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首先，如果你的标准是有音乐，有图，两者能对上就行了，那么以下就当我没说。
我和Sco观点基本一样，而且我觉得你没有理解Sco陈述的理由。Sco用了“难”这个字可能导致你理解的偏差。这个难不是说相对于现在玩家水平的“玩起来难”，而是对于这个曲子这张图“过分解释”或者“过分渲染”了。一首歌的BPM并不是随便定的，BPM是决定歌曲基调的重要因素。假如你把一个70多BPM的做成一般动漫Insane那种难度，它的难度难不？不难，好多人随便FC甚至DT。 过分不？过分，因为毁歌了，意境没了，作曲家想要表达的情感被曲解了。Extra打个比方来说，就是把一首像Rose那样的钢琴曲用Demetori的方法remix，附加的节奏已经大幅改变了歌曲的BPM和节奏，完完全全破坏了音乐原有的感情，更不用说滑条速度在表现歌曲上起的作用也被无视了。这张图本质上就变得和那些unrank的跑道图或者csk的AR10图一样了——除了用来练习打图技术以外没有更多的意义。甚至还有可能不如那些图，因为那些图的选曲是符合作图的目的的。
再举个例子。最近的冬奥会，说说花样滑冰这个项目。这个项目和osu有类似之处：既包含体育的竞技成分，又包含音乐和舞蹈的艺术成分。现在短道速滑的速度肯定是越来越快，那么显然花样滑冰也可以提高滑行速度，为什么不把滑行速度作为成绩考量的重要因素？滑行速度难道不能体现技术吗？问题就在于，滑行速度会破坏花样滑冰舞蹈的美感。如果用短道速滑的方式去参加花样滑冰，结果就是除了快什么都没有，一定会得到很低的分数。
诚然，天下武功唯快不破，但osu特别是作图这里，和武功不一样。想想如果DT这个mod没有乘分会怎样——事实上没有乘分才是合理的，因为这是音乐游戏，而不是音乐游戏。
我和Sco观点基本一样，而且我觉得你没有理解Sco陈述的理由。Sco用了“难”这个字可能导致你理解的偏差。这个难不是说相对于现在玩家水平的“玩起来难”，而是对于这个曲子这张图“过分解释”或者“过分渲染”了。一首歌的BPM并不是随便定的，BPM是决定歌曲基调的重要因素。假如你把一个70多BPM的做成一般动漫Insane那种难度，它的难度难不？不难，好多人随便FC甚至DT。 过分不？过分，因为毁歌了，意境没了，作曲家想要表达的情感被曲解了。Extra打个比方来说，就是把一首像Rose那样的钢琴曲用Demetori的方法remix，附加的节奏已经大幅改变了歌曲的BPM和节奏，完完全全破坏了音乐原有的感情，更不用说滑条速度在表现歌曲上起的作用也被无视了。这张图本质上就变得和那些unrank的跑道图或者csk的AR10图一样了——除了用来练习打图技术以外没有更多的意义。甚至还有可能不如那些图，因为那些图的选曲是符合作图的目的的。
再举个例子。最近的冬奥会，说说花样滑冰这个项目。这个项目和osu有类似之处：既包含体育的竞技成分，又包含音乐和舞蹈的艺术成分。现在短道速滑的速度肯定是越来越快，那么显然花样滑冰也可以提高滑行速度，为什么不把滑行速度作为成绩考量的重要因素？滑行速度难道不能体现技术吗？问题就在于，滑行速度会破坏花样滑冰舞蹈的美感。如果用短道速滑的方式去参加花样滑冰，结果就是除了快什么都没有，一定会得到很低的分数。
诚然，天下武功唯快不破，但osu特别是作图这里，和武功不一样。想想如果DT这个mod没有乘分会怎样——事实上没有乘分才是合理的，因为这是音乐游戏，而不是音乐游戏。
Topic Starter
popner wrote:
过分不？过分，因为毁歌了，意境没了，作曲家想要表达的情感被曲解了。Extra打个比方来说，就是把一首像Rose那样的钢琴曲用Demetori的方法remix，附加的节奏已经大幅改变了歌曲的BPM和节奏，完完全全破坏了音乐原有的感情，更不用说滑条速度在表现歌曲上起的作用也被无视了。
也就是说我曲解了曲子里作者想要表达的情感？为什么我所理解的这个曲子就如ex这个难度一样呢。。。这个ex完全是按着我对曲子的理解做出来的的说。。。
再举个例子。最近的冬奥会，说说花样滑冰这个项目。这个项目和osu有类似之处：既包含体育的竞技成分，又包含音乐和舞蹈的艺术成分。现在短道速滑的速度肯定是越来越快，那么显然花样滑冰也可以提高滑行速度，为什么不把滑行速度作为成绩考量的重要因素？滑行速度难道不能体现技术吗？问题就在于，滑行速度会破坏花样滑冰舞蹈的美感。如果用短道速滑的方式去参加花样滑冰，结果就是除了快什么都没有，一定会得到很低的分数。
我不是为了鬼畜而鬼畜的。。。或许只是因为我表现的能力不够？但我依旧觉得现在这样很好啊。。。
诚然，天下武功唯快不破，但osu特别是作图这里，和武功不一样。想想如果DT这个mod没有乘分会怎样——事实上没有乘分才是合理的，因为这是音乐游戏，而不是音乐游戏。
是别人没法理解我想要表达的东西吗。。。也就是说mapper应该是去直接表达曲子而不是表达mapper所理解的曲子咯。。。？好吧。。。或许只是没法接受单单一个我而已。。。那也只能无奈了。。。
多谢看图！OVQ
[Collab Hard]
01:27:344 (2,3) - this jump is a bit huge for this diff imo
[Insane]
OD+1, it's too low imo
加了的话似乎Extra要OD8才行。。
[Extra]
00:02:682 (1) - 这个不repeat么
03:49:439 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:50:655 (1,2,3,4,5) - 04:31:601 (1,2,1,2,1) - 这几个地方能不能善良点啊orz
图没啥好说的
不过我在思考能不能泡
01:27:344 (2,3) - this jump is a bit huge for this diff imo
[Insane]
加了的话似乎Extra要OD8才行。。
[Extra]
00:02:682 (1) - 这个不repeat么
03:49:439 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:50:655 (1,2,3,4,5) - 04:31:601 (1,2,1,2,1) - 这几个地方能不能善良点啊orz
图没啥好说的
不过我在思考能不能泡
Topic Starter
thx for modding!wcx19911123 wrote:
[Insane]OD+1, it's too low imo
加了的话似乎Extra要OD8才行。。 好，我都改
[Extra]
00:02:682 (1) - 这个不repeat么 这个不是均匀的音，做repeat感觉很违和，所以就一个滑条过去了
03:49:439 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:50:655 (1,2,3,4,5) - 04:31:601 (1,2,1,2,1) - 这几个地方能不能善良点啊orz 这个不是那么难的。。。
图没啥好说的
不过我在思考能不能泡 先等yuki回复，再联系你
@HW
01:27:344 (2) - 移到286,5
还有tag里面那个mtbbsbe……后面的那个n呢。。。。
thanks for modding~
01:27:344 (2) - 移到286,5
还有tag里面那个mtbbsbe……后面的那个n呢。。。。
thanks for modding~
在诠释原曲意蕴方面，我认为ex做的非常棒，完胜in。
下面是成绩截图和rep
我是把ex当作单点图去玩的，03:45:790 (3,4,5,6,1) - 像这样的梗都在可预期范围内。但是如果把这里当作移动连打，那这个梗的难度就直接上升到了‘没法玩’、‘纯看运气’的程度了。
以上就是我的感受
PS：有些东西放到以后或许大家都会接受，没有必要因为现在被否定而放弃麻婆的道路~加油w
下面是成绩截图和rep
我是把ex当作单点图去玩的，03:45:790 (3,4,5,6,1) - 像这样的梗都在可预期范围内。但是如果把这里当作移动连打，那这个梗的难度就直接上升到了‘没法玩’、‘纯看运气’的程度了。
以上就是我的感受
PS：有些东西放到以后或许大家都会接受，没有必要因为现在被否定而放弃麻婆的道路~加油w
rechecked and bubbled
我只能帮你到这了
我只能帮你到这了
Awaken wrote:
wcx19911123 wrote:
我只能帮你到这了
the map is really cool but the additive mapping doesn't really fit sometimes ._. 02:47:006 (1,2,3,4) - this is just too much 
wow, great map
I've noticed 1 little technical issue.
Your tick sound lands late by ~15ms and this is can be clearly heard.
audacity confirms
soft-hitclap.wav
also we have rule: Every .wav file must be at least 100ms long
good luck with rank (:
I've noticed 1 little technical issue.
Your tick sound lands late by ~15ms and this is can be clearly heard.
audacity confirms
soft-hitclap.wav
also we have rule: Every .wav file must be at least 100ms long
good luck with rank (:
Topic Starter
Playing wrote:
在诠释原曲意蕴方面，我认为ex做的非常棒，完胜in。
下面是成绩截图和rep
我是把ex当作单点图去玩的，03:45:790 (3,4,5,6,1) - 像这样的梗都在可预期范围内。但是如果把这里当作移动连打，那这个梗的难度就直接上升到了‘没法玩’、‘纯看运气’的程度了。
以上就是我的感受
PS：有些东西放到以后或许大家都会接受，没有必要因为现在被否定而放弃麻婆的道路~加油w 多谢playing大大啦！还特意到这来发那么多OVQQQ
wcx19911123 wrote:
rechecked and bubbled
我只能帮你到这了 多谢长喜大大！！ OVQ
Awaken wrote:
wcx19911123 wrote:
我只能帮你到这了 咦你怎么会在这OVQ
Zero__wind wrote:
wcx19911123 wrote:
我只能帮你到这了 挖零风，稀客OVQ
Irreversible wrote:
the map is really cool but the additive mapping doesn't really fit sometimes ._. 02:47:006 (1,2,3,4) - this is just too much
i know that and i've give some of patterns like this changed already after some bats' mods, maybe we can regard the version of extra diff as a nearly-finished completed diff on dealing all of these... well, the part u've pointed out is also one of them... thou i think it's ok right now, i'll still consider if it can be changed to fit more when next bat check this. thx irr! for taking care of this map ;w;
Sieg wrote:
wow, great map
I've noticed 1 little technical issue.
