With the new graphical update, I feel like a lot of undesirable features were added to the game. After just a few minutes of playing I can name quite a few:

falling "X's" on miss Resolved - thanks peppy!

hit lighting -- when I hit something (without hidden on), the hit feels "empty"Resolved, according to peppy

new slider ticks - these are not useful for reading before hand, the size increasing is very eyecatching and distracting These seem to be mostly fixed now, although there may still be issues on certain maps or AR's, so needs more testing (I still think a toggle to go back to the old way would be the best option, though)

Circle Animation - should have an option to be restored to how it was previously, the circle hit animation doesn't explode quite like before.

I'm sorry, but you should not force these major changes upon all players. A lot of people take this game very seriously and after a long time of playing with the same skin, slight changes greatly decrease my ability to focus. So some toggles should be added to disable certain undesirable "features"

I think it would be very easy to just let all of this stuff be changed within skin.ini itself, so players can choose which method they would like to use: new or old

I think a lot of people can agree

thank you

edit: IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS NOT LISTED HERE, CONTACT ME (THROUGH FORUM PM) AND I WILL LOOK INTO IT

if it is a problem relevant to this thread I will include it in the OP, thank you

Wait, doesn't it already default to old behavior when you have a custom skin?



Unchecking that should make the skin use old behaviour, I think, or are there still changes

There are still changes, the new skin/UI has some inherent behavior changes that cannot be changed by skin cusomization

Silynn wrote:

falling "X's" on miss -- makes me feel like I failed the map (seriously it feels like sudden death is on whenever I miss a note)

not changing this one, sorry.

Silynn wrote:

slider body change -- pls don't do this

you can change this in skin.ini

Silynn wrote:

a lot of skin elements are now outdated due to the update, ruining the hard work of all skinners up to now

no, all old elements work correctly.

Silynn wrote:

hitburst changes -- when I hit something (without hidden on), the hit feels "empty"

use the template skin or another skin. behaviour is as before.

Silynn wrote:

new slider ticks - these are not useful for reading before hand, the size increasing is very eyecatching and distracting

not changing this one, sorry.

Even changing SliderStyle back to 1 in skin.ini still has noticable differences




(these are both the exact same slider)

about skin elements not working, that was my bad, I had a few things not consistent in my skin and it messed the interface up a bit

however I don't understand why you can't let players force old behaviors, I think it is rather pushy to suddenly force these changes on players

The hit burst is definitely different. It's more persistant and less dynamic that before. Misses are really disturbing for playing.
+Support

peppy wrote:

Silynn wrote:

falling "X's" on miss -- makes me feel like I failed the map (seriously it feels like sudden death is on whenever I miss a note)

not changing this one, sorry.

Would it be possible for an option to toggle this?

Any change takes time to get accustomed to this also applies to custom skins as it does changing the default.

falling "X's" on miss -- makes me feel like I failed the map (seriously it feels like sudden death is on whenever I miss a note)

-You should feel like you failed.. You missed! This is the equivalent of telling your teach not to write F grades in red pen because the color feels violent and bad. Well the grade was bad...

a lot of skin elements are now outdated due to the update, ruining the hard work of all skinners up to now

-Only users hard skinwork that went to waste was the special screen where 90% of the time was a pulled wallpaper and cropped artwork that wasn't their own.

RBRat3 wrote:

-You should feel like you failed.. You missed! This is the equivalent of telling your teach not to write F grades in red pen because the color feels violent and bad. Well the grade was bad...

The old way was fine, the new animation is just distracting

RBRat3 wrote:

-Only users hard skinwork that went to waste was the special screen where 90% of the time was a pulled wallpaper and cropped artwork that wasn't their own.

As I said, this was a mistake I made and after changing a couple of things it's fine

I feel like the new slider ticks don't come up in time for faster sliders. or is it just me?
edit: I am wrong p/2185759

My skin feels completely diffrent from last time i played : [
+support

The new skin feels perfectly fine.
So I'd say no.

You'll get used to it, I played the new default skin a lot on the test build before this update so I have no problems with it now.

