) -
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: changed but in another composing
2014-09-22 03:26 koreapenguin: 03:56:330 (1) - as song's fit place jump is better than close DS
2014-09-22 03:27 koreapenguin: some 04:00:992 (9,1) - like this, hear the song, not matched D:
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: so they play them will be confused
2014-09-22 03:28 Hollow Wings: 03:56:330 (1) - moved to 118,76
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: 04:00:992 (9) - moved to 477,121
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: with these changes it'll be better imo
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: has many jumps map is fun but, hear song's fit and place jumps it more fun :3
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - orz
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: i see
2014-09-22 03:30 koreapenguin: feel so weird you can makes more clearly
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: thou the map's just like this now orz
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - this is just a pattern orz
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: if keep that pattern, 04:06:466 (3,4) -
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: weird flow D;
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: really common one in ranked maps nowadays
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIfB2/8318fb3720.jpg
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: 04:40:520 (2,1) - look so better :3
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: just my think
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: see
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: ohh
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: it's really late here
Extra
- 03:23:493 (1) - Ctrl+G is better, and for next note's flow wanna emphasis here with angled flow, so i choose keep it 0.0
- 03:11:331 (4) - New combo here same as Insane for it its a really consistent part in this diff's set, no nc here to show that is better imo 0.0
that's all :3
but osu! is a rhythm game, not a hit objects with background music.HanzeR wrote:
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
^thisHanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
but a song shouldn't be mapped in a way that the rhythm is being altered or "improvised" in any way, shape or form by how the map itself plays out. Where's your appreciation of the original song? And if "additive mapping" is your alibi, or whatever it is, this map doesn't sound like it's being mapped "additively"(?) but more of an improvisation of the song which is personally not really an improvisation but a downgrade. I like the hitsounds, but how the map plays out.... SICKENS me to the stomach.HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
but a song shouldn't be mapped in a way that the rhythm is being altered or "improvised" in any way, shape or form by how the map itself plays out. Where's your appreciation of the original song? And if "additive mapping" is your alibi, or whatever it is, this map doesn't sound like it's being mapped "additively"(?) but more of an improvisation of the song which is not really an improvisation but a downgrade to many others since this is mostly reading "oh when's another 1/8 slider going to pop up" or "hey, when's another triple spaced stream or that other inconsistent spaced notes gonna show up?". I like the hitsounds, but how the map plays out.... SICKENS me to the stomach.[ Madoka ] wrote:
HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
but osu! is a rhythm game, not a hit objects with background music.what
season finale of PERSONAL MATTERS (TM) only on PUBLIC BEATMAPPING FORUM (C)hannel every sunday night at 10 don't miss itthose wrote:
You DO realize that you're saying that to the person that mapped Miss You, right?
Or in other words, these words will be wasted
I hope you aren't serious with this statement.HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
I don't think the rhythm has been altered. Apperantly, many players said the additive things make the song more expressive. The only thing confused me at first was the varied SV, which is not a problem anymore after several play counts.[ Madoka ] wrote:
but a song shouldn't be mapped in a way that the rhythm is being altered or "improvised" in any way, shape or form by how the map itself plays out. Where's your appreciation of the original song? And if "additive mapping" is your alibi, or whatever it is, this map doesn't sound like it's being mapped "additively"(?) but more of an improvisation of the song which is not really an improvisation but a downgrade to many others since this is mostly reading "oh when's another 1/8 slider going to pop up" or "hey, when's another triple spaced stream or that other inconsistent spaced notes gonna show up?". I like the hitsounds, but how the map plays out.... SICKENS me to the stomach.
I thought you were joking though, but it seems I can agree with you somehow.HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
Sure. "additive mapping" or just overmapping or "putting unnecessary 1/4 sliders everywhere, inconsistent DS for triples and 1/2 rhythms, and random doubles everywhere." so expressive, ok. the problem with this is that many of these notes aren't even a part of the song.. especially with all the 1/4 sliders, triples, and doubles in the last kiai. It sure is expressive i'll give you that, but not everyone gets the same idea of the rhythm that is presented in this map since most of the rhythm is MADE UP, not based on the song. The only suggestion i could give is just follow the damn rhythm since i mean...Guu wrote:
I don't think the rhythm has been altered. Apperantly, many players said the additive things make the song more expressive. The only thing confused me at first was the varied SV, which is not a problem anymore after several play counts.
I can't see the necessity of complaining such a lot here to upset the mapper and those people who love this map. When there's something make you uncomfortable, it would be perfect if you could give some specific suggestions on improving.
this made me want to just obfszphks;lhjavpv[o. you can't compare a dubstep song with this song... they're completely different ffs. what gives you the idea that comparing both of these maps is a good idea anyways?[/quote]kamisamaaa wrote:
I think you bats can ask for some experienced players' idea if this map suit for the music.
I feel this map can express the music nice when I'm playing, though the music is claim.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/132586
this map is also use soooo many 3/4 but it get ranked.
Learn to respect people before you expect others to respect you and listen to your opinions. Being rude doesn't help with anything.[ Madoka ] wrote:
Sure. "additive mapping" or just overmapping or "putting unnecessary 1/4 sliders everywhere, inconsistent DS for triples and 1/2 rhythms, and random doubles everywhere." so expressive, ok. the problem with this is that many of these notes aren't even a part of the song.. especially with all the 1/4 sliders, triples, and doubles in the last kiai. It sure is expressive i'll give you that, but not everyone gets the same idea of the rhythm that is presented in this map since most of the rhythm is MADE UP, not based on the song. The only suggestion i could give is just follow the damn rhythm since i mean...