Your tick sound lands late by ~15ms and this is can be clearly heard.
audacity confirms
soft-hitclap.wav as for this, i must say that this hitsound is just like what u've heard and see in ur sound-effect softwares. the wave of this is just give a fake impression that those higher part should be the start, thou it's not. so i won't silent the part at the head for keeping the hitsound soft and original.
also we have rule: Every .wav file must be at least 100ms long thx for this tip, i'll edit this file to 100ms long and update it next time. and thx for reminding this sieg! ;w;
good luck with rank (: ok www
have no idea why bubbled this. the Extra and Insane diff were really overmapped on beat with ignore song.
it seems like something specific favoritism for particular mappers.
it seems like something specific favoritism for particular mappers.
Well I think that this map deserves a rank bcz it shows us another reasonable and cool way to map a song. By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders, the map shows the music perfectly. And also it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player, that means people will enjoy both the map and the music in an active way.Dark Fang wrote:
have no idea why bubbled this. the Extra and Insane diff were really overmapped on beat with ignore song.
it seems like something specific favoritism for particular mappers.
Always following the music without adding the mapper's own ideas towards the music will be frustrated and tasteless, isn't it?
So I think that the map is not so-called "overmapped"
then compose the song instead hitsounding.384059043 wrote:
By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders, the map shows the music perfectly.
Beatmaps have to based on their original songs. but that part of the map is irrelevant to the song srsly.
You said, then you should know what's 'overmapping' now. Because you said384059043 wrote:
way to map a song. By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders
Still we both mappers and players can enjoy by creating sounds/playing with the created sounds when it's pending.384059043 wrote:
And also it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player
No offense. just playing with the nonsense
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I should have a heavy metal drummer drum for 50 bpm song next time and make it 200 bpm
It would fit so well because
mapping isn't enough of ideas?
I should have a heavy metal drummer drum for 50 bpm song next time and make it 200 bpm
It would fit so well because
and384059043 wrote:
it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player, that means people will enjoy both the map and the music in an active way.
384059043 wrote:
By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders, the map shows the music perfectly.
I think someone is mind fucked384059043 wrote:
So I think that the map is not so-called "overmapped"
adding the mapper's own ideas?384059043 wrote:
Always following the music without adding the mapper's own ideas towards the music will be frustrated and tasteless, isn't it?
mapping isn't enough of ideas?
Oh, confirmed. Now, there's no such things as overmapping \o/ there's now.... ADDITIVE MAPPING.Irreversible wrote:
the map is really cool but the additive mapping doesn't really fit sometimes ._. 02:47:006 (1,2,3,4) - this is just too much
Well.... I like the hitsounds.... :/
But it's just really sad to see my favorite song mapped this way. It shouldn't be like this.
And No Dap couldn't have explained things any better. Well said.
well i have no comments for this but it's not really unrankable i don't think since this one got ranked;
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/37716
all the drums and stuff were added via hitsounds
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/37716
all the drums and stuff were added via hitsounds
Well why you guys are so serious? That's just different attitude towards mapping lol
Just took a quick glance at the Extra since it's causing a stir.
You can't silence the ends of sliders like that. Looking at the custom drum-hitnormal.wav
So much new combo spam all over the map... That breaks the HP drain ya know. It also doesn't fit with the song at all and is geared more towards the patterns which is the worst way to utilize new combos.
As for the overmapping, I find some of it okay, but a large majority to be pretty bad against the song. Most of the ones that just sound really bad are the extra whistles everywhere. They put an emphasis on the wrong parts of the stanza and leaves the listener in an unbalanced state.
The speed changes looked pretty unreasonable too. Get tick rate 2 in here if you want to pull that kind of stuff off, though I don't recommend it for this song.
You can't silence the ends of sliders like that. Looking at the custom drum-hitnormal.wav
So much new combo spam all over the map... That breaks the HP drain ya know. It also doesn't fit with the song at all and is geared more towards the patterns which is the worst way to utilize new combos.
As for the overmapping, I find some of it okay, but a large majority to be pretty bad against the song. Most of the ones that just sound really bad are the extra whistles everywhere. They put an emphasis on the wrong parts of the stanza and leaves the listener in an unbalanced state.
The speed changes looked pretty unreasonable too. Get tick rate 2 in here if you want to pull that kind of stuff off, though I don't recommend it for this song.
Topic Starter
i've been thinking about how to reply u guys for a long time, and here's this:
well, this map's song, what do u feel from it? not my map's type? and it may not the type in your mind to me as well
then i set stuffs in that way, that's all. as for what purpose i did this, i can only say it's the way i express the music.
to irre: hmm????? uh... i don't see any wrong here... 0.0
to Garven: hmm, just say that silence end is ok, additive stuff r set in same way and i set all nc, ds and sv in logic of the music itself. maybe there're some of them need to be checked, i'll waiting for next bat's mod. as for tick 2... i'll consider that after testing a bit if possible.
well, this map's song, what do u feel from it? not my map's type? and it may not the type in your mind to me as well
then i set stuffs in that way, that's all. as for what purpose i did this, i can only say it's the way i express the music.
to irre: hmm????? uh... i don't see any wrong here... 0.0
to Garven: hmm, just say that silence end is ok, additive stuff r set in same way and i set all nc, ds and sv in logic of the music itself. maybe there're some of them need to be checked, i'll waiting for next bat's mod. as for tick 2... i'll consider that after testing a bit if possible.
[General]
As I said before, you can't have a completely silent sound like you used at the ends of sliders in the hardest difficulty.
I only recommend tick rate 2 for the hardest difficulty if you do change it. This is only because of the weird speed changes. Otherwise, keep it at 1.
The font used in the SB feels kind of unfitting considering the style of song despite the lyrics. It'd be neat if you could find a font that was less scratchy and more solid lines like what you drew in the BG.
Considering how ridiculously unbalanced the difficulty spread is on this mapset, you really should consider adding an Easy.
[Normal]
00:13:763 (3,1) - Don't use consecutive short repeat sliders with different repetitions of repeats in a Normal please.
01:55:925 (1) - This spinner... doesn't really need needed at all. It's not following anything in the song and feels like filler.
03:29:574 (1) - You should simplify the rhythms used here. You don't need to hit every single sound - especially in a Normal.
04:25:925 (1) - I wouldn't have a short repeating slider with an even amount of repeats.
04:35:655 (2) - ^
[Hard]
00:04:439 (3,1) - Spacing
00:48:628 (5) - The end of this is snapped incorrectly.
Sorry, too many distractions yesterday. I'll edit the rest in and let you know. Just want to get this out there now in case someone else is also working on this map set.
Edit:
Continuing on the Hard:
00:56:331 (1) - Missing the finish
01:25:114 (3) - Slider end is unsnapped
01:42:446 (5) - Is this really necessary? This is a Hard, you know.
02:08:087 (1,1) - More unsnapped sliderends. Not going to point anymore out. These don't belong in any map really, but especially not in Hard difficulties.
02:28:662 (4) - Same as 1:42.
There's a lot more. They don't really fit this song at all, nor the pacing of the map.
04:13:155 (2,3,1) - Suddenly the map got a lot harder for no apparent reason. Remember, this is a Hard, not an Insane.
[Insane]
00:03:831 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the way these flow. Most of your patterns up to here follow a pretty distinct curve, but this progression just cuts straight down and breaks what you've set up.
00:08:493 (1) - Please don't do this with new combos. If you must use one to make a pattern readable, your pattern is in question.
00:11:331 (1,2) - This spacing, no please. Not right after having 00:10:520 (2,3) -
00:29:168 (6) - Please no. Snap the end correctly and make the end audible.
There's a lot more incorrectly snapped silent slider ends. Get rid of them. They don't fit the music at all.
01:12:952 (1) - More lone combos with zero correlation towards the music.
01:18:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You really need to figure out what you're doing spacing-wise. This combo is a mess.
01:33:628 (5,6,7,8) - More 1/2 and 1/4 same spacing shenanigans. Please don't. It reads poorly and turns the map into a guessing game instead of something to enjoy.
03:12:547 (1,1,1) - New combo spammmm
03:19:439 (8,9) - It's best if you have the slider after the circle. It plays much more naturally.
Overall, it was kind of fun to play, but completely unfitting for this song. If you had a much more upbeat song that actually could support all these extra rhythms and crazy jumps, I'd give it a big thumbs up. For this song, it really is major overkill.
[Extra]
You're pretty much going to get the same sentiment and mods as from the Insane, only I'd be picking apart a lot of the overmapping. The hitsounds feel placed on incorrect beats, so accents are unbalanced within the stanzas, and it mostly just leaves me wondering what song you originally mapped to before moving the map to this calmer song. Let's get the easier maps fixed up first to give this map a better context.
As I said before, you can't have a completely silent sound like you used at the ends of sliders in the hardest difficulty.
I only recommend tick rate 2 for the hardest difficulty if you do change it. This is only because of the weird speed changes. Otherwise, keep it at 1.
The font used in the SB feels kind of unfitting considering the style of song despite the lyrics. It'd be neat if you could find a font that was less scratchy and more solid lines like what you drew in the BG.
Considering how ridiculously unbalanced the difficulty spread is on this mapset, you really should consider adding an Easy.
[Normal]
00:13:763 (3,1) - Don't use consecutive short repeat sliders with different repetitions of repeats in a Normal please.
01:55:925 (1) - This spinner... doesn't really need needed at all. It's not following anything in the song and feels like filler.