I have to say, that the hits really feel like I don't get any "feedback", like this popping up...but I played a lot on the testbuild, like theowest (in the post above this) and I'm getting used to it.

oh, support this with all my love

SUPPORT...
I have been failing insane songs that i could play previously
I just don't like this new forced update..

I dislike the appearance of slider ticks since the new update, oh and also the ingame user list when pressing F9.. why is it so bright all of a sudden?

Definitely support all of this. I can't believe this was actually put in the game, especially how the hit circles don't expand when tapped.

Sadly, I have no stars

Give it time to get used to it, don't play it for a few hours then give up. Embrace change, don't just deny it because it is a little different. I for one feel no difference while playing, the only thing that was truly noticeable was the hit-burst doesn't expand and fade as slow, but I got used to that after playing for a bit. Nice skin peppy, I enjoy the new look.

This is just like when the new slider algorithm was forced, no one liked it at first but now no one cares.

But I don't want to get used to something that's objectively worse

It should just be changed back

Plus, you aren't even an osu!standard player, so it's probably easy for you to transition

Kyou-kun wrote:

But I don't want to get used to something that's objectively worse

Opinions.

I am top 1k rank on osu! btw, with a nice amount of playcount. (And I don't farm hards.)

It's not an opinion. It is objectively harder to read sliders or to keep place after missing now.

About the old skin behavoir, the reason the new skin is being used is probably because you are missing elements from your custom skin. The falling misses never happened until I removed the miss.

Kyou-kun wrote:

It's not an opinion. It is objectively harder to read sliders or to keep place after missing now.

Record and show us. This is just something to get used to.

No, I'm not missing any elements from my custom skin. My misses aren't the default and they still fall.

It is meant to fall, get used to it. I had no problems playing insanes with ar8-9.

The difference is that "playing" to you doesn't mean "doing good", unlike with me

Kyou-kun wrote:

The difference is that "playing" to you doesn't mean "doing good", unlike with me

Sorry, but the ignorance in this post is just overwhelming. Just because you can't get used to change doesn't mean it should go back because a few people don't like it. Peppy has stated that it's not being changed back.

Just because peppy says so doesn't mean we can't state our feelings and try to get him to change his mind.

About reading slider speed changes, you shouldn't be required to use visual hints to read them anyways, you should be listening to the song.

I dont find much issue with the new skin other than the fact that the repeats' treshold before turning black is way too small atm and the new spinner sometimes makes me miss notes in the middle of it (tho i've always had trouble with notes on the center of spinners rather than to one of the sides)

About falling misses.... are they even that noticeable? i barely see them and i was trying on purpose to miss, yet i didn't see a thing until i focused really hard.

Sakura wrote:

About reading slider speed changes, you shouldn't be required to use visual hints to read them anyways, you should be listening to the song.

"You shouldn't be playing the game the way every good player has done it since forever, just do it the way Sakura does it!" gr8 idea m8!

I see no reason to be forced to read using an imperfect source (music) and then guessing about how the mapper decided to make his sliders based around it.

Kyou-kun wrote:

especially how the hit circles don't expand when tapped.

I always liked how that gave you a sense of completion. It felt like a hitburst in a way.

Kyou-kun wrote:

then guessing about how the mapper decided to make his sliders based around it.

Guess work shouldn't be required at all tho...

Sakura wrote:

Kyou-kun wrote:

then guessing about how the mapper decided to make his sliders based around it.

Guess work shouldn't be required at all tho...

Which is why we should have visual cues on sliders.

pls give me the old skin back! i cant even play anymore... HOW CAN YOU FORCE BIG CHANGES LIKE THIS!!!

Sakura wrote:

About reading slider speed changes, you shouldn't be required to use visual hints to read them anyways, you should be listening to the song.

Excuse me, slider speed changes depend on how the creator interprets the song in a map.
We need some sort of "visual hint" to see what the creator of a map made at certain spots.
I don't want to "feel" speed-downs.. it will just end up in hitting a slider and then break on it because you moved the cursor too fast.
Speed-downs or speed-ups work wonders on certain songs if used correctly, but you have to be able to tell when they appear.