Not everyone gets the same idea -> someone likes the rhythm, if my interpretation is correct. Arguing that some people don't like the "made up" rhythm is not enough, in that it does not disprove the fact that other people may like the rhythm. What you have to show is that there exists some valid improvement that makes both parties of people appreciate the rhythm more, which you, through your impatient and rude "mod", failed to show.
"Follow the rhythm" is a vague statement which is always debatable. Unfortunately, the reality is that there are many ways to follow the "damn" rhythm for any single song and few mappers actually follow the rhythm note by note (the most simple examples are the added triples, which, unfortunately, is not a Hollow Wings invention neither). Many mods that tell the mapper to "follow the rhythm" are just an euphemism for "I would map the song this way but you didn't and I don't like the map so here is an convenient reason for you to listen to me and if you do not you suck because you break the rules".
I am not saying that all such mods are bad, good modders give such suggestions that improve the map in general and make all parties, including the mapper, those who love traditional note-by-note mapping and those who love creative mappings, happy. Bad modders exert their myopic beliefs upon the mapper, forcing the mapper to change towards something bad, pissing off people and never getting any improvement. Unfortunately, again, I feel that you belong to the latter group.
03:44:371 (2,3,4) - why is this here, how is this supported by the song? Well I may agree with you that this is not supported by the song, but I like the extra hitsounds here as the last kiai is supposed to be the most elevated one
04:03:324 (2) - why the hell is this here??? where is the sound of a triple? The flow slowed down at the previous notes and I feel this is a good way to get the flow accelerating again
04:09:101 (4,5,6) - ??????? !!!!!!
04:21:466 (4,1) - ????? !!!!!!
04:25:925 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - why are these all sliders? As far as I feel, when the slider ends are muted, they sound just like notes. Just treat those sliders as a way to control the flow and everything will make sense
04:30:182 (1) - why is this here when 04:29:979 (1) - could've just been a 3/4 or 1/1 slider? There is obviously a different between a constant speed flow and a sudden deceleration and the re-acceleration
04:32:006 (1) - why can't this just be a 1/2 repeat slider if it's going to emphasize the instrument? or at the very least make is circles close to each other since the instrument that's being emphasized here isn't even that loud.Why do we need to put jumps when 1x ds could emphasize all the beats? I do agree somehow that the spacing is too large, tho
just a quick look.. in the third kiai.. i would find a lot more of these in the previous kiais but cba to look for it.this made me want to just obfszphks;lhjavpv[o. you can't compare a dubstep song with this song... they're completely different ffs. what gives you the idea that comparing both of these maps is a good idea anyways?kamisamaaa wrote:
I think you bats can ask for some experienced players' idea if this map suit for the music.
I feel this map can express the music nice when I'm playing, though the music is claim.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/132586
this map is also use soooo many 3/4 but it get ranked.
This is like saying we can't apply the rules in computing 1+1 into computing 2+2 since 1 and 2 are different numbers. Yes, music styles differ, but 3/4 sliders are used, in both songs, to emphasize prolonged notes (at least from my glance at both). A prolonged note is a prolonged note, no matter if its a violin one or an electronic one. If you are not satisfied, go to the ranked version of this song and 3/4 sliders is also used in this way.
thx for modding!!Frostmourne wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2086821
http://puu.sh/bTRUG.osr wow pro >.<
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00:56:331 (1,2) - This is difficult to guess and estimate which position is landing on. The previous rhythm on 00:53:898 (1,2,3) - guides that making 1/2 is the best and is corresponding. i see, thou i think the vocal's different in these two parts, i'll change this into 1/2 slider but keep the end at the same place
02:33:425 (8,9,1) - This flows quite difficult to move and feels forceful to do. Reducing its spacing to the like on 01:05:655 (6,7,1) - is better. (1.4x) ;w; ok, i admit it's some kind of forced to be like that, maybe it's just too excessived? fixed anyway
03:14:574 (1,1) - make them close to each other? possible to do it? if so, 03:15:790 (4,1) - this can be left because you fixed 03:14:574 (1,1) - so it guides players this direction changed as u said to both of them, and i hope the current one is good to u
03:41:736 (1,2) - make them close to each other as same as 03:39:304 (1,2) - or if you don't want that close, use around 2.3x as 03:40:520 (1,2) - did
It's nonsensical to have it end and force players to jump from 03:41:736 (1) - to 03:42:141 (2) - on such spacing. It's too easy to get x100 like a random.
Something like this is totally better and more comfortable to play. i completely agree with u, and i choose shorter the ds like u did as well
03:42:953 (1,2) - same as above, make them closer changed and changed the whole pattern after this as well, ofc with the correct ds
03:44:168 (1) - ctrl+h absolutely gives a better flow i've changed the pattern with the mod above, i think the flow's good now
04:00:587 (x) - should be a note and don't make jump like that, use this instead hmmmmm alright, but in different composing with similiar ds
04:01:601 (1) - shorten this slider by 1/4 to follow a significant sound of drum on 04:01:804. Following vocal here is like following something you can't predict as well as 00:56:331 (1,2) - right, changed rhythm and composing as well
04:02:412 (1,2) - same as above, and remove new combo on 04:03:020 (1) - after fixing changed
04:31:601 (1,2,1,2) - There is no need to make the last part cruel and break the combo just to piss people off.
You can adjust this way and let it flow with the 04:30:790 (1,2,1,2) - you did. my bad, changed the composing here, hope it can be better
I expect you to fix everything above. They are all of my critical playability concerns that I will never qualify anything containing these. yep, changed all
If you did fix everything above, I could be able to do something with this map after this. >.<I thought you were joking though, but it seems I can agree with you somehow. ;w;HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