03:29:574 (1) - You should simplify the rhythms used here. You don't need to hit every single sound - especially in a Normal.
04:25:925 (1) - I wouldn't have a short repeating slider with an even amount of repeats.
04:35:655 (2) - ^
[Hard]
00:04:439 (3,1) - Spacing
00:48:628 (5) - The end of this is snapped incorrectly.
Sorry, too many distractions yesterday. I'll edit the rest in and let you know. Just want to get this out there now in case someone else is also working on this map set.
Edit:
Continuing on the Hard:
00:56:331 (1) - Missing the finish
01:25:114 (3) - Slider end is unsnapped
01:42:446 (5) - Is this really necessary? This is a Hard, you know.
02:08:087 (1,1) - More unsnapped sliderends. Not going to point anymore out. These don't belong in any map really, but especially not in Hard difficulties.
02:28:662 (4) - Same as 1:42.
There's a lot more. They don't really fit this song at all, nor the pacing of the map.
04:13:155 (2,3,1) - Suddenly the map got a lot harder for no apparent reason. Remember, this is a Hard, not an Insane.
[Insane]
00:03:831 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the way these flow. Most of your patterns up to here follow a pretty distinct curve, but this progression just cuts straight down and breaks what you've set up.
00:08:493 (1) - Please don't do this with new combos. If you must use one to make a pattern readable, your pattern is in question.
00:11:331 (1,2) - This spacing, no please. Not right after having 00:10:520 (2,3) -
00:29:168 (6) - Please no. Snap the end correctly and make the end audible.
There's a lot more incorrectly snapped silent slider ends. Get rid of them. They don't fit the music at all.
01:12:952 (1) - More lone combos with zero correlation towards the music.
01:18:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You really need to figure out what you're doing spacing-wise. This combo is a mess.
01:33:628 (5,6,7,8) - More 1/2 and 1/4 same spacing shenanigans. Please don't. It reads poorly and turns the map into a guessing game instead of something to enjoy.
03:12:547 (1,1,1) - New combo spammmm
03:19:439 (8,9) - It's best if you have the slider after the circle. It plays much more naturally.
Overall, it was kind of fun to play, but completely unfitting for this song. If you had a much more upbeat song that actually could support all these extra rhythms and crazy jumps, I'd give it a big thumbs up. For this song, it really is major overkill.
[Extra]
You're pretty much going to get the same sentiment and mods as from the Insane, only I'd be picking apart a lot of the overmapping. The hitsounds feel placed on incorrect beats, so accents are unbalanced within the stanzas, and it mostly just leaves me wondering what song you originally mapped to before moving the map to this calmer song. Let's get the easier maps fixed up first to give this map a better context.
Topic Starter
sry for late reply, i also got some other thing to do yesterday, and i check mod in a really low speed, so i check them today now orzzz. hope it's not that offense to u ;w;
thx for modding! ;w;Garven wrote:
[General]
As I said before, you can't have a completely silent sound like you used at the ends of sliders in the hardest difficulty. why... i think silent end is fine coz so many ranked maps do that as well 0.0
I only recommend tick rate 2 for the hardest difficulty if you do change it. This is only because of the weird speed changes. Otherwise, keep it at 1. i wanna keep it at 1
The font used in the SB feels kind of unfitting considering the style of song despite the lyrics. It'd be neat if you could find a font that was less scratchy and more solid lines like what you drew in the BG. if u have watched this anime u'll find this is really a horrible anime rather than beautiful one like the song express, i use this font for express the lyrics' meaning in darkness and fear
Considering how ridiculously unbalanced the difficulty spread is on this mapset, you really should consider adding an Easy. the normal is really easy enough to all players... ;w;
[Normal]
00:13:763 (3,1) - Don't use consecutive short repeat sliders with different repetitions of repeats in a Normal please. changed rhythm
01:55:925 (1) - This spinner... doesn't really need needed at all. It's not following anything in the song and feels like filler. hmm, the song told me set spinner here... just feeling
03:29:574 (1) - You should simplify the rhythms used here. You don't need to hit every single sound - especially in a Normal. simplified rhythm with all patterns like these
04:25:925 (1) - I wouldn't have a short repeating slider with an even amount of repeats. changed
04:35:655 (2) - ^ changed
[Hard]
00:04:439 (3,1) - Spacing fixed
00:48:628 (5) - The end of this is snapped incorrectly. uhh? it's just a 3/4 slider here...
Sorry, too many distractions yesterday. I'll edit the rest in and let you know. Just want to get this out there now in case someone else is also working on this map set. orzzz, sry for i didn't catch this mod at that time ;w;
Edit:
Continuing on the Hard:
00:56:331 (1) - Missing the finish no finish hs here indeed, i set hs in a way of system, really
01:25:114 (3) - Slider end is unsnapped well, here seems the 1/2 one is better, changed
01:42:446 (5) - Is this really necessary? This is a Hard, you know. yeah, and in that arousing part, the stream here's good and also still easy to play imo 0.0
02:08:087 (1,1) - More unsnapped sliderends. Not going to point anymore out. These don't belong in any map really, but especially not in Hard difficulties.
02:28:662 (4) - Same as 1:42. ^
There's a lot more. They don't really fit this song at all, nor the pacing of the map.
04:13:155 (2,3,1) - Suddenly the map got a lot harder for no apparent reason. Remember, this is a Hard, not an Insane. uhh... as a hard diff, this is really easy enough...
[Insane]
00:03:831 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the way these flow. Most of your patterns up to here follow a pretty distinct curve, but this progression just cuts straight down and breaks what you've set up. uhh... patterns like this r also set in ranked maps very much... plays still good thou 0.0
00:08:493 (1) - Please don't do this with new combos. If you must use one to make a pattern readable, your pattern is in question. uhhh??? this is just a pattern imo... u can see lots of patterns like this in ranked maps as well
00:11:331 (1,2) - This spacing, no please. Not right after having 00:10:520 (2,3) - but it's really fun to play and still not that hard to read lol
00:29:168 (6) - Please no. Snap the end correctly and make the end audible. why...
There's a lot more incorrectly snapped silent slider ends. Get rid of them. They don't fit the music at all. they r really fit the song imo
01:12:952 (1) - More lone combos with zero correlation towards the music. just sv changing here
01:18:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You really need to figure out what you're doing spacing-wise. This combo is a mess. i see nothing wrong thou...;w;
01:33:628 (5,6,7,8) - More 1/2 and 1/4 same spacing shenanigans. Please don't. It reads poorly and turns the map into a guessing game instead of something to enjoy. i really think patterns like this r not that questionable for it's really easy to read and play...
03:12:547 (1,1,1) - New combo spammmm changed
03:19:439 (8,9) - It's best if you have the slider after the circle. It plays much more naturally. i think this is another kind of pattern
Overall, it was kind of fun to play, but completely unfitting for this song. If you had a much more upbeat song that actually could support all these extra rhythms and crazy jumps, I'd give it a big thumbs up. For this song, it really is major overkill. it fits the song imo... not an excellent map but express the song indeed
[Extra]
You're pretty much going to get the same sentiment and mods as from the Insane, only I'd be picking apart a lot of the overmapping. The hitsounds feel placed on incorrect beats, so accents are unbalanced within the stanzas, and it mostly just leaves me wondering what song you originally mapped to before moving the map to this calmer song. Let's get the easier maps fixed up first to give this map a better context. idk what to say... i think this diff is the best of all these four to express this song...
almost fixed all 3/4 sliders in my part
but I think 02:28:662 (4) - is fine, it can emphasize the music and be a sign leading to kiai time.
Thanks!
but I think 02:28:662 (4) - is fine, it can emphasize the music and be a sign leading to kiai time.
Thanks!