RBRat3 wrote:

falling "X's" on miss -- makes me feel like I failed the map (seriously it feels like sudden death is on whenever I miss a note)

-You should feel like you failed.. You missed! This is the equivalent of telling your teach not to write F grades in red pen because the color feels violent and bad. Well the grade was bad...

The thing is, when you have a very fast long stream with big spacing, such falling X can be extremely distracting.
Personally I absolutely love the update, however the X is a bit annoying to me and would love at least a toggle to turn the animation off.

Sakura wrote:

Guess work shouldn't be required at all tho..

Yes, that is why you have ticks. Otherwise any slider speed change would be unrankable.

Sakura wrote:

About reading slider speed changes, you shouldn't be required to use visual hints to read them anyways, you should be listening to the song.

I dont find much issue with the new skin other than the fact that the repeats' treshold before turning black is way too small atm and the new spinner sometimes makes me miss notes in the middle of it (tho i've always had trouble with notes on the center of spinners rather than to one of the sides)

About falling misses.... are they even that noticeable? i barely see them and i was trying on purpose to miss, yet i didn't see a thing until i focused really hard.

I have no words for this.

Kyou-kun wrote:

It's not an opinion. It is objectively harder to read sliders or to keep place after missing now.

Considering what I've done with skinning this change is only a drop of water compared to what I've blown out of proportion to what IS worse and still was able to FC a moderately hard song.

Seeing as you have a supporter tag you have the freedom to provide constructive criticism in testing phases which you had every opportunity to take part in. That changelog isn't a transparent sheet of glass it moves everyday which you can readily check and give feedback in test BEFORE it ever makes a step into public and for that I have no sympathy for you or anyone who holds a supporter tag and doesn't use it to their advantage.

At the very least give it the benefit of the doubt by actually playing on it for a week, It's not that much to ask for.

It's like i am on Bioware forum
-this feature is bad and those are my reasons
-stop being so entitled and get used to it

-300, 100, 50 buttons have almost the same colour and I can't tell them apart (I'm a bit colourblind)
-very hard to spot X/fail button
-It's not possible to hit anything after spinner
-Feedback after hitting is gone which makes my life even harder

Menu looks fine but gameplay is terrible.

Anyway, has anyone managed to fix it and restore original skin, even not HD?
I really want to play osu but I find it nearly impossible.

One thing I don't understand is,
why try to fix things that weren't broken?

the old Miss style was GOOD. Why the hell change it?
the old slider tick style was GOOD. Why touch it?
the old scoreboard menu was GOOD. Why change anything? to annoy people?
the old pie was fine. Why put a dot in the middle? you think we're not smart enough to know where the middle is?

The addition of new-style followpoints is good.
Some other changes are good.
The new circle fade upon being-clicked-on is so-so. In some situations it's for the better and in others it's for the worse. Personally, after experimenting with this on different maps all day long, I can't really say I enjoy the new style. I'm indifferent to the playability of this (tried playing a lot with default skin and concluded that it's still sub-par to invisible skins so the moderate improvement is still not enough) and feel-wise the lack of popping of circles when you click on them makes it feel less fun when playing streams.

The problem with this update is that it changed things that did not call for a change. I really don't understand the mentality of not allowing to revert. Every single commercial game that I know has huge option menus that let users heavily customize their play experience with all various features that the game offered across patches, why most osu be different? There is no gain to be had in preventing users from playing with their preferred settings. It's always good to see new additions, but why not let each user pick which additions he is interested in applying and which ones they're not interested in? Why choose the road that pisses off all people to a different extent instead of the road that satisfies everybody?

The best way to please everybody is let users decide what /they/ want. There is a reason that the most popular games these days are sandbox games. It's not any different with UI decisions, and in a game like osu a UI is a big part of gameplay.

What Aqo said +1

This 'may' sound like a toggle-like thing, but why don't apply everything for the new default skin (like just leaving it, as it is right now), so all the new players are seeing that osu! is a fresh and modern game and for the people who don't like all this, adding these new things as options they can choose in the skin.ini for example (or the new skinning menu)...like en/disabling the falling X's (but peppy already declined this before) and every other option that may distract people from playing or even change the feel of playing.

I personally only miss the bumping hitcircles, after hitting them, everything else is fine for me, thought.