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259,89,257006,2,0,P|286:65|322:57,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
354,79,257310,1,2,0:0:0:0:
354,79,257412,2,0,L|311:155,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
390,229,257817,2,0,P|386:266|357:298,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
328,309,258121,1,2,0:0:0:0:
328,309,258223,6,0,L|235:300,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,302,258628,2,0,P|136:310|102:334,2,70,8|2|8,0:0|0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
216,228,259236,1,2,0:1:0:0:
131,201,259439,2,0,P|96:199|43:213,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
32,176,259743,1,2,0:0:0:0:
32,176,259844,2,0,P|70:136|143:113,1,105,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
158,119,260250,2,0,L|247:137,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
244,171,260554,1,2,0:0:0:0:
244,171,260655,6,0,L|333:189,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
371,246,261060,2,0,P|391:273|391:317,2,70,8|2|8,0:0|0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,162,261668,1,2,0:1:0:0:
366,79,261871,2,0,P|339:53|288:35,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,36,262175,2,0,L|214:35,1,35,2|4,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
148,45,262479,1,8,0:3:0:0:
133,124,262682,2,0,P|167:125|198:109,1,70,4|2,0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
239,120,262986,1,2,0:0:0:0:
239,120,263087,6,0,P|297:164|319:246,1,140,4|8,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
206,310,263696,2,0,P|147:265|126:184,1,140,2|2,0:3|0:1,0:0:0:0:
54,157,264304,2,0,L|33:229,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
42,246,264608,1,2,0:0:0:0:
50,265,264709,1,2,0:1:0:0:
206,310,265114,2,0,P|242:292|279:257,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
266,231,265418,1,2,0:0:0:0:
266,231,265520,6,0,P|239:202|235:153,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
277,87,265925,2,0,P|315:78|360:99,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
394,171,266331,2,0,P|382:208|341:236,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:1,0:0:0:0:
266,231,266736,2,0,P|239:202|235:153,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
248,156,267040,1,2,0:0:0:0:
269,147,267141,1,2,0:1:0:0:
351,104,267344,1,2,0:0:0:0:
441,121,267548,2,0,P|421:150|394:171,1,70,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
266,231,267952,6,0,P|201:204|157:142,1,140,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
246,37,268560,2,0,P|311:64|354:125,1,140,2|2,0:3|0:1,0:0:0:0:
363,215,269169,2,0,P|360:256|347:286,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,299,269473,1,2,0:0:0:0:
318,310,269574,1,2,0:1:0:0:
149,319,269979,2,0,P|151:278|171:238,1,70,2|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
204,253,270283,1,2,0:0:0:0:
203,252,270385,6,0,P|238:255|272:245,1,70,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
343,186,270790,2,0,P|362:156|368:91,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
279,86,271196,2,0,P|259:115|253:180,1,70,8|2,0:0|0:1,0:0:0:0:
272,246,271601,2,0,P|287:277|341:315,1,70,8|2,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
331,314,271905,1,2,0:0:0:0:
352,320,272006,1,8,0:3:0:0:
435,308,272209,1,10,0:3:0:0:
374,248,272412,2,0,P|323:238|272:246,1,105,4|0,0:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
233,264,272817,6,0,L|203:313,1,52.5000020027161,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
129,329,273223,1,0,0:0:0:0:
57,297,273425,1,2,0:0:0:0:
29,141,273831,1,0,0:0:0:0:
59,68,274033,1,0,0:0:0:0:
133,94,274236,1,8,0:0:0:0:
102,167,274439,2,0,P|169:166|203:127,1,105.000004005432
296,9,275250,5,0,0:0:0:0:
448,46,275655,2,0,L|466:117,1,52.5000020027161,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
403,150,276060,2,0,L|421:221,1,52.5000020027161,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
386,274,276466,1,0,0:0:0:0:
459,300,276668,1,8,0:0:0:0:
489,227,276871,1,0,0:0:0:0:
313,304,277277,1,0,0:0:0:0:
239,275,277479,1,0,0:0:0:0:
220,264,277581,1,2,0:0:0:0:
201,253,277682,6,0,P|146:245|95:279,1,105.000004005432
162,320,278290,1,0,0:0:0:0:
243,363,278493,1,0,0:0:0:0:
313,304,278696,1,2,0:0:0:0:
341,217,278898,2,0,L|325:149,1,52.5000020027161,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,120,279304,2,0,L|249:172,1,52.5000020027161
308,72,279709,1,8,0:0:0:0:
145,150,280114,6,0,L|119:257,2,105.000004005432,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
156,67,281331,2,0,P|256:39|356:67,1,210.000008010865,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
367,150,282547,6,0,L|393:257,2,105.000004005432,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
304,218,283763,2,0,P|256:238|208:218,2,105.000004005432,0|2|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,148,284878,6,0,L|256:112,2,26.2500010013581
256,319,286297,2,0,L|256:344,3,17.500000667572
256,192,289844,12,0,297141,3:0:0:0:
We've had several IRC modding sessions to follow up on the mapset.
All difficulties except for the Extra are pretty much set and I am happy with them. Extra is pushing the overmapping way too far and is completely disingenuous to the song it's supposed to represent. No compelling reasons were presented to justify the overmapping, so I offered to move this set forward without Extra in the set, but Hollow Wings does not wish to do so.
I don't really see this set going anywhere with the Extra still attached, sorry.
All difficulties except for the Extra are pretty much set and I am happy with them. Extra is pushing the overmapping way too far and is completely disingenuous to the song it's supposed to represent. No compelling reasons were presented to justify the overmapping, so I offered to move this set forward without Extra in the set, but Hollow Wings does not wish to do so.
I don't really see this set going anywhere with the Extra still attached, sorry.
hello~ time to check the rhythm first!
[Extra]
00:02:665 (1) - Is that unsnapped? I doubt that it's 1/16
please recheck all stuff that follows the piano in the begin, sometimes it has a quite odd snapping..
00:47:817 - To avoid having a too spammed rhythm here, can you try this? http://puu.sh/aDbSb.png It follows the vocals nicely~
00:50:655 (1,1) - remove NC, since they're all in one sentence imo.
00:53:087 (1,1) - too
01:00:384 (2) - If you want to use more rhythm, you have the best chance here - you can use more beats here if you want!
01:09:709 - This part has an odd rhythm too. While I think it works, my suggestion would only contain overmap too... maybe you can think of something else?
01:25:824 (2) - remove nc
01:59:979 (2) - remove nc
02:00:790 (4) - add nc
02:18:223 (2,3) - remove nc
02:20:656 (1,1) - remove nc
02:26:331 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - While the Ncing looks fancy, it doesn't really make sense, does it? I think it's readable without the spam. Please rearrange the Nc.
03:38:391 (1) - remove nc
03:39:000 - I don't understand this rhythm, I guess you could just follow the vocals with the slider before, right?
04:01:601 (1) - remove nc
04:05:959 (1) - remove NC
04:06:060 (2) - add nc
04:06:466 (1) - remove nc
04:19:236 (3,4,1) - REALLY weird 1/4 jump, please just make it regular
04:20:553 (3,1) - same, i guess this will just cause frustration instead of something else
About rhythm: Most of it is really better now, try to fix the rhythms above and we're on a good way.
About NC: Fix the ones above, please, I guess you sometimes make it quite wrong. Why would you add a NC on a blue tick? Remember: Use it on a new sentence, or a new downbeat (White tick).
About placing: It's okay mostly, I don't want to say too much to that, it seems fun to me.
Will mod the rest after applying.
[Extra]
00:02:665 (1) - Is that unsnapped? I doubt that it's 1/16
please recheck all stuff that follows the piano in the begin, sometimes it has a quite odd snapping..
00:47:817 - To avoid having a too spammed rhythm here, can you try this? http://puu.sh/aDbSb.png It follows the vocals nicely~
00:50:655 (1,1) - remove NC, since they're all in one sentence imo.
00:53:087 (1,1) - too
01:00:384 (2) - If you want to use more rhythm, you have the best chance here - you can use more beats here if you want!
01:09:709 - This part has an odd rhythm too. While I think it works, my suggestion would only contain overmap too... maybe you can think of something else?
01:25:824 (2) - remove nc
01:59:979 (2) - remove nc
02:00:790 (4) - add nc
02:18:223 (2,3) - remove nc
02:20:656 (1,1) - remove nc
02:26:331 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - While the Ncing looks fancy, it doesn't really make sense, does it? I think it's readable without the spam. Please rearrange the Nc.
03:38:391 (1) - remove nc
03:39:000 - I don't understand this rhythm, I guess you could just follow the vocals with the slider before, right?
04:01:601 (1) - remove nc
04:05:959 (1) - remove NC
04:06:060 (2) - add nc
04:06:466 (1) - remove nc
04:19:236 (3,4,1) - REALLY weird 1/4 jump, please just make it regular
04:20:553 (3,1) - same, i guess this will just cause frustration instead of something else
About rhythm: Most of it is really better now, try to fix the rhythms above and we're on a good way.
About NC: Fix the ones above, please, I guess you sometimes make it quite wrong. Why would you add a NC on a blue tick? Remember: Use it on a new sentence, or a new downbeat (White tick).
About placing: It's okay mostly, I don't want to say too much to that, it seems fun to me.
Will mod the rest after applying.
Topic Starter
thx for modding irre!!Irreversible wrote:
hello~ time to check the rhythm first!
[Extra]
00:02:665 (1) - Is that unsnapped? I doubt that it's 1/16 right, changed
please recheck all stuff that follows the piano in the begin, sometimes it has a quite odd snapping.. coz the song itself plays like that odd orz fixed some and i think they r fine now
00:47:817 - To avoid having a too spammed rhythm here, can you try this? http://puu.sh/aDbSb.png It follows the vocals nicely~ tried and i think it's cool, changed
00:50:655 (1,1) - remove NC, since they're all in one sentence imo. my bad, fixed
00:53:087 (1,1) - too ^
01:00:384 (2) - If you want to use more rhythm, you have the best chance here - you can use more beats here if you want! lol, here i think follow the drum is good enough www
01:09:709 - This part has an odd rhythm too. While I think it works, my suggestion would only contain overmap too... maybe you can think of something else? uhh... this is some kind of odd to some people maybe, but it plays nice. well idk if this set is the best choice, but i just keep it now 0.0
01:25:824 (2) - remove nc fixed, and 01:27:040 (1) - as well
01:59:979 (2) - remove nc oh, here's an sv changing before this nc, maybe keep it is better?
02:00:790 (4) - add nc changed and 01:58:358 (3) - as well
02:18:223 (2,3) - remove nc fixed
02:20:656 (1,1) - remove nc fixed
02:26:331 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - While the Ncing looks fancy, it doesn't really make sense, does it? I think it's readable without the spam. Please rearrange the Nc. it's totally my bad to set this stupid nc stuff, all fixed
03:38:391 (1) - remove nc ok
03:39:000 - I don't understand this rhythm, I guess you could just follow the vocals with the slider before, right? right, changed rhythm here
04:01:601 (1) - remove nc uhh... sv changing here, keep this to help reading the slider?
04:05:959 (1) - remove NC right
04:06:060 (2) - add nc ^
04:06:466 (1) - remove nc sv changing here as well... i think i can larger ds here, it feels better imo
04:19:236 (3,4,1) - REALLY weird 1/4 jump, please just make it regular
04:20:553 (3,1) - same, i guess this will just cause frustration instead of something elsethou i really love this pattern, but seems it really don't work well at this part indeed, so i decide to change this ;w; changed to another pattern
About rhythm: Most of it is really better now, try to fix the rhythms above and we're on a good way. it really took much time to deal with that, yes ;w;
About NC: Fix the ones above, please, I guess you sometimes make it quite wrong. Why would you add a NC on a blue tick? Remember: Use it on a new sentence, or a new downbeat (White tick). my bad to set nc like that, already fixed ;w;
About placing: It's okay mostly, I don't want to say too much to that, it seems fun to me. thx ;w;
Will mod the rest after applying.
Rebubbled~ 
We got rid off some more weird rhythm, and improved some placement, but after all the map is really good as it is now!
Good luck HW~
We got rid off some more weird rhythm, and improved some placement, but after all the map is really good as it is now!
Good luck HW~
Topic Starter
thank u irre! >.<Irreversible wrote:
Rebubbled~
We got rid off some more weird rhythm, and improved some placement, but after all the map is really good as it is now!
Good luck HW~
Hollow Wings wrote:
梶浦由记你就是个挂
so wheres da rank
bank78952
占位恭喜OwO
IRC modded with HW
This map has been bubbled long enough, call me back after you finish your changes!
log
10:34 *Lust pokes
10:44 Hollow Wings: recongraz to be a bat!!
10:45 Lust: thank you >w<
10:45 Hollow Wings: so
10:45 Hollow Wings: can i rank that 1 month long bubbled one lo
10:45 Hollow Wings: l
10:45 Lust: of course, thats why i poked you :P
10:46 Hollow Wings: hmm? u poke me??
10:46 Hollow Wings: oh, maybe i just lagged and can't see ur post ;w;
10:46 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGD1o/f288bc3c8c.jpg QAQ
10:47 Hollow Wings: >.<
10:48 Hollow Wings: i just disconnected to osu serverse
10:49 Hollow Wings: do we need further mod or?
10:49 Hollow Wings: just irc or something?
10:49 Lust: just irc :3
10:49 Hollow Wings: ok w
10:52 Lust: give me a few moments o u o
10:52 Hollow Wings: ok ovo
10:54 *Lust is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/469565 Kalafina - Kimi no Gin no Niwa [Extra]]
10:55 Lust: 00:00:207 (1) - are you sure this is snapped to 1/16? i feel like it can actually end on the white tick
10:55 Hollow Wings: let me see
10:56 Hollow Wings: oh, i can promise this slider is snapped right
10:56 Hollow Wings: if that end is on the white line, there'll be offset, really
10:56 Lust: alright, just making sure
10:57 Hollow Wings: >.<
10:58 Lust: 00:02:690 (1) - here i would think it would make more sense and sound better to the music if you had it start on the blue tick
10:59 Lust: also, being on tick it is now it can be a little surprising to the gameplay
10:59 Hollow Wings: uh...
11:00 Hollow Wings: maybe u can listen to the song with 25% playback rate at this part...
11:00 Hollow Wings: not sure if it's perfect but...
11:00 Hollow Wings: if it starts at blue line, it'll be offset too...
11:01 Hollow Wings: i understand
11:01 Hollow Wings: hmm
11:01 Hollow Wings: alright
11:01 Hollow Wings: i'll just change the rhythm here
11:01 Hollow Wings: i'll give a 1/8 slider start at 00:02:817
11:02 Hollow Wings: do u think it's better in playing and set?
11:02 Lust: hmmm yeah much better, now the strong beat there is accented by a slider start as opposed to a slider end
11:02 Lust: which is a lot more satisfying to play
11:03 Hollow Wings: ok www
11:03 Hollow Wings: oh, i need to fix the same part at insane diff
11:04 Hollow Wings: oh, no same rhythm here, insane just has a note www
11:04 Lust: xDDD
11:07 Hollow Wings: >.<
11:08 Lust: 01:14:978 (5,1) - to avoid any potential unqualifications, i suggest you move 1's repeat to another location because 01:14:978 (5) - 's hitburst covers it for a short while
11:08 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGEj1/ef94ca8e8b.jpg
11:09 Hollow Wings: ok
11:09 Hollow Wings: changed
11:10 Lust: i mean it plays find and players can guess that there is a repeat there and most people do not play with the default skin anyway, but you know how QAT members xD
11:11 Hollow Wings: i see, thou idk if skin's combo "300" overlapped that arrow's unrankble or not...
11:11 Hollow Wings: anyway, i changed this to anohter style
11:12 Lust: 01:20:047 (3,4,5) - this pattern can appear as confusing, because 3 jumps cross screen to 4 and then 5 suddenly changes the direction of the play
11:12 Lust: when jumping, players also may not notice 4's location and go straight to 5
11:13 Hollow Wings: hmm
11:13 Hollow Wings: thou this is somekind of my fav pattern
11:13 Hollow Wings: to pro, they can read 4 before hit 5, truely
11:13 Lust: yeah, it looks really neat although it doesnt play as well as i hoped
11:13 Lust: i am not really concerned about that aspect
11:14 Lust: its the drastic flow change that i worry about
11:14 Hollow Wings: hmm yep
11:15 Hollow Wings: 01:20:249 (4,5) - i'll move this to274,185
11:15 Hollow Wings: together with that location
11:15 Hollow Wings: so players can play this pattern with smaller jump
11:16 Hollow Wings: and see that note clearly
11:16 Hollow Wings: thou that flow is a special or weird flow
11:16 Hollow Wings: but i think it's really good in playing when it's easy to catch
11:16 Hollow Wings: also adjust 01:20:655 (1) - 's position to keep blanket
11:17 Hollow Wings: is that ok to u ovo
11:17 Lust: one second let me test it
11:17 Hollow Wings: ok w
11:19 Lust: 01:20:047 (3) - move this to maybe 487:288 so the play is a little less sharp and more comfortable
11:19 Lust: or a location similar
11:20 Hollow Wings: ok
11:20 Hollow Wings: done
11:20 Hollow Wings: ofc
11:20 Hollow Wings: i'll adjust ds here
11:22 Lust: if you do this, it plays much better
11:22 Hollow Wings: yeah right
11:22 Hollow Wings: i'm just upload my screenshot
11:22 Hollow Wings: (in low speed
11:23 Lust: orz why does chinese people always have hard time uploading photos ;w;
11:23 Lust: whenever irie wants to send me a photo it takes so long ;w;w;w;
11:23 Hollow Wings: http://puu.sh/bGFjv/bde728f8cc.jpg
11:23 Hollow Wings: coz chinese network sucks
11:24 Hollow Wings: and also blocked to lots of sites
11:24 Lust: exactly what i had, perfect
11:24 Lust: yeah i am aware of that orz
11:24 Hollow Wings: like google, facebook or youtube ;w;
11:24 Lust: sites like twitter and youtube
11:24 Hollow Wings: lol ok!
11:24 Hollow Wings: yeah ;w;
11:29 Lust: alright that should be about it for the extra diff
11:29 Hollow Wings: ok! >.<
11:38 Lust: wow i am really impressed by this insane
11:38 Lust: sorry for the late response, i am checking everything at the moment
11:38 Hollow Wings: no problem
11:38 Lust: i think it expresses the song quite wonderfully
11:38 Hollow Wings: i'm appreciate that u can check this w
11:39 Hollow Wings: haha ok
11:39 Lust: some spacings could use some work but overall i think its quite indeed playable and fun to play at that
11:40 Hollow Wings: hmm alright
11:40 Hollow Wings: if those r in ok-level to u www
11:40 Lust: they are perfectly fine to me
11:40 Hollow Wings: ok >.<
11:43 Lust: hmmm there is one part in minakami yuki's part in the hard that i would like to see changed but hes not online zzz
11:43 Hollow Wings: i'll call him right now
11:45 Lust: if you could that would be great
11:45 Lust: its just one suggestion
11:45 Hollow Wings: ok, can i just listen to it in advance?
11:46 Lust: 04:12:141 (1,2,3,1) - here the play is rather sharp, the slider velocity on 04:12:141 (1) - is not quite enough to flow smoothly in to the triplet
11:47 Lust: the result is a pretty awkward play when the majority flows rather well
11:47 Hollow Wings: lol that's just my part orz
11:47 Hollow Wings: i adjust his part to collab mine
11:47 Hollow Wings: those notes
11:47 Hollow Wings: ;w;
11:47 Hollow Wings: i'll fix that
11:47 Lust: alright, that is fine if he doesnt mind
11:48 Hollow Wings: i had his permission to change this now
11:49 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGGSf/f1680eb6d8.jpg something like this could work rather nicely
11:49 Hollow Wings: ok w
11:49 Hollow Wings: that's exactly what i'm doing
11:49 Lust: perfect! :3
11:50 Hollow Wings: done!
11:50 Hollow Wings: i called yuki
11:50 Hollow Wings: he's online now
11:50 Lust: yeah i saw he just came online
11:50 Hollow Wings: >.<
11:52 Lust: 01:54:709 (1) - is this spinner yours or yuki's part?
11:52 Hollow Wings: yuki
11:53 Hollow Wings: delete it?
11:53 Hollow Wings: w
11:53 Lust: i think he should map it out
11:54 Lust: 01:55:925 - atleast starting from here
11:54 Hollow Wings: ok
11:54 Hollow Wings: changed
11:58 Lust: normal looks good
11:58 Lust: update the mapset and let me have a final recheck
11:58 Hollow Wings: ok! >.<
11:59 Hollow Wings: ok!!!
11:59 Hollow Wings: thx a lot!!! >.<
12:00 Lust: ah just in time
12:01 Hollow Wings: done!
12:01 Lust: 8 maps were ranked yesterday, and the timer expired just now
12:01 Hollow Wings: www
12:01 Hollow Wings: oh really? lol
12:01 Hollow Wings: i didn't notice that ;w;
What we fixed:
- Cleared up a confusing rhythm and made it more satisfying to play
- Made plenty of patterns more readable and smoother to play in Extra and Hard
- Improved the flow in certain patterns throughout the diffs
- Moved a repeat that was obscured by a hitburst in the Extra
This map has been bubbled long enough, call me back after you finish your changes!
Topic Starter
thx a lot Lust! we've done lots of fixes and changes to give a better version in this map
yeah i'm ready >.<
yeah i'm ready >.<
Qualified! Another lovely map from a lovely mapper!
O.O
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
gratz HW
Topic Starter
thank to all people who helped to this map
really... really...
now, i don't know, what to do
really... really...
now, i don't know, what to do
恭喜hw!
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
干蛋呢
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
Congratz <3
Congrats.
03:19:844 - I love this map really, but I think you should reconsider this SV change. Its not really nice to play and really hard to follow.