RBRat3 wrote:

Considering what I've done with skinning this change is only a drop of water compared to what I've blown out of proportion to what IS worse and still was able to FC a moderately hard song.

Seeing as you have a supporter tag you have the freedom to provide constructive criticism in testing phases which you had every opportunity to take part in. That changelog isn't a transparent sheet of glass it moves everyday which you can readily check and give feedback in test BEFORE it ever makes a step into public and for that I have no sympathy for you or anyone who holds a supporter tag and doesn't use it to their advantage.

If I would log in on osu!test, I'd hardly find anyone around. This is not our problem, it's the game developers, and it is what makes the actual game the real platform for testing out new features. Because of this alone, all new additions that affect gameplay should at least come with a toggle.


Seeing developers who don't even play the game for real, refusing to listen to people who do is extremely frustrating. It makes me lose all faith.

I completely agree with Aqo.

Personally I like all the changes in the skin behaviour ( at first the miss looked weird for me, but as you don't like, it helps you not to fail, because you don't want to see the falling miss) but I think it should be implemented the possibility to change this behaviour in the skin.ini


Something like that:

MissStyle: 1 ( old behaviour)
MissStyle: 2 ( new behaviour)

Someone is always in test, Im in 24/7 and milli is when not passed out the same goes for peppy and a few others... We may not be around or awake but your messages are there. If it is something that is important to you there is a forum that exists USE IT.

This new miss behaviour is actually making it harder to play after missing with the taiko skin in taiko mode: t/123349/

Lance5 wrote:

at first the miss looked weird for me, but as you don't like, it helps you not to fail, because you don't want to see the falling miss

Motivation won't help me miss less when I'm playing a 275bpm map with HR
Readability will

The hitburst change is the one thing that's really good about this update and has been called for, for a long time. Much of the rest is stuff that's... just... why...

Sakura wrote:

About reading slider speed changes, you shouldn't be required to use visual hints to read them anyways, you should be listening to the song.

Hard to predict SV changes if you are listeing to a song the first time.

To be honest, about the new circle fading, I didn't notice any difference at all there, so I guess it is fine? I also got used to the "falling misses" pretty fast. Even the rather annyoing new result screen (you have to scroll down instead of just clicking >_>) might be something we will eventually get used to. The new slider tick behaviour however is something completely different, it makes sightreading impossible.

Also

Aqo wrote:

why try to fix things that weren't broken?

@ RBRat3: I didn't get a supporter tag to get access to the test build, so you cannot call it my duty to check new features there. I didn't pay to do work.

RBRat3 wrote:

Someone is always in test, Im in 24/7 and milli is when not passed out the same goes for peppy and a few others... We may not be around or awake but your messages are there. If it is something that is important to you there is a forum that exists USE IT.

The players should not forced to be testers, sorry. That is not their job. This was forced onto us in live unnecessarily, the least you could do is give players a choice.

RBRat3 wrote:

Someone is always in test, Im in 24/7 and milli is when not passed out the same goes for peppy and a few others... We may not be around or awake but your messages are there. If it its something that is important to you there is a forum that exists USE IT.

I was there for some time to..mostly about 5-7 hours in the last days, also reported some stuff, if there was anything important to mention.

Likely making a new skin or layout perfectly fitting the game without any bugs is hard work, so why do they need to rewind everything? Toggles would be fine, but the title is like "We want back the old one and burry the new one, because it changes our way of playing too much"...sure, not every change is a good one, but osu! needs a new style over the time. Most of the elements that were changed, are from 2007/8, so they were kinda outdated. The only thing (I guess) peppy and RBRat wanted to do, is giving osu! a fresh and modern style and they did it...it really looks neat, especially the new ranking with the map backgrounds is a huge and good change I wanted to see long time before. And with a new style, there coming things that people may dislike, but you'll actually have to be okay with that.

The only thing I have to say about this is: Play a bit around with the skin, or wait until the skin is available as new template and change it then. But respect the hard work behind everything of that, because the graphics and the code behind that weren't made in one sec. It would be nice to see most of these features as toggles for new skins, but completely disabling them would be a shame...