03:19:844 - I love this map really, but I think you should reconsider this SV change. Its not really nice to play and really hard to follow.
Flask wrote:
Awaken wrote:
我草 一场战争不可避免 魔法QAT们正在成群结队的逼近中
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gratz
gratz
wow this insane is I really want you to replace the soft-hitnormal with this http://puu.sh/bGWHq/9ea6aaaa5b.zip please take this into consideration if by any chance this gets unqualified. ;_;
More importantly, I think source is "劇場版 魔法少女まどかマギカ[新編]叛逆の物語" which is romanized into "Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari". (I suggest using the formar as Source, since the romanized one looks terrible. lol)
I really want you to replace the soft-hitnormal with this http://puu.sh/bGWHq/9ea6aaaa5b.zip please take this into consideration if by any chance this gets unqualified. ;_;More importantly, I think source is "劇場版 魔法少女まどかマギカ[新編]叛逆の物語" which is romanized into "Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari". (I suggest using the formar as Source, since the romanized one looks terrible. lol)
Topic Starter
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/131685Melophobia wrote:
wow this insane is
More importantly, I think source is "劇場版 魔法少女まどかマギカ[新編]叛逆の物語" which is romanized into "Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari". (I suggest using the formar as Source, since the romanized one looks terrible. lol)
there's a ranked version of this song
isn't that source acceptable??????
i just use ranked ones...
Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:
Now about suggestions (Insane diff.)
P.S. Regarding the source: it's better to use original (Japanese) spelling, as Melo suggested.
[Extra]
- It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals:
- 00:10:520 (2) -
- 00:21:060 (3,4) -
- 00:23:493 (4,5) -
and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
- 00:10:520 (2) -
- A couple of patterns that are very uncomfortable and unnatural to play:
- 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5) -
- 03:45:384 (5,6,7,8,9,10) -
- 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Now about suggestions (Insane diff.)
- Insane has very inconsistent spacing and spacing changes that don't look logical at all, except the parts with vocal, maybe. They probably follow the song or attempt to do so, but in such manner that the whole map consists of random and hardly predictable speedups and slowdowns. I'd even consider things like 04:27:547 (1) as spacing errors if they didn't have new combo.
- It is suggested to use CS 4.5 and OD 6.5 on Insane to make a better spread; having Extra with CS lower than on Insane looks like Extra's CS was set up that way solely to make it more playable and to justify high SV and rapid jumps.
- You got at least one slider following vocals in an incorrect way: 01:19:946 (6) should be starting from the white tick before it.
P.S. Regarding the source: it's better to use original (Japanese) spelling, as Melo suggested.
Topic Starter
thx for modding! and updated nowTicClick wrote:
Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:[Extra][Insane]
- It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals: they r not forced and needless to use, if turn those extended sliders into 1/2 ones, still can't express long consecutive vocal melody. use 3/4 ones can do that better than 1/2 ones. and also it's not a rare example to set rhythms like this, u can find sets which exactly the same ones in lots of lots of ranked maps nowadays.
- 00:10:520 (2) -
- 00:21:060 (3,4) -
- 00:23:493 (4,5) -
and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
- A couple of patterns that are very uncomfortable and unnatural to play:
- 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5) - thou i can't find issue here, i still reversed slider 1
- 03:45:384 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - changed 8,9,10's order into 9,10,8 with better flow and phasis jump to 1 behind
Now about suggestions (Insane diff.)The rest of the set (Hard, Normal) is surprisingly good. Also note this mapset will be handled by BAT from now on, but you are encouraged to collect some mods first, given the fact that Insane requires.. uh, more attention. hmm, does 32 bats' mods already enough?
- Insane has very inconsistent spacing and spacing changes that don't look logical at all, except the parts with vocal, maybe. They probably follow the song or attempt to do so, but in such manner that the whole map consists of random and hardly predictable speedups and slowdowns. I'd even consider things like 04:27:547 (1) as spacing errors if they didn't have new combo. that's also a kind of pattern used in so much ranked maps nowadays, some kind of ds or sv or rhythm shifting noticed by nc
- It is suggested to use CS 4.5 and OD 6.5 on Insane to make a better spread; having Extra with CS lower than on Insane looks like Extra's CS was set up that way solely to make it more playable and to justify high SV and rapid jumps. changed
- You got at least one slider following vocals in an incorrect way: 01:19:946 (6) should be starting from the white tick before it. changed rhythm here into 2 notes
P.S. Regarding the source: it's better to use original (Japanese) spelling, as Melo suggested. changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be ranked
and rip dear madoka my map, will u be rot in graveyard?
Wait what pause for a secondTicClick wrote:
Hello. Unfortunately, I have to disqualify your map due to the following reasons:
[notice][Extra]
- It has LOTS of overstretched 3/4 sliders that feel forced and needless to use, while most of the sounds and music phrases are plain 1/2, especially the vocals:
- 00:10:520 (2) -
- 00:21:060 (3,4) -
- 00:23:493 (4,5) -
and so on. Note that it goes nearly for all extended sliders.
Extended sliders are unrankable now?
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?m=-1&r=11&g=0&la=0&ra= Unqualify these next please!~
Not liking this new ranking system at all. Seems like QATs only job is to make mappers life more difficult, if they can unqualify any map just because they don't like it. The only problem with this mapset is that its not ranked.
I'd like to add a problem I found when looking through the map:
[Normal]
00:04:033 (2) - I wouldn't use multiple-reverse-sliders in a Normal, especially not in the easiest difficulty. The multiple repeats aren't visible early enough. Try to replace it by two 1/2-sliders and a circle, or simplify the rhythm by using an 1/1-reverse-slider (maybe with a red anchor in the middle, then it has almost the same effect as your current slider has.)
The same applies for the other slider that you used later on.
Good luck with re-ranking this mapset! The Extra is very fun to play, as always!
[Normal]
00:04:033 (2) - I wouldn't use multiple-reverse-sliders in a Normal, especially not in the easiest difficulty. The multiple repeats aren't visible early enough. Try to replace it by two 1/2-sliders and a circle, or simplify the rhythm by using an 1/1-reverse-slider (maybe with a red anchor in the middle, then it has almost the same effect as your current slider has.)
The same applies for the other slider that you used later on.
Good luck with re-ranking this mapset! The Extra is very fun to play, as always!
Topic Starter
thx for modding!Desperate-kun wrote:
I'd like to add a problem I found when looking through the map:
[Normal]
00:04:033 (2) - I wouldn't use multiple-reverse-sliders in a Normal, especially not in the easiest difficulty. The multiple repeats aren't visible early enough. Try to replace it by two 1/2-sliders and a circle, or simplify the rhythm by using an 1/1-reverse-slider (maybe with a red anchor in the middle, then it has almost the same effect as your current slider has.)
The same applies for the other slider that you used later on. yes i agree with u, checked all reversing sliders and fixed all these patterns (sry Desperate-kun i disapointted u again in lower diffs ;w;
Good luck with re-ranking this mapset! The Extra is very fun to play, as always!
Hollowwing maps are one of my favos to play because of the flow the maps have.
This includes the tricky patterns .
I found the Extra very enjoyable to play , in its current state.
By such critics allot of oldschool maps would need a unrank hammer . hell even allot of 2014 maps.
This includes the tricky patterns .
I found the Extra very enjoyable to play , in its current state.
By such critics allot of oldschool maps would need a unrank hammer . hell even allot of 2014 maps.
Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
Unrank over shit rhythms such as
01:04:033 (2) -
01:09:912 (2) -
01:11:939 (1) -
03:24:709 (1,2) -
because these are actually bad
the sliders ending on blue ticks in order to emphasize vocals or violin melodys are NOT.
It's not just about the extended sliders, it's about the abuse of them, I mean, I don't like this "technique" but I don't say you must not use them at all, they could be used, but sparingly, because when you abuse of this, the ones that really could fit gets lost, as they wouldn't be that "unique".
00:10:114 (1,2,3) - 00:14:979 (1,2,3) - uhm, I can see a lot of inconsistencies here, despite the music being similar.
01:05:959 (7) - Also there's this kinda random triples, some of them are really intrusive and doesn't compliment the song at all, if you wanted to emphasize this, a bigger jump would've been better.
01:25:114 (5) - This could be better as a 1/2 slider as you're passing over a stronger beat.
01:26:331 (4) - ^
02:11:736 (1,2) - I find this as a cool alternative when you want to create a hold feeling.
02:31:196 - 02:50:655 - This part is ridiculous, song isn't that dense on beats yet you have a lot of 1/4 stuff.
This is just some of the things I caught on first look, so take this just as my point of view.
Good luck.
00:10:114 (1,2,3) - 00:14:979 (1,2,3) - uhm, I can see a lot of inconsistencies here, despite the music being similar.
01:05:959 (7) - Also there's this kinda random triples, some of them are really intrusive and doesn't compliment the song at all, if you wanted to emphasize this, a bigger jump would've been better.
01:25:114 (5) - This could be better as a 1/2 slider as you're passing over a stronger beat.
01:26:331 (4) - ^
02:11:736 (1,2) - I find this as a cool alternative when you want to create a hold feeling.
02:31:196 - 02:50:655 - This part is ridiculous, song isn't that dense on beats yet you have a lot of 1/4 stuff.
This is just some of the things I caught on first look, so take this just as my point of view.
Good luck.
w0w r3kt
I love how you ignored my suggestion.
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女. 2)"Yuki" is duplicate, remove one of them. 3) Add the romanized source; Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari" into the tags. These pretty much put every metadata in order. Good luck on the way. :3
changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be rankedThings ain't what they used to be, there's a good chance that they have something wrong (Apparently in this case the source was just overlooked though) Keep in mind that you shouldn't refer to ranked maps blindly.
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女. 2)"Yuki" is duplicate, remove one of them. 3) Add the romanized source; Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka*Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari" into the tags. These pretty much put every metadata in order. Good luck on the way. :3
How did you even notice the difference?Melophobia wrote:
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女.
his eyes got swag.xxdeathx wrote:
How did you even notice the difference?Melophobia wrote:
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more.. 1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女.
This makes me giggle when I see people perceive that 3/4 extended slider is being used for emphasizing the vocal where the music doesn't present.Zare wrote:
Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
I looooove this map111111
dont give up ;w;
dont give up ;w;
If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style.
what, this was ranked? how could've I missed it D:
I RECOMMEND TO CHANGE [MINAKAMI YUKI] TO MINAKAMI YUKI IN THE SB THANKS
不明觉厉 只能留名
补个星好了
反震大爷那个什么move that什么图疯狂3/4 spam 怎么没人说什么
反震大爷那个什么move that什么图疯狂3/4 spam 怎么没人说什么
If 3/4 sliders were replaced by 1/2 ones, I won't love this map so much.
唔。。。真是辛苦了
还有抱歉，昨天你那么忙我还一直打扰来着;w;
祝早日搞定
美如画prpr~
唔。。。真是辛苦了
还有抱歉，昨天你那么忙我还一直打扰来着;w;
祝早日搞定
美如画prpr~
Topic Starter
Zare wrote:
i really agree what those said, and that's what exactly why i or other mappers use 3/4 sliders for beats like that. my bad english just can't express this, thx those and Zare for state this point of view clearly ;w;
Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
Unrank over shit rhythms such as
01:04:033 (2) -
01:09:912 (2) -
01:11:939 (1) -
03:24:709 (1,2) -
because these are actually bad
the sliders ending on blue ticks in order to emphasize vocals or violin melodys are NOT. yeah, maybe that should be a note to emphasis the vocal beat at the end, thou idk why people can't accept it while others do it in their maps as well
Frostmourne wrote:
This makes me giggle when I see people perceive that 3/4 extended slider is being used for emphasizing the vocal where the music doesn't present.Zare wrote:
Yeah. Don't unrank over stuff that isn't an issue.
DakeDekaane wrote:
It's not just about the extended sliders, it's about the abuse of them, I mean, I don't like this "technique" but I don't say you must not use them at all, they could be used, but sparingly, because when you abuse of this, the ones that really could fit gets lost, as they wouldn't be that "unique". i know lots of mappers don't agree with that even bats like u, thou i still wanna keep them... ;w;
00:10:114 (1,2,3) - 00:14:979 (1,2,3) - uhm, I can see a lot of inconsistencies here, despite the music being similar. uh... must similiar song's part be set with similiar rhythm? orz
01:05:959 (7) - Also there's this kinda random triples, some of them are really intrusive and doesn't compliment the song at all, if you wanted to emphasize this, a bigger jump would've been better. 01:05:655 (6,7,1) - this pattern is just like 02:33:425 (8,9,1) - as a maybe consistencies thing or trick in this map?
01:25:114 (5) - This could be better as a 1/2 slider as you're passing over a stronger beat. i can agree with this, changed
01:26:331 (4) - ^ changed as well, and arranged 01:26:736 (1,2,3) - 's position to give a better ds setting with testing
02:11:736 (1,2) - I find this as a cool alternative when you want to create a hold feeling. various patterns maybe, people can select by themselves imo w
02:31:196 - 02:50:655 - This part is ridiculous, song isn't that dense on beats yet you have a lot of 1/4 stuff. just same ones as i mentioned
This is just some of the things I caught on first look, so take this just as my point of view. ok. thou actually i know DakeDekaane u hate 1/4 everywhere, still thx if u can accept them even exist
Good luck. >.<
Melophobia wrote:
I love how you ignored my suggestion.changed, thou i got really surprised that ranked map's source can't be rankedThings ain't what they used to be, there's a good chance that they have something wrong (Apparently in this case the source was just overlooked though) Keep in mind that you shouldn't refer to ranked maps blindly.
I would like to bother you with metadata issue a little more..
1) There's Chinese characters in the tags, replace 廢怯少女 with 魔法少女. http://puu.sh/bHyNJ/f2792bc0a6.jpg ←the original title here lol, thou i know it's "魔法" but look at this words! it's really like 廢怯 www. and another thing, "魔法" in japanese is still written as "魔法" in chinese, it's just that odd font to force me change this... if "魔法" is ok as it's true meaning in that title and to the rank system in tags, ofc why not fix this w
2)"Yuki" is duplicate, remove one of them. fixed
3) Add the romanized source; Gekijouban Mahoushoujo Madoka Magica [Shinpen] Hangyaku no Monogatari" into the tags. These pretty much put every metadata in order. fixed
Good luck on the way. :3 apologize to u again thou orz
Minakami Yuki wrote:
I RECOMMEND TO CHANGE [MINAKAMI YUKI] TO MINAKAMI YUKI IN THE SB THANKS
changed, yuki moe~
kamisamaaa wrote:
If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style.
kamisamaaa wrote:
If HW use all 1/2 rhythm instead of 3/4, this map will not be a HW style.
Kodora wrote:
Guu wrote:
If 3/4 sliders were replaced by 1/2 ones, I won't love this map so much.
Help
Normal, Callab Hard
Extra
that's all :3
Normal, Callab Hard
- - fine to me
IRC Mod
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: irc is fine imo?
2014-09-22 02:45 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: ok~
2014-09-22 02:52 koreapenguin: 01:29:371 (6,7) - about this
2014-09-22 02:53 on insane *
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: hmm?
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: yep
2014-09-22 02:54 Hollow Wings: 0.0
2014-09-22 02:54 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 02:56 koreapenguin: how about 01:28:763 (1) - nc here, 01:28:155 (2) - when do play that feel some weird
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: and 01:31:196 (1) - as well right?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: yea right same as
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: 01:38:493 (3) - and 01:40:925 (3) - ?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: it more better when do play
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 02:58 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: changed thou
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) -
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: as song fit
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: that notes get jump is right
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) - move on 02:21:871 (2) - slider head or other place
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: 02:25:925 (4) - same this
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: i think the jump here's fine
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: 02:22:681 (3,4) - u can have same pattern here
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: some kind of ds shifting
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: >.<
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: hum.
2014-09-22 03:03 koreapenguin: 02:22:681 (3) - how about move on 02:23:898 (1) - this slider head
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: lol seems u r serious about that don't u ww
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: alright
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: changed
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: but those slider's positions will be changed as well
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: ya
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: and i have same think with ticclick
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: odd to play?
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: ok changed to another style
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: especially flow
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: 02:42:141 (5,6,7) -
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIdCN/5c30dd0090.jpg how about this
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: 02:42:446 (6,7,8) -
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: you can feel song is gradually strong
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: about vocal
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: D: my bad english sorry
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: i hope your understanding T^T
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: i understand
2014-09-22 03:10 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: give a larger ds here
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: sure
2014-09-22 03:11 koreapenguin: 02:49:034 (3,4) - ._.
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: 02:53:088 (1) - http://puu.sh/bIdYc/c5801d131b.jpg it flow is better and,02:53:088 (1) - as song fit, it must got jump
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: get*
2014-09-22 03:14 Hollow Wings: ok changed
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 03:28:155 (3) - how about keep using DS?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 1.8* ?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: becuz
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: 03:28:155 (3) - i'll just move this to 301,313
2014-09-22 03:17 koreapenguin: :D b
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: i think it's better to u
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: for theirs no special beats here
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: is that ur meaning?
2014-09-22 03:18 koreapenguin: i don't know D:
2014-09-22 03:19 Hollow Wings: lol ok
2014-09-22 03:19 koreapenguin: and you don't must fix them D: it just my opinion D:
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: i don't want breaks your style
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i've reject one of ur mod already lol
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: xD
2014-09-22 03:21 koreapenguin: 03:45:182 (4,5) - got a big jump so 03:45:385 (5) - nc here it would be easier to play
2014-09-22 03:22 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: nc's not necessary here, thou those r big jumps, still easy to read those patterns
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: so it's not that needed to spread patterns with nc imo
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: yap ;3
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIeP5/9bdc1e9892.png how about this :3 ?
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: 03:43:560 (1,2) -
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: changed but in another composing
2014-09-22 03:26 koreapenguin: 03:56:330 (1) - as song's fit place jump is better than close DS
2014-09-22 03:27 koreapenguin: some 04:00:992 (9,1) - like this, hear the song, not matched D:
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: so they play them will be confused
2014-09-22 03:28 Hollow Wings: 03:56:330 (1) - moved to 118,76
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: 04:00:992 (9) - moved to 477,121
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: with these changes it'll be better imo
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: has many jumps map is fun but, hear song's fit and place jumps it more fun :3
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - orz
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: i see
2014-09-22 03:30 koreapenguin: feel so weird you can makes more clearly
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: thou the map's just like this now orz
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - this is just a pattern orz
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: if keep that pattern, 04:06:466 (3,4) -
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: weird flow D;
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: really common one in ranked maps nowadays
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIfB2/8318fb3720.jpg
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: 04:40:520 (2,1) - look so better :3
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: just my think
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: see
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: ohh
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: it's really late here
Extra
- 03:23:493 (1) - Ctrl+G is better, and for next note's flow
- 03:11:331 (4) - New combo here same as Insane
that's all :3
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thx for modding!koreapenguin wrote:
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IRC Mod2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: irc is fine imo?
2014-09-22 02:45 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:45 Hollow Wings: ok~
2014-09-22 02:52 koreapenguin: 01:29:371 (6,7) - about this
2014-09-22 02:53 on insane *
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: hmm?
2014-09-22 02:53 Hollow Wings: yep
2014-09-22 02:54 Hollow Wings: 0.0
2014-09-22 02:54 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 02:56 koreapenguin: how about 01:28:763 (1) - nc here, 01:28:155 (2) - when do play that feel some weird
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: and 01:31:196 (1) - as well right?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: yea right same as
2014-09-22 02:57 Hollow Wings: 01:38:493 (3) - and 01:40:925 (3) - ?
2014-09-22 02:57 koreapenguin: it more better when do play
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 02:58 koreapenguin: yes
2014-09-22 02:58 Hollow Wings: changed thou
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) -
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: as song fit
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: that notes get jump is right
2014-09-22 03:00 koreapenguin: 02:21:465 (1) - move on 02:21:871 (2) - slider head or other place
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: 02:25:925 (4) - same this
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: i think the jump here's fine
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: 02:22:681 (3,4) - u can have same pattern here
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: some kind of ds shifting
2014-09-22 03:02 Hollow Wings: >.<
2014-09-22 03:02 koreapenguin: hum.
2014-09-22 03:03 koreapenguin: 02:22:681 (3) - how about move on 02:23:898 (1) - this slider head
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: lol seems u r serious about that don't u ww
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: alright
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: changed
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:04 Hollow Wings: but those slider's positions will be changed as well
2014-09-22 03:04 koreapenguin: ya
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: and i have same think with ticclick
2014-09-22 03:06 koreapenguin: 02:36:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: odd to play?
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: ok changed to another style
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: especially flow
2014-09-22 03:07 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:07 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: 02:42:141 (5,6,7) -
2014-09-22 03:08 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIdCN/5c30dd0090.jpg how about this
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: 02:42:446 (6,7,8) -
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: you can feel song is gradually strong
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: about vocal
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: D: my bad english sorry
2014-09-22 03:09 koreapenguin: i hope your understanding T^T
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: i understand
2014-09-22 03:10 koreapenguin: :D
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: give a larger ds here
2014-09-22 03:10 Hollow Wings: sure
2014-09-22 03:11 koreapenguin: 02:49:034 (3,4) - ._.
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: 02:53:088 (1) - http://puu.sh/bIdYc/c5801d131b.jpg it flow is better and,02:53:088 (1) - as song fit, it must got jump
2014-09-22 03:13 koreapenguin: get*
2014-09-22 03:14 Hollow Wings: ok changed
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 03:28:155 (3) - how about keep using DS?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: 1.8* ?
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: becuz
2014-09-22 03:16 koreapenguin: hum..
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: 03:28:155 (3) - i'll just move this to 301,313
2014-09-22 03:17 koreapenguin: :D b
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: i think it's better to u
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: for theirs no special beats here
2014-09-22 03:17 Hollow Wings: is that ur meaning?
2014-09-22 03:18 koreapenguin: i don't know D:
2014-09-22 03:19 Hollow Wings: lol ok
2014-09-22 03:19 koreapenguin: and you don't must fix them D: it just my opinion D:
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: i don't want breaks your style
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i know
2014-09-22 03:20 Hollow Wings: i've reject one of ur mod already lol
2014-09-22 03:20 koreapenguin: xD
2014-09-22 03:21 koreapenguin: 03:45:182 (4,5) - got a big jump so 03:45:385 (5) - nc here it would be easier to play
2014-09-22 03:22 Hollow Wings: oh
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: nc's not necessary here, thou those r big jumps, still easy to read those patterns
2014-09-22 03:23 Hollow Wings: so it's not that needed to spread patterns with nc imo
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: yap ;3
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIeP5/9bdc1e9892.png how about this :3 ?
2014-09-22 03:23 koreapenguin: 03:43:560 (1,2) -
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:24 Hollow Wings: changed but in another composing
2014-09-22 03:26 koreapenguin: 03:56:330 (1) - as song's fit place jump is better than close DS
2014-09-22 03:27 koreapenguin: some 04:00:992 (9,1) - like this, hear the song, not matched D:
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: so they play them will be confused
2014-09-22 03:28 Hollow Wings: 03:56:330 (1) - moved to 118,76
2014-09-22 03:28 koreapenguin: :3
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: 04:00:992 (9) - moved to 477,121
2014-09-22 03:29 Hollow Wings: with these changes it'll be better imo
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: has many jumps map is fun but, hear song's fit and place jumps it more fun :3
2014-09-22 03:29 koreapenguin: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - orz
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: i see
2014-09-22 03:30 koreapenguin: feel so weird you can makes more clearly
2014-09-22 03:30 Hollow Wings: thou the map's just like this now orz
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: 04:06:060 (1,2,3) - this is just a pattern orz
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: if keep that pattern, 04:06:466 (3,4) -
2014-09-22 03:31 koreapenguin: weird flow D;
2014-09-22 03:31 Hollow Wings: really common one in ranked maps nowadays
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: http://puu.sh/bIfB2/8318fb3720.jpg
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: 04:40:520 (2,1) - look so better :3
2014-09-22 03:33 koreapenguin: just my think
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: see
2014-09-22 03:34 Hollow Wings: ok
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: ohh
2014-09-22 03:35 Hollow Wings: it's really late here
Extra
- 03:23:493 (1) - Ctrl+G is better, and for next note's flow wanna emphasis here with angled flow, so i choose keep it 0.0
- 03:11:331 (4) - New combo here same as Insane for it its a really consistent part in this diff's set, no nc here to show that is better imo 0.0
that's all :3
I'll be sincere. I think we got you like making extremely hard maps. I respect you and your mapping style (even if I don't like it, just personal tastes), but imho this kind of maps shoulnd't even get ranked. How can a quiet song like this be mapped this way?!? It seems like you mapped a 300bpm hardcore song and then replaced the mp3 with this quiet one...
I didn't wanna destroy you anyway, I only wanted to say what I think! Don't take it as offence
I didn't wanna destroy you anyway, I only wanted to say what I think! Don't take it as offence
personally I have the same feeling as Nemis about the ¨Extra diff¨, since this is a calm song, mapping it like a super extreme hard map doesn't make sense to me >:, Is like you mapped another song then you paste the map in this calm song, probably just me.
but osu! is a rhythm game, not a hit objects with background music.HanzeR wrote:
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
^thisHanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
I do agree that some of HW's maps are being difficult for the sake of being difficult, but certainly not this one, as I could actually "feel" this map. It's hard to describe the feeling but it's somewhat like dancing (with the cursors), which I rarely do for many other maps.
Taiko and Mania would always be the better "rhythm" game than standard, as they are the modes with more keys and thus more rhythmic variety. Standard mode, however, provides each beat with additional information, which is the cursor movement, the flow. Mapper use this extra dimension all the time ,through, for instance, changing distance snaps, slider velocities, placing jumps and anti-jumps. Breaking out of the simple distance-snapped placement style is analogous to stop using monotonous 1/2 rhythm.
Similarly, using sliders to frame out complicated cursor movement (like this map does) is nothing different from creating complex custom rhythms. (Yes, about 3/4 sliders with muted slider ends: I always take them as a single note with DIRECTED CURSOR MOVEMENT instead of two notes separated 3/4 apart). I don't see why people happily (maybe not, ugh) the latter but are so paranoid about the former.
Think about this: string instruments (like violin) requires one hand to control the bow, meaning that string players can never play as many notes at the same time as piano players. However, string instruments are, in many ways, much more expressive than the piano, in that through the many ways you could move the bow, you could give the same note very distinct timbres and feelings. Bows are there not only to play the melody loud, but also to add much more variety to the melody. This is analogous to the relationship between osu! standard and modes like osu!mania: whereas using one hand for aiming reduces rhythmic variety, it also grants the same rhythm with much more possible expressions. Flow is there not to DISPLAY the rhythm, but to COMPLEMENT the rhythm and add much more to that.
I'm surprised how people get stuck in the comfort zone of "rhythm game" and refuses to accept the vast amount of possibility and expressiveness that could be provided by flow.
Accept different styles please, there are a lot of people who love this map, by forcing this map to be more conventional, you are making this group of people loving this map less. This is unacceptable.
Well I guess I cannot represent anybody. At least I love this map, to the extent that I would actually bullshit this much in an effort of defending it.
i like the violin analogy
but a song shouldn't be mapped in a way that the rhythm is being altered or "improvised" in any way, shape or form by how the map itself plays out. Where's your appreciation of the original song? And if "additive mapping" is your alibi, or whatever it is, this map doesn't sound like it's being mapped "additively"(?) but more of an improvisation of the song which is personally not really an improvisation but a downgrade. I like the hitsounds, but how the map plays out.... SICKENS me to the stomach.HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
You DO realize that you're saying that to the person that mapped Miss You, right?
Or in other words, these words will be wasted
Or in other words, these words will be wasted
but a song shouldn't be mapped in a way that the rhythm is being altered or "improvised" in any way, shape or form by how the map itself plays out. Where's your appreciation of the original song? And if "additive mapping" is your alibi, or whatever it is, this map doesn't sound like it's being mapped "additively"(?) but more of an improvisation of the song which is not really an improvisation but a downgrade to many others since this is mostly reading "oh when's another 1/8 slider going to pop up" or "hey, when's another triple spaced stream or that other inconsistent spaced notes gonna show up?". I like the hitsounds, but how the map plays out.... SICKENS me to the stomach.[ Madoka ] wrote:
HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
but osu! is a rhythm game, not a hit objects with background music.what
both BELONGS to each other
it's like comparing racing game and a NASCAR game
the guy with the violin analogy, you rock. best respect for yamutual pls
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You DO realize that you're saying that to the person that mapped Miss You, right?
Or in other words, these words will be wasted
I hope you aren't serious with this statement.HanzeR wrote:
Everyone keeps saying this is a calm song lol, its like you guys can't listen and feel the power that the song has and that this map is taking advantage of.
Mapping isn't just putting notes in time with the music, mapping is about feeling, and Hollow Wings is a mapper for your heart.
Mapping should always follow instruments or vocals, otherwise the hitsounds wouldn't make any sense.
When players click, they should always click to something that is following the music, otherwise it's like playing stuff that you don't even expect, since this is a rhythm game, and you should always focus something that is present in the song, not something that mappers make randomly, otherwise the player will never know what the rhythm will be.
This should also be common sense.